Not to defend the guy but we have no idea what went on before. If you only film and post someone's very last rep it's not going to make them look good.
I read on a different post that this was the end of like 25 or 30. I also don't like this guy and there's plenty to hate him for but this isn't one of them.
Toxic masculinity. He is desperate to prove he fits the archetype you see in violent anti-heroes. That is what is driving policy right now, a Hollywood power fantasy meant to appeal to insecure teenage boys.
Damn we were so close to having that just drop on his chest and end it all. I hope one day he's really put in the front lines and we get to see him shit his brains out at what it really takes to be a member of the American armed forces.
Because silicone chest implants don’t help your bench numbers? Those are, what, 50lbs weights? Someone “built” like him should struggle with 100 lb bench. I did that in middle school. (Not bragging. I was a huge bitch)
I'm definitely not a gym rat and I'll die before my time because of my bad posture and health and shitty life habits but even I'm pretty sure that's not how you hold dumbbells?
if I see any other SecDef do this, I'd think it was to highlight how hard the people around them are working by not being able to keep up. With this one though, I know he's doing it because he thinks it looks cool.
In my experience, first thing that happens when you just run out is that, if you force yourself to keep going, your form drops, because it's all you have the strength for.
But then, the only videos I've seen of this guy are when he was exhausted, I haven't seen him picking up and starting the first rep. Certainly every attempt could be bad. It wouldn't surprise me.
yeah, like i did stop manual labor some 9 years ago, and today without any training whatsoever, i still can do the stuff i did prior for 20 years (construction iron worker, when i wasn't UN peace keeper in various countries)
I'm not sure how much exactly, but one plate on each side means it's not NEARLY heavy enough for anyone even moderately in shape to be struggling like that
Oh god no lol I am a lazy shit. My point was tgat doesn't look like enough weight to struggle with, but I dont work out so I didn't want to make fun without a number.
Benchpress - Blue plates on a bar generally signifies 45lbs each. Bar is supposedly 60lbs (which seems absurdly high for a bar, but I'll trust the "how to prepare for army fitness tests" site #s (https://gym-mikolo.com/blogs/home-gym/how-much-does-the-army-acft-hex-bar-weigh). So a total of 150lbs. Which is...not impressive. Even as a fat out of shape dude.
Hand Weights - Basically impossible to tell. You can get 5lb ones that look like that, or 50lb. Unlikely to be above 50. Best guess would be ~30lbs. Regardless, he should be using lighter ones. His form is atrocious and he needs to learn that before even trying to use heavier weights.
Nobody is supposed to care if the secretary of defense can lift weights. Its purely performative because hes a vain idiot trying to impress and control the brainwashed masses that are all so far gone they dont understand the disconnect between being in an office designed for national security and defense, and being able to lift 150 pounds laying down. Eveything about this country is a joke. I bet another country wipes america out and we deserve it at this point. Guess ill learn chinese.
Honestly...I'm literally on medication that makes me physically weaker. I live a mostly sedentary life. I can at least LIFT 150lbs in a bench press, even if I can only do sets of 1 or 2.
Kegsbreath is in worse shape than a sedentary person taking medication that actively harms their strength. That's not an indicator of good health on his part.
Yeah, but it's so great that he is so fucking bad at it when he attempts to perform it. I mean, it's remarkably pathetic BECAUSE of the contrast with his cartoonish affected macho and hawkishness.
Except we won't just go quietly. We're dragging the entire world down with us. And 1/3 of the people in this country are braying themselves hoarse supporting it all. And nobody seems to be ready for the uncomfortable action required to avert absolute catastrophe, so we'll all just watch it happen.
The Chinese will not be invading America. BUT, they will invade Taiwan and the USA will do nothing... particularly since we pulled key forces from there and sent them to Iran.
You could say Trump is an idiot. But it's no doubt an arranged grift with Xi. US companies get to sell in China, China gets to have Taiwan.
I actually disagree. I think if you are going to have the say in if we go to war,you have to show you are fit enough to be on the battlefield and also willing to risk having loved 1s drafted without say of where they are stationed.
