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WhosJoe
Why are the coast guard and department of energy investigating the election?
Mewmus
yeah, this post is fucking stupid
wizardofkek
TIL the Coast Guard is an intelligence agency
Jmoc12
It does have one, it's pretty sizable. It mostly handles internal intelligence matters, but did report that something funky was going on.
Mock300
Ah yes, the highly covert Coast Guard intelligence service.. If it wasn't for them, we'd all be serving [redacted] but I've said too much..
BoatswainsMate
Just bc you don't know much about it doesn't mean it isn't there. I have a lot of drug busts under my belt because of their intelligence
jnoahj
I work in a CG Command Center and our IS shop almost exclusively gets drug/migrant related intel. Can't imagine Putin being involved in that
ReasonablyInsane
2. IDK if that's still the case for you guys, but she always had some interesting stories from the experience
But that might be what he wants me to think.
Aunt was very high ranking officer in the CG, and was constantly advising for Bush and other agencies on cyber terrorism
NotoriousLurker365
It would be a first the american gov/agency's ever lied to us... condemnation without investigation is the bliss of ignorance
Zellacat
Refusing to Fact Check is just begging to be fooled & used.
BenjaminBecerra
The same agencies that said Iraq had wmd's and the same agencies that lied to us about Vietnam. So yeah. The secret here is to be informed
nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnm
One second you are an outdoor for listening to them, the next your not. I mean they told us prism want a thing. Lol
madetheaccountjustforyou
Did you have a stroke, or are you just typing on a phone without proofreading before hitting "post"?
2nd option. I'm still not used to this Google keyboard. It doesn't just correct your errors, it flat out replaces words.
SashoWindfeather
I've been bringing up the Iraq things for weeks. People forget quickly
root1657
They didn't forget, they are too young to remember...
No, I'm talking about the talking heads on the news lol
FauxErsatz
They don't forget either, remember most of those news agencies supported the Iraq war until it became unpopular.
PerhapsAnotherPerspective
...What? "Most news agencies" neither "supported" nor were "against" the war. They reported on it. Where did you see them explicitly endorse
Tomadzo
No. It was the interpretation of the intelligence presented to them. Bush admin cherry picked data and ignored qualifiers
InADayOrSo
I think that's what makes that seen in South Park about identifying Saddam's WMD plants in heaven so funny.
OutOfScope
Which is what is happening here as well. NBC reporting conclusions before the report is done is "making shit up"
mathematicant
There are too many agencies
kbellx9
I guess this means that Oswald was the lone shooter and fired the magic bullet
Jupman
Yea...no they a proven liers too.
MrGoodbottom
Wait, I'm not sure my...friend gets this. Can someone explain...to my friend.
kuzvo240
Several intelligence agencies of the US came out with a couple reports that said Russia had interfered with our election process, and 1/3
People are being skeptical of the trustworthiness of the US government. Although, both recent reports came with disclaimers 2/3
snowman520182
When all the agencies have a rich history of duplicitous behaviour and outright lies, a healthy dose of skepticism is warranted.
ZeRootOfAllEvil
Luckily Russia is free from such behaviour, Comrade
robotzombies
Skepticism, yes. Disbelieving without even attempting to understand the allegations or their sources, no.
nanonator
Also, I'm not going to trust a salesman-turned-politician, especially after the way he and his staff acted at the press conference.
mechanicalchaos
Do we get to apply this to Hillary's emails and pretend those didn't happen?
ImMrbulldops
Hey! The CIA has never done anything sketchy
Yeah, the Iran Contra affair was totally legit, guys!
Belzuboss
zarkingphoton
I just think it's funny that after 50 years of meddling with and installing their own puppets, the CIA gets a taste of it's own medicine.
And throws a temper tantrum over it. The irony is palpable to say the least.
TheDarkLordOfTrees
Nuh-uh! I saw a picture that was sketched by a CIA agent so I know you're lying!
TOASTEngineer
Someone found a russian virus on a power plant's computer (that the janitor was watching pron on)!
borkdabasher
it's not like the US has used outright lies to start wars in the past or anything...oh wait.
VerticalInfinity
Well Damn. It's okay then. I shall tell the masses. "EVERYONE, LAWS ARE POINTLESS NOW!"
Torenico
We will never forget about Salvador Allende. That's our special September 11.
EpiquePhael
TO HELL WITH SPAIN REMEMBER THE MAINE
hypnokrote
Not defending US, but everybody does it. Doesn't make it right though of course
NOINITIATIVE
Even Iraq was based of German intel from their informant named "Curveball", which was passed on to U.K.'s MI6 and then on to the U.S.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
I don't think "everybody" does, actually. Some others do, and all of them are just as wrong.
of course it's just the US have built an economy around it and will prob end up killing us all in global nuclear holocaust longterm.
GaySpacePirate
I don't believe Russia is behind shit, but frankly, I don't trust the intelligence agencies. I want them to show their evidence first.
Seriously. Both recent intelligence reports came with disclaimers (???). The ICA report had a disclaimer hidden in the appendix that (1/2)
literally says ''Judgements are not intended to imply that we have proof that shows something to be a fact''
I respect them for at least admitting that. It's the media I'm mostly mad at for transmitting everything they say as fact. But still 1/2
I wouldn't trust the US intel agencies to hold onto a nickel for me after the shit Snowden put out.
TheZulthar
What's even happening just now
FlintstonesChewableMorphine
Some kinda of pissing contest or something. It's just white noise now a days
RockerFoxes
The alphabet soup agencies want people to believe Russia Gov hacked/influenced the election when there is no proof or hard facts presented.
hidingintheback
As an intelligence specialist I can say that it can, and does happen. More than you'd like to think.
Krankenwagen606
Now look. It is the obama admin who was colluding with russia.
SpecialAgentSmecker
More importantly, their history isn't exactly a spotless record of integrity and honesty with the American public.
The ICA report's disclaimer literally said ''Judgements are not intended to imply that we have proof that shows something to be a fact''
Luciuslucullus
Thank you, random commenter on the internet. In the future, I'll come to Mr. Intelligence Specialist when I'll need to know the truth.
