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GuardsmanMiku
More people really need to see this shit. Good job OP.
PoorlyContrivedUsername
I mean, hard work IS important, but it is definitely more important to not belittle people for things they can't help.
princesslemon
This^. The exact words I wanted to say to my assignment group member, but he'd never understand.
SumatoMD
Dad abandoned my family when I was 13, worked my way through the gap and now I'm graduating med school. Thanks Quebec for cheap tuition!
SapiensMakeMeErectusNoHomo
Goddamn it Richard! You were doing so well until the last frame.
DarthFutuza
I was really hoping he'd notice her and they'd get married and things would work out.
zackofspades
Acknowledge you had help...literally all it would've taken.
thereddhedgehog
Right? I was really hoping he would not be an asshole about his success...maybe take a minute to converse with the cute tray-maiden
induren
Richard has no idea how much help he got. I was a TA at an Ivy League School. You would not believe the crap they're told.
Atharaenea
I know a guy like that, only his name is Ian. He was exactly as douchey as you imagine.
StrawberryBananas
I know a douchey guy named Ian too. Fuck Ian.
Genbuthesaint
Really? What do you mean? Like they are just told it's all them?
induren
They hear a lot about their innate awesomeness, & that Ivy is proof of it. Kid you won big in the vagina lottery & consolidated on it is all
ZoLieb
Can we stop ego-tripping on this? If you "feel bad" about your privilege, then vote for free edu. But really, it's not about your feelings.
SheepyCakes
The poorest people I know are the hardest working people I know.
kruton93
But why do both of them have Benjamin Button disease? Those babies look like they payin taxes
JustADudeFromLA
*whining.
kratosi
Shame on you for making me laugh after I had gotten the feels.
alpoopy
Oh MY! Are you the black twitter everyone is talking about!??!
LoNgArM74
The hacker 4chan???
beautifulpeanutbutter
Looks like Richard's too rich for taxes now
Stolf
I'M A GROWN ASS MAN!
LoNgArM74
Yes you is honey, you sure is. Here comes the airplane
RavenlyAngel
This deserves a medal...
PuppiesGoMeow
I get that reference
idunnogoddamwaterbottles
I'm not certain but I'm pretty sure I'm the real world it's called progeria and it has a life expectancy of like 12
JosephDunaravich
Is anyone born with black hair, pale skin, and friggin' freckles?
englishaccentnotbritish
I was...
KillingTheJoke1
Pics or (kindly leave)
JosephDunaravich
I'm genuinely curious. Baby pictures?
englishaccentnotbritish
I'm mixed race white (ginger mother) and Asian so I was born with lots of black hair, and pale skin and lots of freckles!
kruton93
A RARE GINGER-ASIAN HYBRID? Not to be super creepy but PICS PLS. I'm just very curious
pronacc
I thought it was gonna be a story about elderly retarded people.
HolyFuckinJesus
I'm disappointed that this wasn't the story.
KillingTheJoke1
Never go full elderly
awardwinningbananaforscale
Me too! i thought it was about affording care for adults with learning disabilities...
Muffyns
start drawing o.o
TheGreatLordLucifer
so im not the only one
kiyuyu
I think the point is that Richard believes he deserves it w/o cause and doesn't/chooses not to realize he should be grateful 2 his parents?
cianmcintyre
The point is just that they both worked hard, but Richard is wealthy because he also had a ton of other stuff in his favour.
kiyuyu
He says he did everything himself instead of acknowledging he had help. I don't think the message is against the rich so much as pride...
AuntieShrew
It's not about being grateful, it's about giving Paula a break because we realize that poverty isn't caused by people being lazy.
BabyBumbleBee3
Oh gods I'm at work and I'm crying I'm a lot like Paula.
richlion3
I feel like one important thing to remember here is that no matter where you come from and where you get to, stay humble and don't be a jerk
BunnyGoesHopHop
I don't care, black or white, male or female, Class Privilege exists and it's terrible. If you're born poor you're expected to remain poor.
SheepyCakes
Every rich person I have ever met thinks that everyone had the same chances at being rich and the poor people just "fucked up," Literally.
Hassanian
Every surgeon i've rotated with is the same, whines about barely making it, fills a bank box with jewelry bought on ebay.
Kiwi31415
Auckland City Mission. That's New Zealand! Upvotes!!!!!
resarose
I find it pretty depressing that everyone thinks this could be an American comic. Poor NZ, look what we're becoming...
Kiore
It is too! I didn't even notice!
ZOMGNO
And right after the Budget that gives to the poor with one hand...... and then takes away with the other. Thanks, John Key.
FamousOnce
I grew up a Paula and worked my ass off, now doing better than most. Key rewards those who make a real effort to better themselves.
ZOMGNO
Key and Paula both used the system extensively. Key grew up in state houses. Paula was on the benefit many times. "Because I couldn't cope"
TheBatleyTownswomensGuild
This is the most pro-welfare budget we've had for about 25 years.
ZOMGNO
Yeah, they've done better, but while he gives more money, he then sends parents back to work 2 years earlier. So he takes the parents away.
mrmessma
Every boss I've had works his ass off, putting in longer and harder hours than anybody and never complains. Just my anecdotal experience.
Hassanian
The tax-escaping wealthy generally do not work any harder than anyone else. A rich business man may push himself in pursuit of 1/2
Hassanian
2/2 more wealth, but his employees will never become wealthy no matter how much they work.
mrmessma
Not to say this doesn't happen but it's the exception, not the rule.
TheBasementNerd
I know what the fuck I got from my mother. I got fucking everything, the only thing that is mine is my computer cause I built it myself 1/2
TheBasementNerd
over the years with my own money, from her. Fuck thats not even my own. My tablet is literally the only thing I bought with my own money 2/2
WolfOfMay
where as everything i own i bought myself and worked for. Yet i only have an attatchment to my stereo and computer haha
graou13
Same for me, except that I actually have my own computer paid with summer work but yeah everything else is thanks to my mom...
graou13
my father on the other side was more like Paula, comes from a much poorer family and work 12 hours a day to sustain his side of the family
graou13
(my parents are divorced) so yeah, i know that life is what it is thanks to my mom and respect people that haven't had the benefits I had
graou13
because if life level was dependent on hard work rather than initial resources they would be on the very top.
blueberrycupcakes
It can be worse. My parents have given me nothing and yet they demand that I live my life the way they want me to even though it has been 1
blueberrycupcakes
close to 9 years that I live on my own 2
TobyHinloopen
I'm the guy on the left. I'm young, have a sizable house, a nice car and I earn much more than lots of poeple working much harder than me.1/
Viper4382
On behalf of everyone on the right side of that image, please let me be the first to thank your for your honesty. It's very rare to see.
UserrMaatIenpw
I can really appreciate that you'll say that, congrats on doing well nonetheless.
Viper4382
On behalf of everyone on the right side of that image, please let me be the first to thank your for your honesty. It's very rare to see.
TobyHinloopen
only made possible by others helping me and me kissing poeple's butts while thanking them.
SAWhowhatnow
As long as you recognize that and understand that others didn't have the same opportunities then you're doing it right.
