Its obviously a Jake Paul caliber fight, I dont know why they didnt at least drag it out a little to give some show to the customers. Like when it's already a meme why not at least give a little showmanship? 17 seconds. What a joke.
I’m trying to remember the movie scene where a boxing match started, one guy threw an air punch a mile away and the other guy just dropped on cue and ref calls the fight. Seems it might be a Naked Gun scene or something.
Seems rather unsportsmanlike to just create all this PR for something that was over faster than Ben Shapiro’s eyebrow trimming.
Only thing I know about her is she was a sandy hook denier but actually made a very convincing apology after (at least to me). Doesnt mean she is or isn’t republican still.
Just read the apology. Still seems pretty odd to post a video if she "didn't believe it." But yeah she seemed aware of the problem with famous people boosting that sort of thing. And I guess it's pretty difficult to fathom someone murdering a bunch of kids
It is almost as if cutting weight with Ozempic is a bad idea. And Carano was a middling fighter. Hadnt fought in a decade. Whereas Rousey is still an active pro-wrestler. Meaning she kept in shape.
I would not say Rousey is an active pro-wrestler. She made one appearance in March this year at AEW Revolution to support her friend Maria Shafir. But that is it. She retired from the WWE in 2023. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4T80SGbqDM0
That was Ring of Honor. She wrestled Toni Storm in 2026. See man, ya have to look past the AI bit in your Google search. And excuse me "part-time' pro-wrestler. Which is still more active in training Carano.
I forgot she just got in Toni's face or whatever. My point still stands. She is in better shape than Carano. Also, AI overview doesnt say shit about Toni Storm, dipshit.
Also, Rousey's trainer gassed her up too much about her stand up game and told Rhonda that she could stand and bang with a world class kickboxer instead of sticking to her grappling game. Pretty dumb on the trainer's part.
my understanding at the time was that the organizers had told her, and her trainer, that grapple and 17 second takedowns make for a boring show and she needed to be a striker to stay interesting enough to continue to be put on the card. She and her trainer said okay, and then tried to turn a grappler into a striker at which point she got knocked out twice in a row and bailed.
Bullshit. She fell down the card. She lost the rest of her fights but like one. I didn't mean she vanished from the face of the planet. Go look up "pedantic."
She wasn't some unstoppable beast. She studied how to beat Rousey and did it. But sure, I have a "narrative."
haha no... no way. Even when they were quasi-relevant to current events they weren't worth knowing about. This is baby step 1138 towards the eventual Running Man dystopia in our future.
100% a money play. Neither in shape for a real bout, and both more than a decade out of the ring. If you paid to watch this, you are a big part of the problem
I watched all these fights and I was entertained. Sometimes even mediocre fights are good. Watching Rhonda break out that arm bar again was kind of cool
The arena was empty, they didnt even bother to take a slghltly smaller arena, 20 min wait between each fight 2 lasted around 2 min and another one 5 min. so 2 hours for 15 min of fight max.
I wonder if getting beat made her feel like a Holocaust victim? To think she had a big fan base as an actor and she gave it up to service the pedophile she worships.
It was nice seeing a badass, buff woman, but her line delivery has always been wooden (which is why she did so well in Deadpool—just physicality, few lines).
Gina had been out of competition for 17 years. Nothing, no training, no fighting, just OUT. Rhonda had been playing around with wrestling so at least was in semi-competitive shape. THIS WAS ALWAYS MEANT TO BE A SHAM, and both of them profited nicely.
I've read that Rousey was on contract to never say anything bad about DJT from Dana White.
I'm sure that only lasted while she was in the UFC production. But considering the wrestling promotion she's been involved with also has ties to the administration... I wouldn't be surprised if they all have that stipulation. Even if it's just to protect themselves from the cult of idiocy that is MAGA.
And I feel like MAGA really likes wrasslin'.
Two sweaty dudes jumping around? Right up their alley.
MAGA like Carrano typically do it for free, so a cool $1mil would be an upgrade. It's also badly needed after she torpedoed her own Star Wars career she had lined up.
That was the lady from Mandalorian, yes? Sad that they decided to cut the character out, I loved the idea of an Alderaanian on a vendetta. I'd preferred if they'd just replaced Carano.
