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Is violence okay against those who support ICE, not really. (Does ICE deserve massive amounts of violence used against them in response for them being the jackboots of a fascist administration, who am I to say) But I applaud brown hoodie guy for teaching this douchenozzle a lesson… if you are going to be a dickhead in public, expect people to want to punch you.
Geokhan
These are the same people who like bellowing threats. Who think they have a monopoly on violence. Which is why this fuck genuinely thought no one would risk trouble and respond to him being an ass.
JohnWickdidnothingwrong
Violence is not "ok" or "not ok", it's a tool, like radium, guns, or AI. This clip is that rare example of a fully valid use of that tool as a response to what I'd certainly argue are "Fighting Words" as defined in law.
The belligerent here is the sign-holder. He is plainly intending to incite a breach of peace.
bourbonandbaddecisions
We’re at the tipping point where we need to dispense with the pleasantries and treat these people exactly as they should be treated. I agree Violence isn’t always the answer but it is an option.
Kyzyl
"you are going to get in trouble"
*your terms are acceptable*
>pop<
509tigerfish
kurvarVillain
VirreyHeinz
Fucking security cowards.
ParryLost
"Is violence okay against those who support ICE, not really." Wait, why not? They support violence, and are actively making the world worse.
SciFiGuy2018
...and this is my BOOMSTICK!
Kyzyl
Sign dude probably made sure to be close to where security was.
WalkItOutLikeTheFlash
Lake Zurich…Illinois? You know what they say about Illinois nazis.
bottledham
perlninja
I hate Illinois nazis...
dingybasement350
"Okay."
Fucking legend.
perlninja
Mimimi it's against school code mimimi ... little fucker needs to get punched some more. Mostly because he probably doesn't actually support ICE, he just wants to be a twatwaffle.
DdCno1
I wouldn't be surprised if it quickly became a game to punch this annoying little Nazi shit at this school.
perlninja
One can hope...
yesdearmetoo
NorrinxRadd
I dont know who this dude is, but this motha fucka right here, shit he's good people
burningcouchwv
Dude, listen…the resistance needs you. Find a trainer. In 2028 your time will come. STUDY, PRACTICE, BE THE MAN
Fynndango
I don't know this kid, but I'm so proud of him
frozenlake247
Feel like this kid deserves a crowd fund….
eatyourmeat
Fuck with a man’s tacos and learn a lesson
sevenfingerman
Good lad.
WarpHype
This is a guy I'd donate to a gofundme for. He deserves good things for standing up for what's right.
Chefpnut
I love the way he clapped his hands before he swung.
WackyWavingInflatableArmFlailingTubman
#1 what a pussy. "Noo noOo no swearing". Like fuck off
TheStreetForce
"You can go peacefully fuck youeself" XD
UnreasonablyImprudentPerson
I’d argue he consented to that punch from that Absolute Legend. Good on him for standing up against bullies and tyranny.
mangoinparis
I never realized it was right in front of a security guard! This guy just keeps getting better.
ElbowDeepInSaintCelestine
It's funny because he LET that security guard stop him. Dude has more decorum than whatever sign dude can conjure up in his tiny bucket of troll.
freakdiablo
Just shows how wimpy the nazi is. "Oh if I stand right in front of security, no one will touch me!"
kurvarVillain
"I support ice" is hate speech.
Imagine a sign that said, "I support the Sturmabteilung" in 1940s Germany, but then view it through the lens of modern Germany. In modern Germany, this person would be in jail.
Conz
it's not that he supports ice, its that he's just trying to provoke / instigate a response to get others in trouble. This is literally 100% what nazi's did and still do to try and normalize themselves.
ziralien
Big guy did nothing wrong.
MapleSyrupMafia
What are you even talking about? I saw nothing!