Haha! Nice one!
jetstreaminfinity
be careful for the next few weeks
xenburnn
true enough, the pieces fit together pretty easy on this one though
Haiddon
the fact that they tacked Russian conspiracy onto a fanfic that originated on 4chan makes me more than a bit skeptical
sexymeetzey
No they dont, read the report for yourself, the evidence is non-existant. All non-gov cybersec firms are demanding actual proof.
FireatWill
Yea thats not true. Didn't CNN put out an apology for printing the story? I've been trying to figure it out to no avail
Mack1986
Intel specialist?
simplefishy
Or AMD specialist. We're talking about computers right?
Okay. An intelligence analyst with a speciality. Better?
tOWERoFjOY
You guys hiring?
Much. Sorry saying it the other way screams bullshit artist
ballsohard2202
That's literally our job title tho..
Yeah. I see that.
But that's our job title?
ComradeQuestionx
Oh look. A retard.
HypnoChanger
The problem, as I know it, is that none of what the Russians may have produced is being challenged as FALSE. The thing being argued is 1/
That's what made me mad about HRC's defense after the final wave of email leaks. Now the MSM is arbitrarily labeling things as "fake news"
that we should disregard it because it was from the Russians. That's blatant Ad Hominem. The Russians just leaked the emails. They did 2/
not write them. That they happen to benefit from the truth right now does not make the truth less true.
BirbJammin
Jesus fuck thank you! People are so fucking hypocritical. If the emails were about Kim Jong Un not a single fuck would care who leaked them.
digitiliad
Thank you.
Chimichanga007
Why is this such a difficult concept for so many peyote?
I think part of the problem is the fact that, even if no email is faked, that doesn't mean selective dissemination of information cannot 1/
Popspoppingit
TIL I should believe things with no evidence.
Right? Both recent intelligence agency's reports contained disclaimers...
DaedaIus
The best report I've seen effectively said "Russians did this kind of stuff in the 80s. They'd probably do it now. Sneaky Russians"
EducatedKitten
Except that the Buzzfeed report everyone's quoting is unverified by ANY agency. Info was dug up by a private firm hired to track Trump.
The CIA/FBI/etc have only confirmed that Russia was involved in the DNC email phishing. They have said nothing about the Buzzfeed report.
pvtwestbrook86
Most of those aren't intelligence agencies.
FezezAreCool
https://www.quora.com/Why-does-the-US-have-so-many-different-intelligence-agencies
Mojojoejoejoejoe
They all have intelligence departments
SepticStorm
that get most of their information from other intelligence agencies.
maythedoctorbewithyou
No, they all actually collect their own info and share between the other agencies. Hence why they all have intel departments. 1/2
well yes they do collect info, but a major part of what the do is compile information from various sources, and determine how its important
to them.
b00r0wa
Why the fuck is there 17 agencies dealing with Russian misinformation... What a fucking waste of money.
There not, it was an independent agency, and probably cyber command. And maybe like one onther group.
PotentPutin
The funny thing is nobody is actually credible anymore. I don't believe the government or the news.
US government was not created for citizens to BELIEVE, it was to be of & for citizens to OWN (monitor like any business you want to keep).
Says "PotentPutin"
impulsespeed37
Yeah, I saw this movie once before...it was called the war in Iraq.
dietderpsy
Bush had a family feud with Saddam and used it as an excuse. I watched that speech live and just thought that the intelligence was outdated
Saddam had that stuff years ago and it was destroyed. I also opposed it because a war on two fronts is a bad idea.
TheUpdootist
Right, so take everything with a grain of salt. I know you haven't, but am just saying: outright disregard of information such as this is 1
Just as folly-some as outright belief. 2
pallentx
So because we relied on bad sources once, we might as well dissolve the entire intelligence community because we will never believe them
MiguelCardoso808
That was the sequel . The original was "Iraq War I :Desert Storm" they called just "Desert Storn" back then .
IThoughtIWasGoingToHaveAShortNormalNameButTheOneIWantedWasTaken
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDHsaUsDJ-E
LeTheBIGDOGeat
Talk shit get hit, Saddam
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xheroth
Have you actually read the reports that the CIA releases? They don't have any evidence other than speculation on how a phishing scam did it.
No, actually I don't believe Trump...but I also know that some of the news on the other side is full of BS too. I don't know how much.
BlastTheStrongestHero
They're making a sequel soon!
Pass
Starring Russia!
SexPenguinWhoreNunToTheArchdoiceseAndOligarchy
It's actually been in production on the DL since the first one came out
noforeplay
Ugh, I wish they'd stop putting out so many sequels. I want an original war!
jsktrogdor
Large parts of the intelligence community where opposed to the Iraq War. They were ignored. This is not the case in this situation.
lucky13kenny
"in this situation". OP hasn't even said what he's babbling about.
That is true, even the UN inspectors we ignored. And they were the ones checking the production sites.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downing_Street_memo
deimosVII
It wouldn't matter. This is post-factual America where feelings and opinions matter more than hard evidence
NoLongerFoamingWolffo
While I completely agree with you, I hate to say... America has pretty much always been like there. There's just better news coverage now.
AphroditesDimples
Like this wasn't the way humans always were. They killed Socrates for making too much sense.
Whenlifegivesyoulemonsthrowthematpeople
We have lived like that for a long time. It is what happens when we let our political leanings govern what we believe is true.
friedmice17
I hate this crap. People have always been dumb. Its not feelings or opinions its that news outlets don't vet their stories before running.
Secsletariat
I disagree that we're post-fact. Rather, I think we never cared much for fact, but now it's obvious because fact-checking is so much easier.
(I mean this for people in general around the world. There will always be people who do care, just a lot more that don't.)
Hannya
That's literally the entirety of American history..
We now decide what is truth based on who said it, not the content itself.
MoonStuck1
We would all slowly die if that were the case
MarekS
Feels, not reals
railgap
And hearing what we want to hear from people we trust because they say the things we want to hear...
IAmNotVeryCleverAtAll
thatclimbingguy
Funny how that is not only happening in the US but in Europe as well. We got the word "postfaktisch" aka post-factual for it in germany
Skornish
Where is the evidence?
EdmondAlmond
Thanks, Obama!
gakbag
Can we stop saying that and take steps to fix it? Like I'm open to suggestions and shit.
