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EDIT: how the heck do you know if a post made most viral? I’m shocked to wake up and see all these internet points.
claudiekante
Thank you, very interesting, even if I wouldn't consider anthroposophy as a religion.
evildadunit
In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move, Douglas Adams
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basicisaac
Scientology should not be connected to anything other than a failed SciFi writer’s butthole who wanted to win a bet.
OrneTTe
Actually, should be influenced by Mormonism, the Golden Dawn Thelema. Got the grift from Mormonism, inspiration from GD and Thelema.
baroncognito
Yeah, but he plagiarized the ideas from somewhere, right?
ColonelGonzo
Slightly higher res version: original https://twitter.com/Simon_E_Davies/status/698784319880429568/photo/1
Cilvaa
They are both the exact same width, the OP version just has the Reddit stuff at the bottom.
Calamarre
OP's version is more blurry
Cilvaa
I'm looking at both on desktop zoomed in, they're exactly the same. Same exact amount of jpeg artifacting.
grimbor
Thank you
tarquinious
"Religion"
13579rocket
When I first heard of Scientology, I thought it was like joke meant to troll the actual religions… like how the “birds aren’t real”…
13579rocket
…satire conspiracy was meant to troll the wacky conspiracy theorists. I was wrong.
aslum
Honestly I bet trolling was the original plan but then LRH realized just how much money he could make because people are gullible as fuck...
IsolatedAsshole
All criticisms of religion aside, this is pretty neat.
Zenaex300
Pretty sure, Zoroastrianism is much older than Atenism.
CoolSteve10
According to Zoroaster lore, maybe. Same with Hermeticism and most gnostic adjascent religions.
ExTechOp
Somewhat debatable, as there is no scholarly consensus on when Zoroaster lived. At least we have rather reliable dates for Akhenaten.
rococosbasilisk
It’s got a lot of mistakes
OkButWhyWereTheyFilming
Yes this.
Govote
You got that right
Ghlargh
Something is off about the chart. It dates Asatrú at 1870. The modern name was made up around 1820 and probably polularized around ->
Ghlargh
->1870 but the belief system that name refers to was in practice before year 700.
Manbehindthemadness
I want to see one of these on just Christian denominations
KingMCG
BUT…the Dreamtime also holds essentially historical records of the First Nation…and tales of many extinct mammals.
UramboTauro
Where's Pastafarianism?
HighFunctioningAlcoholic
Not sure, but a Pastafarian's meat can take a lot of self-inflicted beating, so surely they do well in combat.
ThailandExpress
Bless you, my child
IHaveGreatKittenRecipes
R'Amen!
IUpvoteFuturama
ThatGuyFromJustSouthOfTheMiddleOfNowhere
May you be touched by his noodly appendage
Porfirij
honestly, if scientology makes the cut, so should his noodly eminence.
KermitTheFrog04
I say we take off Scientology and add in pastafarian.
ThatGuyFromJustSouthOfTheMiddleOfNowhere
SchlappaDaBass
R'amen
Gayforbae
Oh please, this is only for REAL religions..... /s
LokiShinigami
It's in version 3.0
ValamirCleaver
Hiding behind the invisible pink unicorn.
LilaLotos
Ramen .II.
natabus
Or the Church of the Invisible Pink Unicorn, which predates it. Or Discordianism!
TheManInABlackSuit
The best part of discordianism is you can believe in it and anything else too at the same time
positiveleroy
It’s in your heart.
PosthumousExile
SCIENTOLOGY IS NOT A RELIGION
montyman185
Religion: the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods. -
montyman185
Alternatively: a particular system of faith and worship. -
montyman185
Scientology may be an abusive, predatory cult, but it's still a religion
toolzgalore2
Sweet, now do the same with a killcount for each religion
TheHengeProphet
That might be tainted. If a kill count in the name of that religion could be done that might be better.
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MeatPopsicleMultiPass
Christians be like
wheeeeeeeeeeee
A break down of followers vs kills ratio as well as a total kill count, that would be amazing
HighFunctioningAlcoholic
The irreligious Mongols stand in the corner and laugh.
