Something is off about this. I would think that the concrete would plug at the P trap. I guess if this was a basement unit it could block the rest of the building. Not sure how it would back up to the tub.
My uncle flipped houses. Sometimes they flipped bank owned properties. One of the worst houses they ever bought had concrete poured down the main sewer line. Add a shit time of expenses to the remodel
Retired GC here! If I wanted to do damage this way? I'd haul in a few bags (2 people w/ $7, 80 pound fast-setting Quikrete bags each would do; go to the lowest toilet in the building), pour it in the then immediately flush it, and do that several times until the bags were gone, leaving the last one like this.
I'm always mute here (background š¶), so the 1st time I just replied. I watched it again listening, and it's not in the US (my experiential locale), and, he tapped on the down drain and it was filled solid; then it erupted out of that toilet & onto the floor. I was saying how to do a similar sabotage; what I described would not be near enough material to block a sewer main. Here, this seems more likely a pump truck w/concrete pumping much larger volumes from higher up to produce such a result.
A guy I know had some major renovation work done on his houseās plumbing SEVERAL years ago.
Then one day, his plumbing absolutely refused to pass anything. (Use your imagination.)
After some initial attempts to snake the drains, etc., his plumber sent some fiber optic cameras down to see WTF was going on. Apparently, the company that did his renovations disposed of some concrete down his drains, and it had taken years for the stuff to finally set in the main outflow from the house.
If itās in that stack pipe and the whole building is not working, depending on the size of the building, thatās a lot of concrete, I have mixed bags of concrete. Thatās no easy job. Someone would have to noticed carrying that much concrete. Or a concrete truck
Happened in a couple houses around here. The entire drain system had to be replaced. With a crawl space, not unfixable, just expensive. On a slab, tear it down and start over.
I was thinking that too. No way someone just dumped some bags of concrete in a toilet and it backed up into a bathtub. Maybe they were running a grout pump to fill voids underground and hit a broken sewer line. Or maybe it was intentional...
This seems like a reasonable explanation. I was wondering about the logistics of getting enough concrete into the toilet drain pipe to fill up the bathtub. The cement would have to be premixed and the toilet bowl removed and even then it's a challenge to fill up the more or less horizontal bathtub drain pipe through gravity alone.
You probably wouldn't need that much to do serious harm, especially a sandwich bag's worth a day, makes the data centers go away. Assuming they have toilets.
Did everyone else just have an idea about groups taking 1 gallon Ziploc bags of concrete into .. say financial institutions, and doing this to their bathrooms on multiple floors near the top at the same time?
I dont think the top floors are the right ones. The concrete fills the pipes close to the toilet. Sewage from all teh floors above accumulates in the pipes and comes out of the toilets one floor above the stoppage. I think you wan as many floors as possible above the stoppage to maximise the amount spilling. But, IANAP.
Hydraulic systems always have a pressure limit valve that is intrinsic to the system. The truck would try to lift the dumpster, stop, ...and that's about it. I'd suggest something more creative; maybe like filling it with cans of soda and cartons of Mentos.
It's a lot cheaper if you get a whole truck of it delivered. Of course, the concrete truck driver may wonder why you're having him unload the product into a dumpster...
More lukely the hydraulics would blow out before it could lift it. An eight yard dumpster, would hold about 8 cubic yards of concrete. That would weigh about 32,400 pounds.
Correct answer. Those things aren't rated for more than a very few tons. It would probably split a seam unless you put it in one layer at a time and let it harden before adding more.
Im no plumber so forgive my ignorance... that whole system is fucked now is it not? It seems like theyd have to remove the entirety of every pipe effected and replace them.
There are theoretical ways to clear it for short runs. Basically drill it out. But it'll be a problem forever and it's cheaper to replace it. It isn't really a 'treat the symptoms' situation, we're in 'cut out the cancer' territory.