SudoNimm
And also, what facts have been presented? I'm not saying Russia didnt do these things, but no *actual* evidence has even been shown.
macdeezy
Follower of Milo ?
Post-truth is Oxford Dictionaries' Word of the Year 2016.
THEThadJarvis
As John Oliver said, "Oh shit you just brought feelings to a fact fight."
intashu
I read it on the Internet. It must be true. Let me base my opinion strongly on a meme I saw one and argue about it.
SteelFuelCantMeltBeamJets
Seth Rich was the DNC leaker. Podesta fell for a phishing scam. Asange said a 14 year old could have hacked his emails
TwinkleTwinkleLittleShit
As a german, Im afraid that youre not the only country with exactly that problem. Its a global problem. Lack of trust in science. but 1/2
as an engineer I have to say, science has a big PR Problem. Even at uni it took me unnecessary long to understand the importance of it. 1/2
apercent
Scientists never were really excepted until years later, then people go wow those guys were geniuses
1.Unfortunately, science authorities often depend on political support & have become politicized instead of factual & logical. Climategate
is only 1 example of this subversion of science. Most scientists depend on grants from government & politician's political agendas. :-(
What about climategate? Everything is politicized these days
Not just on the high level. On the low lvl too many good scientists are horrible on the social and teaching scale.
xmaneds
I wish you were wrong ! ! !
yoruichisan
They are if you believe hard enough
LookingForWorkInColorado
I feel he is.
Nice
FrankieF
I see what you did there
I feel it, so it must be true. Sad!
aselfdefeatingattitude
I remember watching Newt Gingrich talk about how bad the economy is and how unemployment was skyrocketing. The interviewer brought up
figures to show that isn't true and things were actually getting better. Newt's response was "well that's not what I or many other people
feel" and that's a perfect example of how things are now. Facts are beaten by feelings.
RichardDWinters
Perfect example: https://youtu.be/xnhJWusyj4I
ninmonkey
In the case of politicians that behavior is nothing new
dharey94
Well to be fair the use of the unemployment stats doesnt count people not looking for work or seeking unemployment benefits.
It's still a sign unemployment is going down.
inkpod
The metrics have been the same for decades. The same standards are used. Unemployment is at a 40 year low, markets are strong, GDP is up.
A more accurate number is the dept of labors people not in the work force which is a record high.
Almost 95 Million Americans are not in the workforce. This is anyone 16+. Here's the link https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS15000000
http://fortune.com/2015/02/04/unemployment-rate-gallup/
...No, that's not "more accurate" at all. Of course labor force participation is going down, birth rates have been low and the baby- 1/
boomers are retiring (hence leaving the labor force). That process has been accelerated by the rebounding stock market post recession. 2/
As an economist, it's really important that these sorts of things are understood. 3/3
clutch2999
Buzzfeed is my favorite intelligence agency
Betanaut
I have a feeling Twitter is really your favorite intelligence agency.
theresgarlicinthatnebula
As long as you can tell the difference between them an CNN...
cerulee
There's a difference?
...airtime?
I'm pretty sure Buzzfeed is counter-intelligence.
Thatllbuffrightout
The real question is why do we need 17 intelligence agencies...
HodorFirstOfHisName
Each one spies on different people. CIA is the commies, NSA is Americans, etc
eion85
http://www.quora.com/Why-does-the-US-have-so-many-different-intelligence-agencies
Obietrice
Some of these aren't intelligence agencies.
Each one of these has parts that do intelligence analysis. Including the treasury, yes.
Don't know why you are being downvoted. You are very correct. Although I'd argue 16 since the USMC is actually under Naval Intelligence.
Easier to shrug shoulders and say they did it wrong not us.
FilthyRedmond
Russia didn't hack or influence our elections. The democrats lost because Hillary was an awful, corrupt candidate. Her emails proved it.
Both of the recent intelligence reports on Russian hacking have included disclaimers.
And if Russia did "hack" our election, the democrats should probably focus on getting better security...
CrestFallenWarrior
From what I understand Hillary was grossly negligent when it came to classified intelligence.
I thought it was funny how only one person proposed that Russia directly altered election results and Podesta told him it was bullshit.
Ya, The ICA report's disclaimer literally said ''Judgements are not intended to imply that we have proof that shows something to be a fact''
wittiw
I've heard /pol/ started it with a fake legal document. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=108lsb4EFRQ
thatswildman
Yeah, but to Donald Trump? The guy who made his fortune gutting dotcoms?
Enemy states always try to hack. That is why we have security rules. Like the ones Hillary ignored & the DNC refused to listen to warnings,
grumpatsurrisrex
This isn't about the election anymore. We have a credible source with claims that need to be taken seriously by the President Elect.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/fbi-director-james-comey-to-testify-before-congress-1484044204
James Comey is the same guy who kept flip flopping whether to investigate Hillary's emails. And besides, the info we did get was stuff we...
(2) That is not the same as "flip flopping". His mistake was going public before the election, although if he hadn't he would have been
Deserved to know. About how she has a "public and private position" and her treatment of Bernie Sanders supporters.
(3) vilified after the election if Trump had lost.
False. He decided to investigate further when new emails tied to Anthony Weiner came to light, which he then deemed to be irrelevant.
And he did that right before the election. Coincidence?
No. But he was stuck in between a rock and a hard place. Wait until after the election and Republicans would have said he was withholding
Basically, he fucked up.
important information to benefit Hillary.
Republicans were also hacked
Could you support that with something we can verify please? Belief in rumors is asking to be fooled. We all need to fact check.
The FBI http://www.wsj.com/articles/fbi-director-james-comey-to-testify-before-congress-1484044204
Don't know why you're getting down voted. It's always good to ask for a source :)
Not when it goes against their political propaganda ploy. Those people hate honest questions & people who ask. Happens a lot here.
dmdcrafter
Apparently the Department of Energy investigates hacking attempts of foreign powers.
All of the intelligence community works together for the most part. Source: Intel specialist
The DOE are always charged and powered for a fight.
That department is just front for scientific investigations on wormholes and telekinesis you sheep.
Because part of their hacking was a power company in Vermont.
DrYoloMcSwagmasterIIIEsq
It was malware on a non-power system laptop, not hacking
You think malware isn't one of the most widely used tools for hacking?