Yeah, Cara Dune was a good character. To think, if things hadn't gone the way they did, Gina would have her own Disney+ series now. I think she was slated to star in Rangers of the New Republic, a spin off from Mandalorian and in the same universe as the other live action shows.
Sad! Sounds like a project of Filoni's that I could have gotten behind... I'm not a fan of how he practically re-writes Star Wars with his live-action shows so that the characters that he created in Clone Wars and Rebels are the actual protagonists of the saga. I'm more an original trilogy girl.
IIRC, Carano basically left MMA after losing once, whereas Rousey had to lose twice... granted, Rousey got her ass handed to her on a silver platter both of those times, but still :P
I will describe it for you. Rousey knocked her to the ground, punched her in the face a few times and then did her arm bar until she tapped after a second, which is the move she has always done to win.
So the UFC makes their main revenue stream off of gambling? Obviously no. You’re close to making a good point, but the op comment is 1000% correct. They generated money because of what they did before and who they are. Gambling on them is only going to draw attention because of what they did before and who they are.
I've found a quarter on the road before and if you were to slow down time to the exact moment my fingers touched the coin then I went from not possessing the coin to possessing it in one Planck time, which is the amount of time it takes a photon travelling at the speed of light to travel one Planck's length. So I made 134.750 quattuordecillion dollars per second.
No, it wasn't. Ginas career washed up almost 20 years ago. All but two of her fights were against newbies, in a short lived, new, league. She got wiped out in her first strikeforce match when she fought someone who could actually fight. She is one of the most over rated fighters ever. Ronda is no where near as good as the best in mma currently, but she's far better. She knows how to grapple and holds an olympic judo bronze. She's ended 3 other fights faster than this one.
Honestly this whole event was crap. I like seeing the occasional first-round knockout, but those are only fun when there’s a variety. When it’s 80% of the main card, that indicates ignorance of how to create good matches
Yeah, it is Jake Paul, so no surprise the bouts were bad. He unfortunately knew what he was doing at least as far as pulling numbers in, even if it was to watch obvious trainwrecks.
It was a joke, but it was only “fixed” in that they had a real fighter facing off against someone who only won in her prime because the field was so shallow
Yeah. Ginas fights were mostly in a new promotion that lasted less than 2 years, fighting people they scraped up out of local gyms willing to do a 'pro' fight, 5-6 years before the UFC even had womens fights. Anyone who had any finger on the pulse of fighting knew Rousey was going to run her over.
I mean, I actually did think that maybe Gina could do something... considering how badly Ronda lost her last 2 UFC fights. But then again, I've never seen Gina fight, so... yeah :P
Rouseys two losses were against women who kept fighting and doing decently in the UFC for 7-8 years after that fight, and all of Rousey's fights were title fights in strikeforce or UFC, aka vs at least decent fighters. Ginas fights were in new leagues, 4-6 years before women were in the UFC, against whoever they scraped up out of local gyms. She had the one strikeforce title fight, vs someone who can actually fight, lost in the first round, and quit fighting for the last almost 20 years.
musubi3
It wasn’t a pay per view, but I still want my money back for that tussle. So. Disappointed.
locksmith9
best joke I saw was that the fight lasted 14.88 seconds
Lassannn
I'd let her break my arm for a million dollars.
Jamnew60
Carano might have been in the new Mandalorian movie if she hadn’t revealed herself as a hardcore Nazi!
SuspiciousCactus
Its obviously a Jake Paul caliber fight, I dont know why they didnt at least drag it out a little to give some show to the customers. Like when it's already a meme why not at least give a little showmanship? 17 seconds. What a joke.
SploogeMcDuck316
I hope netflix stops letting Jake Paul produce fights...
lovehandlesmessiah
I’m trying to remember the movie scene where a boxing match started, one guy threw an air punch a mile away and the other guy just dropped on cue and ref calls the fight. Seems it might be a Naked Gun scene or something.
Seems rather unsportsmanlike to just create all this PR for something that was over faster than Ben Shapiro’s eyebrow trimming.
TargaryenLoyalist
The movie Sgt. Bilko had a scene like that, except BOTH guys dropped (both guys thought they were getting paid to take a dive).
loxiabun
umwht
Cara Dune in The Mandalorian
maphilli14
I actaully liked her character in the series, but as an actress I was glad to see her go!