StarrryNight
You can unburden yourself with some of that wealth by adding it to my paypal account if you want
Razor10Thousand
Are you that Nigerian Princess who's been meaning to get back to me for all this time?
Liloya
I hate that I have to work 3 jobs and manage a house to live the way I do and still am considering a 4th job to help out on bills.
SAWhowhatnow
No one who works 40 hours a week should have to worry about those kinds of things.
Liloya
True. I don't work just 40 hours though. I work 67 and I'm still barely making a dent and I know a few people who are similar.
skepticalbystander
Agreed. Whenever discussion minimum wage/fair pay comes up, that's something I never understand people being against. :/
WEAREGRID
Congrats, we've proven once again that it is time for the proletariat to over throw their rich masters, good night imgur.
insegrevious
Both parents worked, had issues with schooling(I was rebellious), had to pay for college alone, trained myself in IT,& career'd 100k+ a year
buttshredder
I upvoted this on the pretense that it is sincere...
SAWhowhatnow
I'll ask the French if they still have any guillotines we can borrow.
other
I feel like you're being sarcastic but I think that since a 2nd new deal and ww3 isn't forthcoming that may happen this time around.
zackofspades
Bruh. O'Neil for DAYS. Long Days...
Berethian
Marx failed because he didn't predict the rise of the middle class, which is what drives a democracy. Without a middle class, no democracy.
mrgrape
Marx's biggest failure was in predicting the eventual demise of the upper class, claiming it was unsustainable.
Fozee
When the working class learns to start burning the homes of the upper class, Marx will have been correct.
Thatoneguyfromthatonemovie
The Bourgeoisie that Marx wanted to overthrow was the middle class.
Berethian
Yes, but in Marxist theory it's a tiny class, with a huge working class. The advent of a large middle class was not foreseen.
wodkadetective
Wait, you can't leave, we're starting purges and Sally bought a casserole and a crate of Mosins.
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PTKrieg
Late Imperial Russian/Early Soviet Union go-to infantry weapon. Put in storage after SKS and AK came online, exported en-masse to the U.S.
VerbalSpaghetti
moist nuggets. #1 rifle
AndThenThereWereSquirrels
http://prepare-and-protect.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/I-can-already-smell-the-cosmoline-_ffae5e39dd82ae54ce8211604ab8dfd8.jpg
TheBatleyTownswomensGuild
People tend to forget why the Russian Revolution happened in the first place. It wasn't because the working classes were bored.
StarrryNight
Same with the French revolution. Keep making the rich richer and the poor poorer eventually the rich find themselves on the chopping block
iamOzymandiasLookOnMyWorksDumbassAndDespair
After all they're a small part of the population. Doubt more than 1%
StarrryNight
Which happens to have 60%? More? Of the wealth. That's a big return for a few beheadings.
iamOzymandiasLookOnMyWorksDumbassAndDespair
I wonder if this occurred to them? I further wonder why the police have military equipment.
JosephDunaravich
That's not really fair, it was a middle class revolution. The actually really poor rarely have the wherewithal to rebel.
theduke9000
As a guy with relatively well-off parents, going to a well-resourced school that they pay for, I feel awful right now. Very powerful comic.
muraoka
I'm glad you at least realize it. I've personally had people tell me I don't try hard enough--
muraoka
I was kicked out after high school, struggle with autism and bipolar. I've had to move countless times and start new. I can't go to school.
muraoka
and people look down on me. I honestly hold a lot of resentment toward people with the easy path in life who don't acknowledge it.
xthetenth
Don't feel awful for decisions that aren't yours but acknowledge & use those advantages to give back and help others and feel good for that.
xthetenth
Don't feel awful for decisions that aren't yours but acknowledge use those advantages to give back and help others and feel good for that.
UnpopularOpinionMan
As a poor person entering engineering..... holy shit......
Bent0916
Like 7 or 8 out of the 10 best paying fields are some kind of Engineering. Godspeed.
mrgrape
If you don't have connections, the best you can do is apply for internships at a bunch of different places while you're still in college.
SuperCrus
Steve Jobs was pretty much poor.
Pandatickler
A very good piece. Sadly I imagine the comment section will be full of cringeworthy material demonstrating a lack of basic human kindness.
UptownFunkgotmeLockedOutOfHeavenwitha24kMagicGrenade
I'm seeing a few "My parents were poor but I made it!" comments. Hopefully they're aware that's not everyone's situation.
PlutoIsSoAPlanet
Not this time it seems. People really seem to get this one.
HypoMix
"I had it hard therefore everyone else should"
Menhiri
Starting with your comment.
evilyouth
I understand what you were going for there. Sorry for others' downvotes, have my +1.
evilyouth
@pandatickler implied that people would react in the worst possible manner. @menhiri pointed out that was a cruel assumption. No?
Menhiri
Yep, that was the base of it.
strongfkennedy
What was he/she "going for"?
ProbablyDrunkAgain
If you have to ask there is no point in trying to explain.
strongfkennedy
So... You can't explain it either, can you.
evilyouth
I accidentally replied to my comment with your response. I haven't quite gotten the hang of edits or deletions as I'm exclusively on mobile.
SpreadYourToes
I hate that I'm Paula.
cpax
You anything about that hard work you did, you can tell him to his face he has no idea what the hell he's talking about. 3/3
sakurafanelia
I am a Paula. Struggled so hard and so very little to show for it. Except depression, anxiety, small social circle, debts, health (1/n)
sakurafanelia
problems. At least Paula has her parents...
cpax
Than Richard, yeah Richard might be a dick about his success, but that doesn't not negate your success and when Richard tries to tell 2/2
cpax
Don't just hate, use it to fuel your success. Honest hard work never killed anybody. Yeah, it's unfair you have to work harder 1/2
SpreadYourToes
I appreciate your opinion, but I never said I didn't aim to succeed- But I can recognize that I've gotten the short end of the stick in life
L0L5ever
I'm glad I was a Richard turning into Paula, but it hasn't been easy for the rest of my family
YouAreBreathingManually
Honestly ? I´m glad that I´m Paula... because I´m more thankful for my parents and proud for every step I make to achieve something more
Myfeetsmelllikeroses
Why? every step you take forward has been earned. Don't back down!! KEEP ON TRUCKING!!
wodkadetective
Kill Rodger and wear his skin, the rules of nature apply to all.
ConorDoesAThing
RULES OF NATURE.
Turbz
I hate that I'm Paula's parents...I wish I could provide my family with everything they deserve. I work hard just to struggle.
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jackbinimbul
And yet the world don't give a damn if you're decent, just if you're useful.
TheEgolessEgotist
I was born a Richard. My dad, however, was a Paula. I was incredibly lucky to be born in my position, but I acknowledge it and I acknowledge
PolarHailStorm
You keep what you kill. Go on, be a Necromonger.
imnotwearingunderweartoday
I hate that I'm both and doing worse than Paula because I'm a bad person.
Winterous
Well if it's that much of an issue, you could always change your name.
TheEgolessEgotist
2. the struggles of those around me, superior, and acknowledge how much more hard work they had to put in. I greatly respect for them.
ugunaeatdat
I was, too. It may take u longer, but u'll get there.
