ConnectToReality
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May 9, 2024 7:06 PM
ConnectToReality
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Canadoug
It's very simple. If you want me to go "above and beyond" then pay me to do so. My effort is equal to what you're paying me. I don't work for free. You pay me for 8 hours a day? That's exactly what you'll get. I'll do the job you pay me for. No more, no less.
aThingWithTheStufAndTheJunk
Three important facts about the pizza study: 1.) it was at a well-paying electronics manufacturing company, so everybody's financial needs were already being more than met. 2.) It was not a "pizza party," i.e. a slice or two at work. It was a gift certificate for a pizza place, like $50 to cover dinner for your family. 3.) The guy who did the study was caught fabricating data in a study about honesty.
Chronomechanist
In my team bad management is what let's a lot of my team get away with being lazy.
Lulabel73
It’s funny, if you work at a good place a pizza party is motivating but if you work at a bad place it does the opposite
aThingWithTheStufAndTheJunk
Three important facts about the pizza study: 1.) it was at a well-paying electronics manufacturing company, so everybody's financial needs were already being more than met. 2.) It was not a "pizza party," i.e. a slice or two at work. It was a gift certificate for a pizza place, like $50 to cover dinner for your family. 3.) The guy who did the study was caught fabricating data in a study about honesty.
DangerBaer
My hospital set up a gift basket raffle for each department, and is asking us to pay for the crap in the baskets. Suffice to say I'm not participating.
Recursiv3
My company announced layoffs and wondered why productivity fell
Iblamemyparentstoo
Jewdakris
I mean some of us are lazy, I know I am
MisterLemons
Should we try, you know, paying them more?
ConnectToReality
nO, tHey sHoUld bE grAtEFul tO hAve jObS aT aLl /s
Edowyth
Ironically, having a weekly meeting where management talks to employees at my company is actually helping (mostly). The super-super-super boss still gets it wrong occasionally, but tries to turn it around. Things aren't perfect, but improvement is happening. It turns out that realizing other people are human, too, is the biggest way to improve work.
HeadVoices
Why are there spiderwebs and broken glass in this meme frame?
FrankTheCube
After I don’t know how long I may finally have a manager that cares about the department. Although after the endless shit show, I’m not holding my breath just yet.
MechaNinja
Do ... do you work at Tesla?
rbudrick
Layoffs at my company this week for the first time in 22 years and they flatly told us it was because they didn't make enough to give the shareholders.
boomfish
Both can be true.
ragekritz
If they didn't think that way they wouldn't have their jobs over you. that's why they got hired.
MadameRainbowPants
Ah, my principal this year.
TCooley79
Alternatively…am I slacking at work? No it’s the employer who isn’t motivating me enough.
trigonman3
Stoobs
It's 100% you, Larry!
StillNotYouTube
They're being paid a lot of money to make these decisions. How could they be wrong?
ResentfulSatyr
I work really hard just because it makes me stronger and people around me keep getting caught up in my pace and i have to remind them that they don't pay me better, i just like working hard. And they STILL DO IT.
slayston
On the flip side of those folks, if every manager you work for seems like absolute shit...you might actually be a shitty employee.
MagicChickens
Negative
foreverinchains
Bad management motivates employees to go work somewhere else.
smegheadenergy
That’s what I did! And management was like why would you want to leave?
Jamboeveryone
Mass exodus at my office right now because of shitty management.
SarcasticComment
burn training documentation on the way out. "I'm done here, you all can figure out how my job was done."
TheRealBrebby
I can attest to that...... Been at my new job for a year, been quite nice
SarcasticComment
that or operate within the terrible system you allow. Never reprimand/fire the employee who doesn't do any work, shows up late as all hell, and still leaves early... then don't be shocked when team effort declines.
alt86er
Apparently not enough. I've seen a number of people that did not quit, not switch but still were highly demotivated. But not because they started out that way.
Froggie243
I knew I needed to quit, and other things in life were waiting for me if I did, but it still took me a year to find the courage to go through it while already deeply in burnout. I ended up sleeping/being a zombie for a week because my brain couldn't think anymore. I came through thanks to people stepping up to help which I never would have expected or asked. It was the hardest thing I've had to go through.
HumBugBear
I've unfortunately worked in quite a few bad environments in my time so far. It always boggled my mind how someone can work for a place and make next to nothing for decades while someone as myself starts making $3-8 more per hour than them and we're doing the same job. It's become a red flag for me to vet employers out.
LiterallyAWizard
It's surprisingly easy to be convinced that you're trapped where you are, especially if where you want to be is dramatically different with a vastly dissimilar skillset required.
TsungiHorn
It's cause when work is dragging you down so hard, it leaves you with no energy to fill out job applications at night. That's why I'm filling mine out during the workday.
alt86er
I know exactly what you mean. Worst case: It fucks you up so good that you kind find the energy even after you quit. That's why it's so important to act early on, before it takes its toll.
TouchofSatan
Whitebeardthepirate
and then watch as they shut down the business for "not being manageable anymore"
TouchofSatan
What's it like to be a puss? A boot licker who never wants to try to make anything better?
Whitebeardthepirate
wouldn't know. what's it like to be someone on the internet like yourself, who has to insult others to make themselves feel better?
