the dump truck driver was drunk. the DoT truck could have had a supplementary fuel tank for refueling other stuff and that ruptured. could simply be the fuel tank got squished when it got rear ended by a big truck. even diesel will do that if its hot, and with the way diesels fuel systems work if the truck has been running for a few hours it will be.
Gregory Pree pleaded guilty June 12 in Summit County Common Pleas Court to aggravated vehicular assault, a second-degree felony, and operating a vehicle under the influence, a first-degree misdemeanor. 7.5 years. Dump truck hit Ohio DOT truck. Guy was stopped to pick up trash.
I thought the same thing but the news articles claim they both survived! Dump truck drives was drunk and sentenced to 7.5 yrs in prison. Couldn’t find what injuries they both sustained though.
They most certainly did not. If it could talk - and the Enrichment Center takes this opportunity to remind you that it cannot - it would tell you to go on without it because it would rather die in a fire than become a burden to you.
Fun fact! Ford pintos actually had LOWER rates of car fires than the average car. The whole "Pintos are dangerous" thing came because an evening news channel rigged one with explosives and blew it up in a story claiming they blew up all the time.
Do you have a source for that, because this article disagrees. It seems the Canadian made Pintos were safe, but the American made ones were built cheaper and were more prone to combusting on impact due to poorly attached gas tank. Greed, as usual, was the culprit.
Interesting. I wonder though if the statistics were distinquished between the Canadian made model vs. the American made model if the car would rate differently than just average. I feel like the safer Canadian made cars are buoying that statistic a bit.
Did a search for I-77 explosion and found another article from Nov 2022 (OP is May 2022) that said driver was under the influence, mentioning both drugs and alcohol.
on drugs and a suspended license. That should be a monitor for life to make sure he never gets behind the wheel again. Amazing he didn't murder the ODOT driver.
Fuel tank ruptured, and touched something hot enough to ignite gasoline/diesel. A hard rear-end accident like that often causes ruptures to the fuel tank if it isn't designed properly.
If electric cars were the standard and someone was trying to convince people to drive around on a tank with tens of gallons of explosives in it that ignite 40 times as often as EVs do, no one would ever even remotely consider allowing them.
Lithium battery fires are terrifying. I saw a Tesla that plowed into a tree at 60mph, and you could feel the heat of the fire from the opposite side of the freeway. The fire dept was trying their best to put out the fire.
Ironically, it was one of the main (artificial) arguments against hydrogen powered cars, claiming they could explode, summoning visions of the Hindenburg. Of course, there were practical reasons why a hydrogen fuel culture is a tough sell, being mostly production and infrastructure. But the cognitive dissonance of opponents of hydrogen powered cars due to safety was impressive.
I am very pro new transport technologies but I'm also a career firefighter and hydrogen scares the bejeesus out of me. Hydrogen has a flammable range about 5 times larger than propane, but the real kicker is the pressure it must be stored in. Propane cylinders store gas at less than 30 bar, scuba cylinders can store up to 200 bar and the carbon fibre wrapped cylinders I wear at work store up to 300 bar of breathing air. Hydrogen cylinders run a pressure of 700 bar. Gargantuan explosion risk.
No, it's really not. Source: buddy in oil and gas. No surprise that industry wants to promote something they can already do well with tweaks vs a great departure. You'll see.
That's awesome! I love the concept of hydrogen powered vehicles. The notion that the exhaust is pure water makes the environmentalist in me so thrilled! =)
…. You do realize that 98% of hydrogen manufacture is through a process of high carbon emissions (it’s not electrolysis) and that leaked H2 actually has a greenhouse effect 12 times greater than co2? It’s not the environmentalist warm and fuzzies you make it out to be. Honestly the most realistic answer (which I get is not ideal) is batteries for end use, and nuclear for power backbone.
And yet significantly below methane and other hydrocarbons. There is some merit to a hydrogen economy, but it's not without room for improvement. And if battery and lithium mining have ethical issues, this may be a viable alternative. There's no perfect solution is what I'm saying, but hydrogen is better than the current status quo.
This kind of shit pisses me off... I can forgive a small lack of attention where you barely move out of your lane, but not that. Completely moved to the shoulder and managed to hit the only fucking thing there.
I saw a video where a truck driver closed his eyes “for a second”, veered into the shoulder, and hit a car where people were changing a tire. No one died but the truck driver said his passenger front tire blew out making him veer off course while simultaneously forgetting that his company has dash cams that watch forward and the driver. Video doesn’t lie.
I noticed that drunk drivers, and inattentive drivers, tend to have higher incidences of "target fixation". If they see something unusual on the road, they tend to veer towards it.