WhyAreYouASmugBellend
I head that was malware, like what Grampa gets after watching too much anime.
My grampa doesn't watch anime he watches granime.
LOL
As a USMC veteran, I would exactly call the USMC an "intelligence agency".
Doucey
Real name no gimmicks.
Perovskite
"I would exactly call"
TakWriterOfWorlds
As a US Ay veteran, I agree.
OneCoolFrood
"Army lmao"
Ihadacookie
As active usmc I would also have to agree
gingerbreadmau5
I'm sorry to hear you got stationed with ASVAB waivers and never deployed.
Good one, never heard that before
Azaldi
USAF veteran I spent more time working with NSA and DoH officials than DoD.
holycrapwhy
MARINE (Muscles Are Required Intelligence Not Essential). Haha not true though
ImmortalLoveRodd
My Ass Rides In Navy Equipment, Sir
Jinxboy
Real name, no gimmicks!
agermanguy
Cheomesh
You know. Force Recon.
breakfastburner
Thanks for reminding me that Obie trice is the man. Love that guy. Are you him? If so I Love you.
SethKur
Muscles Are Required, Intelligence Not Expected?
SOMETHlNGODD
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PoliticalWanderer
Muscles Are Required, Intelligence Not Essential?
greencookiemonster
Force Recon?
TropicLightning
Lol
12GaPoopRockets
I was JUST about to say that lol. You sound like a lance corporal lol.
Cpl. Past tense.
Makinganaccountnameisannoying
Agreed. -Doc.
hateurfacetoo
Ah the S-2, PowerPoint kings.
MornieAlantie
My experience with S2: Powerpoint on every IED to hit route 1 in Afghanistan in the last 7 years. Me: "Yes, that's the same as last week 1/2
save for 2 dots. In the same hot spots as last week. And the weeks before. Thanks for the fresh intel, S-2!" 2/2
buttstuffpirate
"Don't just brief me the weather, brief me on how the weather is going to affect my mission" -Every commander to every S2 ever
RideTheTiger
Met a guy who wanted to join the Marines who got a 6 on his ASVAB.
TheDuke0fHazzard
Too bad he only scored high enough for Army infantry.
gad885
Hey i have a hard time writing my name on the line sometimes too
You're probably great at military stuff, but you're bad at typing.
This is true.
malbec
Or the Military got to his comment first...
EricFromAccounts
Oh my god it goes all the way to the top
KillerTofu615
Retired Marine here (that had high level clearances), you'd be amazed at the "intelligence" that comes on the wire.
joeynew
Yea but military intel is not geared toward identifying international propaganda.
WWisLife
You are very wrong my friend.
You'd be amazed. Seriously. It goes from "there's a guy in a hole at these coordinates" to "Osama bin laden possible sighting" (regarding1/2
the same person). 2/2
Less Intel. More brake things.
I see we are kin in the art of typing.
Thatd be tru
gorgosaurusrex
*break
Sure
Marine Vet here too, I'm surprised you never knew about the 02xx field (Intelligence) Like 0211 - CI/HUMINT, which is in a sense is spy shit
Yeah but I doubt the USMC is looking into the validity of trump taking golden showers...
I think this was moreso referring to the Russian involvement in the recent election.
AntonioStark
Hey. You motherfuckers can tell us exactly how to break something. So there's that.
sclev
And which crayon tastes best. It's purple, btw.
God bless you guys (and gals).
FrostTide
My sister says red is good
I prefer green....olive drab green.
I do agree that olive drab tastes amazing but it reminds me too much of the green weenie and I can't finish a whole one without puking.
SugarSmack
Its the agency of Marine Corps Intelligence Activity. Each military branch has its own. The US actually has 17 different int. agencies.
I learned about them on NPR. http://www.npr.org/2017/01/10/509086405/heads-of-4-u-s-spy-agencies-to-appear-before-senate-panel-on-russia
TheLannistersSendALovelyFruitBasket
Used to have a lot more too, but most were just folded into existing ones.
gablestout
The others are the Office of Naval Intelligence, 25th Air Force, Intelligence and Security Command (Army), and Coast Guard Intelligence
Salmonthegreat
France is bacon
there are at least two different jokes hidden in your comment . . . .
OlafJS
And I understood neither
Hahaha god damn phone...
AngriestViking
Is that your real name no gimmic?
AndyBlacksmith
Go look outside, are there two trailer park girls?
I think that makes the joke even better :D
zeemode
It does. It is the only reason I am in this deep in the comment
We must go deeper...
WhosJoe
Why are the coast guard and department of energy investigating the election?
Mewmus
yeah, this post is fucking stupid
wizardofkek
TIL the Coast Guard is an intelligence agency
Jmoc12
It does have one, it's pretty sizable. It mostly handles internal intelligence matters, but did report that something funky was going on.
Mock300
Ah yes, the highly covert Coast Guard intelligence service.. If it wasn't for them, we'd all be serving [redacted] but I've said too much..
BoatswainsMate
Just bc you don't know much about it doesn't mean it isn't there. I have a lot of drug busts under my belt because of their intelligence
jnoahj
I work in a CG Command Center and our IS shop almost exclusively gets drug/migrant related intel. Can't imagine Putin being involved in that
ReasonablyInsane
2. IDK if that's still the case for you guys, but she always had some interesting stories from the experience
jnoahj
But that might be what he wants me to think.
ReasonablyInsane
Aunt was very high ranking officer in the CG, and was constantly advising for Bush and other agencies on cyber terrorism
NotoriousLurker365
It would be a first the american gov/agency's ever lied to us... condemnation without investigation is the bliss of ignorance
Zellacat
Refusing to Fact Check is just begging to be fooled & used.
BenjaminBecerra
The same agencies that said Iraq had wmd's and the same agencies that lied to us about Vietnam. So yeah. The secret here is to be informed
nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnm
One second you are an outdoor for listening to them, the next your not. I mean they told us prism want a thing. Lol
madetheaccountjustforyou
Did you have a stroke, or are you just typing on a phone without proofreading before hitting "post"?
nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnm
2nd option. I'm still not used to this Google keyboard. It doesn't just correct your errors, it flat out replaces words.
