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He finished strong...
EDIT: Holy hell. Front page. Never been here before.
Matt Wallace is a hell of an author, and you should check out his body of work. Especially the 'Sin du Jour' series. It's pretty damn funny.
Xenarion
I've met lots of people who can't make the difference between an opinion and a fact. That makes me sad.
hwatL4bloopy
no, that is a flapjack
hwatL4bloopy
under a pancake
MrWobblyHead
The argument from popularity fallacy is all too common.
urhedsonfire
this is basically how sites with voting on comments work.
Shimobe
#genderdysphoria
Jenvas
Observed from the outside, I must agree.
GigFledge
I quite liked that ending
Hurantsu
The thing is some people don't care about facts. They willingly deny facts for their personal agenda.
SungHoOver
https://i.imgflip.com/1v74m2.jpg
Xenarion
That sentence was made at a fixed time. Just because it has doesn't mean it always had and always will have.
SungHoOver
CydonianCyborg
Gibbermouth
Beat me to it. Boop
SuspiciousCactus
With only this to go on I would wager that this fellow is probably 85% the way to becoming what he complains about. "My opinions are facts!"
AllTheGoodUsernamesWereTaken
To all "but both parties are the same" people in the comments - tell me, which party is the one that denies how many people were in the (1/2
AllTheGoodUsernamesWereTaken
inaugural crowd despite photographic and video evidence showing them to be objectively factually wrong.
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mikeatike
There are people that honestly think if there are 2 possible answers that there is automatically a 50/50 chance either is right.
MinorityOpinion
Go on then, tell me, am I drinking tea or coffee?
TGWeaver
I'm genuinely surprised, but pleased, to see Imgur actually upvoting a guy calling out racists in denial.
MinorityOpinion
You see what you want to see.
Mexicohere
I disagree. That rabbit has a flapjack on its head
khele
Problem is, him knowing cats arent iphones doesnt mean he doesnt think dogs are light bulbs.
MinorityOpinion
Bingo!
toasteheh
This is the 2 party system mentality in a nut shell. People support issues based on what side they belong to, not if facts support it.
TGWeaver
It's pure tribalism. Certain people don't even have a compass anymore. It's just "our guy does it = good, their guy does it = bad".
Molvanian
Christ I wish I didn't have such clear examples in my life of that...
Sassmachine
You can be of that opinion if you want. It IS an opinion. That said, opinions can be wrong.
biscuitsngravybelly
TinySupreme
What if my cats name is iPhone?
SkyrimForTheDragons
https://imgur.com/dFFS8JJ.jpg
5po0ky
Superposition in a nutshell
jhs2595
My opinions are facts, because I modify them based known information. If new info makes it false, I change it to match what's true.
MinorityOpinion
You're wrong - or omniscient.
GalacticSpaceLemon
I think questioning your reality is one of the most important things one can do as long as one is willing to work hard to find the truth \1
GalacticSpaceLemon
\2 and accept the answers one may find. Maybe if you look a bit harder that cat is really an iphone covered in a blanket. Blindly \3
GalacticSpaceLemon
\3 following the concensus is no way to live, but niether is losing oneself in conspiracy and fantasy.
ReaperNo1
In my opinion, that's a skillet cake.
TheGiggityGuy
hideyokidshideyowifis
FranxNBeans
FlapJack!
BombBloke
It's a pikelet.
HaikuCarChase
You are correct. Source: I've thought extensively about skillet cakes, & post about it on reddit. The best way to make them is with hops.
ShhhDontAskQuestions
Are you sure it isn't a Hotcake?
ReaperNo1
Yes. My opinion is a skillet cake and my opinion is correct. There's at least 3 people that agree with me. We're discoursing.
ShhhDontAskQuestions
What if I find 3 people to agree it is a hotcake?
ReaperNo1
You'd be wrong, because in my opinion it's a skillet cake and my opinion is the correct one.
