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Klpincoyo
I'd say he's too stupid for politics but Republicans also laud Boebert and Greene...and Trump.
TheRoadOfExcessLeadsToThePalaceOfWisdom
If it is grey, why haven't the families of those killed filed wrongful death suits? Bar is lower in civil court.
BigRobbo
Yea... wasn't the basis he got off because despite ALL the other laws he broke... at the exact moment he shot someone it was self defence?
tlamstrike
So Gaige Grosskreutz and Joshua Ziminski were also terrorist insurgents?
tlamstrike
Also, thankfully in regards to civilian crimes we do not operate under military law here in the US.
ThatAintRightItsAllLeft
Be nice if we at least operated per our constitution and charge some criminals, other than the ones who can't afford to avoid jail anyway.
Wynja
I thought you needed to act for a political purpose/goal to be a terrorist?
newsguycraigevans
He was. That's why he's a domestic terrorist.
KrebstarCorporation
Kyle should face self defense from people everywhere he goes. He should never feel safe from self defense
hellospacemonkey
The MAGA GOP need 18-25 year old voters, this is the start of their PR campaign for 2024.
chetnixandflill
CasualObserver5
The ‘medic’ Rittenhouse shot was holding a pistol for self defense and could have shot Rittenhouse FIRST because HE feared for his life.
MouseCheese1
/s Guns make everything better, dont they... dont they!
wrxnefx182
Alpha Male Kyle Rittenhouse ?
NeutralForest
As a vet I agree completely, fuck that kid
bekindtoanimals
He’s a murderer and got away with it then was congratulated by right wing nutjobs
RadicalLiberal
c0d3s1ing3r
acquitted on all counts
iLikeRainyDays
I actually watched a doc on this going in with an open mind. He shouldn't have had a weapon in the first place. That being said his actions
iLikeRainyDays
Definitely seemed to be out of self defense. I don't think this was in any way murder.
Inkfinger
the problem is none of this is accurate and this guy is not a lawyer. stop letting your bias distort the facts. thats what republicans do.
Whitebeardthepirate
Republicans: *looking up from counting their money* hm? oh, just some bullet fodder talking *goes back to counting bribe money*
StankyPankySammich
I mean, y’all forget the dude on the stand that was a felon with a weapon that said IN COURT he planned on killing him and got shot and ++
IainG101
Here's a hot take; both were in the wronmg and deserve jail.
StankyPankySammich
++served ZERO time and had NO trial? Like, you can’t pick and choose what you want to be mad at. The law is the law. Get over it.
alex5775
What? You say that like laws are always just and are unchanging. What do you mean get over it? People are dead.
WhatSayYouCitizen
I mean, that's definitely one take, but by that measure every person prepared for self-defense is an insurgent terrorist.
PostyRat
lol sry wrote a whole thing and deleted , this whole topic is too complicated for character limits.
WOOPWOOPthatsthesoundofthepolice
But he put himself in a riot, armed, and spoke about being prepared to shoot people...
DriveByShitting
This will be downvoted, but he was found innocent by a jury. You want change, go fucking vote.
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Hana77
How is voting going to change the minds of a jury?
PeteTusk
Too bad about the gerrymandering . . .
slyvic
Ah Kyle Murderer Rittenhouse. The little white turd who got away with it.
Inkfinger
Thats a little racist, dontcha think?
slyvic
No. Calling a white person white isn't racist in the slightest.
Inkfinger
a white turd tho?
slyvic
Little turd who happens to be white.
Inkfinger
I mean... I feel like if I called a black guy that I didn't care for a black turd, there would be objections.
RocknRootRanchcuzallwegotisrocksandrootsandafewtrees
Apparently he thinks he'll be in the House as rep when he turns 25. ?
JanglesPrime
Anyone who votes for him deserves him. He'd probably do something else that potentially gets him killed within a year of winning.
605JW
I mean, the MAGA folks put MTG in congress, them putting another piece of shit in congress is very likely.