Things above them are probably okay, but the way the tub filled indicates it found a shared drain, and spread into things connected to it. The whole system may not be contaminated, but the whole system IS currently unusable. A lot will have to be replaced.
Probably mostly the pipes on the way out. But not quite all of time. Imagine if someone did this from a top floor in multiple places and kept flushing the stuff down to spread it around.
We had a partial clog because the builders put grout down the drain without washing it all the way out, and they were able to (very carefully) chip it out of the pipe. But if they hadn't been able to, we'd have had to replace the pipe. With full clogs like this, probably that's not an option anymore.
Depending on how far down it set, this could go down to the sewer or further. It backed up to the bath tub. Every pipe requires replacement. These are full of set concrete. That is major removal. Depending on the floor this was done on... Total drain replacement. Sections of pipe will need to be cut out likely with concrete rated tools. That means slow. Everyone who lives in this building will need relocation during the repair. Masterclass in sabotage.
Ground floor is best case. The higher the floor the more pipe affected. It could potentially back up into other floors or rooms. This will massively increase cost of repair. Every higher floor is just that many more feet / meters of pipe to be replaced and inspected. As the concrete goes down it dilutes as well, and it can be corrosive damaging backflow prevention valves. All of those may need to be inspected.
I'm no plumber either, but I don't think there's any way to get the concrete out of the pipes without at least completely disassembling them, and even then buying new pipes is probably cheaper than putting in the work hours trying to get the old pipes clean again.
yeah you dont try to chip that shit out or whatever, you just cut it all out and start over. Had to do this once years ago, Some Aholes broke into one of my companies properties (unoccupied, was trying to sell) and dumped bags of concrete in all the floor drains. Had to jackhammer up all the concrete floors to replace piping. Had to foot the bill for that BEFORE we coud sell the place.
That really depends on the size of the building. I wouldn't be surprised if the 4plex I'm in would be under $10k. An urban high rise I could see costing millions; especially when factoring in needing to put everyone in hotels for the duration of the repair.
I had the pipes above my kitchen ceiling replaced after my upstairs bathroom toilet intake flow pipe leaked between my floors and that was like 3 grand. ( I replaced it all as my ceiling was open and all my piping was exposed and around the same age). That was just the piping under 2 bathrooms. I can't imagine trying to replace CONCRETE filled pipes for under 10 grand.
"The whole building" so add another zero. By the time you figure in having to pay for tenants to stay at motels and getting this fixed at emergency levels of hourly rates, going over a quarter mil isn't unreasonable. This is "get the police involved" levels of damage because for shit sure his insurance company will want *someone's* ass to nail to the wall for this.
As a general contractor, thatāll get you the inspections needed so you know exactly how fucked you are. Easily a million or three pending how much was poured, where it started, how much of the mains got fāed.
If it's just that one apartment and the flow in the main line was high enough to keep it flowing so it didn't set that could be right. If it blocked up the entire main line in a larger building 30k won't cover the hotel cost for the people who can't live at home for a couple of weeks.
I thought the best we could do was put raw chicken behind the faceplates of light switches and power sockets or glue fish hooks to the undersides of tables and drawers. This is genius. I'm gonna keep this forbidden knowledge for later.
My friend and her wife bought a house that was a foreclosure about 15years ago. They lived there for about a week when they found out the previous owner had packed the 4" main line AFTER the cleanout with concrete. Also, hire an independent inspector before you buy a house. Don't trust the bank/seller to do it.
I wonāt rent because of how bad the laws are stacked against landlords. I think this is why a lot of landlords are shitty. Brothers neighbor leased out there house to a tenant that made like one month rent, and it took paying the deadbeat like $10k to move out finally.
Most landlords and tenants are fine. You only hear about the bad ones for obvious reasons, but with so many people renting it's apparent that most people are just getting by and getting along.
While it does happen - most people aren't so stupid as to turn an eviction into a jail time, court case, and very expensive civil case they'll likely lose.