ShhhDontAskQuestions
Clearly you and your comrades would be incorrect because my opinion is newer and therefore superior in my opinion
sakkehattu
So wait, why is there a pancake on top of that skillet cake?
UnassumingAscotCap
You are right.
HD226868
You've convinced me. That's a skillet cake.
JetstreamGW
Release the hounds.
hangar
There are three of us now.
EddardStawk
Okay, well what do you mean by "cake"?
chickenmilanga
Let's have discourse then.
ReaperNo1
True Story: I had my kids at a civil war reenactment and they were making pancakes over a fire. I was rather harshly corrected to "skillet"
BuckBoost
Discourse is just another word for intercourse.
hangar
The word "pancake" is a myth—say 58 peer-reviewed scientific papers published in 2017. The so-called "Consensus" on pancake is a massive lie
Diabeticdoginaminefield
Skillet cake and pancake mean the same thing though. So really both sides are right.
hangar
President Obama has stoked controversy after he suggested that there was no great difference between pancake and skillet cake
MechanusIncarnate
That's not an opinion, that's a dialect. Or maybe a jargon, or a slang. Some word that an English prof would say.
Flagrum
Well, that is _your_ opinion...
MinorityOpinion
(Colloquialism.)
MechanusIncarnate
That sounds about right, thanks.
normandygahn
Flailing in the wind to make yourself feel better. Talk to people, understand why they think the way they do. Trump's election was a 1/2
normandygahn
rejection of the status quo and Hillary Clinton in particular, not just an endorsement of racism. And misinformed morons are not new. 2/2
MillenialJesus
I think "build the wall" and "ban them" shows me exactly what they think. Also the Nazi salutes. ALL the Nazi salutes.
normandygahn
Agreed, fuck Nazis and Neo-confederate apologists, but that's not what put Trump over the top is my point. People feel used and hopeless 1/2
normandygahn
after decades of bad policies that shit on the working class. They wanted something, ANYTHING to switch it up. 2/2
MillenialJesus
All people feel used and hopeless, but minorites weren't throwing up Nazi signs, attacking people and calling for war and torture
CalicoChris
Idk why the president was brought into it like if you agree with him you're wrong "because facts". Presidents are elected based on
CalicoChris
Opinion, whether or not you agree with the president is irrelevant. If the country made a bad decision, either prove with facts that he
CalicoChris
Should be impeached or elect a new one the next term. Otherwise quit your bitching. Disagree with me if you want but either you accept the
CalicoChris
President for who he is, or like i said, prove with facts that he is impeachable. Otherwise i agree with everything he said :)
DanTheStanMan
Aren't there better sites to post huge ranting essays in?
Molvanian
If your goal is to be seen by a wide range of people? Probably not.
GadenKerensky
Yes, but they don't necessarily have the same level of audiences.
SocialMediaMakesUsLessSocial
Imgur also has a 140 character limit.
Criscartersfallguys
We're taught that we're entitled to our opinion. NO, you're not. If it's false OR affects ANYBODY else, you've lost that entitlement.
MinorityOpinion
Hey, dumbass, your opinion affects me, so - per your rule - you are no longer entitled to it.
Criscartersfallguys
You're the reason we're in the spot we're in. Not smart enough to fully grasp a topic and try false equivalency to undermine it.
MinorityOpinion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence
MinorityOpinion
Wrong. I didn't even make an opposing argument, must less draw a comparison. I applied your stupid rule to you, dumbass.
Criscartersfallguys
https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_analogy
MinorityOpinion
THERE ARE NO FUCKING ANALOGIES HERE, YOU STUPID FUCKING CUNT!
Criscartersfallguys
Two can post articles if need be. You created a false equivalency. Your argument follows a singular aspect of mine but ignores the rest.
MinorityOpinion
I think you must be a troll -you don't seem to know any of the words you're using.
justherefortheshitposting
On the one hand I agree with the sentiment, but on the other I suspect he'd be a wee bit hypocritical in the application of it.
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JapAnus
He mentioned Trump, so most likely he's talking about politics. The field which, without discourse, dies and becomes corrupt.