SashoWindfeather
I've been bringing up the Iraq things for weeks. People forget quickly
root1657
They didn't forget, they are too young to remember...
SashoWindfeather
No, I'm talking about the talking heads on the news lol
FauxErsatz
They don't forget either, remember most of those news agencies supported the Iraq war until it became unpopular.
PerhapsAnotherPerspective
...What? "Most news agencies" neither "supported" nor were "against" the war. They reported on it. Where did you see them explicitly endorse
Tomadzo
No. It was the interpretation of the intelligence presented to them. Bush admin cherry picked data and ignored qualifiers
InADayOrSo
I think that's what makes that seen in South Park about identifying Saddam's WMD plants in heaven so funny.
OutOfScope
Which is what is happening here as well. NBC reporting conclusions before the report is done is "making shit up"
mathematicant
There are too many agencies
kbellx9
I guess this means that Oswald was the lone shooter and fired the magic bullet
Jupman
Yea...no they a proven liers too.
MrGoodbottom
Wait, I'm not sure my...friend gets this. Can someone explain...to my friend.
kuzvo240
Several intelligence agencies of the US came out with a couple reports that said Russia had interfered with our election process, and 1/3
kuzvo240
People are being skeptical of the trustworthiness of the US government. Although, both recent reports came with disclaimers 2/3
snowman520182
When all the agencies have a rich history of duplicitous behaviour and outright lies, a healthy dose of skepticism is warranted.
ZeRootOfAllEvil
Luckily Russia is free from such behaviour, Comrade
robotzombies
Skepticism, yes. Disbelieving without even attempting to understand the allegations or their sources, no.
nanonator
Also, I'm not going to trust a salesman-turned-politician, especially after the way he and his staff acted at the press conference.
mechanicalchaos
Do we get to apply this to Hillary's emails and pretend those didn't happen?
ImMrbulldops
Hey! The CIA has never done anything sketchy
InADayOrSo
Yeah, the Iran Contra affair was totally legit, guys!
Belzuboss
zarkingphoton
I just think it's funny that after 50 years of meddling with and installing their own puppets, the CIA gets a taste of it's own medicine.
InADayOrSo
And throws a temper tantrum over it. The irony is palpable to say the least.
TheDarkLordOfTrees
Nuh-uh! I saw a picture that was sketched by a CIA agent so I know you're lying!
TOASTEngineer
Someone found a russian virus on a power plant's computer (that the janitor was watching pron on)!
borkdabasher
it's not like the US has used outright lies to start wars in the past or anything...oh wait.
VerticalInfinity
Well Damn. It's okay then. I shall tell the masses. "EVERYONE, LAWS ARE POINTLESS NOW!"
Torenico
We will never forget about Salvador Allende. That's our special September 11.
EpiquePhael
TO HELL WITH SPAIN REMEMBER THE MAINE
hypnokrote
Not defending US, but everybody does it. Doesn't make it right though of course
NOINITIATIVE
Even Iraq was based of German intel from their informant named "Curveball", which was passed on to U.K.'s MI6 and then on to the U.S.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
I don't think "everybody" does, actually. Some others do, and all of them are just as wrong.
borkdabasher
of course it's just the US have built an economy around it and will prob end up killing us all in global nuclear holocaust longterm.
GaySpacePirate
I don't believe Russia is behind shit, but frankly, I don't trust the intelligence agencies. I want them to show their evidence first.
kuzvo240
Seriously. Both recent intelligence reports came with disclaimers (???). The ICA report had a disclaimer hidden in the appendix that (1/2)
kuzvo240
literally says ''Judgements are not intended to imply that we have proof that shows something to be a fact''
GaySpacePirate
I respect them for at least admitting that. It's the media I'm mostly mad at for transmitting everything they say as fact. But still 1/2
GaySpacePirate
I wouldn't trust the US intel agencies to hold onto a nickel for me after the shit Snowden put out.
TheZulthar
What's even happening just now
FlintstonesChewableMorphine
Some kinda of pissing contest or something. It's just white noise now a days
RockerFoxes
The alphabet soup agencies want people to believe Russia Gov hacked/influenced the election when there is no proof or hard facts presented.
hidingintheback
As an intelligence specialist I can say that it can, and does happen. More than you'd like to think.
Krankenwagen606
Now look. It is the obama admin who was colluding with russia.
SpecialAgentSmecker
More importantly, their history isn't exactly a spotless record of integrity and honesty with the American public.
kuzvo240
The ICA report's disclaimer literally said ''Judgements are not intended to imply that we have proof that shows something to be a fact''
Luciuslucullus
Thank you, random commenter on the internet. In the future, I'll come to Mr. Intelligence Specialist when I'll need to know the truth.
hidingintheback
Haha! Nice one!
jetstreaminfinity
be careful for the next few weeks
xenburnn
true enough, the pieces fit together pretty easy on this one though
Haiddon
the fact that they tacked Russian conspiracy onto a fanfic that originated on 4chan makes me more than a bit skeptical
sexymeetzey
No they dont, read the report for yourself, the evidence is non-existant. All non-gov cybersec firms are demanding actual proof.
FireatWill
Yea thats not true. Didn't CNN put out an apology for printing the story? I've been trying to figure it out to no avail
Mack1986
Intel specialist?
simplefishy
Or AMD specialist. We're talking about computers right?
hidingintheback
Okay. An intelligence analyst with a speciality. Better?
tOWERoFjOY
You guys hiring?
Mack1986
Much. Sorry saying it the other way screams bullshit artist
ballsohard2202
That's literally our job title tho..
hidingintheback
Yeah. I see that.
ballsohard2202
But that's our job title?
ComradeQuestionx
Oh look. A retard.
HypnoChanger
The problem, as I know it, is that none of what the Russians may have produced is being challenged as FALSE. The thing being argued is 1/
InADayOrSo
That's what made me mad about HRC's defense after the final wave of email leaks. Now the MSM is arbitrarily labeling things as "fake news"
HypnoChanger
that we should disregard it because it was from the Russians. That's blatant Ad Hominem. The Russians just leaked the emails. They did 2/
HypnoChanger
not write them. That they happen to benefit from the truth right now does not make the truth less true.
BirbJammin
Jesus fuck thank you! People are so fucking hypocritical. If the emails were about Kim Jong Un not a single fuck would care who leaked them.
digitiliad
Thank you.