Wasn't talking about rent specifically as my friend's case I mentioned was pretty common with the major mortgage collapse around 2008-2009. People's rates spiked and they could no longer afford their houses so the banks foreclosed and people did everything they could to tear up their own homes on their way out so the flippers would have to deal with it. It was a shitty time all around.
Seems more like a misdemeanor. Though if they had a lease, they might actually get somewhere with "this is a civil matter." Might. Depending on how late into the cops' shift it is.
Oh, no, that's property damage, and it's big property damge. That's not civil, that's a crime. And the costs we can guess at, misdemeanor is usually under $500-$1000, varying by state.
Drain pipes are fragile, so it's likely you're cutting apart and replacing every single affected pipe, and PRAYING that this means a straight line from the sabotage site to the main. But the way it came up into the tub from below, it's almost certain it's spread into other stuff connected to a shared drain.
If a guy fucks over 49 innocent people because one of them was a jerkā¦. Fuck that dude. No. Was this an apartment building? If I canāt take a poo in my own home cuz Steve sucks, both them dudes are losers.
Easier if its a public/community restroom, albeit sneaking in a 50+ lb bag of concrete mix would be tricky... you could hide it. Save smaller portions in the ceiling multiple trips over time. Wear gloves, use cash etc. Depending on your country the police probably suck more than they want you to think.
I don't mean the ones in parks or libraries more so the ones in a Walmart or Citigroup marketing lobby's loo on the 24th floor of the Citibank building.
You might be overthinking this. Gallon zip lock baggies, each filled with enough concrete to be relatively about an inch thick when laying flat on a table. Double bag to prevent tears, then tape them around your torso. Throw on an extra large shirt or two to muffle sound and hide any weirdness with your shape.
You can move an entire 50lb bag in one trip with minimal effort.
You guys are ALL overthinking it. Some coveralls, a baseball hat, a belt full of plumber tools, a big wet dry vac full of 50lbs of concrete mix, and an out of order sign. Can even run the shopvac hose past the bend in the toilet, set it to reverse, and blow the concrete mix all in before you start flushing.
You guys are ALL overthinking it. A Hawaiian shirt, sunglasses, a hat and a rolling suitcase and your golden. Bonus if you wear a COVID mask because you are "traveling", makes the camera footage less useful
You guys are all under thinking this. Gee, I wonder who poured concrete into the toilet. Let's see. Three people were in the bathroom about that time. Let's just investigate all three and follow the gazillion security cameras we have set up throughout the building
Kinda depends on certain things, though. Like whether it happens to every new set of pipes and at every one of the business' locations. But yeah there are better ways.
If it becomes a pattern they look at security camera footage and someone goes to jail. And again - nothing changes. Property damage isn't a compelling threat because the business pays for it, not the people making decisions.
Randomice
Are they not paying the people enough to live on?
theonetruezuul
Something is off about this. I would think that the concrete would plug at the P trap. I guess if this was a basement unit it could block the rest of the building. Not sure how it would back up to the tub.
CaptainProcrastinaut
Effective way to say "I quit"
Cactus21
Any thoughts @AlphaStructural?
Macwalrus
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Daraanel
Anyone speak (well, listen) Russian?
nothingtolurkhere
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RedCamaro
Epic shit
laner7112000
MechKelly
I used to print this out and tape it to people's monitors when they were in the bathroom.
kahooki
The ancient mural!
Still my all time favourite.
newsguycraigevans
There it is
BrockEffingSamson
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Anaphriel
"all you had to do was pay us enough to shit"
bourbonandbaddecisions
My uncle flipped houses. Sometimes they flipped bank owned properties. One of the worst houses they ever bought had concrete poured down the main sewer line. Add a shit time of expenses to the remodel
ItsJustBluskyandImgrNow
Retired GC here! If I wanted to do damage this way? I'd haul in a few bags (2 people w/ $7, 80 pound fast-setting Quikrete bags each would do; go to the lowest toilet in the building), pour it in the then immediately flush it, and do that several times until the bags were gone, leaving the last one like this.