TouchofSatan
I mean I do feel a little better
Trainman
Asadsadsadclown
“How to be a bratty corporate bottom”
BythepowerofchristIamtheLaderlappen
LitterBoxKing
They rewarded us by laying us off. At least you got pizza.
ConnectToReality
I was being facetious about the pizza. We only ever get told that we need go above and beyond after we already did.
maincarrot
"K but, like, do it some more." *Receives gold star from upper management for being a motivated and insightful manager who is receiving a $25,000 bonus this year* "ok guys, it's a new year now 👏👏 let's keep up the pace here and go above and beyond. You guys did great last year but this year I think we can do better! 👏👏 And remember, next week is Diane's going away party, so bring something nice for her and remember to cook something for the potluck! 👏👏 Alright let's go everyone!"
maincarrot
🚨‼️BREAKING NEWS‼️🚨"This weekend over 500 employees at the BranchBork facility committed a mass suicide. Only one note was left behind as it has a picture of Carl McFedderin, their regional manager."
SirNameless
I would be hard pressed not to respond with, "then you need to start going above and beyond with our wages."
ConnectToReality
I wish I could. What I will ask is what concrete measures and stipulations they use to gauge whether an employee went above and beyond.
DangerBaer
👈😎👈
Baggsy13
Sounds like a bit of both.
Subsound
BoTh SiDeS
SarcasticComment
bad managers make lazy employees. I've witnessed a team burn out carrying a coworker who was dead weight. Guy is always late, doesn't do any work, and leaves early. Their getting away with it killed the motivation of top producers carrying the load.
ConnectToReality
It'll always boil down to bad management, they get paid to bear that responsibility. A good manager would get rid of the employees that don't want to be there and inspire those that do.
HumBugBear
Sometimes it's not that easy. I've had to hold onto people doing terrible performances while my whole department suffered because my manager would not let us get rid of them for some arbitrary reason. Making us all work harder. I guess they felt if that person built up enough resentment throughout the entire department that they would just quit and not have to pay the unemployment insurance.
ConnectToReality
You don't get unemployment if you get fired for incompetence, you get unemployment if you get laid off because your employer no longer has a position to place you in. And the description of your situation reinforces what I said about it always boiling down to bad management. The manager that allowed that situation to continue is a bad manager.
HumBugBear
I suppose. I did my best for my team and I stand by that. Company cuts are what they are and were out of my control. I trained and retrained and worked with them and tried to mentor people. Most of my department had a very friendly attitude and we all asked for help and helped each other when we needed it or wanted it. Have you ever been a manger of people? What would you have done in those circumstances?
EaNasirIsABastard
And you think that is good management?
HumBugBear
My manager? No. He had his good points. But there was quite a bit of crap going on always. I have since left the company for that reason.
EMHPicardo
Mostlydeadpool
I suspect the issue isn't living wages as much as it is rents. most people pay at least 30% of their check in rent. you can raise the wages all you want but if you can't control rents, it doesn't fucking matter.
Skywatcher16
its both. wages have been largely stagnant since the fucking regan admin, regardless of inflation rate or cost of living. the fact that
Skywatcher16
rent/mortgages/home prices are also arbitrarily outrageous are simply piling on the problem.
Whitebeardthepirate
and then she took a baseball bat to the side of his head, as he screamed before he blacked out: "NO ONE WANTS TO WORK ANYMORE!"
acuteavocado7
its funny, i guarantee most of the business owners who say this WOULD be able to pay a living wage if they were forced to and still stay open. they always make it out like the business is teetering on the brink, but if minimum wage was raised they would just grumble about *slightly reduced profits* and not close their doors.
VaultGirl69
It's not the business teetering. It's their personal debts. They have little too no self control and feel they deserve more than they have. They also have assets to fall back on when the debt is out of hand, but it's easier to put the burden on the business instead of being responsible with their finances.
KuldFyt
TripleDane
If just salaries was based on the value of production rather than a arbitrary set level. it doesn matter if i make 1 mill or 10 million worth of value to the company they are not paying me more for that. So instead take my rewards from being better productive by using less hours on actual work...
Zyrixion
I mean, when the fruits of our labor are stolen from us either way, why produce more than you have to?
jayman0123
I'm an hourly at a company and i have a few people report to me. I've been there so long and kept the standards at the right level, that the business has grown from 45ish million a year, to about 70ish million a year, and about 15-18 million of that is out of my department. I've been in my position for about 14 years. It averages out to over a million dollar increase each year. I only make about 6 dollars more an hour than when I was first hired for the position....
imtiredboss
It actually used to be that way in during the industrial revolution. Not exactly sure how it evolved to a set wage, but it ultimately just results in lower productivity because there is no incentive to do more.
pancreas
look up Ford vs. Dodge Brothers
Zyrixion
Yes...I do wonder whatever happened to make things this way...
ElChupaNuggra
Earlier than that, Ford attempted to set a standard to increase employee wages in conjuction with productivity, Shareholders SUED him, and it when before the Supreme Court, who ruled that it is a Business's OBLIGATION to maximize profits and returns to Shareholders, not seek greater benefit or better conditions for workers. After that we have been slowly screwed over more and more.