BurnieCinders
In fact, he did something right.
distractedFreek
MrsHowVeryDareYou
Brown hoodie certainly had a better punch than all of us sitting on our phones reposting “someone should do something”. And a better punch than all the other kids in that hallway.
memepawn
Totally agree. But the school district will undoubtedly have to treat this as campus violence, and the brown shirt hero will get punished where the ice-bully won’t even get a stern look
idiotsonfire
That's why whenever someone wanted to mete out justice in school they'd follow the person home and beat the shit out of them off campus.
ParryLost
But letting the ice-bully walk around being an asshole unchallenged is a worse outcome than what you just described.
memepawn
Debatable. This kid could be expelled or jailed, both of which would destroy his future prospects. Even if we win this war, oust Trump and imprison his ICE sycophants, HE will still bear that mark.
DorgEndo
That's the shit that always happened in school. One person being a bully doesn't get in trouble. But then someone pushes back (literally or metaphorically) then the school punishes both bully and victim. Our culture feels fucking broken where evil and agitators always get their way
bamblebimble
The ice bully will likely think twice before talking shit or else he may get hit again.
ziralien
It was enough to send a message.
Grimlinnan
Apoxyus
I wish I could buy that guy a beer or joint whatever he would prefer.
HisDudness
'YOU GOT KNOCKED THE FUCK OUT!'
jeejeejerrycotton
Of course violence is OK against those who support the SA and/or SS. Why the fuck would it not be?
memepawn
Probably because the school district and police will look at this evidence and instantly jump to the “it’s illegal to assault people, and especially bad when they are doing it peacefully.” The law will make brown shirt hero pay for the trouble that the ice-fetishist created.
jeejeejerrycotton
Yeah schools and police in previous Nazi regimes have had pretty strict rules against violence against Nazis. What's your fucking point?
Wikitoria
Don't you Yanks have a "fighting words" defense in law?
I'm not saying it would be a successful defense but if you're going down go down swinging.
RyvaTheRenamon
The law is not morality. It is always okay to commit violence in defense of yourself, your loved ones, or others who cannot protect themselves.
jalcantara88127001
This guy doesn't even care either way. Not that he can really understand the weight of what he is saying. He's just going for shock value. These asshats become the worst people imaginable.
AliensProbably
'become'? My dude, he's already there.
defensivebackhair
The impression I get is that he was hoping for this reaction
straycatstrut
I think that's true of most right-wing grifters. Everyone understands that the quickest and easiest path to e-fame is rage bait
huffnpuff72
It appears that way. He got internet famous for looking for a confrontation. Just a shame the punch wasn't more effective.
JoeT85
it could be that he is one of those little assholes that think putting kids in cages is a good idea. There was Hitler youth too.
Wikitoria
Miller was exactly this kid in school, that's not hyperbole.
BabeAfett
Also that dumb fuck who got his ass kicked by Anthony Joshua and his dumb fuck brother.
bananaflavoredcandyishorrible
True story, there is are videos of him pulling shit like this when was in high school
Fynndango
If only someone had punched his lights out when he was 16 instead of giving him any attention
MrPengy
Punching a guy who is just standing there, giving his opinion, is a violation of his rights.
BUT, he is advocating for a group that does nothing except violate rights. So fuck his rights, he chose his side, and he chose wrong.
Scugwuh7
His opinion supports Nazis. That makes him a Nazi.
It is ALWAYS morally correct to attack Nazis.
ForTheBestReally
The paradox of tolerance strikes again… literally. A tolerant culture cannot tolerate intolerant rhetoric, it breaks the social contract
OutboardOverlord
In answer to your question: Yes, they fucking do. They deserve the violence they get, because they are banking on NOT GETTING PUSHBACK, that is how fascists operate.
JoeT85
The push back is exactly what they want, so they can claim being oppressed and justify being aggressive. If they catch a beating, they get to claim to be the victim. it's really thin line.
Mobat555
Its not what they want, they want us to never figure out that there are far far more ants then grasshoppers.
Arbitrarynamehere
People really need to understand that violence over a difference in opinion is very different than a difference in opinion on deploying unfathomable state violence against minorities. No, you should get fucking rocked for saying that shit.