FoxPesdassi
The "lowest toilet in the building"? Are you specifically targeting the main sewer line, potentially rendering DOZENS of buildings uninhabitable?
ItsJustBluskyandImgrNow
I'm always mute here (background š¶), so the 1st time I just replied. I watched it again listening, and it's not in the US (my experiential locale), and, he tapped on the down drain and it was filled solid; then it erupted out of that toilet & onto the floor. I was saying how to do a similar sabotage; what I described would not be near enough material to block a sewer main. Here, this seems more likely a pump truck w/concrete pumping much larger volumes from higher up to produce such a result.
Rufferstuff
friendsofsandwiches
is this russian?
CrisprCAS
No shit?
TheDoctorCrankenstein
Not in that toilet
rmx256
Depending on how far the damage went this could be a great fucking way to get a building condemned.
Dannyalcatraz
A guy I know had some major renovation work done on his houseās plumbing SEVERAL years ago.
Then one day, his plumbing absolutely refused to pass anything. (Use your imagination.)
After some initial attempts to snake the drains, etc., his plumber sent some fiber optic cameras down to see WTF was going on. Apparently, the company that did his renovations disposed of some concrete down his drains, and it had taken years for the stuff to finally set in the main outflow from the house.
$$$$$
Nakiepanda
We had the same issues with grout from lazy tilers blocking ours
PolitiCat
This works also with water cooling of AI data centers.
swedeonamoose
Guessing someone got fired or kicked out of their appartment
hushpuppyextraordinaire
If itās in that stack pipe and the whole building is not working, depending on the size of the building, thatās a lot of concrete, I have mixed bags of concrete. Thatās no easy job. Someone would have to noticed carrying that much concrete. Or a concrete truck
AllMyPain
Sounds indicate there's building work done in that building. The cement bags likely was already there
Karma1970
This seems like a great way to kill a building and any adjoining buildings.
androgenoide
I heard of that happening in 2008 when people were being evicted due to the banking industry making bad decisions.
Kamilche999
I heard it happened in 2026, when they tried to kill off that town to give electricicity to an AI data center.
rusty42marlin
Happened in a couple houses around here. The entire drain system had to be replaced. With a crawl space, not unfixable, just expensive. On a slab, tear it down and start over.
Probablyimaginary
Omg...omg all the old suburbs with problems already...disasters
BurnieCinders
Someone injected concrete underground and accidentally hit the sewer line.
SewerRanger
Right, all these people commenting have never mixed concrete before if they think this was just someone flushing unmixed concrete down the toilet
bottledham
I was thinking that too. No way someone just dumped some bags of concrete in a toilet and it backed up into a bathtub. Maybe they were running a grout pump to fill voids underground and hit a broken sewer line. Or maybe it was intentional...
NinjaCongo
This seems like a reasonable explanation. I was wondering about the logistics of getting enough concrete into the toilet drain pipe to fill up the bathtub. The cement would have to be premixed and the toilet bowl removed and even then it's a challenge to fill up the more or less horizontal bathtub drain pipe through gravity alone.
ingridwebb88
Could you put the dry mixture in your pockets and flush it? Asking for a friend
Harbltron
Dry cement + water = cement
ingridwebb88
So that's a yes?
PurifiedInTheWatersOfLakeMinnetonka
Imagine what a pallet of quikrete could do to an AI data center š
scottcanoni
You probably wouldn't need that much to do serious harm, especially a sandwich bag's worth a day, makes the data centers go away. Assuming they have toilets.
mikeatike
Not the toilet. They would jsut make the workes shit in a porta. It goes into the coolant system thats busy wasting water.
iusedtodream
Say more. What exactly does the coolant system look like? You know, so we can be extra careful.
mikeatike
Its a giant radiator, but I wonder if the intake pipes are accessable.