TwirlingDaisies
99% of us are paula
timmyburns
I was Paula. Single mom, etc. I didn't go to college. Worked hard. 6 figure job, 30 years old. Do work. Paula's are everywhere. 1/2
timmyburns
We just don't all bitch and complain about how unfair life is and how other people are 'privileged'. Instead, we get to work. 2/2
timmyburns
I'm sure I'll get downvotes because imgur just wants to feel bad for the 'victim' but whatever.
timmyburns
I'm sure I'll get downvotes because imgur just wants to feel bad for the 'victim' but whatever.
SpreadYourToes
Recognizing that life has not been handed to me is not claiming "the victim"
timmyburns
Bitching and complaining about it, though..
SheepyCakes
The job market today is not what it was years ago. This is not realistically possible anymore.
timmyburns
Years ago? I'm fucking 30.
SheepyCakes
And I'm 25. When I was 14, I could get a summer job pretty easy. Now that's laughable. I also live in a very very small town
timmyburns
Years ago? I'm fucking 30.
pedrobrv
I hate that I should theorically be Richard but ended up as Paula because of my choice of decree and cultural issues regarding that decree.
jackbinimbul
d...do you mean degree?
pedrobrv
Sorry, I'm brazilian, I always get these two mixed.
jackbinimbul
Ah. Non-native English speakers are excused!
pedrobrv
Never mind what I said, i got confused again, here they are way more different than a single letter. "Decreto" and "Grau", sorry xD
martinphipps
"decree" or "degree"? And did it involve learning to spell?
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AdorableEvil
Art history or philosophy, I'm guessing.
CorruptedLife
"cultural issues regarding that decree." probably gender studies or some other type of sociology
pedrobrv
Long story short, I'm a designer and in my country people think that a proper designer is unnecessary if relatives know basic photoshop.
kheelz
I tried to explain this to some people the other day. We are all trying to run the same race, but we have different starting lines.
Xynatox
Doesn't mean you can't apply yourself and train to get faster than the other people.
SAWhowhatnow
And a select few start the race WELL beyond the finish line to begin with.
nicehulk
And therein lies the lie of "The American Dream". You aren't in complete control of your life's outcome (even though it would be great)
insidetraitor
Worth mentioning some start way BEHIND YOU and make it waaaay further. Kinda like to focus on those people instead of "Richard", personally.
PaperElemental
Going to use that one.
mrmarvel2013
Different starting lines not a different race! Mindset...it's all a mindset!
StarrryNight
And this is why higher education needs to be tax payer funded.
walterpeck
...it is
StarrryNight
wat? So.. all the thousands of people claiming to be tens of thousands of dollars in debt are... liars?
walterpeck
Perhaps you should have said "100% funded" instead.
StarrryNight
Perhaps you should stop being anally retentive.
Play3rTw0
And the church said "amen"
kspz
This definitely belittles the hard work put in by those that have a better starting line, though.
PlutoIsSoAPlanet
Where's that gif of Woody Harrelson wiping away tears with money when you need it?
pgdave
No, it doesn't. It just says that you can't determine how hard you work by how far you get.
kheelz
No I'm just pointing out that it's not okay to belittle others because they aren't where you are yet.
jd254
While I agree 100%, it must be acknowledged that they still did the work and ran the race.
pgdave
Yes - people who are rich often did work hard. As hard as other people who aren't rich.
johnvictor
The problem is they sneer at the other person who had to start 5 miles back on the same race and say they want handouts.
strongfkennedy
It is acknowledged, but I think we should be more concerned with giving a hand up than a pat on the back.
wam3483
They didn't do the same amount of work, and didn't race the same race. They raced a much easier version.
ObviousCaptain
That's not entirely true.
wam3483
It is completely true. Parental wealth buys benifits which make a kid's future easier.
lanceconstablebluejohn
fancy elaborating?
johnvictor
I come from a poor family, was abused, and didn't have as many opportunities as other kids. You think I stand a chance compared to them?
SAWhowhatnow
True, but finishing the race by running half a meter isn't the same as finishing after running 50 kilometers.
jd254
for example, getting a doctorate has all the same requirements, poor or rich. The length is the same. the only difference is the shoe worn
SAWhowhatnow
Yeah, some people have motorized skates and others have broken glass in lead-filled boots.
Apollogize
Truest thing you've said It sucks still the motorized skater can go backwards and the bloody walker can push forward All what you do with it
jd254
for example, getting a doctorate has all the same requirements, poor or rich. The length is the same. the only difference is the shoe worn
Apollogize
There is no finish line He ran 50km also. His head start may put him further in the end but he must always keep racing or she will catch up.
SAWhowhatnow
See, this is where the metaphor breaks down. The "finish line" isn't death, and the point isn't to beat other people to it. The "finish [1]
SAWhowhatnow
a select few don't have to work at all because they inherit such a life and do nothing at all. People need to recognize the advantages [4]
SAWhowhatnow
the finish line to begin with. Or, to drop the metaphor altogether, some people don't have to work hard to get a comfortable life, and [3]
SAWhowhatnow
they had that others didn't and not assume that hard work translates to success on a 1:1 basis. [5]
Apollogize
I agree that hard work does not translate to success on a 1:1 basis. However I disagree that it is possible to maintain a comfortable [1]
Apollogize
See what I mean? [7]
Apollogize
be a failure. [6]
Apollogize
that relation allows for something like 0.01 work and 100 inheritance to equal out to a comfortable life; however 0 work will always [5]
Apollogize
So while I agree that work alone is not a 1:1 translation with success; I do think that (nature)*(nurture) is a 1:1 translation. Still [4]
Apollogize
Nature and Nurture meaning your born with certain advantages and disadvantages, but the work you put in also determines your outcome [3]
Apollogize
inherited life without doing anything at all. I feel it is pretty impossible to survive at all by doing nothing at all. I believe in [2]
SAWhowhatnow
line" is having a comfortable life and achieving your goals. Many people don't have to run as far and some start the race well beyond [2]
Apollogize
There is no finish line; anyone could have a comfortable life one day, and lose it all the next. Did they finish and then start a new race?
Apollogize
You agree?
goldensky
And this is why I am depressed and self-deprecating. I had advantages and I feel like that's *all* I had.
xthetenth
Use the fruit of those advantages for good. Take solace in that. I feel like that when I'm depressed though, it sucks to deal with.
goldensky
But let's not remember that until the last frame...Richard didn't do anything WRONG.
sciencekitty521
This is what REAL privilage-checking is. Just acknowledge that you had help. It's not _bad_ that you had help, but you need to be aware.
rhalden
Why don't we focus on providing better assistance to those who need it? Or we could discuss how victim-checking is just as real & necessary.
peopleperson
...and maybe help someone else in deference to that, other than just those in your own sphere.
bart2pl
+ had help doesn't mean you got everything on a silver plate, even with "connections and shit" you STILL have to work hard
Samael13
advantages that Paula didn't, and they *helped* him in ways that she missed out on." That doesn't belittle his work or hers.
Samael13
Why is this always the response? Where does it say "Richard had everything handed to him on a silver plate"? The comic *shows* him working.