Chimichanga007
Why is this such a difficult concept for so many peyote?
PerhapsAnotherPerspective
I think part of the problem is the fact that, even if no email is faked, that doesn't mean selective dissemination of information cannot 1/
Popspoppingit
TIL I should believe things with no evidence.
kuzvo240
Right? Both recent intelligence agency's reports contained disclaimers...
DaedaIus
The best report I've seen effectively said "Russians did this kind of stuff in the 80s. They'd probably do it now. Sneaky Russians"
kuzvo240
The ICA report's disclaimer literally said ''Judgements are not intended to imply that we have proof that shows something to be a fact''
EducatedKitten
Except that the Buzzfeed report everyone's quoting is unverified by ANY agency. Info was dug up by a private firm hired to track Trump.
EducatedKitten
The CIA/FBI/etc have only confirmed that Russia was involved in the DNC email phishing. They have said nothing about the Buzzfeed report.
pvtwestbrook86
Most of those aren't intelligence agencies.
FezezAreCool
https://www.quora.com/Why-does-the-US-have-so-many-different-intelligence-agencies
Mojojoejoejoejoe
They all have intelligence departments
SepticStorm
that get most of their information from other intelligence agencies.
FezezAreCool
https://www.quora.com/Why-does-the-US-have-so-many-different-intelligence-agencies
maythedoctorbewithyou
No, they all actually collect their own info and share between the other agencies. Hence why they all have intel departments. 1/2
SepticStorm
well yes they do collect info, but a major part of what the do is compile information from various sources, and determine how its important
SepticStorm
to them.
b00r0wa
Why the fuck is there 17 agencies dealing with Russian misinformation... What a fucking waste of money.
Jupman
There not, it was an independent agency, and probably cyber command. And maybe like one onther group.
PotentPutin
The funny thing is nobody is actually credible anymore. I don't believe the government or the news.
Zellacat
US government was not created for citizens to BELIEVE, it was to be of & for citizens to OWN (monitor like any business you want to keep).
BlueStringsAttached
Says "PotentPutin"
Zellacat
US government was not created for citizens to BELIEVE, it was to be of & for citizens to OWN (monitor like any business you want to keep).
impulsespeed37
Yeah, I saw this movie once before...it was called the war in Iraq.
dietderpsy
Bush had a family feud with Saddam and used it as an excuse. I watched that speech live and just thought that the intelligence was outdated
dietderpsy
Saddam had that stuff years ago and it was destroyed. I also opposed it because a war on two fronts is a bad idea.
TheUpdootist
Right, so take everything with a grain of salt. I know you haven't, but am just saying: outright disregard of information such as this is 1
TheUpdootist
Just as folly-some as outright belief. 2
pallentx
So because we relied on bad sources once, we might as well dissolve the entire intelligence community because we will never believe them
MiguelCardoso808
That was the sequel . The original was "Iraq War I :Desert Storm" they called just "Desert Storn" back then .
IThoughtIWasGoingToHaveAShortNormalNameButTheOneIWantedWasTaken
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDHsaUsDJ-E
LeTheBIGDOGeat
Talk shit get hit, Saddam
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xheroth
Have you actually read the reports that the CIA releases? They don't have any evidence other than speculation on how a phishing scam did it.
impulsespeed37
No, actually I don't believe Trump...but I also know that some of the news on the other side is full of BS too. I don't know how much.
BlastTheStrongestHero
They're making a sequel soon!
impulsespeed37
Pass
OutOfScope
Starring Russia!
SexPenguinWhoreNunToTheArchdoiceseAndOligarchy
It's actually been in production on the DL since the first one came out
OutOfScope
Starring Russia!
noforeplay
Ugh, I wish they'd stop putting out so many sequels. I want an original war!
jsktrogdor
Large parts of the intelligence community where opposed to the Iraq War. They were ignored. This is not the case in this situation.
lucky13kenny
"in this situation". OP hasn't even said what he's babbling about.
Jmoc12
That is true, even the UN inspectors we ignored. And they were the ones checking the production sites.
jsktrogdor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downing_Street_memo
deimosVII
It wouldn't matter. This is post-factual America where feelings and opinions matter more than hard evidence
NoLongerFoamingWolffo
While I completely agree with you, I hate to say... America has pretty much always been like there. There's just better news coverage now.
AphroditesDimples
Like this wasn't the way humans always were. They killed Socrates for making too much sense.
Whenlifegivesyoulemonsthrowthematpeople
We have lived like that for a long time. It is what happens when we let our political leanings govern what we believe is true.
friedmice17
I hate this crap. People have always been dumb. Its not feelings or opinions its that news outlets don't vet their stories before running.
Secsletariat
I disagree that we're post-fact. Rather, I think we never cared much for fact, but now it's obvious because fact-checking is so much easier.
Secsletariat
(I mean this for people in general around the world. There will always be people who do care, just a lot more that don't.)
Hannya
That's literally the entirety of American history..
pallentx
We now decide what is truth based on who said it, not the content itself.
MoonStuck1
We would all slowly die if that were the case
MarekS
Feels, not reals
railgap
And hearing what we want to hear from people we trust because they say the things we want to hear...
IAmNotVeryCleverAtAll
thatclimbingguy
Funny how that is not only happening in the US but in Europe as well. We got the word "postfaktisch" aka post-factual for it in germany
Skornish
Where is the evidence?
EdmondAlmond
Thanks, Obama!
gakbag
Can we stop saying that and take steps to fix it? Like I'm open to suggestions and shit.
SudoNimm
And also, what facts have been presented? I'm not saying Russia didnt do these things, but no *actual* evidence has even been shown.
macdeezy
Follower of Milo ?
MarekS
Post-truth is Oxford Dictionaries' Word of the Year 2016.
THEThadJarvis
As John Oliver said, "Oh shit you just brought feelings to a fact fight."
intashu
I read it on the Internet. It must be true. Let me base my opinion strongly on a meme I saw one and argue about it.