AtariJaguar64Bit
Did everyone else just have an idea about groups taking 1 gallon Ziploc bags of concrete into .. say financial institutions, and doing this to their bathrooms on multiple floors near the top at the same time?
Doompug
I dont think the top floors are the right ones. The concrete fills the pipes close to the toilet. Sewage from all teh floors above accumulates in the pipes and comes out of the toilets one floor above the stoppage. I think you wan as many floors as possible above the stoppage to maximise the amount spilling. But, IANAP.
MULDER69420
I like the way you think
slidewhistlesymphony
I once had the idea to fill a Dumpster with concrete so the truck that tried to empty it would flip. I cannot afford enough concrete to try this.
Chagrinnish
Hydraulic systems always have a pressure limit valve that is intrinsic to the system. The truck would try to lift the dumpster, stop, ...and that's about it. I'd suggest something more creative; maybe like filling it with cans of soda and cartons of Mentos.
Animatronio
It's a lot cheaper if you get a whole truck of it delivered. Of course, the concrete truck driver may wonder why you're having him unload the product into a dumpster...
Dimension09
Not with that attitude
CaptainYesterday
More lukely the hydraulics would blow out before it could lift it. An eight yard dumpster, would hold about 8 cubic yards of concrete. That would weigh about 32,400 pounds.
Zeridos
Most dumpsters would probably burst before they're full.
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
Correct answer. Those things aren't rated for more than a very few tons. It would probably split a seam unless you put it in one layer at a time and let it harden before adding more.
DavidBrooker
And many garbage trucks weigh a lot more than that and wouldn't tip.
Randazzo
To give you an idea of the scale, that's about half the size of your mom.
SakuraSunsets
DeadeicPrints
Im no plumber so forgive my ignorance... that whole system is fucked now is it not? It seems like theyd have to remove the entirety of every pipe effected and replace them.
TacoPoweredHelicopter
Nah, pretty sure if you just plunge it you will be fine.
BishlamekGurpgork
There are theoretical ways to clear it for short runs. Basically drill it out. But it'll be a problem forever and it's cheaper to replace it. It isn't really a 'treat the symptoms' situation, we're in 'cut out the cancer' territory.
Things above them are probably okay, but the way the tub filled indicates it found a shared drain, and spread into things connected to it. The whole system may not be contaminated, but the whole system IS currently unusable. A lot will have to be replaced.
DidItForScience
Probably mostly the pipes on the way out. But not quite all of time. Imagine if someone did this from a top floor in multiple places and kept flushing the stuff down to spread it around.
Thunderbox666
Yes, this kills the pipes
theskepticinme
Yep. Big job. Lots of tear out and re finish work too. All depends on the size of the building
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
You can break down concrete using acid, but... well, that's a LOT of concrete, and the acid thing is mostly effective against thin layers.
SkittishLittleToaster
Plus all the lost revenue from the tenants who can no longer use the building.
TinyBadger101
We had a partial clog because the builders put grout down the drain without washing it all the way out, and they were able to (very carefully) chip it out of the pipe. But if they hadn't been able to, we'd have had to replace the pipe. With full clogs like this, probably that's not an option anymore.
Bystandr
If you disconnect the completely blocked pipes within a couple of days, the partial blockages can be broken up and sucked out before cure.
Bystandr
Its still a horribly nasty job and likely involves removing and replacing about 10 feet of pipe in all directions. Depends on how much was
Bystandr
used, of course.
feltenix
Depending on how far down it set, this could go down to the sewer or further. It backed up to the bath tub. Every pipe requires replacement. These are full of set concrete. That is major removal. Depending on the floor this was done on... Total drain replacement. Sections of pipe will need to be cut out likely with concrete rated tools. That means slow. Everyone who lives in this building will need relocation during the repair. Masterclass in sabotage.