Samael13
We can see that he worked. The point isn't "Richard didn't do dick with his time and squandered his opportunities" it's "Richard had
BobbumManInHisBobbumVan
But it's very hard to be aware when that's what your accustomed to. And then you get criticised for something out of your control.
strongfkennedy
I thinks it's important to distinguish between being criticized just for having privilege and being crit'd for not acknoweldging
peopleperson
Exactly. White men feel the privilege of hundred of years the world being controlled by them, even if they're unemployed in a trailer park.
peopleperson
If that guy were black, or a woman, he would likely have fewer opportunities, face more harassment etc.
peopleperson
If that guy were black, or a woman, he would likely have fewer opportunities, face more harassment etc.
strongfkennedy
I don't know if it's that, but if you put on a nice suit and tie, nobody knows you're poor, but if you're black or a woman, they do
peopleperson
Could the reason a white guy (like me) can fool people by dressing nice may come from lack of money being one of the only stigmas we face?
babybirdhome
Actually, rich people will still know you're poor unless you spent a lot and were dressed by rich people.
MusculusSternocleidomastoideus
Yes, many people have it easier than others. Does that mean they didn't work or didn't have skill to get there? I do agree with 1/
Hassanian
Your desire to work and the acquirement of your skills came from somebody else. You did not create them.
MusculusSternocleidomastoideus
The fact that it's stupid to think that poor people don't work hard, but it's also stupid to assume that rich people don't work hard. 2/2
kspz
This I agree with.
hyretic
I don't think this is trying to imply rich people don't work hard, just that that isn't the only factor at play, yet the guy thinks it is.
MusculusSternocleidomastoideus
Okay, true! Though, you have to admit that many people in this world think that they just got rich by doing nothing.
SAWhowhatnow
Inheritance is a thing, you know.
MusculusSternocleidomastoideus
Yeah and losing all your money by being stupid and doing nothing is also a thing, you know?
aCoolBreezeOnAHotSummerDay
Exactly. I think a tiny fraction are lucky enough to have a free pass to an easy life. Most successful people get there thru hard work.
katarzynawid
It's easier to work hard when everything else falls into place, rather than falls apart.
MusculusSternocleidomastoideus
This is maybe the only comment people have given me that I can agree with.
katarzynawid
And I come from the privileged side of things. Maybe not money, but time, education, stable home. Support. Help. Invaluable.
NotWelcomehere
Exactly. Those in my opinion are far more important than money. Money helps everything else (most of the time) but support is the lynch-pin.
cianmcintyre
Of course they work hard. It's only a problem when they think that they got it from JUST hard work and no help at all.
MusculusSternocleidomastoideus
Well, that's where we disagree. I think at least half of them would've also gotten there w/o the help.
ThatStickyFeelingJustBeforeYouStartSweating
Of course, which is why half the poor people in the world end up rich by the end of their lives! Don't they? They do right?
MusculusSternocleidomastoideus
I know plenty who became well set or are on their way to. I know plenty who didn't, but most of them used up their money for booze and party
cianmcintyre
There's nothing to support that though. The point is that almost everyone well-off DID have help, some just refuse to acknowledge it.
Razor10Thousand
Have a source to back your assertions?
MusculusSternocleidomastoideus
Well, show me the evidence. Prove to me that they couldn't have done it w/o the help.
Butters25
A study was done where some people started with more money than others in Monopoly, and upon winning they claimed it was because of skill
Bammitt
In "Monopoly", everyone starts out with the same amount of money.
Butters25
In the study they had one person start with more and get an extra die to roll
beautifulpeanutbutter
I also read that study! And apparently those w/ more starting money also tended to cheat and be more aggressive in the game
louster
Source: http://www.ted.com/talks/paul_piff_does_money_make_you_mean
PlasticFantasticLover
Thanks! I just watched the video and its fascinating. especially the part about rich people being more likely to break the law in a car.
PlasticFantasticLover
2 plus the very literal 'taking candy from children' thing was kinda funny.
TheFogComesOnLittleCatFeet
They also ate MUCH more of a bowl of prezles left on the table. (seriously)
J0joTheIdiotCircusBoy
I believe it, but I don't play much. My wife gets mean when we play....
blyp
Self serving bias
MusculusSternocleidomastoideus
Did the people with more starting money do stupid things or did tehy indeed think about the moves they made? Bc, that means skill...
IWishIWereNotAllergicToCats
Just not necessarily *more* skill that the other players. I feel like you couldn't have more thoroughly missed the point.
MusculusSternocleidomastoideus
Except that many people think that they have more skill than those who are rich.
Bammitt
In "Monopolyy", everyone starts out with the same amount of money.
louster
Should note: it wasn't just more start money, it was more *dice rolls* & more money each time passing Go. It was hugely rigged by design.
Butters25
Character limit restricted me :( Thanks for noting!!
trustmeimasuperhero
The point isn't that they won, it's that they felt the earned the win with their skill, which is clearly not the case.
peopleperson
IIRC the "rich" players had two dice while the "poor" players only had one.
Imgonnatipyouwell
That makes no sense, how were they unaware that they were given an advantage?
NurietaGM
They felt they deserved it for their hard work (monopoly skills?) so they didn't realized they were privileges/handouts.
maybeamonster
They weren't. They assumed they'd have done as well if they were in the other persons shoes. It wasn't the advantage, it was them, right?
unaligned1
You want to see this to the extreme? Play MtG. Someone spends a ton of money on a top tier deck. Every win is skill & every loss is luck.
IgnisErus
when you play with a mix of people (fnm for example) that happens a lot, when you play with friends thats usually not the case, however 1/?
IgnisErus
when playing at tourneys one should expect that people would spend money on that shit, another thing is some people just recreate other 2/?
IgnisErus
peoples winning decks. that itself removes much of the skill element to it, building your deck requires more skill than playing it does 3/?
IgnisErus
a truly "skilled" play should be able to look at the spoilers and be able to create an awesome deck from it, not that help is bad but 4/5
Imgonnatipyouwell
Not really comparable because at that level everyone else they're playing also has a top tier deck.
unaligned1
It is though because then it's happening to both player. P1 wins? P1: I got skillz. P2: You lucked out. P2 wins? The opposite happens.
Imgonnatipyouwell
Well ok yeah I guess the blame game still happens but at least it's on an even playing field. MTG pretty much is = parts luck and skill.
unaligned1
I agree that standard is fairly level (fetches can still be expensive). Modern & Legacy/Vintage is where you see the haves vs the have nots.
ABadManWithABeard
You have some really shit players with deep pockets then. Eventually in competitive you learn a lot of losses are YOU. Some are luck though
ImgurCasualRacismBot
True, rich guy came to my LGS new to magic dropped a few thousand and took first place every almost every week for two months.
ImgurCasualRacismBot
True, rich guy came to my lgs new to magic droped a few thousand and took first place every almost every week for two months.
imtiredofthinkingupaccounts
any mobile game out there now
Imgonnatipyouwell
unless you're just talking about random games at the comic shop. Then yeah.
KojiKnight
As a Blizzard forum MVP, the same is said in every Hearthstone thread.
ABadManWithABeard
More or less the same game at the core so it makes sense.
