OctoberRaven
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#transhumanism #futurism #technology #science_and_tech
May 22, 2022 1:37 AM
OctoberRaven
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#transhumanism #futurism #technology #science_and_tech
RainierCamino
Just don't plug any strange tech into your head and you'll be fine
d0o0o0d
Never buy Rev A. Rev B is also a bit sus.
BigTex1
Ya, everyone will be worrying about hacking first…
ConsumerAffairs
Sentay
I like the idea, but we're really good at torturing, betraying, and creating hells for each other I don't think I'd trust any human with it.
Vikingtransgirl
I want glowing robot eyes and a multifunction arm be so fucking cool!
Johnsky
That's why you shop the black market for "offline" versions.
enterusernamehere25
This is the same thing as pirating a OS, not something you should do with something so critical
DianNaoChong
There's a scene for custom firmware for your insulin pump and those people are nuts.
CuddlyPervert
First Gen of Cybernetics is already here. Pacemakers, insulin pumps,etc. Gunna be interesting when more of these start using smartphone apps
Kbantar
Why would they have them at all? If your artificial heart works properly then there's no future need for long distance software updates.
CuddlyPervert
Same reason we shove wifi into fridges and everything else for absolutely no reason... so they can collect data.
oddmog
As a guy with pain issues and vision declining to the point I may not keep a drivers licence, GIMME! That's not to say I don't fear the risk
OctoberRaven
The people who will get them out of necessity are the ones I worry about most. Especially considering they'll likely be the trial users.
Tahaufren
can't upvote this enoughhhhhhhhhhhhhh
SuperDramaticFusion
NeverDownvoteMelBrooks
Definitely should wait for Service Pack 2
eightyearplan
same with magic smart pills, thin pills.. or genetic treatments
baroncognito
One of the complaints I've heard is that it's proprietary, and if the company goes out of business, there's no more support for it.
GreaseMonkeyOfLove
#1 reason right there! Do you know how hard it is to find parts for “obsolete” things even when the company’s still around? I own a 1985 car
mesogiria
That has happened to some blind people with those implant/glasses rigs that let them navigate around, company goes and so no tech support.
soulsource
Sauce: https://spectrum.ieee.org/bionic-eye-obsolete
radzo73
Apple: “yea so none of it is repairable, just get a new body”
crapybarra
Go into dev to try and be on the forefront of that shit. Like owning a car, learn to do your own work.
OctoberRaven
If only I could afford to go back to school to take an accredited compsci course. Sure it's a piece of paper, but it gets you in the door.
crapybarra
Not even. This field is all about what you can do. DL courses take the free Harvard stuff, then crack the fw of the co where you wanna work!
crapybarra
I work in IT, & went from $40k to low six figures in 7 years. On a HS diploma. YMMV but shit baby buy the ticket take the ride.
DianNaoChong
As a diabetic seeing closed loop insulin pumps that then want to tether to your cell phone is horrifying.
meekodeeko
the most important thing is we retain final & complete control over any devices interfaced with our body at that level.
meekodeeko
meaning we have root, and complete freedom to mod, hack and update to our hearts content
ImageAberration
Yes, but think carefully before you void the warranty on a medical implant!
StrangePaegan
Except uteruses. /S
IFoldlyGo
With factory reset just in case we screw up?
Rabidbacon
BoozeHound001
They'll likely be sold as a service, so if you miss a payment your limb stops working. Pay an extra 25/mo to get temp and haptic feedback.
TheS4ndm4n
Oh, it won't just stop working. Go see "repo man (2010)".
BoozeHound001
fucking love that movie? Rock Opera?
zeacorzeppelin10
Ghost in the shell
boobs675309
disable it's network access so it doesn't get hacked, enjoy
jbmtcr
We've already got paywalls in our cars. Are we sure we want paywalls in our bodies too?
Frothington
It'd be shit if you became a cyborg & your older brother hacked you. Stop hitting yourself, stop hitting yourself.
Clockworkdancerobot
You're not the boss of Tigerbot Hesh.
SoshiGenkaku
Go robot go robot
hashbaz
RainierCamino
MakimasFavoriteTie
Hesh wants POPPERS!!
shmoogeeoogee
D cups of justice!
OctoberRaven
I especially worry about this when bluetooth connectivity comes up.
DurendaI
THERE WILL BE BLOOD
mtimothy
Not just the hackable. First Gen gonna be sloppy af. Prob end up dying to complications.