RocknRootRanchcuzallwegotisrocksandrootsandafewtrees
Yeah and sickeningly she won overwhelmingly again ?
glovelyday
The GOP considers him a hero. He is a murderer. That tells you all you need to know about today's GOP.
KleptoKea
And the state of the society Americans have cultivated for themselves. You guys need to unfuck yourselves ASAP.
MadeYouLookAgain
Pull yourself up by your bootstraps!
Gosuamakenatek
They love him cause he got to kill people they don't agree with any get away with it, which is their ultimate fantasy.
Kafna
Fuck the GOP.
FisheswithDynamite
Sadly, it also tells you all you need to know about the parts of America that keep voting GOP as well.
celestedrake
It doesn’t tell all which is even sadder…
celestedrake
Unfortunately that only tells you some of what you need to know…Their evils run deep…
Harbltron
They held a raffle for the rifle he used to kill people.
Efreeti
Same model I assume, not the same object. Similar to what the NRA did just after Uvalde with the Daniel Defense DDM4 V7
DarkBusterBaron
Not as bad as the people who find terrorists, school shooters, and serial killers attractive.
PlaidBastard
It's the most blatant of the blatant parallels with everybody's favorite assholes to annihilate in video games, Adolf's Knockoff Fascists.
Inkfinger
uninformed, emotionally driven arguments like this, make you sound like you are also a GOP member.
TacoPoweredHelicopter
Explain.
theawake
And trying to pretend like the GOP isn't evil in almost every single way makes you sound like one. Spot the fascist, yall!
deadmanstar
If Kyle had been Black and his victims white this would have ended very differently.
newsguycraigevans
For damn sure
whoeezthat
Victims were white btw
deadmanstar
Yes, I know. Just saying. ?
beesleep
typical white on white crime.
newsguycraigevans
But they were defending blm so you can see how that doesn't matter to other domestic terrorists.
BrutusGrimme
Legally carries a weapon. Gets chased. Gets backed against a car. Defends self. “Terrorist!”
CraftyGiant
he was never cornered you disingenuous idiot.
Hyndisfox
A lot of people never watched the trial, and it shows. The prosecution's own witnesses demonstrated it was self defense.
CraftyGiant
most biased trial i've ever seen.
alex5775
At 17 wasn't he explicitly not legally carrying a weapon? Across state lines no less.
Bukkhockey
If you watched the trial you'd know both of your sentences and what they imply are wrong. Google Wisconsin gun laws.
newsguycraigevans
Made a video saying he wants to kill blm. Took a rifle to blm protest. Started shit then started shooting. That's not self defense.
newsguycraigevans
He's a domestic terrorist.
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TheMightyMoto
I agree with this post.
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ImGoingToGoFallAsleepOnABench
He brought a loaded rifle to an area he had no place being and had explicitly stated that he wanted to shoot people with his AR beforehand.
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ImGoingToGoFallAsleepOnABench
The fact that he put himself in a situation he had no fucking business being in. It was not HIS property to defend. He should've stayed home
Ghostwish
A protest is violent. If it's not, it isn't worth noting, but apparently you forgot protests come well after negotiations have failed.
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Ghostwish
protests should be peaceful. That way, they don't have to pay them one bit of mind. Peace doesn't pen history.
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Ghostwish
WTF do you think a protest is? A nice little come together where everyone can talk and work things out? The actual propaganda is that all 1/
Ghostwish
And if you travel anywhere with a gun with an intent to do something with that gun, it's violent. Fuck the gun gonna do? Issue a citation?
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JanglesPrime
Untrained, underage teens have no business roaming the streets with a rifle.
CausticLemonEnema
Are you stupid? Why would he bring a loaded rifle to a place of unrest with no intent to use it?
Ghostwish
You wouldn't know self-defense if you got shot while breaking into someone's house. Shut the fuck up.
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chickenoodlesoup
Are you referring to Kyle Rittenhouse, the terrorist insurgent?
