It has become painfully clear to me that neither democrats nor republicans, be it the representatives or their electorate, have any fucking idea what socialism means.
TBF, I 100% agree with the government subsidizing farms and farmers. At least, non-corporate farms. It’s a critical part of our national infrastructure and we should be providing subsidies for all kinds of crops and farms, not just dairy and corn.
A. August is too late to begin to pay bills due in June. B. Republicans have long been comfortable with passing laws inline with socialism. Their issue with socialism is, it can only go to "Special People" like farmers and oil companies.
Keep giving away state money so... You have to raise taxes, and needing to give money so people could have a job... Thats pretty close to comunism, people in much sectors earning at last state money because their activity doesnt give profit, and surprise the state is forcing it
Surely the rugged & resourceful individualists in America's farming heartland won't take this socialist gubermint money, right? Not while they have bootstraps?
NO. That's FUCKING NOT SOCIALISM. Bailing out megacorps isn't socialism, it's FUCKING CAPITALISM. America perpetuates this deluded idea that "farmers" are somehow these small family owned businesses growing produce on their little plots of land to just barely make an honest wage, but that couldn't be fucking further from the truth. Farming is industrialized megacorps... TARIFFS DO NOT AFFECT SMALL-SCALE FARMERS SELLING DOMESTICALLY. Holy fuck, how does this even need to be said? Fuck me, KMS.
That was just the beginning. His 1st term collected ~$28B in tariffs. His admin then had to pay farmers and ranchers ~$28B for tariff loses. On top of that, US made products went up because tariffs have a tendency to increase what the market will bear.
Fuck those farmers. They voted for it. What about the children whos parents were taken from them? Fix that first instead of helping obese racist white dudes
Yep, idgaf if they get bought by corpos. If anything the idea of the former owners becoming serfs on land they once owned cus they wanted to be dumb as shit is hilarious to me.
Farmers, as a profession, are virtually unrivaled as welfare queens living off US government largess. And, of course, they are also collectively very concerned that some black person in the city might be taking the government for $11k/yr in welfare.
This was from Trump 2016. That's why we shouldn't crop out timestamps.
Who knows .maybe he'll bail farmers out again. Or maybe he won't... is it better that everyone suffers or Trump picks the winners? Morally I can't decide which is worse.
His voters need to suffer. For no other reason than they need to know what they're putting on people even if it won't change their mind. They shouldn't be able to avoid the consequences from their irrational, unthinking decisions.
Yeh, I'm just not willing to assume all farmers are Trump voters. And I can't condone group punishment because there are more guilty than innocent. If you think about it, that is literally what MAGA did, fucking themselves over cause they expected the non-MAGA to get it worse. And say what you want about leopards and faces, surveys so far don't show a lot of remorse. Seems to make it clear Hanlons razor does not describe MAGA: they are more malice than stupidity (though still very stupid).
It'll never happen. It's being announced so people will think how great trump is, but no farmer will get any cash. They have to save it all for the billionaires.
This is why you don't use pictures with words as sources. Verify and list sources or don't share it. Imgur is in deep with confirmation bias this way, even though things often *are* as ridiculous as they're presented.
I was gonna argue that OP technically never claimed this to be recent (although you could argue it was implied), but I just realized they literally tagged this as "current events" lol.
Which means that since this is an old article and we know that farmers are currently hurting, this is actually worse that there's no news on farmers being bailed out... right?
I'm not sure I follow your point. Is it worse that it's happening and nobody is reporting it? Or is it worse that it's not happening? Either one is subjective to whatever opinion you have on economics/consequences.
If only there were some government agency that bought a lot of crops from the farmers and then sent the crops places they'd be helpful. Trump should implement that and take credit for it. Perhaps call it USAID or something, that seems catchy
Everyone needs to fucking chill. This is from 2019! @OP or someone removed the timestamp. This is nothing but regurgitated OLD NEWS. Fucking @OP posts this crap without the date and with no source and everyone is losing their shit? Where's that asteroid when we need it.
You are right about the article being from 2019. Also the total for the bailout was $28 billion. Now let me ask you this, the last trade war was mostly about soybeans and that was the damage. This one covers everything what do you think will be the damage this time?
That's not the discussion though - the discussion is the OP deliberately posted misinformation in-order to outrage and mislead people. Are we going to be better than Fox News regurgitating degens, or just use a different set of lies we find more agreeable to justify ourselves?
1500 upvotes on this propaganda. Do we want to build a world and identities and ideologies and worldview based on facts and rational thought, or just feel the catharsis of extreme emotion while being lead around by our noses by people trying to manipulate us?
Except that tariffs aren't being removed...they're being reduced (on a 90-day interim basis). So there will still be tariffs on goods, which means the consumer will still pay more than they did before. And, they could go back up after 90 days.