A lot of these folks are braying cowards who turn into mewling quims the moment anyone remotely intimidating gets in front of them. I wonder what would happen if some place that did real journalism went over to a local gym, found some utterly yoked 6'7" guy named Jim McLarge, and gave him a press pass, a microphone, and a license to take the piss out of these guys with their questions. Even just towering over the guy and going "Has anyone ever told you you're a moron to your face?"
For fuck's sake, I'm 50 in a few months, haven't trained since I was 20, and still can manage more than that, without problems. That man's a sack of shame...
The Ukraine war has shown the world that the Russian military is pretty much a farce. The US President and his Iranian war are now showing the world the same thing about the US.
The Iranian war hasn't been much of a war. We still don't have boots on the ground. If indiscriminate killing of civilians wasn't a war crime and frowned upon by pretty much everyone we could probably demolish the country and turn it into a giant parking lot for all the new oil refineries we will build atop the corpses
It really hasn't, the US military has once again proven to be extremely competent. The war in Iran does show that air power alone cannot achieve anything beyond "blow something up", larger political outcomes need an actually army to be deployed for them to be achieved.
The leader of the entire country shits his pants on a regular basis and falls asleep in meetings. The guy he put in charge of the military has made it the weakest the US military has been in 50 years by firing highly-trained personnel and putting idiots in charge.
Yeah, and it remains the most effective military in the world. There will be problems in the future, but for now it's got good old institutional inertia behind it
Well your first problem was getting AI to tell you anything. Your second is not realizing that bar is probably around 10 pounds so there's no way those four weights are around 75 pounds each.
I got an extra pouch for my plate carrier at Camp Leatherneck to hold stuff for my bomb dog when I arrived before punching out to Garmsir, and spent the next 8 months getting roasted because it was that grey army camo (all they had at the PX somehow) instead of coyote tan.
It's like Terry Pratchett's dwarfs from Discworld "You... want me to use another dwarfs tools? GROOOOOSSS!!" As former Army, the idea of putting on a Marine shirt just leaves a bad taste in my mouth, and I'm pretty sure it's the same across services. That's not /your/ gear. It just seems icky.
I can make you struggle with just a bar and 6lbs dumbells. This could be a cutout of last round and last reps. On that note I wish he had failure and bar dropped on his adams apple.
Did you go on TV a few months ago talking about how you can do 350 casually, then use AI to generate a video of yourself doing so while claiming it could have been 550 but you didn't want the army guys to feel bad, then actually get caught doing this?
Because if you did all that then yes, you are contemptible. Not for the last bit but for everything you did leading up to it now laid bare by that last bit.
I'm gonna have to go try tomorrow. Pretty confident I'll do better than that. After 10 years of not lifting consistently I'm inspired by this asshat to get back into it now that I'm careening over the hill
As much as this man is a piece of shit it could have been his 100th rep. People have walked in on me in tears lifting 5kg after doing drop sets from 200 and for many new gym bros this is a decent starting weight and shouldn't be shamed. .
Why would you do 40 reps at 135? The standard set is 10, if you're really doing it for strength with low weights it might be 20. You don't flex your bench press rep with 40 reps, you flex your bench press rep with your one rep max. If you're going to flex your rep with a chest exercise at max repetitions, do pushups.
You are correct that 40 is a very unusual number of reps to do on a flat bench press… but the standard set is not 10. Sets for 20 would also be very unusual to do for flat bench. The most common rep range for flat bench is 3-5, with 8 also not being uncommon. 10 and 12 less common again. 20 is silly. 40 is just stupid.
whiskycanuck
Huh, I thought he was my age, not 10 years younger than me. Alcoholism is rough.
somebackup
Struggling with 60kg. Yeah, this is first timer shit. I don't even remember the last time I saw a dude struggle with that.
youreathing
He wants to big a Big Scary Army Boy SO fucking badly. It's comically pathetic.
MikeKeyser
you need to get some tips from Putin. He knows more about staging this crap than you do
Snooj
Not to defend the guy but we have no idea what went on before. If you only film and post someone's very last rep it's not going to make them look good.
Kingcrabby
I read on a different post that this was the end of like 25 or 30. I also don't like this guy and there's plenty to hate him for but this isn't one of them.
Lassannn
Those are NOT heavy dumbbells.
majortool
Are those 45lbs plates? So that's 135lbs. What a puss.
blinkonceforyes
Looks like 35s
metalrulercid
Fucking gi joke just trying to cosplay as a serviceman. Cunt...