StunnedGoofy
Christianity on 1st place.... All the crusades..
TheBigBadBarracuda
Pretty sure the Mongols got them beat.
QuartzPoker
Generally the bigger it is, the more kills it has. But there's a few that aren't here that would have big counts, eg Roman state religion
MechaNinja
I would be way more interested in kill count per membership.
Mountons
Ooo cool idea! Killtacular!
StellarJay77
Are we counting how many deaths they cause through religious dogma policies like anti abortion and anti gay theologies?
suckstoyourauntie
Yeah, if the election goes the wrong way, the 'Christian Nationalists' will be rebooting the crusades.
Infinias
Don't tell em their is an ocean between them an Jerusalem. The problem will solve itself
GeneralAnubis
We should, but certainly the ideology with the largest killcount there would be the worship of the dollar known as capitalism
manulofdoom
phaden
Right click the picture and open in new tab. Quite readable with another click then.
inkassoVIP
ExTechOp
Better resolution from: https://www.worldreligionnews.com/religion-news/christianity/evolutionary-tree-religion-map-simon-e-davies/
CareerKnight
Exact same resolution but some of the colors are brighter and shenism is a lot clearer.
ExTechOp
You are right about the resolution, I suspect it's mostly just a matter of compression level.
OldmanSerious
The Golden Dawn mentioned in the chart would be the magical society in England. The SYMBOL though it the fascist Greek Golden Dawn party
OldmanSerious
They are not related at all. The English society did not use that symbol in the 1880s. It also wasn't a religion.
shyriath
The early stages of this tree seem very shaky. The very idea of Proto-Nostratic is controversial, it's probably unprovable, and there's no >
shyriath
particular reason to think that a single proto-language would go hand-in-hand with a proto-religion.
SpotlightStealer
Saying Shintoism comes from Chinese folk religions is a pretty hot take
DamagedDingo
The golden dawn sounds like a cult.. but also maybe one I might drop in and check out.
Geoglady
I watched a video about the Cathars today... Very interesting.
Darthagnon
Very optimistic chart, tracing modern paganism back to norse, druidic and germanic roots, what with those religions eradicated.
commanderding
So we’re all shamans….
HogBabe
3654798521
@op if you enjoy this stuff, checkout a book called Gd by Reza Aslan. Good stuff!
LocksleyGrey
All of Reza Aslan's books are worth a read. He's very knowledgeable and a great writer. Ellen Pagels is also worth the time.
D1rtyh4rry666
Will do, thanks!
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PineappleIsDeliciousOnPizzaFightMe
Mormonism stems from Judaism, not Christianity? This is news.
Calamarre
mormons think an angel pointed them to the golden tables of the lost jew tribes as they migrated through africa, south america and north AM
TexasPop
No no, the arrow comes from christianity. Passes "under" judaism, not from.
PineappleIsDeliciousOnPizzaFightMe
Oh, i see it now. Not too clear on mobile. Thanks!
Mewlies
Specifically Reconstructionist Christians trying to Reincorporate Jewish Temple Laws and claim Native Americans were Lost Tribe of Israel.
PineappleIsDeliciousOnPizzaFightMe
With bonus wives
TheSharpieOne
Well, Jesus was a jew.
turbodog
Jesus was a Capricorn, he ate organic food.
UncleBuckFutter
Sweet Jewsus!
SoupSp00n
I’ll take all the negative internet points for this, but I wish my religion didn’t have zealots. every religion has it but I’m sure it’s
SoupSp00n
Understood what I mean. I hate being in the position where people hate on what I believe in despite me personally not wanting anyone hurt
SoupSp00n
For it. Like all these zealots make us look bad and then bc of those zealots everyone dislikes what I feel to be a calming belief that
SoupSp00n
To me brings clarity. No one has to believe what I do but I hate when people hate what I believe bc of the actions of others
Rasayana
I remember a party-discussion I had with some guy with religious ideas which was "out there". Basically things he had cooked up himself. 1/?
Rasayana
I didn't agree with him, but he was cogent, consistent, and reasonable. As a third wheel, there was a guy who shared most of my ...