In number of accidents … maybe; in number of people harmed in any accident … doubtful. But, unless the number of people traveling by mass transit equals those in cars, we can’t really compare. I would suspect that if there were more buses and more trains, there would be more accidents involving those modes of transport. And with more folks packed in each one, the level of injury would be greater. Not to mention injuries caused inside those modes from other passengers.
Okay so here's a little basic maths for you - if once a year a train crashes and 30 people die, is that better or worse than the 30,000 people a year dying in car crashes?
not sure seeking "zero bad things happening ever" is ever going to be an achievable goal, so I prefer to stick to relative safety based on data we have on hand.
that would be like if I said "swimming in the ocean during a hurricane is dangerous" and you came back with "oh ya? you think ZERO people ever drown in swimming pools??"
During the early pandemic, when nobody wanted to go anywhere, I had to drive in to work to get something. The roads were absolutely abandoned, except for two cars. The only other two cars on the road. One managed to find the other and rear-end it. That is the day I realized that humans are non-viable as a species. We are simply obsessed with killing ourselves.
I remember during the pandemic going full swing, was on a nearly empty intersection. somehow they cut me off by running a red light. Literally no one in front of me or behind me in sight, but they waited til I was half way through an intersection for it to be the time they MUST turn. I had to slam on the breaks and blared my horn. and somehow this brilliant person that ran a red light to cut off the only car in sight had the gall to roll down their window and call ME the asshole.
I don’t. I had to drive a lot for work and cops stopped me near daily to ask for some stupid travel voucher, and every day I’d have to explain why I’m, yet again, an hour late. Then my manager kept saying “just leave at 5AM instead of 6” no fuck you. Let me stay home like everyone else, we don’t even have customers in the store. Everything is online. Why the fuck am I here.
We absolutely need those things, but self-driving cars will absolutely become a reality. They already work decently well, and the threshold at which we should start banning human drivers is the point where their accident record becomes even slightly better than the *average* human driver, which I assure you is a very, very low bar. Give it a decade or two and we'll absolutely have it working that well.
Work decently well? Like Tesla driving into concrete construction barrier or going offroad because it doesn't see a fork in the road? Or the ones that cannot make up its mind after completing a stop and detecting all kinds of things on the sidewalk and never moving. Or the ones swerving into traffic. Or the one simply crashing into another car anyway after avoiding a rear-end because traffic stopped. Or like the Waymo cars creating a traffic jam in a dead-end street? We're far from it. >
ValiantToast
Well that escalated quickly.
TheSonofJohn
I mean, the camera was fine.
CrunchWrapFrappuccinoo
Yeah, but the camera was mounted on a stick.
nobodyspecial995
My green card is in my other stick
DarkfireDragon
How he heck did that even happen? Did the white truck have gas canisters on it or something? That seemed to happen way to easily.
ProphetofEntropy
the dump truck driver was drunk. the DoT truck could have had a supplementary fuel tank for refueling other stuff and that ruptured. could simply be the fuel tank got squished when it got rear ended by a big truck. even diesel will do that if its hot, and with the way diesels fuel systems work if the truck has been running for a few hours it will be.
DarkfireDragon
Oh, crap...
CamelbackJack
Gregory Pree pleaded guilty June 12 in Summit County Common Pleas Court to aggravated vehicular assault, a second-degree felony, and operating a vehicle under the influence, a first-degree misdemeanor. 7.5 years. Dump truck hit Ohio DOT truck. Guy was stopped to pick up trash.
CamelbackJack
Dump truck driver was DUI and driving on a suspended license.
tonyiscariot
I like the one car that is like, "Hmm, better slowly change lanes to avoid that fireball."
megatausj11
Did I just watch someone die?
thrashingcows
I thought the same thing but the news articles claim they both survived! Dump truck drives was drunk and sentenced to 7.5 yrs in prison. Couldn’t find what injuries they both sustained though.
Greymalum
Bluefasa
Great, that fire I ordered is gonna be delayed now
FoxPesdassi
If you can't get your fire delivered, home-made is fine.
sindail
I might be wrong, but I think you're supposed to slow down before attempting to give another vehicle a push
TotallyNotGLaDOS
Thank you for using the Aperture Science Portable Emergency Incinerator.
orangatuan
But I didnt sign up for that product, you were supposesd to install Aperture Science Reinforced Airbags
Rockafella83
DarkMagic1516
That was a shipment of companion cubes.
TotallyNotGLaDOS
Don’t worry. We have warehouses full of the things. Happy to be rid of them.