Of course not, everyone's faith in the trading partnerships have been shaken and many countries will no longer trust or consider the American dealers reliable. Especially since the tariffs could come back at any day, without warning. Better to just trade with other countries and avoid the risk.
people like stability, and when they are forced to find something when america has tariffs up, they will keep using that something until something makes them switch around again, to whatever is best at the time.
Yep, that’s one of the worst parts about the “they took advantage of us” .. no they didn’t , your companies went to where it’s cheaper because of capitalism, isn’t that like your whole deal?
I always defend brexit when it's compared to Trump because unlike Trump it had reasons that weren't completely fictional bullshit.
I'm a second generation European migrant to Britain so I did get to vote despite being born abroad, I voted remain because I'm passionately pro EU.
However I'm deeply frustrated with the EU and have been virtually my entire life, to me "ever closer union" should mean just that. The ultimate aim should be a unified European superstate, and there is just no balls 1/
In any of the major European powers to drag the project in that direction. There was only ever 3 nations fit to lead the EU and it would have taken all of them to push it through; now one has left.
Germany is content to sit there and be the continents bankers, France has been lost in an identity crisis for 65 years, each new president promising a "global france" before realising they have no idea how to go about building it. 2
All of the brexit reasons were fictional bullshit, just straight up lies about what the EU did and how it affected UK laws. Well that and racism, the racism was the only part that wasn't bullshit but that's true for trump too.
They weren't actually, from the British perspective the EU asked a lot and gave very little in return; I think when Britain joined I think it was because they recognised the need for a federal European superstate in the coming 100 years. Weirdly Oswald Moseley was one of the first proponents of that, after his time in prison during WW2. Without those moves toward "ever closer union" you could assert there's not a huge amount the EU has to offer especially at the time. What Britain hoped to 1/
NickRivieraMD
Not 'farmers.' Big ag.
ExistentialDreadlocks
digiorno88
I hope if they do it gets challenged in court and stopped
ThomasTheWankEnglne
doge gonit
magicrhombus
ALL forms of government are about wealth redistribution, they simply differ on who they move the money to.
cosmicbovine
It has become painfully clear to me that neither democrats nor republicans, be it the representatives or their electorate, have any fucking idea what socialism means.
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
TBF, I 100% agree with the government subsidizing farms and farmers. At least, non-corporate farms. It’s a critical part of our national infrastructure and we should be providing subsidies for all kinds of crops and farms, not just dairy and corn.
toolset
Socialism is good actually
MYBR549
A. August is too late to begin to pay bills due in June. B. Republicans have long been comfortable with passing laws inline with socialism. Their issue with socialism is, it can only go to "Special People" like farmers and oil companies.
Becker37
Ok but what about the rest of us?
philomemo9000
Keep giving away state money so... You have to raise taxes, and needing to give money so people could have a job... Thats pretty close to comunism, people in much sectors earning at last state money because their activity doesnt give profit, and surprise the state is forcing it
CaldariBob
Surely the rugged & resourceful individualists in America's farming heartland won't take this socialist gubermint money, right? Not while they have bootstraps?
FascisTyrant
NO. That's FUCKING NOT SOCIALISM. Bailing out megacorps isn't socialism, it's FUCKING CAPITALISM.
America perpetuates this deluded idea that "farmers" are somehow these small family owned businesses growing produce on their little plots of land to just barely make an honest wage, but that couldn't be fucking further from the truth. Farming is industrialized megacorps... TARIFFS DO NOT AFFECT SMALL-SCALE FARMERS SELLING DOMESTICALLY. Holy fuck, how does this even need to be said? Fuck me, KMS.
Clockworkdancerobot
Also, many of those were not American farmers. Some Brazilian company got a big fat paycheck last time he did this.
Clockworkdancerobot
Oh yeah here's one https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/424600-5-million-of-farm-bailout-money-will-go-to-brazil-owned-meatpacking/
dogdayafternoon13
Getting paid to not grow.
ThatGuyFromJustSouthOfTheMiddleOfNowhere
That was just the beginning. His 1st term collected ~$28B in tariffs. His admin then had to pay farmers and ranchers ~$28B for tariff loses. On top of that, US made products went up because tariffs have a tendency to increase what the market will bear.
PenguinPete
In know a few authors and artists who are due a payment to make up for income lost in the AI war.
TexMexHex
Fuck those farmers. They voted for it. What about the children whos parents were taken from them? Fix that first instead of helping obese racist white dudes
datphone777365
Yep, idgaf if they get bought by corpos. If anything the idea of the former owners becoming serfs on land they once owned cus they wanted to be dumb as shit is hilarious to me.
Sebastopol140
...again.