SteelFuelCantMeltBeamJets
Seth Rich was the DNC leaker. Podesta fell for a phishing scam. Asange said a 14 year old could have hacked his emails
TwinkleTwinkleLittleShit
As a german, Im afraid that youre not the only country with exactly that problem. Its a global problem. Lack of trust in science. but 1/2
TwinkleTwinkleLittleShit
as an engineer I have to say, science has a big PR Problem. Even at uni it took me unnecessary long to understand the importance of it. 1/2
apercent
Scientists never were really excepted until years later, then people go wow those guys were geniuses
Zellacat
1.Unfortunately, science authorities often depend on political support & have become politicized instead of factual & logical. Climategate
Zellacat
is only 1 example of this subversion of science. Most scientists depend on grants from government & politician's political agendas. :-(
LeTheBIGDOGeat
What about climategate? Everything is politicized these days
TwinkleTwinkleLittleShit
Not just on the high level. On the low lvl too many good scientists are horrible on the social and teaching scale.
xmaneds
I wish you were wrong ! ! !
yoruichisan
They are if you believe hard enough
LookingForWorkInColorado
I feel he is.
deimosVII
Nice
FrankieF
I see what you did there
TheDarkLordOfTrees
I feel it, so it must be true. Sad!
aselfdefeatingattitude
I remember watching Newt Gingrich talk about how bad the economy is and how unemployment was skyrocketing. The interviewer brought up
aselfdefeatingattitude
figures to show that isn't true and things were actually getting better. Newt's response was "well that's not what I or many other people
aselfdefeatingattitude
feel" and that's a perfect example of how things are now. Facts are beaten by feelings.
RichardDWinters
Perfect example: https://youtu.be/xnhJWusyj4I
ninmonkey
In the case of politicians that behavior is nothing new
ninmonkey
In the case of politicians that behavior is nothing new
dharey94
Well to be fair the use of the unemployment stats doesnt count people not looking for work or seeking unemployment benefits.
aselfdefeatingattitude
It's still a sign unemployment is going down.
inkpod
The metrics have been the same for decades. The same standards are used. Unemployment is at a 40 year low, markets are strong, GDP is up.
dharey94
A more accurate number is the dept of labors people not in the work force which is a record high.
dharey94
Almost 95 Million Americans are not in the workforce. This is anyone 16+. Here's the link https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS15000000
aselfdefeatingattitude
http://fortune.com/2015/02/04/unemployment-rate-gallup/
PerhapsAnotherPerspective
...No, that's not "more accurate" at all. Of course labor force participation is going down, birth rates have been low and the baby- 1/
PerhapsAnotherPerspective
boomers are retiring (hence leaving the labor force). That process has been accelerated by the rebounding stock market post recession. 2/
PerhapsAnotherPerspective
As an economist, it's really important that these sorts of things are understood. 3/3
clutch2999
Buzzfeed is my favorite intelligence agency
Betanaut
I have a feeling Twitter is really your favorite intelligence agency.
theresgarlicinthatnebula
As long as you can tell the difference between them an CNN...
cerulee
There's a difference?
digitiliad
...airtime?
HypnoChanger
I'm pretty sure Buzzfeed is counter-intelligence.
Thatllbuffrightout
The real question is why do we need 17 intelligence agencies...
HodorFirstOfHisName
Each one spies on different people. CIA is the commies, NSA is Americans, etc
eion85
http://www.quora.com/Why-does-the-US-have-so-many-different-intelligence-agencies
FezezAreCool
https://www.quora.com/Why-does-the-US-have-so-many-different-intelligence-agencies
Obietrice
Some of these aren't intelligence agencies.
ballsohard2202
Each one of these has parts that do intelligence analysis. Including the treasury, yes.
Jmoc12
Don't know why you are being downvoted. You are very correct. Although I'd argue 16 since the USMC is actually under Naval Intelligence.
FlintstonesChewableMorphine
Easier to shrug shoulders and say they did it wrong not us.
FilthyRedmond
Russia didn't hack or influence our elections. The democrats lost because Hillary was an awful, corrupt candidate. Her emails proved it.
kuzvo240
Both of the recent intelligence reports on Russian hacking have included disclaimers.
FilthyRedmond
And if Russia did "hack" our election, the democrats should probably focus on getting better security...
CrestFallenWarrior
From what I understand Hillary was grossly negligent when it came to classified intelligence.
InADayOrSo
I thought it was funny how only one person proposed that Russia directly altered election results and Podesta told him it was bullshit.
kuzvo240
Ya, The ICA report's disclaimer literally said ''Judgements are not intended to imply that we have proof that shows something to be a fact''
wittiw
I've heard /pol/ started it with a fake legal document. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=108lsb4EFRQ
thatswildman
Yeah, but to Donald Trump? The guy who made his fortune gutting dotcoms?
Zellacat
Enemy states always try to hack. That is why we have security rules. Like the ones Hillary ignored & the DNC refused to listen to warnings,
grumpatsurrisrex
This isn't about the election anymore. We have a credible source with claims that need to be taken seriously by the President Elect.
FezezAreCool
http://www.wsj.com/articles/fbi-director-james-comey-to-testify-before-congress-1484044204
FilthyRedmond
James Comey is the same guy who kept flip flopping whether to investigate Hillary's emails. And besides, the info we did get was stuff we...
FilthyRedmond
James Comey is the same guy who kept flip flopping whether to investigate Hillary's emails. And besides, the info we did get was stuff we...
FezezAreCool
(2) That is not the same as "flip flopping". His mistake was going public before the election, although if he hadn't he would have been
FilthyRedmond
Deserved to know. About how she has a "public and private position" and her treatment of Bernie Sanders supporters.
FezezAreCool
(3) vilified after the election if Trump had lost.
FezezAreCool
False. He decided to investigate further when new emails tied to Anthony Weiner came to light, which he then deemed to be irrelevant.
FilthyRedmond
And he did that right before the election. Coincidence?
FezezAreCool
No. But he was stuck in between a rock and a hard place. Wait until after the election and Republicans would have said he was withholding
FezezAreCool
Basically, he fucked up.
FezezAreCool
important information to benefit Hillary.
FezezAreCool
Republicans were also hacked
Zellacat
Could you support that with something we can verify please? Belief in rumors is asking to be fooled. We all need to fact check.