DarkMagic1516
They told me they loved me D:
TotallyNotGLaDOS
They most certainly did not. If it could talk - and the Enrichment Center takes this opportunity to remind you that it cannot - it would tell you to go on without it because it would rather die in a fire than become a burden to you.
MyUsernameHas22letters
Directed by Quinton Tarentino (Dont mind the spelling🤔)
PicassoCT
As seen on wish.com
PineappleLoopsBroether
*Quantum Tapatio
Selfawerewolf
Ah yes Cloaca Torontonian.
PineappleLoopsBroether
Yeah, that's who I'm saying, Kawasaki Tamagotchi
coolusernameperson
Holy Shit!
vodkaho
Someone answered the call of the void...
nothingtolurkhere
skipweasel
Was that a Ford Pinto?
SomeDetroitGuy
Fun fact! Ford pintos actually had LOWER rates of car fires than the average car. The whole "Pintos are dangerous" thing came because an evening news channel rigged one with explosives and blew it up in a story claiming they blew up all the time.
Elnauriel
Do you have a source for that, because this article disagrees. It seems the Canadian made Pintos were safe, but the American made ones were built cheaper and were more prone to combusting on impact due to poorly attached gas tank. Greed, as usual, was the culprit.
https://auto.howstuffworks.com/car-driving-safety/auto-safety-testing/did-pintos-really-explode-in-the-1970s.htm
skipweasel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Pinto#Retrospective_safety_analysis
Elnauriel
Interesting. I wonder though if the statistics were distinquished between the Canadian made model vs. the American made model if the car would rate differently than just average. I feel like the safer Canadian made cars are buoying that statistic a bit.
witheredspoon
13andido
isetprettygirlsonfire
One of the most unsafe places to be isn't safe.
MadDucks
Goodness gracious, great balls of ... well, you know.
karenishra
...peanut butter.
EndlingGer
I drove into a burning ring of… whatever.
PineappleLoopsBroether
Devil drove down to Georgia, he was lookin fer a.... somethin somethin
warcat91
We didn't start the..... Well yes you did
nullbr
what they did and what you can prove are totally distinct things
XXXSpork
I cast fireball!
ps238principal
I thought they had to go 88 miles per hour for that to happen?
stoots24
88 miles per hour!!!
Turboslacker
HighSorcerer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS-tXEIgWBY
circlebreaker
*jaunty guitar medley*
Radtastical
The look of someone who shook hands with danger.
itdweeb
samwyze
Hans! Vere are your hands?
plutonium
Klaus*
f3n1x187
bro wtf! was the driver of the rig on a death wish or something?
psstuphere
Who would thing you aren't safe 1 meter from the freeway...
Type17
A UK statistic is that 20% of people who die on motorways (highways) are stopped on the shoulder at the time.
VictorDenn
It was a Department of Transport truck, so stopping by the side of the road is kind of what they do.
psstuphere
The title is "Nowhere is safe"...
FoxPesdassi
In broad daylight, with clear visibility, in perfectly safe driving conditions, with relatively slow traffic, and likely only for a few minutes?
derekjohn
What the hell was the parked vehicle carrying ?
reverendbonobo
Fire.
GeneralPrower
DOT truck, probably had an aux fuel tank.
rubypilgrim
how on earth did both drivers survive this?
GlenL
DUI on a suspended license https://news.yahoo.com/dump-truck-driver-sentenced-fiery-133804623.html
AyatollahBahloni
Good. Almost killed someone.
GeneralPrower
As in he already had a suspended license, and was operating the vehicle drunk anyway?
andaction
Drunk driving at 6:55 am.
Wardonk3y
Target fixation
Hekatombe
https://www.cleveland19.com/2022/05/12/dump-truck-odot-vehicle-catch-fire-after-explosion-that-resulted-summit-county-crash/
StormBurnX
Gotta love ohio. The url indicates the title of the article was originally 'vehicle catches fire' rather than 'vehicle explodes'.
theycallmemrpib
This was in Akron.😱 I live not too far away and never heard about it.
fxpi
This is on Green? Home of my favorite named road. East Turkey Foot Lake Road.
brokehackfourlane
how do you survive that?
Morlyndia
https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/news/crime/2022/11/09/dump-truck-driver-charged-i-77-crash-injured-odot-worker-green-ohio/69634662007/
HeadJamistan
The editor of that site needs to be fired. ".....the driver never appears to try and steer out of the accident and never appears to break."
cryborg
Did they ever report why the dump truck driver veered off the road? Apparently he survived, so at least he knows what happened.
tenaka30
Did a search for I-77 explosion and found another article from Nov 2022 (OP is May 2022) that said driver was under the influence, mentioning both drugs and alcohol.
NKato
AND a suspended license!