HitsuneYamagoto
We are ALREADY cyborgs. Hip, shoulder replacements, pacemakers, prosthetics, etc...
GreaseMonkeyOfLove
Glasses. (That’s the most common one!)
1337cat
More like first gen will be unable to upgrade after the first 3 gens.
GeneralNuclear
Always wanted to be a cyborg as a kid until i learned about phantom pain.
mondeca
If anything, Metal Gear Solid V should make you want to be a cyborg even more.
T3NM1DG3TS
I don’t believe you’d experience phantom pain with prosthetics that your intent of movement. same reason why using mirrors to create a 1/2
T3NM1DG3TS
Visual illusion of your missing limb still being there and moving in accordance with your thought is our best treatment for phantom pain 2/2
jackal12345
Always the Togusa (Ghost in the Shell) route. His cybernetics were just the back of the neck stuff that let him jack into computers
mthrndr01
Don't want to get played like a damned fiddle?
LupusLilium
One could assume proper cyborg parts would have some measure of feedback, might cut out the phantom pain problem.
StarSauce
Prosthetics can be controlled by the motor neurons responsible for the original limb. With sensational feedback, the pain would disappear.
StarSauce
There's a new method of amputation which keeps signalling pathways as in-tact as possible, to controll the prosthesis directly. People who -
StarSauce
Have undergone this treatment describe their phantom limb as being unlocked from a cast, and "assuming" the prothesis.
cheeseguy3412
What I want is likely impossible with our current understanding of physics, so until we can fuck with Conservation of Mass, eh, not enough.
Shrike99
You've piqued my interest. What is it you'd like to be achieved and what pesky physics are standing in the way?
cheeseguy3412
Biological alteration, rather than with direct tech. Transformation, mostly, which would involve adding / removing mass at will
oddmog
I view it like todays trade offs. I really couldn't do without a mobile phone however I'm, tracked, monitored and spied on heavily.
OctoberRaven
Very true. The best you can do sometimes is to mitigate the risk. It's why I don't have an Alexa... not worth it.
oddmog
Unless you literally destroy the mic on all devices it's still a risk. That'd be batshit though and you NEED the functionality.
TygrF
Nobody cares enough about you to track you, monitor you or spy on you
oddmog
It's possible and does happen but same was true pre-digital age too. For the most part yeah it's all collected, looked at? No.
TheDayTheBrainStoodStill
That's the same as saying 'nobody cares about your vote'. Individually? Nobody gives a shit. But as part of the Market? Fuck yeah they care.
IamTheTeapot
Only if they have wireless connectivity. Otherwise you're going to have to get right up to a mofo and jack his porthole.
NullNameAvailable
If there's an optical component, that's a potential attack vector (same for audio)
DidItForScience
Maybe, but you never know what people might be able to do with inductive effects. Or maybe even auditory or lights.
DirtyWolfy
Slide that USB in, AHHH~ not that port, it'll never fit
75townecoupe
Look, if they didn't want it that way, they shouldn't have designed it with HDMI RIGHT NEXT to the USB!
CleverGroom
Search for pacemaker hacks. This has already been happening for years.
OctoberRaven
I'm aware, hence my concerns.
bonetonelord
Don't threaten me with a good time
itsthevoiceman
Don't threaten me with a good time.
shmoogeeoogee
You think im gettimg robot brains and having a fuckin cat5 for internet?
Gen1Optimus
Some people pay good money to have their portholes jacked
PicassoCT
Goto hack the doc or entertainment when they plug in.
RhymingEverything
This needs to be a thing, if anything should own/guard our data it should be our own physical body
Spootanany
Back in my day we called that something else
aPinchofMensch
....jacking in?
Spootanany
As was the style at the time
redditmcredditface
Im gonna EMP a motherfucker if he takes my parking spot. :)
Gatomon02
So we saying jack in instead of jack off?
Strangedays2026
Giggity
CptRobotNinja
Probably get continuous over their air updates Tesla style as well as sending medical information to your doctor. And if you miss a payment
CptRobotNinja
They just turn your liver off. It's the American dream
ConsumerAffairs
SpikeSpiegeil
DianNaoChong
Insulin pumps use radio waves a lot for talking to bgm. And it's not very secure but requires human confirmation still for now...
4vie
Oh, is that what they call it these days?
tarnok
Giggity!