OsIgnis
They are indeed speaking about Kyle Rittenhouse, the murderous, terrorist, insurgent.
ialoneambest
Waitammint. Kyle Rittenhouse is a terrorist insurgent? I THOUGHT SO!
LtCinnamonBuns
Didn't he make a post or something that said he's going to run for president?
sherlockhooves
I believe his proper name is Kyle "the civilian murdering, terrorist, insurgent" Rittenhouse
OldsterBabe
Who should be Kyle "the incarcerated, murdering, terrorist insurgent" Rittenhouse.
Brodor
You forgot crybaby bitch boi
Bonsaipanda
It was funny when I tried to point this out and people defended him with almost tears in their eyes.
GermanSausagesAreTheWurst
Yes, I do believe they are talking about Kyle Rittenhouse, the terrorist insurgent.
WeeHuaHua
Oh yes, definitely referring referring to Kyle “the terrorist insurgent” Rittenhouse.
JaimeLannistersRightHand
Domestic* terrorist insurgent
crossingdynasty
The one who got away with murder?
BoogiesOogie
Kuzco’s poison
reichstein
You forgot murderer
anitabieror6
yeah make sure you say murder first so ppl dont think he murders insurgents
inkasep1
What's this about Kyle Rittenhouse, the murderous terrorist insurgent?
BleedingQuasar
Can we please make this a thing in the same way we constantly remind people about the rapist Brock Turner.
Izotop
Do you mean Brock Turner the rapist?
ZeroScore
Brock Turner: Rapist
klavohuntergmail
The rapist, Brock Turner?
Vallete
Much like Chris belter, Brock Turner is indeed a rapist
Fedotia
Yet I was downvoted before the trial for pointing that if you go counter-protesting with an assault rifle, you own the result.
RideTheStimutacs
That's because there was a surge of alt-right here after some of their insular subreddits got shut down.
majorcovert
The problem was the prosecution. They got greedy with his charges. 1st degree homicide is hard to prove without doubt
Fedotia
Aye, nothing to do with the far-right judge who denied inconvenient facts to be shown, or the sparkling white jury.
Gosuamakenatek
I think that sounds too tough for what he really is, a scared little bitch who needs an assault rifle to protect himself from skateboards.
CraftyGiant
he had already killed before the skateboard was a threat, he murdered over a thrown plastic bag.
chastidy
One guy had a gun btw
CraftyGiant
kyle had already killed someone before that person became involved. so shut up.
chastidy
No
Inkfinger
this 'murica, son, we don't take kindly to facts around here. we just let the media tell us how to feel about things.
CraftyGiant
Facts like kyle was an active shooter who had killed at least one unarmed person, BEFORE that person with a gun was involved?
TruthTrumpet
Wut? It was Ziminski firing in Kyle’s direction among “kill you chants” that made him stop and shoot.
Inkfinger
What does active shooter even mean? And Rosenbaum was behaving aggressively all night, chased him, cornered him and tried to grab his rifle.
Gosuamakenatek
Yeah but he only brought it out after he saw Kyle kill an unarmed man, it was either that or do nothing cause the cops weren't gonna help.
chastidy
He killed an unarmed man, who tried to grabbed a gun. I guess you should wait until he gets your gun to shoot him? Oh wait...
Gosuamakenatek
Yes he saw a man bring an assault rifle to a protest in the US, mass shooting capitol of the world, and tried to take it, can't imagine why.
coreunit
The person that kept even more children from being raped by a psychopath ?
Djones06236
Kyle doesn't get to make that decision, even if it's true. But, you go on justifying extrajudicial killings.
coalminersknuckle
Would you mind elaborating just a tiny bit? I think the rest of missed that episode of
coreunit
Joseph Rosenbaum the first person ritenhose killed that night was a serial child rapist
NinjaCongo
Dude, SOURCE? Also, even if this was true, how would Rittenhouse have known that?