RecurringNightmare
but the discourse has to be about opinons and not about facts, because everyone has to start with the same facts, there are no alternative >
RecurringNightmare
> facts...so instead of discussing the question if there is climate change the discourse has to be about what we do about it, because >
RecurringNightmare
> everyone involved in the process has to start with the fact that there is climate change...<<<
IATTM
Just wait until he gets deep into behavioral sciences where things are only educated guesses and we still don't know how some things work.
Caspooky
Probably because of the lack of sourcing (which he deems faulty anyway), and the opinionated way of speech. But aren't we all hypocrits? :P
samuelphipps131337
I am a tomato ????
TGWeaver
Based on what? I don't know the guy, does he have a history of it?
Icouri
Accept he's jaded and take his sentiment. Dilute out the hypocricy and cynicism and spread it. Pass it on.
asmasm
You only suspect that bc you assume he's liberal, you disagree w some liberal ideas and think your opinions are facts that he'd disagree w.
justherefortheshitposting
Nah. I suspect it because the cut of his jibe runs parallel to a lot of hypocrites I've encountered. I'm far-left on most shit, but people
justherefortheshitposting
incapable of making honest arguments or prone to engaging in anti-democratic or bigoted rhetoric for the sake of ideology aren't good even
justherefortheshitposting
if I should theoretically agree with them on a number of p oints.
Molvanian
That's a hell of an assumption. If I were to make one JustHere, I'd say it's about the potential to apply it to things that aren't so
Molvanian
clear cut, to use it to shut down discourse about commonly held beliefs, that could be how it could be used hypocritically. However
Molvanian
both that assertion, and my own, are guesses. See this is a case where we don't have a fact. We can draw some reasonable guesses,
asmasm
Yep, agree. The danger is that people conflate "commonly held beliefs" with truths. That's the whole issue
Molvanian
note that if there's any internal consistency to it then it self regulates, ect. So let me add a little something. When you don't have
EmoryToss17
This is just a well worded rant where a guy throws out a bunch of excuses to not have to defend his views against critical analysis. 1/2
EmoryToss17
Socrates would be extremely disappointed. If someone is being racist, talk to them about why/how they are being racist. Both sides will 2/3
EmoryToss17
Grow as a result of the exchange.
EmoryToss17
For example: The Confederate flag is bad, and represents a legacy of slavery. The seccession & civil war were almost purely about slavery->
MinorityOpinion
So, ... what's a confederacy?
MinorityOpinion
So it represents what you say it represents? Must be nice to have such power.
EmoryToss17
I believe this and can defend my beliefs against ppl who disagree with objective facts and evidence. In doing so I can reduce ignorance in->
AllTheGoodUsernamesWereTaken
You haven't talked to any racists if you think it's so easy
EmoryToss17
the world l. By attacking people and just stating over and over again that what you believe is self evident and doesn't need to be ->
Kiore
An additional problem though is people who think their beliefs and opinions are fact, and then refuse to discuss them.
Cuntard
like the guy who wrote this
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JohnnyRadman
He literally gave examples of opinions, and called them objective fact, then said we needed to be closed to discussion. He's a hypocrite.
JohnnyRadman
I'd sooner have idiots open to discussion than have idiots who are close minded. The former breeds tedium. The latter, violent extremism.
CabNumber1729
It all just reduces to the same problem. Who gets to decide, that is a fact. Ultimately everything has to be up for debate in some way.
SuddenlySarah
Is that a fact?
ballerinawannabe
We also hold different values, which cause us to come up with diametrically opposed solutions to the same problems.
5po0ky
Which is fine, but there are instances where people decide that a problem isn't even a problem because feelings
52pickup
No only that; that the people that are willing to discuss, are coming from a different universal definition of what is being discussed >
52pickup
Nobody gets anywhere when you're talking about something, but one person's understanding of it it completely different from another's >
52pickup
It means from the get-go, you're not even on the same level ground. Hard to get anywhere from there.