TheSterlingStarling
How does the floor affect things? Are they more fucked over if it's on the ground floor or a higher one?
feltenix
Ground floor is best case. The higher the floor the more pipe affected. It could potentially back up into other floors or rooms. This will massively increase cost of repair. Every higher floor is just that many more feet / meters of pipe to be replaced and inspected. As the concrete goes down it dilutes as well, and it can be corrosive damaging backflow prevention valves. All of those may need to be inspected.
donthatemecauseimwittier
Absolute masterclass. Well said.
unluckyandbored
Yup. Depending on how big the building is, tens or maybe hundreds of thousands in damages. Whoever did this is probably going to end up in prison.
Omicron416
Assuming they get caught and convicted, of course.
Then there's the restitution ...
Zeridos
I'm no plumber either, but I don't think there's any way to get the concrete out of the pipes without at least completely disassembling them, and even then buying new pipes is probably cheaper than putting in the work hours trying to get the old pipes clean again.
aginghippie55
I am a plumber and you are correct. Cheapest fix will be to replace the affected fixtures and piping.
Vengeraxe
yeah you dont try to chip that shit out or whatever, you just cut it all out and start over. Had to do this once years ago, Some Aholes broke into one of my companies properties (unoccupied, was trying to sell) and dumped bags of concrete in all the floor drains. Had to jackhammer up all the concrete floors to replace piping. Had to foot the bill for that BEFORE we coud sell the place.
cousteau
Maybe pouring coke down the drain fixes it? Or a bag of rice? /s
angus02
I dont think cocaine is getting us out of this one, but im willing to give it a shot. ...For science, of course
Samthetrue
It opens the nostrils, so why not a pipe?
Sidewaysgts
Plumbers hate this one simple trick
Sh1tMovieGroup
I'm no plumber either, but I've laid some pipe in the past..
TheDoctorCrankenstein
Yes. Those pipes are fucked.
possumattack
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iamlegendinjapan
Probably $30k plus in damages they have to dig out and replace it all
chiefrunswithscissors
Totally random guess since you have no idea how big the affected area is
MissingGravitas
I think you might have forgotten a zero there.
SumOneElse
That really depends on the size of the building. I wouldn't be surprised if the 4plex I'm in would be under $10k. An urban high rise I could see costing millions; especially when factoring in needing to put everyone in hotels for the duration of the repair.
Varrick
I had the pipes above my kitchen ceiling replaced after my upstairs bathroom toilet intake flow pipe leaked between my floors and that was like 3 grand. ( I replaced it all as my ceiling was open and all my piping was exposed and around the same age). That was just the piping under 2 bathrooms. I can't imagine trying to replace CONCRETE filled pipes for under 10 grand.
phalanaster
I manage a restraunt inside a very small log cabin. Our plumbing is garbage and needs replaced. The lowest estimate I got was 30 k
barbarian818
"The whole building" so add another zero. By the time you figure in having to pay for tenants to stay at motels and getting this fixed at emergency levels of hourly rates, going over a quarter mil isn't unreasonable. This is "get the police involved" levels of damage because for shit sure his insurance company will want *someone's* ass to nail to the wall for this.
JonnyTightlips
More than that... Replace flooring, walls, tile, in addition to the plumbing
ThingsThatDontJustifyGenocide
So you're saying we can protest Amazon civilly(civil, not legal)?
Don't do crimes, though. That'd be a property crime.
tylerlarson
Depends on the number of units affected and the complexity of the structural architecture. It could easily be hundreds of thousands.
Basically you get to remove a concrete-filled plumbing system and install a brand new one.
Melbuf
thats gonna cost way more than 30k
brownribbon
$30k seems an order of magnitude too low
SerialChickenLover
$30k feels low
TriggerII
As a general contractor, thatāll get you the inspections needed so you know exactly how fucked you are. Easily a million or three pending how much was poured, where it started, how much of the mains got fāed.
Ghlargh
If it's just that one apartment and the flow in the main line was high enough to keep it flowing so it didn't set that could be right.