JackieTreehornProductions
show him doing the chinups - what a friggin joke
inthepines
byronwilliams4010
What I wouldn't give to spot for him...oops.
QuantumInc
Toxic masculinity. He is desperate to prove he fits the archetype you see in violent anti-heroes. That is what is driving policy right now, a Hollywood power fantasy meant to appeal to insecure teenage boys.
largomatic
I knew his arms were decorative muscles, but holy shit, look at his tiny little legs!
opibucket
slim jim legs lol
blesstherainsdownincastamere
I’m a 41 year old woman and I can bench press more than that. I just did today.
spooktree
stonebreaker6
He only cosplays a soldier
Guisso14
Those are some limp wrists
HollerinAtTheVoid
“Those reps don’t count sir”
ispendtomuchtimehere
I kinda wish he would stop breathing
YouRadicalizedMe
Fucking stupid spotter
69Voltage
No kinda about it
shitheadtookmyname
You know, maxing out at 135 on bench is respectable for his age, which is ... WHAT THE FUCK 46???! lol that's me and I can hit 180 and I'm a twink
Styxwash
Thought he was like 50-55
zeacorzeppelin10
Damn we were so close to having that just drop on his chest and end it all. I hope one day he's really put in the front lines and we get to see him shit his brains out at what it really takes to be a member of the American armed forces.
66gent
Every time I’ve seen this dude exercise it looks like he’s purposefully mocking someone who doesn’t know how to exercise.
nevernotsure
Himself?
darthbiscuit
Because silicone chest implants don’t help your bench numbers? Those are, what, 50lbs weights? Someone “built” like him should struggle with 100 lb bench. I did that in middle school. (Not bragging. I was a huge bitch)
FelonyRaptor
I'm definitely not a gym rat and I'll die before my time because of my bad posture and health and shitty life habits but even I'm pretty sure that's not how you hold dumbbells?
eetsumkaus
if I see any other SecDef do this, I'd think it was to highlight how hard the people around them are working by not being able to keep up. With this one though, I know he's doing it because he thinks it looks cool.
thinkybrainpains
Cheer him on ! Until he fucking strokes out
michaeloberg
He's an alcoholic weekend fox news anchor with white nationalist tattoos because he's a soft man baby. Being secdef doesn't change any of that
Imademyselfsquirtle
He has a fucking make up room...
bitemark
Kinda like watching someone hung over trying to work out
HandoB4Javert
firlefranz
lalalalsblablabal
Hahahaha
domillomew
he doesn't know good form and then on top of that it looks worse because hes trying to do do beyond what he is capable
BishlamekGurpgork
In my experience, first thing that happens when you just run out is that, if you force yourself to keep going, your form drops, because it's all you have the strength for.
But then, the only videos I've seen of this guy are when he was exhausted, I haven't seen him picking up and starting the first rep. Certainly every attempt could be bad. It wouldn't surprise me.
jdg77
His body is just like his brain
Weak and incapable
yamsonyamsonyams
He posted multiple videos of him benching 315.
How someone could do that but not be able to do other lifts is interesting.
arikelrecords2000
Anything is possible through the power of editing
7qd26tttv7
Or fake weights.
yamsonyamsonyams
I saw the videos - didnt look fake.
Some people are just really gifted bench pressers. At 55 years old and 170 pounds, my dad was able to bench 225 for 10 or 12 reps any day of the week.
However, I doubt he could’ve squatted 250 to save his life lol
arikelrecords2000
That seems fair. The last time I went to the gym for an assessment, I could leg press over 400 lbs easy, but I couldn't bench press more than 100
Bojovnik84
Its because he isn't sweating out sweat, he's sweating out alcohol and can't keep up with even a 5th grader.
OneMoreLime
And from his perspective that alcohol lost to sweat is huge sacrifice he is making for his country.
Jmarie453
I came here to say this.
He has obvious muscle wasting from his severe alcoholism.
His shoulders were giving in during the chest press.
His wrists went limp and rolled outward freely under the weight of the dumbbells.
That is not a ton of weight for a man his size with military training.
That kind of muscle takes a long time to fade, even with a sedentary lifestyle.
Let's not give him a wake up call tho.