They're saying they want to do violence to others but want to hide behind the "legitimacy" of state violence. It's self defense to deal with them like the kid in the video did.
ForTheBestReally
And who knows. Maybe, just maybe, this is exactly the shit that kid needs to straighten him out. Motherfucking consequences are a hell of a drug, and when you catch them young it’s easier to set them straight
Grenkak12
KawaiiInari
Since when has playing nice with Nazis EVER fucking paid out for the good of society? Fuck Nazis.
weerdo
They seem to enjoy it.. yes they deserve that. But it has to be surprise violence.. like a sudden attack when they least expect it.
It's just a shame that carrying a big pot of boiling oil all day and wait for the right moment is inconvenient
anappalachian
Correct, supporting ICE and being a Nazi is implied violence, which deserves violence as defense.
Unclescam
Any violence against them is self defense as their entire ideology is violence and oppression.
If only that wasn't a greased up slip n slide slope of a mindset...
Draygen
People have lived too long without the risk of getting their skull cracked open. A barbaric society is by far the more polite and peaceful society, as it is difficult to be rude when giving offense might get an axe through your neck.
cantbelievethisisstillavailable
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Mindshard
Roehcai
Paradox of tolerance. "To maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance, as unchecked tolerance toward intolerant ideologies allows them to destroy the tolerant society." Fascists and bigots *must* be an exception to what can be tolerated, if we are to have a sane and humanitarian society.
CrimsonPermanentAssurance
There is no paradox. Tolerance is a social contract that you buy into. When you give it, you get it.
encrypteddecryption
Fascists and bigots think the same way. Only they think you are intolerant of their beliefs.
It's actually more nuanced than that, and not a particularly strong argument as it tends to subjective, shifting criteria.
It does, however, make for great propaganda for people looking to accept positions without thinking about them.
The true way to deal with intolerance is to set up laws that balance the right of speech against the safety of others.
You can't just erase everyone you disagree with.
foreverinchains
Tolerance is a societal contract, not a moral obligation.
If a person or group fails to abide by the terns if this contract by being intolerant, then they are no longer subject to its protection.
A tolerant society must not tolerate the intolerant.
There is no paradox of tolerance.
frozenlake247
Semantics but I’d argue the “Paradox of Tolerance” as a philosophical concept exists as in the named phenomena describing what APPEARS (from a limited perspective) to be a paradox. It’s got a simple “solution” so it’s not an actual existent paradox but that’s kinda the nature of paradox. They don’t generally exist but identifying things that appear paradoxical is a useful and effective learning/investigation tool.
richardstinks
It is important to know that the kid filming was not "supporting ICE," he was being a bully and filming himself doing so. That sign was intended as a middle finger to any student of color and the others who stand with their peers. That kid didn't give a fuck about a government agency until it was edgy to do so, and he got more "attention" than he expected.
jaakkopaakkonen
He was supporting ICE, period. I cannot understand why would you try to spin it.
4Astaroth
More of the kids should just punch these bullies.
Fynndango
And yet him uploading this video has given heart and hope to so many people because that one kid stood up
Cyandvai
If he was live streaming there's no need to upload.
Salakakku
It really doesn't matter at what point you start supporting something or why you do it. When you carry a sign as a support of something you are supporting them.
Doing something on video to get attention doesn't erase what you are doing.
richardstinks
We don't have to get into a whole hair-splitting discussion, but I considered intent and audience when I phrased it that way. I highly doubt, to almost certainty, that he even considered what was happening on the streets and was only looking for a way to be contentious.
I'm kinda stuck knowing I agree with you from a certain point, but phrasing it is difficult. Just know we're not far from the same page at all.
nation543
This is a very Charlie Kirk thing to do. Kids being contrary just because they can, just to get attention and rile people up.
"That's against school code" -- the fucking kid is being a fucking troll, and he knows it. He claims victimhood just the same as Charlie Kirk and any other fascist.
levelor
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