If it blocked up the entire main line in a larger building 30k won't cover the hotel cost for the people who can't live at home for a couple of weeks.
DeadeicPrints
Jfc. It had to be done on purpose. I understand giving an F U to landlords but this fucks over everyone. Dick move.
ThrowAwayAcct0000
depends on where this is
holmestrix
Have you seen the stupidity of some contractors?
imadethisjusttomakeyoulookstupid
pretty hard to accidentally fill a toilet with concrete
Frencheeseater
I don't know what you're given to eat over here, but shitting concrete ain't normal !
iamlegendinjapan
The tenant is 100% getting sued and likely thrown in jail if they can find him
DeadeicPrints
I meant to purposely destroy the system. Vs someone just being dumb and thinking flushing it wasnt going to be a big deal?
Unclescam
It looks like way more than simply filling the toilet. It looks done several times over.
Glenalth
That is an interesting sabotage method I hadn't even thought of before.
Whoisthisdoctorwho2000
I'm just mentioning this for no reason.... Trump hotels and golf clubs
Kotarisu
RuffyRuffHausen
Something to ponder if you don't get that deposit back
TrumpRapesAndEatsChildren0002
Datacenters need lots of water for cooling...
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
Likewise. Going to have to remember this one. Concrete is tough to get rid of; You basically have to break it down with acid.
evilspock
They'll "just" replace the pipes.
GRZMNKY
This is why there are blank pages at the back of the Anarchist's Cookbook...
Oogibah
I heard of someone doing this yeeeaaars ago because they were going to get evicted
chaylar
I thought the best we could do was put raw chicken behind the faceplates of light switches and power sockets or glue fish hooks to the undersides of tables and drawers. This is genius. I'm gonna keep this forbidden knowledge for later.
neptix
Frozen shrimp in the shower curtain rid is still a classic
chaylar
Oh, that's a good one too.
IHaveGreatKittenRecipes
I've hated some landlords before but this... this is *art*.
I feel for everyone else who has to deal with it but damn does this person make a statement.
AtaSeaParks
Apparently lots of people were doing this when being foreclosed on during the 2008 housing crisis.
kenistod
"All they had to do was pay us enough to live."
innagaddavidababy
Yeah, fuck all the other people who live in the building. Iām sure filing an insurance claim really inconveniences the landlord.
Akule
"AI Datacenters hate this one little trick."
4Astaroth
Now that's a great plan for all of their datacenters.
qwkhyena42
Johnsky
Soon : "All they had to do was end the war" you say to yourself as you pour concrete throughout the destroyers water piping.
MungChomper69420
Noted*
Probablyimaginary
They say service members get up to the craziest shenanigans...
mirrorz
People who are about to be evicted do it all the time. Honestly don't even blame them.
mirrorz
My friend and her wife bought a house that was a foreclosure about 15years ago. They lived there for about a week when they found out the previous owner had packed the 4" main line AFTER the cleanout with concrete. Also, hire an independent inspector before you buy a house. Don't trust the bank/seller to do it.
ifixlasers42
I wonāt rent because of how bad the laws are stacked against landlords. I think this is why a lot of landlords are shitty. Brothers neighbor leased out there house to a tenant that made like one month rent, and it took paying the deadbeat like $10k to move out finally.
RufusPimperton
Most landlords and tenants are fine. You only hear about the bad ones for obvious reasons, but with so many people renting it's apparent that most people are just getting by and getting along.
evilspock
While it does happen - most people aren't so stupid as to turn an eviction into a jail time, court case, and very expensive civil case they'll likely lose.