Djones06236
Also, if he did know that and still killed him, that's not how justice works. That's fucking premeditated murder.
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RideTheStimutacs
Hey, did you know that cops are also not supposed to murder guilty people? Did you know that judges aren't either? Or prison guards?
SleazyBijou
There’s a second insurgent terrorist?
WalksWithNoFear
Now don't tell them that. You'll only make the mob even madder
DrankTooMuchMead
Every red hat always says that exact phrase. So programmed.
EchoPMIM
It's like talking to a poorly-programmed chatbot.
f00l82
Go back to reddit bro.
RoboUnicornFishBalls
Mum should've swallowed tbh
WalksWithNoFear
At least I have a mom
RoboUnicornFishBalls
KitchenComandante
Kyle didn't know he was previously convicted of that. Understand?
chastidy
But he did know they were the type of people to pull a gun on him and violently attack him
CraftyGiant
facepalm.... he had killed someone BEFORE anyone pulled a gun on him you idiot.
TheRealArclight
CardboardStomach
Did...did you read the post? Specifically the second part? There's also 0% chance Kyle had any idea who he was killing or their background
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BigTex1
This is what he’s referring to:
Gosuamakenatek
You know what would be even worse than all that? Murdering 2 people and nearly killing a 3rd before your 18th birthday.
BigTex1
Good thing it was a clear cut case of self defense and not murder then.
suiseiseki
Past crimes do not make being killed by a terrorist okay.
BigTex1
I agree, is assaulting a minor and being killed by the victim for it while in commission of the act alright?
chastidy
Then why does holding a gun justify being attacked?
MrCheesebiscuit
14 downvotes within an hour. We've got some MAGA nuts here.
bekindtoanimals
Yep
church1982
I think they're magagas now. Giant babies who support another giant baby
Whiskeyginandbrandy
Have some respect. They’re called MAGAts
IainG101
I'm also fond of Trumpanzees
Whiskeyginandbrandy
Ha! That’s great!
Inkfinger
Actually I vote democrat across the board. I disagree with this issue based on the facts of the case.
RogueKitsune
Same. He was a colossal fucking dumbass for being there, and has only gotten worse since, but, laws as written? The verdict was correct.
Inkfinger
My thoughts exactly. He's a gullible tool being propped up by the GoP to enrage democrats
newsguycraigevans
You don't want to to see the comments section now. A lot of people defending the domestic terrorist.
Whitebeardthepirate
nuts and bots
reichstein
I feel like there is a joke about an artificial insemination robot in there somewhere.
Whitebeardthepirate
seed-3P0
RedWingedBlackbirds
reichstein
Nice
Bubbells
82 now..... a part of me really hopes some are bots.
Ink41d0
Da, Komrade, best bots only from Mudder Rushah.
Flapjacknacigarette
As a non bot I'd be willing to run down this case with anyone over voice chat.
Davredz
As in you agree with what he did?
Flapjacknacigarette
No not really. I just think most people that are mad about the case don't really understand it. I agree with the verdict in comparison 1/2
Flapjacknacigarette
To the charges but I don't agree with pervious statements and some conduct during. Just hard to have an interesting convo over 140 char 2/2
Flapjacknacigarette
I dislike Trump with a passion but rittenhouse isn't a murderer. None of this holds up under the mildest scrutiny.
newsguycraigevans
He intentionally went there to kill people that disagreed with him. He made a video saying he was going to do it. He's a murderer.
Flapjacknacigarette
Are you talking about the super store video? Shoot me a link.
TheRealArclight
lol your comments say you are a trump supporter you lying piece of shit..
Flapjacknacigarette
Would you mind explaining that? or is that just your cop out for being a moron?
TheRealArclight
really...you are the one with the shitty reading comprehension..
Flapjacknacigarette
Hope on voice then bud. But we both know it's cope
midrealmknight
So when a citizen confronts an active shooter and is killed by that shooter, it’s self defense. Got it.
midrealmknight
Point of info: I should have used the sarcasm tag on this post
midrealmknight
Literally being downvoted by people too dense to see the sarcasm *and* by people pissed at the criticism of their defense of Rittenhouse.