Bent0916
Can MVPs talk to devs? Can you tell them I hate them for turning all their games into microtransaction goldsinks?
kanped
And it's not true. 2.5k dust decks are often better than 12k and the really expensive stuff gives some of the worst cards in the game
TheFogComesOnLittleCatFeet
But in MtG, a cheap deck with a good draw can occasionally beat a perfect deck with a bad draw.
pie4155
I made my own deck it kicks most competitive decks into the fucking ground, when it draws well, or okay if they draw poorly.
CeriCat
At least in MtG you have fixed rules, and a well balanced deck can outperform a high value one for a good player, RL not so much.
pizzabubble7
Yes, and in the real world, occasionally a Paula will "beat" a Richar...but an occasional outlier doesn't change the odds.
pizzabubble7
*Richard, sorry, I can't spell on my damn phone.
Conflict
Perfectly put.
Mistruths
Did the ones with bonus money consistently win more often than those who did not? Because Monopoly is very skill-based, despite the dice.
louster
The TED talk about this implies they did, but it was rigged in other ways also: http://www.ted.com/talks/paul_piff_does_money_make_you_mean
Shadelurker
I'm having a hard time believing anything you say with that username.
Mistruths
I can see that.
chaosofslayer
So many people don't understand that game or the skills needed to play it
alticaarden
Kinda the same with life really, but having more money to start with helps a fuckton
Apollogize
This comment is the truest thing on this thread.
MeanMisterClean
What kind of skill is required? I grew up believing it was 90% luck.
chaosofslayer
understand which properties are the strongest at different points of the game. 90% of Monopoly takes place during the trade flurry when (2)
chaosofslayer
You have to know how to negotiate. How to convince people you're making a fair deal when it's actually in your favor. You have to (1)
MeanMisterClean
Yes, but if you land on the best properties at the beginning you gain a fair advantage. Also, it's theoretically possible for your (1/2)
chaosofslayer
I'll be fairly even when playing against my friends when we play. But I beat my family 90% of the time when playing.
chaosofslayer
I'm not saying there's no luck involved because there definitely is. But I'm saying skill is significantly more important than luck
MeanMisterClean
opponent to never actually land on any of your improvements. (2/2) (I just bought the game of thrones board game because of 0 luck factor.)
chaosofslayer
everyone is ready to get monopolies. Then it is mostly luck of the roll after that. It's about setting yourself up in the best position (3)
backtobackpanicattack
What you do with your money takes skill, but where you land doesn't. And oftentimes where you land is the difference.
Koztah
Where you land and -having the money to buy the property + houses when you land on it-. If you own over half the board you pretty much win.
NekoEmmi
Actually my bf pointed out one time during an epic Monopoly session that on two 6 sided dice, the most likely result is 7, therefore you 1/2
backtobackpanicattack
That's pretty competitive yeah, those are some fine margins.
NekoEmmi
should aim to acquire/put houses on properties that the game sends you to, and those 7 on from there ;) he's so competitive, lol! 2/2
tiramigiu
you should point out he's an idiot, then just glance at a monopoly board to see why what he says is idiotic.
Dupblanc
Simple math. On a throw of two 6 sided dice the highest probability is getting the sum of 7 (probability is 1 in 6, or roughly 16,67%)
Dupblanc
Simple math. On a throw of two 6 sided dice the highest probability is getting the sum of 7 (probability is 1 in 6, or roughly 16,67%)
tiramigiu
It's really not, try get 3 of a kind ASAP on the first half of the board. Buy everything you land on, apart from utilities(always buy RRs).
Mistruths
Buying everything you land on just means that you run out of money faster.
avidatheist
And buying nothing/fewer things means you have less of a source of income.
tiramigiu
it means that no one else can complete a set, which puts you in a better bargaining position later.
Mistruths
Of course, but then you're broke and in danger of going bankrupt. You want to break as many sets as you can as cheaply as you can.
DMGuy
Yeah, like tiramigiu is saying, Monopoly really isn't a skill intensive game. I play a *lot* of board games, and most of the gaming (1)
DMGuy
community considers Monopoly to be a "solved game", which means that there is a clear strategy to victory that you can take every time (2)
DMGuy
people are constantly going to jail in Monopoly, and you want to be in position to bleed everyone who gets out. It's pretty simple. (4)
DMGuy
and have a good chance of winning. Always buy real estate you land on, and especially get all of the stuff following close after jail; (3)
BeverageGoblin
"Surely the point of this comic is to mock rich white people like ME and not highlight the challenges of poorer people because 1/1
mrgrape
Even if you're parents are middle class, married and minorities, there's a chance you have no idea what poor people struggle with.
BeverageGoblin
1/2 everything is always about ME. WAH WAH WAAAH" - a lot of privileged people in this thread
PlasticFantasticLover
HA! plus one to you sir. kinda what I was thinking and I'm a pretty well off person.
embiggenator
Paula would've had way more scholarship/grant opportunities as a woman and from a poor family. She also probably would've had an easier 1/2
embiggenator
time getting into programs where she's underrepresented, and finding a job (at least in the US).
YouCantKeepJetpackingAwayFromYourProblemsBrian
(3) But my only point was that if Paula had 2 jobs, she might not actually qualify for a grant, since they'd say "you're making enough".
YouCantKeepJetpackingAwayFromYourProblemsBrian
> I had that job to save money for a car. College was 40 min drive away, and I was paying to carpool. So that system is a little screwy....
YouCantKeepJetpackingAwayFromYourProblemsBrian
Funny enough, I was lucky enough to get a grant until I got a job. Then they said fuck you, you're making money, and cut my grant. >
CarpeNates
Sounds like socialism to me. Which I like, because I'm a socialist. People before profits is not an empty catchphrase, it's basic decency.
szepasszony
Read the first sentence and thought 'oh here we go....' Was pleasantly surprised.
doubleKlutch
Capitalists see abuse in large government and believe that a free market system is the least biased and most humane in the long run. It's no
doubleKlutch
-not an argument of ethics, but rather methods. I don't know who is right, but I try to understand the valid ethical position on both sides.
TGWeaver
If you think about it, socialism's like, everybody helping everybody else out, and capitalism's like... greed.
ZtZebaztian
Cronyism is greed. Capitalism is a Wild card, it's whatever its people want it to be. Unfortunately though, most people choose it to be that
TGWeaver
It's sort of like the only reason Capitalism works is because it plays on mankind's biggest flaw.
ZtZebaztian
Can't exactly say that since there's no functioning capitalist economy today.
doubleKlutch
Greed is a human constant. You don't side step it by empowering a committee. And remember that none of us live in a true free market
aCoolBreezeOnAHotSummerDay
Go live in a socialist country like Venezuela and see what you think about socialism then. Even fucking commie China isn't socialist.
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aCoolBreezeOnAHotSummerDay
The United Socialist Party controls Ven now. It forces price controls on basic items thus affecting supply to the point that things run out.
AxelBeingCivil
Price controls aren't the primary cause; currency controls are. Doesn't help that a lot of the goods it subsidizes get smuggled.
aCoolBreezeOnAHotSummerDay
That is such bullshit. Socialism eventually turns into every man for himself b/c the fucking stores ran out of toilet paper a month ago.
doubleKlutch
Socialism: "We know what we are doing and can engineer a functional system."
doubleKlutch
Capitalism: "We don't know jack, so let's let natural Darwinian market forces determine the ideal system."