FezezAreCool
The FBI http://www.wsj.com/articles/fbi-director-james-comey-to-testify-before-congress-1484044204
FezezAreCool
Don't know why you're getting down voted. It's always good to ask for a source :)
Zellacat
Not when it goes against their political propaganda ploy. Those people hate honest questions & people who ask. Happens a lot here.
Zellacat
Not when it goes against their political propaganda ploy. Those people hate honest questions & people who ask. Happens a lot here.
dmdcrafter
Apparently the Department of Energy investigates hacking attempts of foreign powers.
ballsohard2202
All of the intelligence community works together for the most part. Source: Intel specialist
dietderpsy
The DOE are always charged and powered for a fight.
InADayOrSo
That department is just front for scientific investigations on wormholes and telekinesis you sheep.
aselfdefeatingattitude
Because part of their hacking was a power company in Vermont.
DrYoloMcSwagmasterIIIEsq
It was malware on a non-power system laptop, not hacking
Betanaut
You think malware isn't one of the most widely used tools for hacking?
WhyAreYouASmugBellend
I head that was malware, like what Grampa gets after watching too much anime.
aselfdefeatingattitude
My grampa doesn't watch anime he watches granime.
WhyAreYouASmugBellend
LOL
Obietrice
As a USMC veteran, I would exactly call the USMC an "intelligence agency".
Doucey
Real name no gimmicks.
Perovskite
"I would exactly call"
TakWriterOfWorlds
As a US Ay veteran, I agree.
OneCoolFrood
"Army lmao"
Ihadacookie
As active usmc I would also have to agree
gingerbreadmau5
I'm sorry to hear you got stationed with ASVAB waivers and never deployed.
Ihadacookie
Good one, never heard that before
Azaldi
USAF veteran I spent more time working with NSA and DoH officials than DoD.
holycrapwhy
MARINE (Muscles Are Required Intelligence Not Essential). Haha not true though
ImmortalLoveRodd
My Ass Rides In Navy Equipment, Sir
Jinxboy
Real name, no gimmicks!
agermanguy
Cheomesh
You know. Force Recon.
breakfastburner
Thanks for reminding me that Obie trice is the man. Love that guy. Are you him? If so I Love you.
SethKur
Muscles Are Required, Intelligence Not Expected?
SOMETHlNGODD
.
SOMETHlNGODD
.
PoliticalWanderer
Muscles Are Required, Intelligence Not Essential?
greencookiemonster
Force Recon?
TropicLightning
Lol
12GaPoopRockets
I was JUST about to say that lol. You sound like a lance corporal lol.
Obietrice
Cpl. Past tense.
Makinganaccountnameisannoying
Agreed. -Doc.
hateurfacetoo
Ah the S-2, PowerPoint kings.
MornieAlantie
My experience with S2: Powerpoint on every IED to hit route 1 in Afghanistan in the last 7 years. Me: "Yes, that's the same as last week 1/2
MornieAlantie
save for 2 dots. In the same hot spots as last week. And the weeks before. Thanks for the fresh intel, S-2!" 2/2
buttstuffpirate
"Don't just brief me the weather, brief me on how the weather is going to affect my mission" -Every commander to every S2 ever
Makinganaccountnameisannoying
Agreed. -Doc.
agermanguy
RideTheTiger
Met a guy who wanted to join the Marines who got a 6 on his ASVAB.
TheDuke0fHazzard
Too bad he only scored high enough for Army infantry.
gad885
Hey i have a hard time writing my name on the line sometimes too
jsktrogdor
You're probably great at military stuff, but you're bad at typing.
Obietrice
This is true.
malbec
Or the Military got to his comment first...
EricFromAccounts
Oh my god it goes all the way to the top
KillerTofu615
Retired Marine here (that had high level clearances), you'd be amazed at the "intelligence" that comes on the wire.
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joeynew
Yea but military intel is not geared toward identifying international propaganda.
WWisLife
You are very wrong my friend.
KillerTofu615
You'd be amazed. Seriously. It goes from "there's a guy in a hole at these coordinates" to "Osama bin laden possible sighting" (regarding1/2
KillerTofu615
the same person). 2/2
WhosJoe
Less Intel. More brake things.
Obietrice
I see we are kin in the art of typing.
WhosJoe
Thatd be tru
gorgosaurusrex
*break
WhosJoe
Sure
maythedoctorbewithyou
Marine Vet here too, I'm surprised you never knew about the 02xx field (Intelligence) Like 0211 - CI/HUMINT, which is in a sense is spy shit
Obietrice
Yeah but I doubt the USMC is looking into the validity of trump taking golden showers...
maythedoctorbewithyou
I think this was moreso referring to the Russian involvement in the recent election.
AntonioStark
Hey. You motherfuckers can tell us exactly how to break something. So there's that.
sclev
And which crayon tastes best. It's purple, btw.
AntonioStark
God bless you guys (and gals).
FrostTide
My sister says red is good
Obietrice
I prefer green....olive drab green.
sclev
I do agree that olive drab tastes amazing but it reminds me too much of the green weenie and I can't finish a whole one without puking.
sclev
I do agree that olive drab tastes amazing but it reminds me too much of the green weenie and I can't finish a whole one without puking.
sclev
I do agree that olive drab tastes amazing but it reminds me too much of the green weenie and I can't finish a whole one without puking.
SugarSmack
Its the agency of Marine Corps Intelligence Activity. Each military branch has its own. The US actually has 17 different int. agencies.
SugarSmack
I learned about them on NPR. http://www.npr.org/2017/01/10/509086405/heads-of-4-u-s-spy-agencies-to-appear-before-senate-panel-on-russia
TheLannistersSendALovelyFruitBasket
Used to have a lot more too, but most were just folded into existing ones.
gablestout
The others are the Office of Naval Intelligence, 25th Air Force, Intelligence and Security Command (Army), and Coast Guard Intelligence
SugarSmack
Salmonthegreat
France is bacon
xmaneds
there are at least two different jokes hidden in your comment . . . .
OlafJS
And I understood neither
Obietrice
Hahaha god damn phone...
AngriestViking
Is that your real name no gimmic?
AndyBlacksmith
Go look outside, are there two trailer park girls?
malbec
I think that makes the joke even better :D
zeemode
It does. It is the only reason I am in this deep in the comment
malbec
We must go deeper...