InternetAnonymityplz
This isn't limited to religions, every group unfortunately has its bad actors that the rest of the group cringes over. Try not to let it
InternetAnonymityplz
get you too down, and just check every once in awhile to make sure you aren't exhibiting the bad behaviors others are complaining about
montyman185
(I'm gonna speak in general terms, not you specific, just to explain things better) So, the problem with that is that ascribing to these -
montyman185
Beliefs, tends to in some way enable institutions that encourage, shelter, create, or otherwise enable these bad people. -
fractalsphere
Made up stuff ----> more made up stuff ---> more made up stuff ---> justifying slavery, bigotry, racism, awful behavior. Makes sense to me.
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Mupp33n
Is this about christianity. I figure imgur doesnt criticise any others
Bojack8
I hate this take. The good of religion is incalculable. The power of getting people on the same page is the strongest force ever.
Bojack8
Have we messed up along the way? Sure. But it feels disingenuous to crucify all religions after they have contributed to the best standard
Bojack8
Of living in our history. Even the most secular of thinkers would laugh at your suggestion that religion = bad inherently. Think on this
Imetjkrowling
Absolutely it does. Catholic religion is evil. 300k estimated cases of child abuse. It should be wiped from the earth.
JacktheKind
slavery, bigotry, racism. Not only the effect of made up stuff. Also money/power, which will abuse any ideology; social/economic/religious
D1rtyh4rry666
You forgot the part where they made stuff up.
RevRagnarok
You missed the "control the masses" objective.
chapterhawk101
You're equating the Abrahamic religions with all religion. That's a deep form of your own ignorance and bigotry.
CorgiGrrrMan
IIRC, the Assyrians did was nutty things in the name of their deities. I think they had even taken a Babylonian statue of their patron deity
CorgiGrrrMan
Which caused major turmoil for the Babylonian people, since some of their rituals depended on said statue.
SimiKusoni
Do you have an example of a non-Abrahamic religion that wasn't used to support, or hasn't directly caused, the above?
bladderinfection
Religion: nothing discovered or testable, just “someone once said…”
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DustyMcKnuckles
I came back from the dead once... Just saying.
D1rtyh4rry666
Well - what was it like?
DustyMcKnuckles
Non restful sleep. Then I woke up in pain 3 days later. (Wrecked my motorcycle)
D1rtyh4rry666
Whoa, thanks for sharing dude and glad you came back. Now - have you noticed any super powers?
DustyMcKnuckles
I set off metal detectors in my underwear now! And the psyche test put me in the 80th percentile of my age range even with a TBI hahaha
MerlintheRogue
I sometimes wonder why certain people have Near-Death experiences and others don’t.
Iamatalkingape
They can't all be right, but they can all be wrong.
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beoluves
I think that at best, they're all looking at the same thing from diferent angles
Xalaqia
Yeah, false agency.
lukebagpiper2
Nope, op's mom.... So big no one can see all of her
blessedarethecheesemakers
Mormon. The correct answer was Mormon.
Joecoin2
Cut this tree down and burn it!
OptimusPom
All hail the sentient cloud!
LongoloidFartExplosion
Of spaghetti.
pastramionrye
jherazob
Subsound
Except for mine /s
Luficer
Trollero
You tell'em brother
Subsound
Haniel81
Blessed is the mind too small for doubt
ArkoneAxon
Yes they can. The problem is the users who don't read the manuals. Or cherry pick the parts they like.
ChucKTheCanadian
Simple, you believe the one god who says to not believe the other gods. /s
PourMeAPuppersPlease
The only right one is The People's Front of Judea
FoxPesdassi
SPLITTERS!!
Agialabradore
You mean the Judeas' Peoples' Front?
SilverbackGorrilla
*Judean People's Front
ForlornFennec
What about the Judean People's Front?
Imsomewhatofaboobmyself85
All but Doug Forcett blessed be his name
Shrike99
*92% correct*
IAimtoMisbehaveNotLikeThatOtherSpacePirate
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IHearVoicesWhenITalk
You misread the comment.