I'm rooting for the alcohol to completely ruin his body lol
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
I am disabled for the last 15 years... I could lift those over my head... like holy shit the man could be killed by a strong gust of wind my god.
SergeyPrkl
yeah, like i did stop manual labor some 9 years ago, and today without any training whatsoever, i still can do the stuff i did prior for 20 years (construction iron worker, when i wasn't UN peace keeper in various countries)
DrewSmith0
Before I make fun, how much weight is that?
InfocalypseRising
I'm not sure how much exactly, but one plate on each side means it's not NEARLY heavy enough for anyone even moderately in shape to be struggling like that
CrisprCAS
My bench sucks, and I can still do 135 like nothing.
moonshadowkati
I worked out for years to be able to bench 100...
chaoticbear1
Hopefully you haven't made "being a macho piece of shit" your whole personality and you're good :p
Bench has always been my weakest especially after I fucked up my shoulder doing it. And now I don't lift at all. But I'll still make fun of him :p
moonshadowkati
Quite the opposite, I became a woman. :) Hegseth deserves every jeer thrown at gim, no doubt about that.
DrewSmith0
Oh god no lol I am a lazy shit. My point was tgat doesn't look like enough weight to struggle with, but I dont work out so I didn't want to make fun without a number.
Jarjarthejedi
Benchpress - Blue plates on a bar generally signifies 45lbs each. Bar is supposedly 60lbs (which seems absurdly high for a bar, but I'll trust the "how to prepare for army fitness tests" site #s (https://gym-mikolo.com/blogs/home-gym/how-much-does-the-army-acft-hex-bar-weigh). So a total of 150lbs. Which is...not impressive. Even as a fat out of shape dude.
DrewSmith0
I am fat, but strong. I think i could do 150 with less trouble then that.
IceWeaselX
Standard barbell is 45 pounds. You're looking at the description of a hex bar, which is heavier because it's a different structure.
Jarjarthejedi
Hand Weights - Basically impossible to tell. You can get 5lb ones that look like that, or 50lb. Unlikely to be above 50. Best guess would be ~30lbs. Regardless, he should be using lighter ones. His form is atrocious and he needs to learn that before even trying to use heavier weights.
ProperWeirdo
ZEROOOOOO!
TheViolinCon
Well that brought me immediately back to a specific moment in 2012. Thanks for the memory?
4Astaroth
https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1cHJhMXlkMHhnOHY0OGlxY3Nnb2pxemppY3NzbmczZmlndXQ5bHJqciZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/yidUzmv4w4ySRzEoAo/200w.webp
machine9
Trapasaurus Rex
1stDrunkJoe
As a former Marine, That shirt should've been burned.
SalmonTheWise
I thought there are no former Marines.
1stDrunkJoe
No Ex-Marines
Chattafaukup
Nobody is supposed to care if the secretary of defense can lift weights. Its purely performative because hes a vain idiot trying to impress and control the brainwashed masses that are all so far gone they dont understand the disconnect between being in an office designed for national security and defense, and being able to lift 150 pounds laying down. Eveything about this country is a joke. I bet another country wipes america out and we deserve it at this point. Guess ill learn chinese.
OtterlyMagnificent
Honestly...I'm literally on medication that makes me physically weaker. I live a mostly sedentary life. I can at least LIFT 150lbs in a bench press, even if I can only do sets of 1 or 2.
Kegsbreath is in worse shape than a sedentary person taking medication that actively harms their strength. That's not an indicator of good health on his part.
NickRivieraMD
Yeah, but it's so great that he is so fucking bad at it when he attempts to perform it. I mean, it's remarkably pathetic BECAUSE of the contrast with his cartoonish affected macho and hawkishness.
grumpusbumpus
Except we won't just go quietly. We're dragging the entire world down with us. And 1/3 of the people in this country are braying themselves hoarse supporting it all. And nobody seems to be ready for the uncomfortable action required to avert absolute catastrophe, so we'll all just watch it happen.
RetrogradeLlama
The Chinese will not be invading America. BUT, they will invade Taiwan and the USA will do nothing... particularly since we pulled key forces from there and sent them to Iran.
You could say Trump is an idiot. But it's no doubt an arranged grift with Xi. US companies get to sell in China, China gets to have Taiwan.