VodkaReindeer
The system works. The addict's license was suspended.
Wokerati
Looks like there was no attempt to slow down, maybe a medical episode?
cryborg
I found it. Not that innocent. https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/crime/5-years-prison-fiery-ovi-crash-odot-truck-i-77-green/95-b5277698-41c1-46ef-886c-5f899dad9b35
ShitsNGiggelz
Jasani
on drugs and a suspended license. That should be a monitor for life to make sure he never gets behind the wheel again. Amazing he didn't murder the ODOT driver.
psuedodre
Article says intoxicated driver
Totallyscrewedinaustin
And it also says driving while intoxicated is only apparently a misdemeanor in that state? That's some bullshit, too!
mikeatike
Fuckin typical
DVSBSTrD
Convenient how they only veered off the road when there was a vehicle in the breakdown lane. Fucking attempted murder.
cuddleskunk
It says he was charged with Vehicular Manslaughter but then that everyone survived. I am confused...did someone die in this crash or not?
Leithoa
Wrecks involving road crews get the charges escalated.
cuddleskunk
Okay...the story is reported by other sources as well that say "Aggravated Vehicular Assault" rather than "manslaughter".
mikeatike
Why did it explode movie-style?
OozingRabbit
Cause Micheal Bay is the one who filmed this.
NKato
Fuel tank ruptured, and touched something hot enough to ignite gasoline/diesel. A hard rear-end accident like that often causes ruptures to the fuel tank if it isn't designed properly.
SomeDetroitGuy
If electric cars were the standard and someone was trying to convince people to drive around on a tank with tens of gallons of explosives in it that ignite 40 times as often as EVs do, no one would ever even remotely consider allowing them.
Hyndisfox
Lithium battery fires are terrifying. I saw a Tesla that plowed into a tree at 60mph, and you could feel the heat of the fire from the opposite side of the freeway. The fire dept was trying their best to put out the fire.
Elnauriel
Ironically, it was one of the main (artificial) arguments against hydrogen powered cars, claiming they could explode, summoning visions of the Hindenburg. Of course, there were practical reasons why a hydrogen fuel culture is a tough sell, being mostly production and infrastructure. But the cognitive dissonance of opponents of hydrogen powered cars due to safety was impressive.
rowanww822000
I am very pro new transport technologies but I'm also a career firefighter and hydrogen scares the bejeesus out of me. Hydrogen has a flammable range about 5 times larger than propane, but the real kicker is the pressure it must be stored in. Propane cylinders store gas at less than 30 bar, scuba cylinders can store up to 200 bar and the carbon fibre wrapped cylinders I wear at work store up to 300 bar of breathing air. Hydrogen cylinders run a pressure of 700 bar. Gargantuan explosion risk.
Elnauriel
That's a valid safety concern, and something that would need to be addressed if a hydrogen economy really gears up. I appreciate the insight. =)
imgjim
Btw the hydrogen infrastructure is already being built. It's coming.
armagetz
The boat has sailed. It was only build in a small area and it’s winding down.
imgjim
No, it's really not. Source: buddy in oil and gas. No surprise that industry wants to promote something they can already do well with tweaks vs a great departure. You'll see.
Elnauriel
That's awesome! I love the concept of hydrogen powered vehicles. The notion that the exhaust is pure water makes the environmentalist in me so thrilled! =)
armagetz
…. You do realize that 98% of hydrogen manufacture is through a process of high carbon emissions (it’s not electrolysis) and that leaked H2 actually has a greenhouse effect 12 times greater than co2? It’s not the environmentalist warm and fuzzies you make it out to be. Honestly the most realistic answer (which I get is not ideal) is batteries for end use, and nuclear for power backbone.
Elnauriel
And yet significantly below methane and other hydrocarbons. There is some merit to a hydrogen economy, but it's not without room for improvement. And if battery and lithium mining have ethical issues, this may be a viable alternative. There's no perfect solution is what I'm saying, but hydrogen is better than the current status quo.
MapleSyrupMafia
This kind of shit pisses me off... I can forgive a small lack of attention where you barely move out of your lane, but not that. Completely moved to the shoulder and managed to hit the only fucking thing there.
Rusarules
This shit is always odd. Like really, the chances of that one guy hitting the other guy on the side of the road at that moment?
MAN9000
Possibly a medical emergency - stroke or seizure.
Dasnekones
Was there not a case of the two first cars in an entire state somehow managed collide in a traffic accident?
VindictiveBathToaster
I saw a video where a truck driver closed his eyes “for a second”, veered into the shoulder, and hit a car where people were changing a tire. No one died but the truck driver said his passenger front tire blew out making him veer off course while simultaneously forgetting that his company has dash cams that watch forward and the driver. Video doesn’t lie.