Findrek
I think you need to reread the second half of their sentence carefully.
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nanyatenyaa
Science has never made the claim to be perfectly accurate and comparing science to religion is the dumbest shit ever.
digitalshadowhawk
I mean, I don't think religion is becoming any less wrong. You don't wake up one morning and hear about this week's new religious discovery.
Harmaahyljetili
Isn't this chart all about new religious discoveries? Not on scale of weeks, but new ideas and dogmas invented none the less.
ineedausernamerightmeow
Scientific findings can be wrong. Science is a method, not a doctrine. A method isn’t wrong.
ntpgmr
The scientific method itself shows how other methods can be wrong.
ineedausernamerightmeow
Facts/statements are wrong though. Methods are (sometimes) ineffective or misleading. But not wrong.
Jerumias42
I'm tired of this. It's not all wrong for people. It never was. We hate it because the majority is bat shit crazy. Doesn't mean it can't
Jerumias42
help. I can't speak for everyone, and I get there cannot be "both sides" right now. I have my bad stories, gods know, but if..
Jerumias42
We cannot forgive and change the few...then no matter how proud you can be, we cannot challenge and accept the many.
Jerumias42
I'll never advocate for hatred. And I have no solution, buy collectively? You are greater. So vote, and if they aren't greater, well,
Jerumias42
Remember V for Vendetta. "People should not be afraid of their governments; governments should be afraid of their people."
MechaNinja
Out of 8 billion people, surely one of us has it right. It's me. I'm right. Everyone should follow me, or else I'm starting a war.
MechaNinja
For your own good. Not at all to enrich myself.
Shrike99
Is your name Doug Forcett? https://youtu.be/nv_ra9CXZOQ
Bronnen
They could all be correct but we as humans have screwed up the interpretation
MrStealUrChange
So they are correct the way we understand them but the way we understand them is incorrect?
sturmhauke
Some of them are mutually exclusive. Abrahamic religions reject all non-Abrahamic religions as invalid. They also quarrel with each other /1
sturmhauke
to various degrees on interpretations and practices.
alcaray
OK but if the chart shows anything it is that humans are designed to create and promote religion. And it seems we started to be so...1/
crysalitt
Voltaire said "if god didn't exist, it would be necessary to invent him" people need to believe in something greater then them selves
crysalitt
Whether that is religion or science or the belief that there is nothing
KittyKlimt6
I wish before making assumptions about "humans" ppl would count patriarchy in. 50% of "humans" were not even asked. Sry but men f*d that up
alcaray
If you are talking about the archeological evidence then you are the one jumping to conclusions. Hard to say who was in charge of the...1/
alcaray
,,,tribe in multi-thousands of years BCE. 2/2
KittyKlimt6
I studied anthropology with focus on gender and gather/hunterers so I pretty well know what I'm talking about (despite the fact I'm female).
alcaray
...soon after we started to use tools. 2/2
alcaray
People really don't like hearing this one. I'm surprised ups are narrowly crowding out all the downvotes. The archeological and the...1/
alcaray
...anthropological evidence is overwhelming though. Humans do religion. 2/2
Murmull
There is nothing designed about it. I think thats the beef, design implies a designer, large part of imgur is atheist.
Kbantar
Most atheists are superstitious in my experience. Kind of sad to be one that literally never understood or believed it.
alcaray
People seem to put their faith in politics and/or economics these days. But they continue to use religion since it's such a handy tool.
Xalaqia
Designed? I doubt it. Even if so, it's time to override that ass-backwards thinking.
alcaray
Good luck.
TheElderBowls
More like most humans lack critical thinking and jump to conclusions about things without understanding them
Katateochi
my fav ex of this; hums used to throw spears at eclipses to ward of the evil spirit. & it worked, every time.
alcaray
I would say that's just an example of operant conditioning (the proclivity towards which we share with every life form that exhibits...1/
alcaray
...behavior). Except that total eclipses happen so rarely that they can't be a good stimulus for training. 2/2
Qualtagh
Unpopular Opinion: The worldwide prevalence of religion makes me think it's a natural, and probably useful, component of human cognition.