EricAirheart
https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1Ym00NzJ1MmxsdjJncmc2ZzJlYXNqNTE4c3BncWJqdzYweTdzY2lnMiZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/3oFzmkkwfOGlzZ0gxi/200w.webp
TheJuiceLoosener
Uh, talk about not getting it. Hegseth's amazing physical strength is the only thing preventing Iran from nuking America.
rossimus
Our sec defs last job was a weekend assistant game show host on basic cable.
RaithiosDarksun
I actually disagree.
I think if you are going to have the say in if we go to war,you have to show you are fit enough to be on the battlefield and also willing to risk having loved 1s drafted without say of where they are stationed.
InfocalypseRising
I don't disagree, but the fact that he's posturing like that and can't even do THAT right is still noteworthy
BolenArrow
none of this is noteworthy you are all fuckin stooges.
MrAcurite
A lot of these folks are braying cowards who turn into mewling quims the moment anyone remotely intimidating gets in front of them. I wonder what would happen if some place that did real journalism went over to a local gym, found some utterly yoked 6'7" guy named Jim McLarge, and gave him a press pass, a microphone, and a license to take the piss out of these guys with their questions. Even just towering over the guy and going "Has anyone ever told you you're a moron to your face?"
RemtonDulyak
For fuck's sake, I'm 50 in a few months, haven't trained since I was 20, and still can manage more than that, without problems.
That man's a sack of shame...
ThrowAwayAcct0000
The Ukraine war has shown the world that the Russian military is pretty much a farce. The US President and his Iranian war are now showing the world the same thing about the US.
FlaccidHamster
The Iranian war hasn't been much of a war. We still don't have boots on the ground. If indiscriminate killing of civilians wasn't a war crime and frowned upon by pretty much everyone we could probably demolish the country and turn it into a giant parking lot for all the new oil refineries we will build atop the corpses
ThrowAwayAcct0000
That sounds horrific
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
It really hasn't, the US military has once again proven to be extremely competent. The war in Iran does show that air power alone cannot achieve anything beyond "blow something up", larger political outcomes need an actually army to be deployed for them to be achieved.
ThrowAwayAcct0000
The leader of the entire country shits his pants on a regular basis and falls asleep in meetings. The guy he put in charge of the military has made it the weakest the US military has been in 50 years by firing highly-trained personnel and putting idiots in charge.
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
Yeah, and it remains the most effective military in the world. There will be problems in the future, but for now it's got good old institutional inertia behind it
theoutdoorrageous
Hate to say it but a quick ai stayed its 300lbs* it def looks less but I don’t lift so idk tbh b
FlintNorth44
DON'T RELY ON AI
theoutdoorrageous
I was mistaken. Turns out it was his 44th rep in 135. I’m not a fan of Pete or trump just like to be objective.
MWheeler9779
That’s 135. Two 45 Lb plates and a 45 Lb bar.
theoutdoorrageous
I was mistaken. Turns out it was his 44th rep in 135. I’m not a fan of Pete or trump just like to be objective.
dontrike
Well your first problem was getting AI to tell you anything. Your second is not realizing that bar is probably around 10 pounds so there's no way those four weights are around 75 pounds each.
theoutdoorrageous
I was mistaken. Turns out it was his 44th rep in 135. I’m not a fan of Pete or trump just like to be objective.
Shpielers
Fyi, bar is 45. Agree with everything else
dontrike
Fair enough, looks like one I used to use which was 10.
Centroid
Take that Marines shirt off, you white trash fuckin wannabe.
Zalteks
As a retired Marine. Fuck this piece of shit
Centroid
Give ‘em one!
TheSecondPiewackit
When I saw this, I was like "Why is a former soldier wearing Marine gear?" wearing other branches' gear feels... dirty.
SalmonTheWise
He already disgraced Army uniform, now he has to give equal time to everyone else. Probably will skip Coast Guard.
Centroid
I got an extra pouch for my plate carrier at Camp Leatherneck to hold stuff for my bomb dog when I arrived before punching out to Garmsir, and spent the next 8 months getting roasted because it was that grey army camo (all they had at the PX somehow) instead of coyote tan.