Jamesstin
So is Rhonda a conservative shill or is she smart enough to keep her mouth shut about being one?
mynameistc
Only thing I know about her is she was a sandy hook denier but actually made a very convincing apology after (at least to me). Doesnt mean she is or isn’t republican still.
Jamesstin
Just read the apology. Still seems pretty odd to post a video if she "didn't believe it." But yeah she seemed aware of the problem with famous people boosting that sort of thing. And I guess it's pretty difficult to fathom someone murdering a bunch of kids
QuatermainFT
She's had some spats with trump and refused to do the white house UFC event later this summer because she doesn't like him.
coffeebaby
She said she had "better shit to do" lol
bippityboppitybuttsex
This is kind of like those 'random fat white dude' vs Mike Tyson in the 1990s, fights.
GozerTheGozerian
I was thinking more along the lines of rando hick challenging Butterbean, but the premise is basically the same.
HashMaster9k
"Mike Tyson vs his weight in wolverines!"
"AAAAAGH! WHY COULDN'T I FIGHT THE SCHOOLGIRLS!?"
johnblood616
It is almost as if cutting weight with Ozempic is a bad idea. And Carano was a middling fighter. Hadnt fought in a decade. Whereas Rousey is still an active pro-wrestler. Meaning she kept in shape.
Herebychoice
I would not say Rousey is an active pro-wrestler. She made one appearance in March this year at AEW Revolution to support her friend Maria Shafir. But that is it. She retired from the WWE in 2023. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4T80SGbqDM0
johnblood616
That was Ring of Honor. She wrestled Toni Storm in 2026. See man, ya have to look past the AI bit in your Google search.
And excuse me "part-time' pro-wrestler. Which is still more active in training Carano.
FuzorFishbug
The match with Toni Storm was cancelled. See man, ya have to look past the AI bit in your Google search.
johnblood616
I forgot she just got in Toni's face or whatever. My point still stands. She is in better shape than Carano. Also, AI overview doesnt say shit about Toni Storm, dipshit.
fearTheAnimal
And Rousey only lasted a couple of fights too. Once she faced a striker that had decent ground defense she was cooked.
WillUleimi
Also, Rousey's trainer gassed her up too much about her stand up game and told Rhonda that she could stand and bang with a world class kickboxer instead of sticking to her grappling game. Pretty dumb on the trainer's part.
spyhermit
my understanding at the time was that the organizers had told her, and her trainer, that grapple and 17 second takedowns make for a boring show and she needed to be a striker to stay interesting enough to continue to be put on the card. She and her trainer said okay, and then tried to turn a grappler into a striker at which point she got knocked out twice in a row and bailed.
WillUleimi
Ahhh, that makes a lot more sense. Thanks for the additional info.
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mutedia
She had 13 MMA fights after the Rousey fight...
johnblood616
She lost most of them and never won another title in UFC.
mutedia
Never said she did, you basically spread misinformation to fit your narrative now you move the goal post.
johnblood616
Bullshit. She fell down the card. She lost the rest of her fights but like one. I didn't mean she vanished from the face of the planet. Go look up "pedantic."
She wasn't some unstoppable beast. She studied how to beat Rousey and did it. But sure, I have a "narrative."
ChelVanin
Yeah, it really revealed her character as an athlete. No one has a perfect record, but a single loss broke her spirit.
FuzorFishbug
She couldn't even handle being disliked as a heel in WWE
InfOracle
The bigger the ego, the bigger the crack
MarkTwainsMysteriousStranger
Double the pride, twice the fall
QuatermainFT
carano quit after the one loss. Rousey lost to Holm and then Nunes before she did. Which, is still only two, but its more than one.
KiwiGameDev
You know, that is true, its also less than 3
Nekobai
Big if true!
RSRjarredallen
I'll double check the math and get back to you.... hang on...
DecapodianSaysWoopWoopWoopWoop
Should I care who any of these people are?