NorthCountryCrone
Our brains are wired for spirituality. Religion is the manipulation this (and many other things) for power.
Xalaqia
Our brains are wired for pattern seeking, survival. We give agency to unknown phenomena. Spirituality/Religion are bad results of this.
Qualtagh
Our brains are wired for much more than just that. We're evolved to be social creatures. Religions tend to reinforce certain social systems.
NorthCountryCrone
Of course our brains are wired for much more than spiritual experience. Reinforce hierarchical social systems to be sure.
LittlePinkAnimal
I wouldn't say religion per se, but certainly mythology. Seems like a byproduct of the capacity for abstract thought.
malexmatt
There's a reason people who think they are far too smart and educated for it go out and search for an ideology or worldview to 1/
malexmatt
replace it at pretty much the first opportunity. 2/2
StinkyFritz
Like liberalism...
Shrike99
Useful for a small hunter gatherer community maybe. For a modern global civilization? I doubt it. Our brains are still wired for the former.
Fasrill
Almost all of them started as a way to explain the how and why of the world ancient Humans found themselves in.
Qualtagh
Yeah, but why was the human brain so inclined to make bad guesses about these mysteries, rather than accepting the unknowable or being 1/2
Qualtagh
more inclined to the gradual, incremental learning that science would eventually give us? IMO, our brains benefit from imaginary friends 2/2
LocalUnassumingGuy
So your argument is that delusions are actually good for us? That believing in things without a good reason is actually a virtue?
Qualtagh
A virtue? Lol nah, I just think some particular delusions might make us less likely to off ourselves. Evolution doesn't necessarily 1/2
cmsport2
For sure. I've considered it before, and if I was alive thousands of years ago, I would 100% worship the sun.
cmsport2
I can see it and feel it. Sometimes it burns and is hard to look at but it is the source of light and warmth, and thus life. Praise the sun!
Chimponzoo
Not Really, the origin story was for legitimacy. They started as good/easy to remember stories to teach the next generation how to behave.
RevolutionOnHerLips
The "worldwide prevalence" wouldn't be prevalent if children weren't indoctrinated, sorry
Qualtagh
Indoctrination isn't an argument against a thing being natural. Whales naturally indoctrinate their young in dialects of speech.
LocalUnassumingGuy
There isn't even the ability to justify the burden of proof that religion's claims are true, but we're supposed to let them teach it is?
LocalUnassumingGuy
Your argument is dishonest, whales teaching their young speech is useful, how can you demonstrate teaching religious doctrines is useful?
Qualtagh
hard to quantify is not in itself proof that it is not a natural phenomenon, it just indicates that the question is hard to answer. 2/2
Qualtagh
I'm not trying to defend a proof here, I am explaining a theory. Your hostility is clouding your logic -- the effect of religion being 1/2
LocalUnassumingGuy
I'm saying your example was fallacious, you need to demonstrate religious teachings are a net good and I don't think they are at all.
LocalUnassumingGuy
You need to demonstrate with evidence that believing in things without good evidence (religion) is USEFUL, cause that's a mighty claim buds.
Qualtagh
I'm not here to prove it to you, but I can explain why I think it's true. Most traits that are prevalent across humans serve an evolved 1/?
Qualtagh
purpose. There are notable exceptions: Appendixes and people who missed out on some traits. But generally we don't go around assuming a 2/?
Qualtagh
human organ is useless until proved otherwise. Most of them are there because we died more without em. The specific benefits I suspect 3/?
Qualtagh
exist for religion are these, and I want to emphasize that these are GENERAL and IMPERFECT, like anything else evolution would make: 4/5
HighFunctioningAlcoholic
The fact that there exist or existed no pre-modern atheistic societies is pretty strong evidence.
LocalUnassumingGuy
Evidence that people were prone to superstition and ignorant of how science works? Maybe I'm confusing what your assertion is.
HighFunctioningAlcoholic
"Suspertion" is one of the common denominators that kept them alive. If this were not the case, we'd at least find a % of cultures that 1/
HighFunctioningAlcoholic
/2 were atheistic. (I'm not applying this to 2022.)