Don't do this.
mirrorz
Wasn't talking about rent specifically as my friend's case I mentioned was pretty common with the major mortgage collapse around 2008-2009. People's rates spiked and they could no longer afford their houses so the banks foreclosed and people did everything they could to tear up their own homes on their way out so the flippers would have to deal with it. It was a shitty time all around.
evilspock
Still sounds to me like they were exposing themselves to legal jeopardy to punish the wrong people.
stefansd
Pretty sure this is also a felony criminal charge
IHateTransphobes
So is arson.
quincythomasthedisappointing
Well into felony territory. Other ways to show displeasure.
skibbyAU
Pope says itās fine if you say three hail-Maryās first
evilspock
More importantly - *better* ways to show displeasure rather than to fuck the people who need to shit, which is everyone.
crazyspelling
Seems more like a misdemeanor. Though if they had a lease, they might actually get somewhere with "this is a civil matter." Might. Depending on how late into the cops' shift it is.
quincythomasthedisappointing
Thatās $20k in damageā¦
BishlamekGurpgork
Oh, no, that's property damage, and it's big property damge. That's not civil, that's a crime. And the costs we can guess at, misdemeanor is usually under $500-$1000, varying by state.
Drain pipes are fragile, so it's likely you're cutting apart and replacing every single affected pipe, and PRAYING that this means a straight line from the sabotage site to the main. But the way it came up into the tub from below, it's almost certain it's spread into other stuff connected to a shared drain.
evilspock
Criminal mischief. Beyond a certain dollar amount (depends on where you are), a felony.
FreelanceSpermDonor
Not if you wear gloves and sneak into that asshole neighbor's apartment to pull it off.
PineappleLoopsBroether
If a guy fucks over 49 innocent people because one of them was a jerkā¦. Fuck that dude. No. Was this an apartment building? If I canāt take a poo in my own home cuz Steve sucks, both them dudes are losers.
Probablyimaginary
Easier if its a public/community restroom, albeit sneaking in a 50+ lb bag of concrete mix would be tricky... you could hide it. Save smaller portions in the ceiling multiple trips over time. Wear gloves, use cash etc. Depending on your country the police probably suck more than they want you to think.
quincythomasthedisappointing
But why? Community bathrooms are for the community.
Probablyimaginary
I don't mean the ones in parks or libraries more so the ones in a Walmart or Citigroup marketing lobby's loo on the 24th floor of the Citibank building.
quincythomasthedisappointing
Donāt forget insurance companies.
DevilsAdvocat
Badprenup
You might be overthinking this. Gallon zip lock baggies, each filled with enough concrete to be relatively about an inch thick when laying flat on a table. Double bag to prevent tears, then tape them around your torso. Throw on an extra large shirt or two to muffle sound and hide any weirdness with your shape.
You can move an entire 50lb bag in one trip with minimal effort.
cyno01
You guys are ALL overthinking it. Some coveralls, a baseball hat, a belt full of plumber tools, a big wet dry vac full of 50lbs of concrete mix, and an out of order sign. Can even run the shopvac hose past the bend in the toilet, set it to reverse, and blow the concrete mix all in before you start flushing.
TheLashiel
You guys are ALL overthinking it. A Hawaiian shirt, sunglasses, a hat and a rolling suitcase and your golden. Bonus if you wear a COVID mask because you are "traveling", makes the camera footage less useful
shitheadtookmyname
You guys are all under thinking this. Gee, I wonder who poured concrete into the toilet. Let's see. Three people were in the bathroom about that time. Let's just investigate all three and follow the gazillion security cameras we have set up throughout the building
CurbYourClassWar
Yeah until they check the footage and see a random āplumberā they didnāt hire walk in with a shop vac lol
evilspock
Oh yes it is. And a delightfully expensive civil suit.
Again - this won't actually harm the business, it just inconveniences the people there. Insurance covers vandalism.
jankyupeblik
Kinda depends on certain things, though. Like whether it happens to every new set of pipes and at every one of the business' locations. But yeah there are better ways.
evilspock
If it becomes a pattern they look at security camera footage and someone goes to jail. And again - nothing changes. Property damage isn't a compelling threat because the business pays for it, not the people making decisions.