Flapjacknacigarette
Not in any case and certainly not remotely close to the rittenhouse scenario. Feel free to hop on a vc with me if you want.
newsguycraigevans
That's not what happened. He made a video saying he wanted to kill blm. Then took a rifle to a blm protest, started shit, & started shooting
midrealmknight
I should have used the sarcasm tag
RideTheStimutacs
So if everyone agreed and upvoted, you're claiming you would've respond to all of them with "no, see, I was joking, get it?" [X]Doubt
Flapjacknacigarette
That's an outright lie. I'll PayPal you $100 if you have a video of him saying he wanted to kill BLM.
newsguycraigevans
He is literally a domestic terrorist.
midrealmknight
I agree
JamBarn
This is a reality free zone.
Flapjacknacigarette
I agree
newsguycraigevans
crunchee
Yup. I’m very left, but most lefties forsake the facts for feelings and hardcore bandwagon. Makes us look bad unfortunately.
Flapjacknacigarette
Would be nice at least to have some critical engagement. Like the top comment right now, it's a completely unrelated video, just frustrating
RideTheStimutacs
You're not critically engaging, you're making stock strawman talking points and then lamenting that nObOdY WaNtS tO DiScUsS ?
crunchee
Sorry if you saw that last comment, was meant for other guy >.<
RideTheStimutacs
Mute this sealioning douche. They all think everyone owes them an argument. This creep actually wants you to confront them on voice chat.
FlintNorth44
Flapjacknacigarette
Yea crazy to think after you call the guy a Nazi on repeat that he gets pushed to the right. Who woulda thought.
RideTheStimutacs
It's almost like humans have personal agency and can deliberately distance themselves from violent hate groups instead of leaning into it.
newsguycraigevans
Flapjacknacigarette
I mean we have clear evidence of him supporting the protests before any of this happened.
newsguycraigevans
Why are you defending a domestic terrorist? Do you also support violence against Americans that disagree with your politics?
Flapjacknacigarette
Wanna vc? Personally that seems like projection
CraftyGiant
this was two fucking days later you twit.
Harbltron
Pushed to the right of what? This chud got away with murder and GLOATS about it you fucking simpleton.
Flapjacknacigarette
Well before he was there he's literally on video supporting BLM sooo
ImGoingToGoFallAsleepOnABench
People who sympathize with the alt-right blame everyone else for "making" them Nazis instead of coddling them.
RawSuger
i could have accepted manslaughter. if you go to confront your neighbour armed with a gun and fire upon him when he hits you,not selfdefense
pudgenet1
You’re completely wrong. Educate yourself. https://pudge.substack.com/p/jury-read-the-instructions
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darkhalfbreed
A vigilante charge would have been the safest bet
Vallete
I could have accepted this if it was because his parents should be held responsible for the murder part, given he was 17.
bpsr2000
Not sure I agree with your last bit. If I conceal carry, and I confront my neighbor, and they assault me, firearm use would be self-defense.
bpsr2000
If I get a firearm specifically to confront my neighbor...that's a dif argument.
RawSuger
thats just insane, and i'd say 9/10 that defense wouldnt work, you cant just pick a fight and murder when ppl attack w fists
TheOtherGuy1
They probably would have gotten him on manslaughter but sometimes people can't help themselves and aim for the moon.
Neoqueto
Escalation resulting in death should be penalized
crazyspelling
This is what stand your ground laws are based on, but it's sick. You can go pick a fight with someone and kill them when you start to lose!
RawSuger
stand your ground defense is applied wildly differently. almost only applies to white ppl killing vlack people, se last week tonight on this
rusrsdude
Cops be like ?