RatElemental
100% chance it requires always online connectivity and a monthly subscription to be able to move your thumbs.
bixby66
You know it's gonna happen. Someone's gonna get all up in your porthole and you'll go "Nuuuuhhhh my tight little porthole!"
ravnicrasol
The real issue will be inability to find parts to fix it or updates. It's a problem we're having IRL already.
Winchester427
DayGloOrangeFrisbee
Mmmmm hardwire my porthole daddy
DeepAnalPenetration
Mhmmm yeah fill up all my holes, wait are we talking about the same thing?
jankeydadondc
PackedCatMeowingPowerDensity
That is a very pretty human.
corvettee01
My serial bus is universal, if you know what I mean.
OperationRustysBlanket
bonk
hassythegreat
Shame on your for making me read that with my own eyes.
heteroscedastic
Putting holes in people is a huge infection risk, so I think most implants are wireless.
LdaQuirm
True, but likewise: putting large batteries in people is impractical, you'd want the transmitter/receiver to be as low-power/short-range >>
heteroscedastic
I don't understand why you are speaking in future tense.
LdaQuirm
"you (would) want" - Present tense, hypothetical. I don't understand why you think it's future tense.
heteroscedastic
Ok then.
LdaQuirm
>> as possible. Touching the skin probably.
alman1234
I’d suspect lower frequency devices would be used in this scenario, payloads probably don’t need to be massive and the benefit of a shorter
alman1234
Longer* wavelength would be transmissibility through the body at lower wattages
OctoberRaven
I suspect bluetooth connectivity will be a standard feature in cybernetics that require user interface.
CrispyNougat
Bluetooth sucks. There are other and better wireless standards
densepixel
Do you know what Bluetooth is, like for real can you describe what is and how it works .
alman1234
I’d wager it’d be something proprietary and/or with unique keys/tokens for manipulation.
abion47
NFC would be just as good if not better and way more secure.
comeintokyo
snarf his beacons daddy
DonnaNobleInTheLibrary
But it'll probably have to be BTLE, so you'd need to get pretty close for a while to hack someone.
jaberdaberjj
I see no reason for anything not under the skin to need wireless connectivity
OctoberRaven
At minimum, for non-invasive diagnostics and firmware updates.
jaberdaberjj
Nothing stopping that from happening with a wired connection
OctoberRaven
Except the manufacturer deciding they want you to do it online, you mean. If you're lucky, they'll let you jack in, sure... (cont)
Shorty5560
Myoelectrics have been a thing for generations, no need for any form of wireless connectivity. And osteointergation has been around for 20yr
SarahPlsz
Myoelectrics aren't as good as many assume they are. Basic functionality, but slim, if any, feedback. Can't return temp/pressure data...
SarahPlsz
...through a myoelectric sensor array. Need some form of neural connectivity to transmit back to brain. Best option is neural implant...
SarahPlsz
...whether that's connecting to existing nerves in the limb or to the brain or the spine. Likely very short range wireless will be necessary
Zreen
why
st0ne56
Because it already is look at CGMs and insulin pumps already there
Zreen
sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen
Firemonsterlols
Same reason as with cell phones I suspect. Most advantages of cybernetics will basically be what we have with our phones but just... in us.
Wor3q
*looks at wireless keyboard and mouse sold with desktop computer* Because humans are weird in this matter...
Zreen
Wireless keyboard and mouse aren't essential to the working order of a brain, heart, lungs, or other vital organs of a human being.
SilentHowling
The interface between nerves and tech will be implanted and the tech will be external. Designers are very careful and don't want 1/2
SilentHowling
Hackable tech to be implanted and not easily removable. Look at neurolink. They want brain to nerve connection implanted but 2/?
SilentHowling
the processing device to be worn. Why? Replaceability, upgradability. So they can sell you more of 'em. Permanent cybernetics isn't 3/?
TheTallDwarf
Creature comfort/convenience. Same reason we got wifi printers for desktop computers. No wires=easier
jimplaysgames10
Yeah but the consequence of someone misusing your printer isn't quite as bad as someone hacking your implants
Zreen
So you're saying it can be removed
Mechman13
With a big enough knife, all of it can
PeakExponent
Your cyborg is low on cyan. You cannot use the death laser until you refill it.
CyborgScribe
THE LASER DOESNT EVEN USE CYAN!