ChaosLierLen637
... so money becomes the best work-around. Thank you for your time. (6
ChaosLierLen637
... certain size individuals just don't have the time or energy to really humanize everyone around (& stereotypes lead to MANY problems) (5
ChaosLierLen637
... to facilitate human cooperation. Sure, it works by being the lowest common denominator of human desire, but after society reaches a (4
ChaosLierLen637
... helped you. They want your dollar. You want their good/service. Everyone gets what they want. Money's nothing more or less than a tool(3
ChaosLierLen637
Socialism is people doing only what they must. Every dollar you spend at a given business helps them help others in the same way they (2/?
ChaosLierLen637
This is literally backwards. Corporatism is greed. Capitalism is everyone doing what they can. It's also the balance of greed & charity.(1/?
PlutoIsSoAPlanet
There's a lot of daylight between pure capitalism and pure socialism. Free markets, smart incentives, regulation and equality all matter.
TGWeaver
It's like, if you're really working on developing your soul and being a good person, capitalism's constantly throwing obstacles in your way.
TGWeaver
It's like, the principles that EVERY SINGLE RELIGION teaches are DIRECTLY OPPOSED to the principles of capitalism.
TGWeaver
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEajfIabv6s Thanks for following the comment chain this far down, have a great night.
JustaSchoscher
GINGERS DO HAVE SOULS!
Kerberos623
Offcourse we do , each freckle is another one we've stolen.
MusculusSternocleidomastoideus
I don't entirely agree. Giving equal chances to people, yes, but if they don't take the chance, it's not up to me to help them.
TheGhostofElizabethShue
Ah see, but counter opinion: it is. Because human beings.
MusculusSternocleidomastoideus
No it isn't. Nothing is my duty to do. Unless if you are in mortal danger at that moment.
TheGhostofElizabethShue
Sooo, let people suffer, and the moment they conk out you rush in and start administering CPR? Heroic.
MusculusSternocleidomastoideus
Are you an idiot or do you just act like it? If you don't try to help yourself, you don't deserve my help. I'll use that for others.
IWishIWereNotAllergicToCats
Some of us are happy when our taxes to go towards helping people who are less able than ourselves. We have enough to go round.
MusculusSternocleidomastoideus
I am happy when it goes to education and healthcare. If I want to help more, I'll give it to a charity of my choosing.
PaperElemental
In some countries, paying taxes is basicly charity.
aCoolBreezeOnAHotSummerDay
How's that working out in Venezuela?
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aCoolBreezeOnAHotSummerDay
Exactly. They have no clue. A good friend of mine is from Cuba and boy does he have stories.
mrgrape
There are tons of privileged white dudes who are socialist. Ever heard of Europe?
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mrgrape
So maybe that means socialism isn't the cause of problems in those 3rd world countries?
xthetenth
What about the horrors of other systems in the third world? If socialism could make Venezuela as nice as the US, that'd be insane.
xthetenth
What about the horrors of other systems in the third world? If socialism could make Venezuela as nice as the US, that'd be insane.
RenegadeTQ
It sounds good but socialism is money before people. It's constantly checking how many marshmallows your neighbor has to reference Louis CK
StarrryNight
Nah, that's capitalism. I've seen nothing but bitching from capitalists about how it's "not fair" that McD's employees could earn $15p/h.
RocketBryan
That's more extremist version of socialism, ie. communism. Socialism is more about helping the weakest link in the chain, not bringing 1/2
RocketBryan
2/2 down those at the top to that low level. Basically improving the baseline standard. I really wish people didn't conflate those two terms
OctoPlusNone
And Marxist communism isn't even about bringing anyone down. It's about everyone having the means to live in a way that makes them happy.
CarpeNates
Thank you, I wish basic knowledge of political terminology was more widespread, it would avoid so much pointless bickering.
16and0bears
Side note, why are people so unwilling to admit that they had help
TachyonCode
Just as important: why didn't she turn that plate of clams over on that guy's head?
16and0bears
Cause she likes continuing the citric acid cycle
HamsterFood
When something has always been there you stop noticing
Sandwich247
As a rule, I allways admit I have had help. I feel bad if I don't give people credit, though, I imagine that's because of my upbringing.
whoelsetherealone
Because there is more pride to get from achieving something by yourself than something you got help with. We learn that from early school.
whoelsetherealone
And it's a stupid way of thinking. Not that they all are liars. A lot does that with an inconscient reflex of: I need people approval
justrememberthatyourestandingonaplanetthatsevolving
I am a Paula who married a Richard. Over the years, I've come to see that it is impossible to empathise with live experience you don't have.
YouCantKeepJetpackingAwayFromYourProblemsBrian
I am also marrying a Richard! But that's just his name. =P huehue
youaintseenme
Here's a thought: maybe they aren't and it's mostly just a weak stereotype propagated by political rhetoric.
youaintseenme
Foof for thought: https://www.ted.com/talks/nick_hanauer_beware_fellow_plutocrats_the_pitchforks_are_coming/transcript?language=en
induren
In the USA at least, it's the idea that you built yourself, the, "self-made man," myth, is strong. You're supposed to be individually strong
CitizenDickbag
Craig T. Nelson: "Nobody helped me out when I was on welfare!" Uh...
mastercheif
Same reason so many people are unwilling to admit that its their own fault that they're fuck ups.
mastercheif
Some achieve with help, some fuck up on their own.
SlightlyNormal
Because A) they are unaware and B) They don't want to diminish their achievements?
YamatoIouko
Really. I have had SO much help though my life; I'd never have ANYTHING if it weren't for the help of others.
Peendidiler
a lot of people wont take help even when they need it, walter white is an excellent example
wabitgirl
As someone who didn't know it, it's not an unwillingness, it's a misunderstanding about having received help.
xthetenth
For me it took falling off the tightwire to realize how many nets there were under me. It was a bit of a shock.
TheThingThatPeopleNeverTalkAbout
Idk because they like to brag.
thoreaux
Some people really don't.
HighImpactDinosaur
Well in the USA we have this cultural ideal of "rugged individualism" that plays a big role.
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theysaidtherewouldbecats
Everyone loves an underdog
aCoolBreezeOnAHotSummerDay
I don't really think that many people are unwilling, but help can only get your so far. U've still got to have the motivation and work ethic
IFuckingLoveOtters
Some of them often mention the people that helped them when they get higher up though
varsil
My annoyance isn't admitting that I had some advantages (along with some huge challenges). It's people rejecting my successes/beliefs.
GuardLLama
No idea. Realize you've been blessed and make the most of it to make a positive difference for others.
eronth
Lack of extra burden never seems like help.
kushielschosen
thissss.. I had a roommate in uni whose parents paid for her tuition/books/rent; she still complained about buying groceries and now has a
kushielschosen
blog about "living debt free" and how anybody can manage to do it. puh-leeze.
zenunchucks
Pride.
itsamazing
it's a US disease, I come across it all the time in the US, almost never in EU. get furious if you suggest they didn't do it all themselves
beancrayons
Vanity, mostly.
kerms
Because it's always said in a passive-aggressive way.