TheSecondPiewackit
It's like Terry Pratchett's dwarfs from Discworld "You... want me to use another dwarfs tools? GROOOOOSSS!!" As former Army, the idea of putting on a Marine shirt just leaves a bad taste in my mouth, and I'm pretty sure it's the same across services. That's not /your/ gear. It just seems icky.
ididntwannadothis
Hey, I was at the British side of Leatherneck, Camp Bastion, in 2012 right after the raid by the taliban
Centroid
Cheers! I was only there for a few days when we landed in early October 2010. Flew back stateside from Camp Dwyer last week of May 2011.
CrisprCAS
Was he struggling with 135?
fibbertitgibbet
I think this is at the fag end of the session. The guy is physically capable, but that isn't really what's required for the job description.
n0n53n53
Wait so that video of him benching 315 was fake weights? Who would have thought (hint, literally every person who's ever benched)
Hevach
It was AI "enhanced."
Mlatimudan
I can make you struggle with just a bar and 6lbs dumbells. This could be a cutout of last round and last reps. On that note I wish he had failure and bar dropped on his adams apple.
NotSomoneElse68
Are those even full plates?
NotSomoneElse68
Downvoted for an honest question. No wonder people are tired of this site.
letmypeoplego
Imagine needing a spot for 135 😂
Exyr
He was struggling with 10lb dumbell presses
MenloPart
I don't work out and I'm sure my form was terrible, but I just did 20 reps with each arm with a 25-pound weight.
manystripes
A handle of whiskey in each hand would have been more in his comfort zone
CrisprCAS
Not full extension, doesn't count.
Slashenaar
Fuck I'd pay to see a drill instructor react to that.
MenloPart
[Hegseth doing push-ups]
[drill instructor] "0. 0. 0. 0. 0."
slopwizard
He wasn't struggling, "struggling" implies an attempt was made
ThisIsAllYouCouldComeUpWith
I struggle with 70. Am I contemptible?
FlintNorth44
This is all you could come up with...?
Hevach
Did you go on TV a few months ago talking about how you can do 350 casually, then use AI to generate a video of yourself doing so while claiming it could have been 550 but you didn't want the army guys to feel bad, then actually get caught doing this?
Because if you did all that then yes, you are contemptible. Not for the last bit but for everything you did leading up to it now laid bare by that last bit.
onemightyandstrong
I don’t even lift bro
cuzitsthere
How many Iranian kids have you murdered? Think next time, it'll save us all time and effort
Valharroth
Only if your whole personality revolves around belittling people for how weak and unmanly they are. The schadenfreude is acceptable in those cases.
azazyel
I haven't been on a bench in almost 30 years but I'm still pretty sure I could put that up. Was that like his 10th rep or something?
conMan76
still looks like he is flopping around like a fish out of water on the bench...
MadamPuddifoot
Yeah that body position on the bench screams "I've never used a bench"
CoalhouseWalker
I'm gonna have to go try tomorrow. Pretty confident I'll do better than that. After 10 years of not lifting consistently I'm inspired by this asshat to get back into it now that I'm careening over the hill
BDSMThroatHugs
As much as this man is a piece of shit it could have been his 100th rep. People have walked in on me in tears lifting 5kg after doing drop sets from 200 and for many new gym bros this is a decent starting weight and shouldn't be shamed. .
iamamentat
My thought too, but his form on the dumbells is so shit. Like if you can't lift it correctly, you can't lift it. Your set is done.
azazyel
totally but it's still funny because this was just a publicity stunt. If you can do 10 only do 5 for the camera.
Cyanide555
Not defending but he does 40ish halfass reps. This isn't a flex by him but its not the gotcha people want really.
swofromtherock
You know the score for 40 half ass reps? Its 0. Zero.
Callynd
Why would you do 40 reps at 135? The standard set is 10, if you're really doing it for strength with low weights it might be 20. You don't flex your bench press rep with 40 reps, you flex your bench press rep with your one rep max. If you're going to flex your rep with a chest exercise at max repetitions, do pushups.
mynamespaul
You are correct that 40 is a very unusual number of reps to do on a flat bench press… but the standard set is not 10. Sets for 20 would also be very unusual to do for flat bench. The most common rep range for flat bench is 3-5, with 8 also not being uncommon. 10 and 12 less common again. 20 is silly. 40 is just stupid.