JackieTreehornProductions
haha no... no way. Even when they were quasi-relevant to current events they weren't worth knowing about. This is baby step 1138 towards the eventual Running Man dystopia in our future.
pr0t34n
Yeah ok but have you seen Haywire? Because it's also awful.
johnblood616
Her acting is yes. The fight choreo in that movie rules.
bripi
100% a money play. Neither in shape for a real bout, and both more than a decade out of the ring. If you paid to watch this, you are a big part of the problem
GimcrackGewgaw
I watched all these fights and I was entertained. Sometimes even mediocre fights are good. Watching Rhonda break out that arm bar again was kind of cool
buttnugget99
It was on Netflix. I guess that is still "paid", but meh. I watched it, the undercard was pretty wild. I was hoping for more though.
zHurk777
MMA is disgusting. Seems pretty fitting that trump would host bouts at the WH and that paramount-maga-CBS has been airing bouts.
Pentjotal
The arena was empty, they didnt even bother to take a slghltly smaller arena, 20 min wait between each fight 2 lasted around 2 min and another one 5 min. so 2 hours for 15 min of fight max.
DaffydeDick
17 seconds = $1.05 million. She's laughing all the way to the bank.
albakSPrince
I wonder if getting beat made her feel like a Holocaust victim? To think she had a big fan base as an actor and she gave it up to service the pedophile she worships.
PantsAreForTheWeek
More like Gina Career-no, am I right?
Groovechild
Yeah, bums me out. Always liked her and hoped her career would take off after 'Haywire.' Liked her in Mando, but then she got all Nazi-like. Was really hard to reconcile who I thought she was and who she was. Sad she's like that and sad that I can't be a fan. I keep hoping for a redemption arc, but I doubt it. https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1a2syODByNTN4dnY1c3Vnam43Ym80dGsyMDJjaHRjaTB2eTA5cjFzbiZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/bqZadRhjePrJeqONfL/200w.webp
WeaponizedJerk
She made a bunch of money from those 17 seconds, so I don't think she cares.
gingen
I can't remember but wasn't Rhonda also problematic? or am I misremembering events.
HOWDOYOUDOSPACES
Yup. She could never admit defeat. She still brings Up excuses for her loses. It's been 10 years get over it.
johnblood616
I'd say her transphobic comments are a bigger deal.
johnblood616
Yes. She makes lots of transphobic comments.
PantsAreForTheWeek
I didn't know about this so I looked it up and found this:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/ronda-rousey-mortal-kombat-11-transphobia/
johnblood616
She also claimed Sandy Hook was a hoax.
PantsAreForTheWeek
Yep! That's mentioned in the article above.
gingen
ah that and sandy hook was it. I remember now, thank you.
johnblood616
She is a really pos.
HillOfBeans
Too bad, I liked her character in The Mandalorian but she shouldn’t’ve gone nazi, I have no respect.
ShutUpMeh
I am behind the times apparently: What did Gina Carano do? She's a nazi?!?!
lackadaisycull
It was nice seeing a badass, buff woman, but her line delivery has always been wooden (which is why she did so well in Deadpool—just physicality, few lines).
imnotinthewitnessprotectionprogram
Like a beautiful oak tree
HillOfBeans
Agreed.
swedeonamoose
Ronda got $2 million for that "fight" and Gina $1 million.
bripi
Gina had been out of competition for 17 years. Nothing, no training, no fighting, just OUT. Rhonda had been playing around with wrestling so at least was in semi-competitive shape. THIS WAS ALWAYS MEANT TO BE A SHAM, and both of them profited nicely.
wadatahmydamie
Not woke? Arm broke
HashMaster9k
Wish I could get paid $2mil for smacking the stupid off a MAGA Chud...
MadamPuddifoot
I thought they were both Maga pieces of shit?
HashMaster9k
Could be, I just know that Carrano is for sure.
Ac1dBurn72
I've read that Rousey was on contract to never say anything bad about DJT from Dana White.
I'm sure that only lasted while she was in the UFC production. But considering the wrestling promotion she's been involved with also has ties to the administration... I wouldn't be surprised if they all have that stipulation. Even if it's just to protect themselves from the cult of idiocy that is MAGA.
And I feel like MAGA really likes wrasslin'.
Two sweaty dudes jumping around? Right up their alley.
ChelVanin
Would you take any amount of money to be humiliated like that? Wait, that’s a dumb question.
GemsAreOutrageousTrulyTrulyTrulyOutrageous
Most people pay good money to be humiliated!
fractalsphere
I'd fight for all I could for a one million bucks. Even letting myself get headlocked between her thighs and maybe a dislocated shoulder.