TheHypestShit
It's very easy to take help for granted. Plus, we'd all like to think that we're capable of great success alone, right?
FatherElongatedAppendages
Because they don't realize that they had help.
thomaseeno
No joke. I admit that I am exactly where I am today because of the people around me.
Cheomesh
Same. And luck.
JustWantsToHelp
Because they do not understand, that although their own success is theirs, it stands on top the success of their parents.
JustWantsToHelp
And many times the critics do not understand this either.
SpruceCaboose
Because it's less about the help and more about the opportunities. It's more about certain doors opening than success having been handed 1/2
SpruceCaboose
to them. They still worked hard, and so they don't recognize the immense opportunity granted by their relatively privileged life 2/2
smaug777000
because everyone has help
bienmenso
It's either pride or obliviousness.
NeilYoungwillonedayberelevant
Often because they don't realise just how important it was for them.
Kangarou
It implies you owe someone, and people don't like to share their success, or feel guilt over not doing so.
sciencekitty521
When it's always been there, it's not "help," it's just "using your connections." It took humans a while to realize oxygen existed too.
Captainplanetmotherfucker
Because they feel like they earned where they got and they shouldn't have to give back.
xthetenth
Don't know. Was an interesting conversation explaining to my dad that it's because I appreciate what was there for me that I want it for all
16and0bears
Thats super cool. It will never be there for everyone, but we can try.
xthetenth
Sometimes it doesn't even take much. Sometimes it takes a lot, but even from a cold calculating perspective we underinvest in people.
MusculusSternocleidomastoideus
2/ achieved the same things without their help. 2/2
xthetenth
Don't know. Was an interesting conversation explaining to my dad that it's because I appreciate what was there for me that I want it for all
lowkeybrotherofthor
I'll be the first person to tell you that any success I've ever had is not my own, but a culmination of work put in by many.
chloramphenicolderivative
You don't think about money when you have it. Goes for pretty much everything.
afriendofmine
No idea. It's not like it removes from my own effort to admit that I lucked out in life's lottery, even if I wasn't born into a gazillion
afriendofmine
dollar familly. But it's common to hear stories about people 'doing it all on their own', like Richard here.
Hassanian
Because they don't want to help anyone else.
Hassanian
That's ALL it is
JosefTheFritzl
If I spent any sig. amount of time thinking about how little responsibility I had for my success, I'd hate myself more than I do now.
boomslander
The band Dawes has a song that says "most people don't think about how lucky they are", and it's very true. I had an emotional 1/?
boomslander
conversation with a homeless man in his late twenties (same age as me). I asked him why he was homeless and he said alcohol issues. 2/?
boomslander
In talking with him I became incredibly grateful for the people I have in my life. I have made many poor decisions, but I have a good 3/?
boomslander
group of people around me that will pull me back on track if I start to stray. I'm not where I am because I'm special or above anyone 4/?
boomslander
else. I am where I am due in large part to the incredible people I have in my life. Not acknowledging blessings such as these is terribly 5/
Fleashosio
Because im scared that people will think less of me for it.
kerms
Because it's always said in a passive-aggressive way.
hardytardigrade
I think it's human nature. The only thing you control are your own decisions, so that's what you attribute results to.
Dispari
The only way to keep pushing the idea that everyone needs to earn everything they have is to pretend all successful people had to do that.
unaligned1
It might be who you interact with because most of the people I know know they have a good support network & are incredibly thankful for it.
jimmycarrsweirdlaugh
That would be the point. The privileged ones often don't see how they were helped along the way. Some do and they are usually awesome.
AIistairHennessey
When you grow up like that it's just normal so they don't see it.
Masterofdisgust
I think this was explained by.. Oh I don't know. EVERY EPISODE OF BREAKING BAD.
16and0bears
This is my own private donicile and i will not be disturbed, BITCH
theManTheyCalledJayne
It makes them look less cool and badass. "I made these millions dad gave me myself!" wait what
ArniePye
I like to think I'm where I am off my own hard work. But I had a home and a family and so I got a head start. It was still me that worked.
bart2pl
"let's show 2 polar opposites and pretend that ALL cases lookes like that"
doombird
Those aren't polar opposites, no one is pretending what you suggest, they reflect a broad spectrum if you have a shred of subtlety
ThurmanMunsonDisease
My parents took care of me the whole way and I couldn't be more thankful. I know the Paula's out there and I respect them so much.
Kormath
Same here, and while I wasn't handed everything, I realized years later how fortunate I was. Just the attention given made a difference.
TheThingThatPeopleNeverTalkAbout
Yep I've been nurturned entire life being rich and all. Atleast im not an asshole bout it.
TheThingThatPeopleNeverTalkAbout
Im just damn lucky
16and0bears
Hard is the problem. 2/2
TheThingThatPeopleNeverTalkAbout
I agree
16and0bears
Yeah, theres nothing wrong with that at all, and peoplr should be proud of coming from that, but telling the poor they just arent working1/2
TheBasementNerd
People don't want to be blamed, especially when they know something is wrong
MusculusSternocleidomastoideus
There is nothing wrong with getting help from your parents.
TheBasementNerd
You know that. I know that. Someone else who doesn't know that might not want to seem like a douche
MusculusSternocleidomastoideus
I do admit that I am lucky with my parents and their help, but I won't admit that all I achieved is only bc of them. I am sure I would've 1/
BrazilianThunderPanda
Pride.
TTurambarsGurthang
Just because you had a better start doesn't mean you shouldn't feel pride in all your hard work.
TheLordLucifersBannedAccount02
Both A and B
jacb007
maybe cause so many people hate on people who have had help...
kattpappan
Because its so natural to them they might not even get the difference.
jmw150
Technically every human being had help. It is really besides the point. You can't do anything about your past and it helps no one to compare
roostertree
B/c they romanticize the BS notion that "every man is an island," one they get to on roads built by not-them, and paid for by all.
CharlesFuckingBronson
Help is bad. (2)
CharlesFuckingBronson
Individualist culture discourages people asking for help, getting help, giving help and admitting they had help. If greed is good (1)
IamAsha
Because they have been taught that they are entitled, and that it's not the same as "help."
cmsport2
I had help. A ton of it and I'm embarrassed because of it. Many people work harder for less than I. I feel awful, useless, and spoiled.
Dipityseren
I think that's silly. You can't help advantages, esp if advantages include a loving supporting family. I think the post is more for the 1
Dipityseren
Mitt Romneys of the world, who honestly believe to their core that all the advantages they received have no part in their own success.
SAWhowhatnow
aware of it, but there's no need to be ashamed, that's not the point. Just being empathetic and willing to help others is enough. [2]
SAWhowhatnow
You can't help that you were born into good circumstance any more than others can help being born into bad ones. It's great that you're [1]
whothehellareyou
Bc when you're told "you're priviliged" you hear "you're safe from suffering and challenges". Misunderstanding, even if ppl tend to mix both
whothehellareyou
Also, i personally felt ad each time someone told me that, bc it made me feel guilty, like when you tell a white American that he doesn't 1
whothehellareyou
know what being a slave or being nuked feels like 2
xthetenth
Privilege for me wasn't immunity from challenges, it was support and time to deal with them.