TheJuiceLoosener
Farmers, as a profession, are virtually unrivaled as welfare queens living off US government largess. And, of course, they are also collectively very concerned that some black person in the city might be taking the government for $11k/yr in welfare.
hyperchondriac
This was from Trump 2016. That's why we shouldn't crop out timestamps.
Who knows .maybe he'll bail farmers out again. Or maybe he won't... is it better that everyone suffers or Trump picks the winners? Morally I can't decide which is worse.
johnvictor
His voters need to suffer. For no other reason than they need to know what they're putting on people even if it won't change their mind. They shouldn't be able to avoid the consequences from their irrational, unthinking decisions.
hyperchondriac
Yeh, I'm just not willing to assume all farmers are Trump voters. And I can't condone group punishment because there are more guilty than innocent. If you think about it, that is literally what MAGA did, fucking themselves over cause they expected the non-MAGA to get it worse. And say what you want about leopards and faces, surveys so far don't show a lot of remorse. Seems to make it clear Hanlons razor does not describe MAGA: they are more malice than stupidity (though still very stupid).
sevenfingerman
Third or forth time? Specifically in regards to Trump with farmers.
SpammersAreScum
This is from last time, but, "Secretary Rollins: Trump to Offer Farm Subsidies" -- 2025-04-27 https://www.newsmax.com/us/brooke-rollins-donald-trump-farm-subsidies/2025/04/27/id/1208529/
Evi1Gav
Remember as well that the farmers getting the handouts, are predominantly wealthy, and growing crops for export, not to feed Americans.
madmax17
So who feeds Americans 🤣
Rainbowdaesh
Where the fuck is the money coming from since congress controls where our money goes?
CobainsSarcoma
tax cuts
fireclanninja1337
Well Elon raided the coffers, so...
Khanamana324
Nowhere, this article is from Donnie’s first term.
saeheria
Social Security probably
reichstein
If they stop gifting jets to Poseidon they'd have a bit more cash to spare.
custardandfishfingers24
It'll never happen. It's being announced so people will think how great trump is, but no farmer will get any cash. They have to save it all for the billionaires.
Isthe4thtimethecharm
I am more worried about how it will be distributed amongst farmers. I bet 95% goes to 3 corporations.
Doismellbacon
Tyson? I'm very curious which ones
Lugh314159
Don't be so cynical! ..... it's got to be like... seven or eight corporations at least.
naomiMoonBeast
I'm expecting more like 98% but yeah it's been end up with the big corporations
Idontneedrealfacts
Owned by republican congress persons
cosinewave
Corporate subsidies and even tariffs are socialism.
Allusernamesaretakensoichoosethis
Living on the same planet is socialism
Nestor1312
Socialism is when the workers control the means of production. Subsidies and tariffs are not that.
rudejohn
This comment is incredibly uninformed. Tariffs have NOTHING to do with socialism.
chackstar
But how will they pay for it?
What will the means testing be?
I don’t want any money going to single mom and/or drug addicted farmers.
chackstar
/s
ConsummateConundrum
That was 2019.

Rogerwilco1974
MVP.. Great sauce, and you're rightfully at the top of the comments
FlintNorth44
I thought this was weird. He isn't generous and the plan is to buy up the land.
Gaelwyn
Trump was also president in 2019.
RockKickass
I think his plan is tax breaks for rich people so he ain’t giving no bailout this time. His corp buddies will buy up the land
cannibalthemusical
This is why you don't use pictures with words as sources. Verify and list sources or don't share it. Imgur is in deep with confirmation bias this way, even though things often *are* as ridiculous as they're presented.
TheBigBadBonerBiter
But if I don't crop the dates off my tweets how else can I use them to farm endless rage-engagement???
wouldClimbForCash
... Enragement....
hotaru251
i mean wouldnt be an issue if ppl stopped cropping out dates on tweets/news.
cousteau
I mean, the context is like 100% identical.
cannibalthemusical
Sure, that doesn't take away from the application of critical thinking and sourcing before accepting a thing as true, especially if you want it to be.
cousteau
I was gonna argue that OP technically never claimed this to be recent (although you could argue it was implied), but I just realized they literally tagged this as "current events" lol.
RxFukitall
Which means that since this is an old article and we know that farmers are currently hurting, this is actually worse that there's no news on farmers being bailed out... right?
cannibalthemusical
I'm not sure I follow your point. Is it worse that it's happening and nobody is reporting it? Or is it worse that it's not happening? Either one is subjective to whatever opinion you have on economics/consequences.