OnFridaysWeWearBeskar
A lot would PAY to get headlocked like that.
PorterPickUp
She got paid a million dollars to drop 80 pounds and get back in the shape she was at 25. Seems like a good deal to me.
thegrimreaver
Typically one has to PAY to be manhandled by a muscular woman like that.
HashMaster9k
MAGA like Carrano typically do it for free, so a cool $1mil would be an upgrade. It's also badly needed after she torpedoed her own Star Wars career she had lined up.
FestusMA
If you’re good at something never do it for free.
KillerTofu69
Id do it for new cabinets
JackArnone
Would I take a million dollars to be beaten up by Ronda Rousey? Sir I would pay money to be beaten up by Ronda Rousey.
QuatermainFT
As stated in the OP, she "acted" in shapiros movies. She's done far, far more embarrassing things for cash.
doctorId
I humiliate myself for peanuts pretty much every week
DaylonPhoto
I think Rousey grabbing your arm is the path to a lot of people’s humiliation. I think like 90% of her wins came that way.
gtollie
I would take a LOT less. I’m not looking to get humiliated.. but $20 is $20
ActionJohnnie
Do something you love and you’ll never work a day in your life.
SpartanwithaSkirt
A degenerate of culture, I see
Sensiblyinteresting
Do something you love and you'll work every day of your life
TheGriffin
Real
thedudeman519
Yea, but how much money di she get for 17 seconds with Rousey vs The Daily Wire bullshit?
That said Organized sports and ESPECIALLY UFC are a fucking racket.
MagnumRadhard
It's been lovely seeing all these MAGAts getting bopped in the ring.
albakSPrince
In the next Instagram post they'll both say they shouldn't have to pay taxes on the money they "EARNED"
FreePalestineAndTheWorldFromIsrael
Thinking these fights are anything but money laundering at this point is nothing short of naive
Fortherea
That was the lady from Mandalorian, yes? Sad that they decided to cut the character out, I loved the idea of an Alderaanian on a vendetta. I'd preferred if they'd just replaced Carano.
Monkeynutsjoe
Yeah, Cara Dune was a good character. To think, if things hadn't gone the way they did, Gina would have her own Disney+ series now. I think she was slated to star in Rangers of the New Republic, a spin off from Mandalorian and in the same universe as the other live action shows.
Fortherea
Sad! Sounds like a project of Filoni's that I could have gotten behind... I'm not a fan of how he practically re-writes Star Wars with his live-action shows so that the characters that he created in Clone Wars and Rebels are the actual protagonists of the saga. I'm more an original trilogy girl.
bannedtoHELLversion7
Not a fight a money grab. Glad I am not dumb enough to pay for crap like that.
redtruck
They will be back, in the White House, in a cage match. USA! USA!
HandsomePenguin
Wait, both of these people are still fighting? I haven't heard about either of them in years.
trasneoir
Having failed a run for president, McGregor's on his way back too :D
gardengnomeii
payday fight.
mrthewhitee
No they're not still fighting. It was a gimmick match
ThrowingSchadenfreude
Rousey's first fight in 10 years; Carano's first fight in 17 years. This was just a money grab.
EveryWeir
Mcmaclassie
IIRC, Carano basically left MMA after losing once, whereas Rousey had to lose twice... granted, Rousey got her ass handed to her on a silver platter both of those times, but still :P
EveryWeir
Exactly. Another idiot venture from Jake Paul to take other dumb people's money to make even the dumber richer. It's cyclical.
wadatahmydamie
Jake Paul’s speech is permanently slurred now, so that’s nice
EveryWeir
Good.
ShimmerinStrider
How many dollars per second did they both make?
coffeebaby
Rousey made 2.2 mil and carano 1 mil
morebooksthanmusic
I mostly don't care, but if it is only 17 seconds, can someone post a clip?
coffeebaby
I will describe it for you. Rousey knocked her to the ground, punched her in the face a few times and then did her arm bar until she tapped after a second, which is the move she has always done to win.
morebooksthanmusic
Fair enough, thank you.
WaponiWoo
We don't pay professional athletes for their performance at the event, we pay them for the performance required to get to the event
ShimmerinStrider
I'd argue they get paid for the derivative value their fight produces. The gambling industry that it.
j4gr
So the UFC makes their main revenue stream off of gambling? Obviously no. You’re close to making a good point, but the op comment is 1000% correct. They generated money because of what they did before and who they are.