MrFnortner
People who think their opinions have meaning are the real problem.
AwkwardLee
Had a "friend" who would literally put her fingers in her ears and sing "lalalalala" while I wanted to talk about evolution.
5po0ky
Tell her 99% of all life that ever existed on Earth is extinct. That shuts down the literal creationism myth pretty quickly. I don't think
5po0ky
evolution disproves creation either, you can believe in God and accept evolution as the mechanism. Personally we are living in a holographic
5po0ky
Universe that's basically a simulation, but good luck with that one
AwkwardLee
I not-so-secretly also believe we're in a virtual reality.
Showmeyourotters
Even following scientific creation theories like the Big Bang Theory, you get to a point where no one knows and it's not that unreasonable
Showmeyourotters
to say it was God's doing. They're not mutually exclusive; both could be correct. Just pieces of the full story. Imo we aren't really meant
JapAnus
Just like it's a "fact" there are 32 different genders, and if you disagree you're a racist sexist homophobic ableist transphobic shitlord.
Kiore
Just ignorant at the base level of it, but people who feel the need to be outspoken jerks about the issue often are those things as well.
IncitatusForConsul
Not all people are so aggressive about the topic. Avoid blanket statements, a lot of people are willing to talk instead of simply attacking.
5po0ky
There are still two genders you walnut.
Kiore
There's not only two genders. There's not even two entirely distinct sexes - there are too many aspects of sex that can vary independently.
5po0ky
Yes, that's why I said gender not sex
Kiore
Right, and there's a lot more than two of those recognized both historically and across cultures.
MASSIVESPACEMONKEY
Wouldn't the fact of it be that there are two definitive sexes and that humans have a subjective interpretation of what those sexes mean /1
MASSIVESPACEMONKEY
and involve within a society which they label as gender? Thus it's subjective and people start making shit up and arguing? 2/2
brevemike
No. There are two genders and a spectrum of sexual expression between them. Kind of like the hot and cold water knobs in a shower.
tpgreyknight
In my opinion, posting 1,000 word essays on twitter is stupid. And that's an objective fact.
jpparkenbone
I stubbornly hold to my opinion that I agree. Now let us discuss.
SadCannibalNoises
It's a fact that it's your opinion.
LinearAlgebro
couldn't you type it all up, take a screenshot, and post that?
SocialMediaMakesUsLessSocial
Imgur and Twitter share the same character limit. Tumblr and Facebook do not. That's an objective fact.
tpgreyknight
On Twitter it had a ~sensible origin, since people could text their tweets in and there's a character limit there. Imgur has no excuse.
IMoveWithTheEleganceOfAnAfricanElephant
I've made a similar argument in print media. This guy's twitter thing will have been read by like 3 orders of magnitude more people today.
tpgreyknight
I don't care about the print/digital divide, just the fact that anything extensive posted on twitter is split into lots of ridiculous little
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pieces.
IMoveWithTheEleganceOfAnAfricanElephant
I see what you did there. +1
GadenKerensky
I understand what you mean but if people take the time to read it, people that would come across this rather than look for essays, it's good
TraitorousTrump3
In my opinion, antifa stands for anti-fascist. I'm ok with that.
Sir83chris
And DPRK stands for Democratic People's Republic of Korea
AnonOmis1000
Well you can say the same for PETA, but their actions are what people take issue with, not their name.
TraitorousTrump3
Like getting run over by a car?
AnonOmis1000
You say that like that's the only thing that they ever do, get run over by cars. But that's blatantly not true.
TraitorousTrump3
WHITE???? SUPREMACISTS???? ARE???? COMMITTING???? COUNTLESS???? ACTS???? OF???? DOMESTIC???? TERRORISM???? FUCK???? YOUR???? OPINION???? OF?
TraitorousTrump3
https://www.propublica.org/article/white-supremacists-joked-about-using-cars-to-run-over-opponents-before-charlottesville
AnonOmis1000
yeah, and? That's relevant how?