TheobromineAddict
Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Is that in the budget?
SomeOneHasBeenLookingForYou
drunk + target fixation?
clamdriver
Fuck that one specific vehicle.
SomeOneHasBeenLookingForYou
man woke up and said "imma ruin one motherfucker's day"
motherfluffer
One article says dump truck guy had a suspended license and driving under the influence of illegal substance
jinbee
Does the inside white line have rumble strips on it there? They usually do in Europe to wake you up / alert you that you've wandered off.
MapleSyrupMafia
We have those in Canada as well, Quebec at least.
MithridateEupator
Driving drunk on a suspended license too
FetteredJuvenescence
Also didn't show up for his arraignment
NKato
I noticed that drunk drivers, and inattentive drivers, tend to have higher incidences of "target fixation". If they see something unusual on the road, they tend to veer towards it.
AvidApostate
Drugs, not alcohol, according to the article. And at 6:55 AM. Ridiculous.
hfctom
https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/news/crime/2022/11/09/dump-truck-driver-charged-i-77-crash-injured-odot-worker-green-ohio/69634662007/
JackTorranceAtTheBall
Always upvote sauce.
joot78
Jesus christ - drunk driving a DUMP TRUCK.
iCanSeeTheFnords23
it's almost like making all our infrastructure based around cars is dangerous and dumb
stonecw
… because busses and trains never have accidents?
NKato
...especially when drivers are fewer on the roads, yes.
ChristopherHallett
Orders of magnitude fewer, yes.
stonecw
In number of accidents … maybe; in number of people harmed in any accident … doubtful. But, unless the number of people traveling by mass transit equals those in cars, we can’t really compare. I would suspect that if there were more buses and more trains, there would be more accidents involving those modes of transport. And with more folks packed in each one, the level of injury would be greater. Not to mention injuries caused inside those modes from other passengers.
ChristopherHallett
Okay so here's a little basic maths for you - if once a year a train crashes and 30 people die, is that better or worse than the 30,000 people a year dying in car crashes?
iCanSeeTheFnords23
not sure seeking "zero bad things happening ever" is ever going to be an achievable goal, so I prefer to stick to relative safety based on data we have on hand.
stonecw
Your statement implies that a car-less infrastructure would avoid any such incidents.
iCanSeeTheFnords23
that would be like if I said "swimming in the ocean during a hurricane is dangerous" and you came back with "oh ya? you think ZERO people ever drown in swimming pools??"
porcubot
During the early pandemic, when nobody wanted to go anywhere, I had to drive in to work to get something. The roads were absolutely abandoned, except for two cars. The only other two cars on the road. One managed to find the other and rear-end it. That is the day I realized that humans are non-viable as a species. We are simply obsessed with killing ourselves.
FluxSagrie
I remember during the pandemic going full swing, was on a nearly empty intersection. somehow they cut me off by running a red light. Literally no one in front of me or behind me in sight, but they waited til I was half way through an intersection for it to be the time they MUST turn. I had to slam on the breaks and blared my horn.
and somehow this brilliant person that ran a red light to cut off the only car in sight had the gall to roll down their window and call ME the asshole.
Sidewaysgts
God damn though do I miss covid traffic.
3andAHalfLivesAgo
I don’t. I had to drive a lot for work and cops stopped me near daily to ask for some stupid travel voucher, and every day I’d have to explain why I’m, yet again, an hour late. Then my manager kept saying “just leave at 5AM instead of 6” no fuck you. Let me stay home like everyone else, we don’t even have customers in the store. Everything is online. Why the fuck am I here.
FetteredJuvenescence
They need to get self driving vehicles working faster, and then ban humans from driving.
porcubot
Car-centric infrastructure is the problem. Self-driving vehicles will never become a reality. We need walkable cities and high-speed rail.
FetteredJuvenescence
We absolutely need those things, but self-driving cars will absolutely become a reality. They already work decently well, and the threshold at which we should start banning human drivers is the point where their accident record becomes even slightly better than the *average* human driver, which I assure you is a very, very low bar. Give it a decade or two and we'll absolutely have it working that well.
MapleSyrupMafia
Work decently well? Like Tesla driving into concrete construction barrier or going offroad because it doesn't see a fork in the road? Or the ones that cannot make up its mind after completing a stop and detecting all kinds of things on the sidewalk and never moving. Or the ones swerving into traffic. Or the one simply crashing into another car anyway after avoiding a rear-end because traffic stopped. Or like the Waymo cars creating a traffic jam in a dead-end street? We're far from it. >