Gambling on them is only going to draw attention because of what they did before and who they are.
thedudeman519
I wish club promoters took this same approach to bands.
You're not just paying for the 45minute-1 hour set.
HeWhoLies
Combined total of ~$3 million for 17 seconds means each one made around $88,000/second
Borax
88k DPS is pretty good in general
secondgoaround
Can I get my ass kicked at the same rate?
notmuchthoughtoreffort
Of time? We'll call it a speed run for charity
secondgoaround
Same pay rate, if it takes longer to knock me out, I get paid more. (Spoiler alert: I’m weak so it won’t take longer)
Aranon1183
I'm weak, too, but I have a freakishly high pain threshold
SlickWithaLimerick
88 is Gina's favorite number. Nazi ass terf.
slightlybrokenegg
I mean you kind of got to factor in training time and how long these athletes go between fights too.
TexMexHex
......the point is that they shouldn't be making that amount.
slightlybrokenegg
Why not? The event made the ufc about 10x that I don’t think they got paid enough.
KnightWithShiningCamera
If she would be paid 88k per second. She’d be a billionaire in a little over 3 hours. And after 90 days she’d be the richest person in the world
NSFWfrontpage2
So crazy that at a rate of 88k per second it would still take 90 days to dethrone the current richest person in the world.
LitigiousWhelk
Exactly my thought. 88k/second for 90 days is crazy.
Frankasti
Yesterday I found $20 on the ground. I instantly saw it, so it was like 0.01 seconds. That's $120,000 per hour!
sharK11
you should've looked for a full second!
subparsubpoena
Keep it up!
Heisanevilgenius
I've found a quarter on the road before and if you were to slow down time to the exact moment my fingers touched the coin then I went from not possessing the coin to possessing it in one Planck time, which is the amount of time it takes a photon travelling at the speed of light to travel one Planck's length. So I made 134.750 quattuordecillion dollars per second.
raithe21
fight was a joke and fixed as hell. just like anything jake paul is involved in
QuatermainFT
No, it wasn't. Ginas career washed up almost 20 years ago. All but two of her fights were against newbies, in a short lived, new, league. She got wiped out in her first strikeforce match when she fought someone who could actually fight. She is one of the most over rated fighters ever. Ronda is no where near as good as the best in mma currently, but she's far better. She knows how to grapple and holds an olympic judo bronze. She's ended 3 other fights faster than this one.
wadatahmydamie
Honestly this whole event was crap. I like seeing the occasional first-round knockout, but those are only fun when there’s a variety. When it’s 80% of the main card, that indicates ignorance of how to create good matches
QuatermainFT
Yeah, it is Jake Paul, so no surprise the bouts were bad. He unfortunately knew what he was doing at least as far as pulling numbers in, even if it was to watch obvious trainwrecks.
wadatahmydamie
It was a joke, but it was only “fixed” in that they had a real fighter facing off against someone who only won in her prime because the field was so shallow
QuatermainFT
Yeah. Ginas fights were mostly in a new promotion that lasted less than 2 years, fighting people they scraped up out of local gyms willing to do a 'pro' fight, 5-6 years before the UFC even had womens fights. Anyone who had any finger on the pulse of fighting knew Rousey was going to run her over.
thescottishfox
I mean we all saw that coming right? Part of why I didn't buy it; I knew the outcome.
wadatahmydamie
…this was on Netflix. Not a PPV event
Mcmaclassie
I mean, I actually did think that maybe Gina could do something... considering how badly Ronda lost her last 2 UFC fights. But then again, I've never seen Gina fight, so... yeah :P
QuatermainFT
Rouseys two losses were against women who kept fighting and doing decently in the UFC for 7-8 years after that fight, and all of Rousey's fights were title fights in strikeforce or UFC, aka vs at least decent fighters. Ginas fights were in new leagues, 4-6 years before women were in the UFC, against whoever they scraped up out of local gyms. She had the one strikeforce title fight, vs someone who can actually fight, lost in the first round, and quit fighting for the last almost 20 years.
wadatahmydamie
Gina was never especially good, she was just a roid freak with mid skills and chemical strength