DocWino
Where’s my doge check?
reverendbonobo
Elon gave it to the Chinese kid who levels his Diablo characters.
dizzyturtle
Asking the real questions.
manystripes
If only there were some government agency that bought a lot of crops from the farmers and then sent the crops places they'd be helpful. Trump should implement that and take credit for it. Perhaps call it USAID or something, that seems catchy
ConsummateConundrum
Everyone needs to fucking chill. This is from 2019! @OP or someone removed the timestamp. This is nothing but regurgitated OLD NEWS. Fucking @OP posts this crap without the date and with no source and everyone is losing their shit? Where's that asteroid when we need it.
Josh25AP
Seriously! He ain't gonna be helping anyone this time around.
lsrulevitch24
But history will repeat itself, unfortunately..
AWarningToOthers
You are right about the article being from 2019. Also the total for the bailout was $28 billion. Now let me ask you this, the last trade war was mostly about soybeans and that was the damage. This one covers everything what do you think will be the damage this time?
GroverKerr
That's not the discussion though - the discussion is the OP deliberately posted misinformation in-order to outrage and mislead people. Are we going to be better than Fox News regurgitating degens, or just use a different set of lies we find more agreeable to justify ourselves?
sofako41404
The entire US economy.
GroverKerr
1500 upvotes on this propaganda. Do we want to build a world and identities and ideologies and worldview based on facts and rational thought, or just feel the catharsis of extreme emotion while being lead around by our noses by people trying to manipulate us?
SithElephant
Trade doesn't just bounce back the same if you remove tariffs.
eion85
In much the same way that the water doesn't become mirror still again right away after you drop a ton of bricks into it.
WholeWheatBunnyHugger
And cement. And paint. And trucks carrying radioactive material.
watcher2099
And after all that enters, RFK takes his family swimming in it.
cosinewave
Particularly when key trading partners have forged other agreements
FLLingerieLuvr
Except that tariffs aren't being removed...they're being reduced (on a 90-day interim basis). So there will still be tariffs on goods, which means the consumer will still pay more than they did before. And, they could go back up after 90 days.
DarthFutuza
Of course not, everyone's faith in the trading partnerships have been shaken and many countries will no longer trust or consider the American dealers reliable. Especially since the tariffs could come back at any day, without warning. Better to just trade with other countries and avoid the risk.
Neednoggle
No one trusts the US anymore, and for very good reason.
TheZommie
people like stability, and when they are forced to find something when america has tariffs up, they will keep using that something until something makes them switch around again, to whatever is best at the time.
ilikepot8os
Soy bean exports have not recovered from hist first trade way in his first term. At this point it should be clear they aren't coming back....
0xBADA55
Countries don’t want to deal with the USA anymore
reichstein
And that will persist for years, if not decades.
wseslar
I live in the USA and I don't want to deal with the USA anymore
DonL9
When you've proven yourselves to be bullying, unreliable, inconsistent assholes, others notice.
nalmeth
*Some people* *this administration*. FTFY.
Shaodyn
And it really needs them to, since most major manufacturing went overseas decades ago in search of countries with weaker labor laws and lower wages.
0xBADA55
Yep, that’s one of the worst parts about the “they took advantage of us” .. no they didn’t , your companies went to where it’s cheaper because of capitalism, isn’t that like your whole deal?
Shaodyn
Practically nothing is made in America anymore. And manufacturing isn't likely to come back because America has pretty strong unions in that field.
Clockworkdancerobot
The common denominator is the Conservatives. they did the same in the UK with Brexit...
0xBADA55
Honestly .. conservatives should be left out of politics
FrancsTireur
I always defend brexit when it's compared to Trump because unlike Trump it had reasons that weren't completely fictional bullshit.
I'm a second generation European migrant to Britain so I did get to vote despite being born abroad, I voted remain because I'm passionately pro EU.
However I'm deeply frustrated with the EU and have been virtually my entire life, to me "ever closer union" should mean just that. The ultimate aim should be a unified European superstate, and there is just no balls 1/
FrancsTireur
In any of the major European powers to drag the project in that direction. There was only ever 3 nations fit to lead the EU and it would have taken all of them to push it through; now one has left.
Germany is content to sit there and be the continents bankers, France has been lost in an identity crisis for 65 years, each new president promising a "global france" before realising they have no idea how to go about building it. 2
YouAreTheInsultMaster
Idk man, seemed like most people's reason was racism. That's my very anecdotal experience anyway.
meme2zombie
All of the brexit reasons were fictional bullshit, just straight up lies about what the EU did and how it affected UK laws. Well that and racism, the racism was the only part that wasn't bullshit but that's true for trump too.
FrancsTireur
They weren't actually, from the British perspective the EU asked a lot and gave very little in return; I think when Britain joined I think it was because they recognised the need for a federal European superstate in the coming 100 years. Weirdly Oswald Moseley was one of the first proponents of that, after his time in prison during WW2. Without those moves toward "ever closer union" you could assert there's not a huge amount the EU has to offer especially at the time. What Britain hoped to 1/