Anfalicious
I would've been homeless half a dozen times if it wasn't for my family.
xthetenth
I'm really glad that's a would've not a was. Best of luck now and in the future.
Anfalicious
Thanks for the support total stranger, you're alright :) I hope you have a wonderful day today :)
whothehellareyou
And also, like everyone says, took me a long time to actually notice how lucky i was, even though my ex-poor parents told me how much i was.
zeronial
It's a psychological mechanism to protect the ego and sustain a positive view of oneself. Source: I'm a social psychologist.
ROBOT120807
Reminds me of that test where people played monopoly with massive money advantages and claimed they deserved their wins.
zeronial
It's also related to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_attribution_error
EverythingThatFallsToTheGroundIsMine
Isn't it also to stay in the spotlight? People would be less impressed and care less if you revealed all your handouts.
zeronial
For some but it is more important to fool oneself into believing in ones own superior qualities. Self-esteem breeds respect from others.
YamatoIouko
No wonder my ego is so weak! XD
Gatadata
i may need to see a psychologist some more and think a few things over
WheresTheKeyForMyCBT
Also, people don't like giving to people who have been given to, so if you want something, dont appear to have been given anything.
StonedLikeACheatingMuslimWoman
So why are the self made men the worst? I equate it to someone who had difficulty learning to swim kicking people into the pool.
PhilosophicalGinger
@zeronial was rather eloquent there, and it may also be that it's more likely people who openly identify as "Self-Made" are selfish.
zeronial
There are pretty much "no self made men". We are all the sum of our surroundings mixed with just a little bit of individual influence.
xthetenth
I'd say that the more they overcame the more they tie self-esteem into overcoming it and/or having a warped perspective on broader trends.
itsamazing
they all had help, just not necessarily help they noticed. The luck of getting a good rental spot in the city when the next week they-
itsamazing
-would only have found small out of the way rental areas available. A delivery that came on time to complete a vital order instead of delays
itsamazing
no illness in the family to sap their resources, no insurance company admin error that made a mess of their claim after a fire
PolarHailStorm
Now use your education and experience to explain why I have cherophobia/aversion to happiness!
TastyBrainMeats
Do you associate it with bad things down the line?
zeronial
Sorry, I'm just a scientist, not a miracleworker. :o
PolarHailStorm
Well, fuck!
TastyBrainMeats
Do you associate it with bad things down the line?
DogitheWallcrusher
around you. It's not terminal, but it can take a while to sort out -- We'll start this way: You look nice, today.
PolarHailStorm
Unfortunately you're wrong on several points about me here. Was a good shot at surface-skimming psychology though, I'll credit you for that!
DogitheWallcrusher
own happiness, as it means you are not doing all you can to help others be happy. In essence, you sacrifice your own happiness for those
DogitheWallcrusher
You have an aversion to happiness because you have shit self-esteem. You hold others in higher regard than your own, and thus fear your
louster
Ever since realising as a kid that my brain did things like this, I have not been able to trust myself. Kinda suspect it's why I'm a mess.
IgnisErus
hey me too! glad im not the only one
xthetenth
It's a really strange vertiginous feeling in my experience to work through cognitive bias.
PaperElemental
People who were smart kids unite!
zeronial
Funnily enough, we don't even truly know ourselves because we are constantly changing and our memories play tricks on us. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
qwicksilfer
We're all a mess. Some people are just better at hiding it :)
potshot
The thing is, while there are exceptions, incompetence doesn't rise. These people are actually competent. They just had more opportunity (1)
potshot
to make use of that competence and succeed. However, from their point of view, THEY did it, not someone else.(2)
SAWhowhatnow
Incompetence rises all the time. How do you think once successful companies turn to shit overnight?
potshot
That's why I said exceptions. Besides, companies can go to shit while under competent management. Mistakes can be made even by competence.
potshot
To be more on point, competence isn't infallibility. Crowd bias can affect even competent managers, and when things are going great, (1)
potshot
flaws can be overlooked and forgotten about, and they only show themselves once things turn sour. At that point, they are harder to fix.(2)
WhattaMattahYou
might be that they were unaware that they had help other folks don't have access to
Kerrus
it's usually a turtles all the way down thing- oh sure, my parents helped me, but they worked to get there, and now I'm working to get here.
Kerrus
and if you go back a generation it's the same all the way back.
tylertimetimetime
I know, it is like the main point of the comic.
wyldcard
It's like the reverse of that hitler quote about eroding rights by a thousand tiny ways. Till they don't noticed they have gone.
Thankyouhaveaniceday
Yes! This comment
kahokkuri
This was definitely me. It took meeting a diverse group of people in college--some better off and some worse--to understand my situation.
WhattaMattahYou
Found myself in a similar situation - College is great for showing you the diversity of life and experience. Also for huge crushing debt.
ImanerdDontjudgeme
Should I feel bad for coming from a well off family then?
chillin223
No. Just be aware and don't work against things that provide more oppertunities.
superwife
not at all! It's a real leg up, as long as you don't take it for granted for even a single second. Do well, and seek out ways to help others
NurietaGM
Absolutelt not. But you should be aware of that privilege and not buying the "if you didn't make it it's because you're lazy".
revcleo
And that's the crux of sociological privilege. Such as monetary, white, male, able-bodied, cisgender, and straight privileges.
6footdildo
shhhh, this is imgur. if you bring that up, you'll be 'GO BACK TO TO TUMBLR'd.
revcleo
Haha, people understand more all the time. Check my "worst comments", though those were on a gator populated post..
6footdildo
jesus, u were attacked for saying "You can have more privilege in one area, but less in another." smh...
NateintheNorth
I am a 25 y.o. WASP. I made minimum wage until last year. I understand that I had an easier childhood. Things are still tough. Can't imagine
NateintheNorth
what it's like for people who had less. I honestly don't think I could handle it.
revcleo
Yeah, it's basically. "Things may be shit for you... but imagine you're a black gay muslim."
CeriCat
The basic rule of life, there's always someone worse off than yourself.
watercolortitties
But people go apeshit at "check your privilege". As a person who grew up with less than most it's sad what people take for granted.
rowtuh
The older article "Straight White Male: The Lowest Difficulty Setting There Is" is really good at circumventing this, I always enjoy it :p
revcleo
People misunderstand the term privilege and think if their life isn't perfect they've not been subject to privilege. It's about comparison.
itsamazing
Only struggles anyone has ever lived are their own. Can't know that your life was harder, they think 'I had hard times too you know'
SAWhowhatnow
race, sex, orientation, ect. It doesn't mean you have to apologize for them, necessarily, just be aware. [3]
PTKrieg
In principle, yes. In practice, there are those (especially online) who use the concept as a blunt instrument. Less a tool, more a weapon.
SAWhowhatnow
objective look at your life and realizing that yes, you did have certain advantages that others did not because of differences in [2]
SAWhowhatnow
To add to what revcleo said, people also misunderstand what the phrase itself means. Checking your privilege just means taking an [1]