PimpinKen
LegalEagle did a good job explaining the trial. I still agree with you guys, but he breaks down why it happened
RawSuger
he didnt cover the part where if kyle had been black killing trump supporters he'd be either dead or in for life. the law COULD be applied
billstranger
This is why i call him a killer, not a murderer. He killed people, for no good reason. But murder is a crime he was acquitted of. Don't...
billstranger
Make it right. It's his fault they're dead, and he's happy about it. A right fucken trashbag.
RawSuger
2) the way it was no doubt but its suspect AF that it was in this case
chastidy
It actually is self defense, look it up lol
StSword1
His own lawyer stated he was there to guard property. Guarding property is not self defense, and to non assholes who don't value 1/2
StSword1
2/2 property over human lives, illegally playing security guard with an illegal gun that ends in human death is in fact several crimes.
chastidy
Whether or not he was there to protect property. When the self defense happened, he was protecting his own life not the property...
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crazyspelling
This. The jury got it right based on the applicable laws and charges. DA shouldn't have gone so big. Vigilantism, reckless endangerment.
SavageGoH
The best measure for self defense is avoiding the situation. He walked the streets waiting for someone to challenge him.
plutonium
“The best defence is NO BE THERE” --Mr Miyagi
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alex5775
Some things, especially intentions, can be obvious, but not provable beyond any doubt in court
FootSub
Was he stupid to go there? Yes. Everyone who was there that night was equally guilty of that though so not a good reason to convict
StSword1
He was illegally playing security guard with an illegal firearm and killed people defending property cause he valued property over life.
JanglesPrime
If you think it is OK for untrained, underage teens to walk the streets with a military style machine made to kill, why don't we post a few
Gosuamakenatek
Exactly, there's a reason there was no violence until he showed up with the biggest gun he could find to "defend himself" from nothing.
crazyspelling
No no no, he showed up to defend a total stranger's insured auto parts store. Totally worth killing people for. /s
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crazyspelling
Agreed, I was talking about why he said he went, not what he did when he got there. 140 characters and all.
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darkhalfbreed
Why? He isn't an officer of the law or a trained medic. That's vigilantism and that is still illegal
crazyspelling
"Violence" lol. He was there to defend the protestors from the cops? They were the ones using violence. Property damage is not violence.
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crazyspelling
Violence is against people. Property damage is against insurance companies. It's easy.
Gosuamakenatek
So what was his goal then? To put out trash can fires? He needed an assault rifle to do that?
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EchoPMIM
So he went there specifically because he wanted an excuse to shoot at people, got it. Thanks for being honest about that!
Hammertulski
Who fucking asked him to show up, armed and inexperienced, to “guard more properties”? Fucking nobody, that’s who.
Gosuamakenatek
If you have a gun for self defense, you keep it concealed. He showed up waving it around and made people think he was a mass shooter.
Mentok
If only there was a whole profession of people, trained and empowered to do that. Oh well, guess it has to be done by vigilante children.
EccentricNimoy
Things can be replaced you don't need to murder to "protect" them
anarchoFeline
it should be noted that if he was arrested participating in the protest instead of murdering someone it would have been a federal crime
TweakedDE
However also should be noted no one was actually charged
anarchoFeline
what do you mean when you say no one was charged?
anarchoFeline
crossing state lines to protest makes it a federal charge
TheNoggle
This take is honestly the goofiest. A) You think protesting is illegal B) You seem to think anyone cares if they live on a states border.
anarchoFeline
your are wrong. https://www.axios.com/2020/05/30/george-floyd-protest-bill-barr
TheNoggle
Any charges that actually went through? I googled 'violent rioting crime' and didnt have any hits; Your link from 2020, would expect some.
crazyspelling
... what? Protesting is not illegal and crossing state lines to do it is not illegal. If the protest goes bad there might be local charges.
anarchoFeline
if you are arrested at a protest day for violating a dispersal order and cross state lines that will result in federal charges
anarchoFeline
"It is a federal crime to cross state lines... to incite or participate in violent rioting" bill barr