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Midgarmerc
I'm convinced Putin is laughing this whole time. He won. He made democracy a joke and destabilized his greatest rival
mike5403
Trump is a symptom. The disease: the middle class has zero political power. If you don’t have a seat at the table, you’re on the menu.
LadyNetrex
mop82
Never was. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEczkhfLwqM
dogsmakemehigh
The fact he was a candidate in 2012 election should be stright on red light for all decent people in America
BooksMcGee
His supporters are still exist and haven't changed their minds, waiting for the next one
tarataqa
Imma steal dis
zenxan
The problem already isn’t Donald Trump—Trump is an escape from the real problem, which is the breakdown of shared ideological language...
zenxan
...due to the death of God. Ongoing problem. Solution: we need a new animism, capable of speaking in terms of science.
sicsided
Even if he doesn't win that problem is still fucking there. Funny enough, the Red states on the electoral map match up the with Covid map
DeimosBarret
Crazy how nature do that
Tonberryc
People keep saying this, but we've had 4 years of increasingly prominent propaganda "news" sources, Russian troll farms, deliberate (1/2)
Tonberryc
rezoning and consolidating of liberal voting districts, fearmongering, and out-right treason by the President to keep him in office. (2/2)
RedWingedBlackbirds
DownUnderDanny
beaubrent
Unless the Dems put new leaders in charge now, 2024 will be the end of the road.
eastend666
He said he loved the uneducated and clearly they love him back. What a disgrace.
AlliNWhenPlaying
Whole world is a bit baffled with how the election is going. A freaking paper weight should have 51% at this point.
whatisthisproductivityyouspeakof
Biden's over 51% currently, but unfortunately, that's not how US presidential elections work. But don't worry, most of the US is baffled too
GreenTeaParty
It’s almost like a capitalistic, dog eat dog, authoritarian, $ obsessed, sexist, racist, gun loving culture breeds bad people!?!!
DrIvoRobotnik
The electoral college is just affirmative action for conservatives
CoarseAndSalty
Not after Lafayette Square, not after It Is What It Is, Not after good people on both sides, The best health insurance plan you'll never see
PangolinBan
I'm not sure everybody understands the 'single' part of single issue voters.
SarlaccBait
Maybe if the Democrats get their heads out of their asses and actually put up a candidate that the people want it would be a landslide
soron145
Maybe in 4 years, we can have 2 candidates that aren't sexual predators.
YourMemeSucksHarderThanaDyson
I'm kinda of tired of people saying it shouldn't be this close, but I don't know what else you expect to get when the two choices are the /1
YourMemeSucksHarderThanaDyson
Worst possible candidates. I don't need to list every problem with Trump but even if you agree with Biden's policies, which kinda are /2
YourMemeSucksHarderThanaDyson
Definitely lacking and underperforming measures that will likely never come to pass the way they're invisioned, he ran a poor campaign /3
YourMemeSucksHarderThanaDyson
That relied mostly on TV ads and scripted TV interviews. I know like 3 people literally excited to vote for Biden and I live in WA. /4
YourMemeSucksHarderThanaDyson
So the fact that it looks like he may only barely squeaked out a victory isn't surprising to me.
GetHighWithTowlie
Biden isn't winning, Trump is losing. I'm tired of hearing these statements too-Biden is terrible, but won't be a national embarrassment
UhhhhhNick
Because the DNC keeps pushing shitty candidates. They don’t learn. There were options that were way better, younger, and they smothered them
FajitaPrinceofAllMexicans
Encouraging terrorism is also a big one.
dbo3akrowdy
I voted for Biden, but caging children has been happening since Obama.
wadatahmydamie
This is a lie.
Cilvaa
If anyone is rigging the ballots it's the GOP
Kelevra732
He likes his steaks WELL DONE... that should've been the end of it
HappyBucket
Well done is more than can be said for Trump though...
CrackerUmustBTrippin
He eats pizza with a....F ING FORK! ffs
StrykeBlayde
I eat pizza with a fork so that my fingers don't grease up my keyboard if I'm doing something. Perfectly acceptable :v
makesense
That's why Trump is a cult, not a President.
RickWilde
Part of me wants that to be a typo. Upvote either way.
D0ntMindMeImJustLurking
Clearly half the country dont agree.
LoudAngryJerk
And they're wrong.
humbook
not half. Biden is getting millions more votes, same as last election. in murica, land votes, not ppl
Jandegrote
I mean so far Biden has 72.6 mill and Trump 69 mill thats awfull close to 50/50 yeah half of the US stand behind a nazis supported nonce.
D0ntMindMeImJustLurking
Like pretty much every other country.
D0ntMindMeImJustLurking
To a certain degree
sinbinrugger
Trump is not America’s problem. Americans are
clubracer
We sorely need better education across America
Glormax
Yes, but getting rid of Rump is a start
Akinye
He is enabling the violent and uneducated to be so.
theangryjanitor
Its fox and Limbaugh. Seriously. It's their fault.
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theangryjanitor
Is that a Limbaugh quote?
Onlyforthiscomment
It just seems like you gotta lack some individual thought to not at All see it for what it is
YoureABlizzardMary
Don’t forget Facebook
biotechonista
I think the root cause is poor education. Not knowing logical fallacies when they hear them. Thinking having opinions = expertise.
imakeshit
Rupert Murdoch.
NonstopRampage
Oh, but if somebody ever wanted them silenced, they're the bad guy cause "free speech" is more important than the truth.
thatunpleasantfeeling
It's the people. Do not make them blameless in this. They could look to multiple sources. They could look at outside sources. They don't.
rowdypup
My family just echo chambers Hannity and Limbaugh and Carlson. They have their heels dug in, because they’ve been told to not trust anyone.
RedWingedBlackbirds
This. Fox and Scientology seem so similar in this: outside bad!
RelativeVelocity
Limbaugh is getting his karma. He won't be around much longer
TavisMcNamara
Right wing propaganda+ wildly defunded education+ racists.
MissSiesta
+greed
Whyiseverynametakenalready
Fox and limbaugh are just symptoms. No one forces people to listen to them. The cancer is the portion of Americans looking to consume that.
EllEzDee
No. They're a product of the cuntry they live in. It's America's fault. The hand-on-heart pledges of fealty to the flag of schoolchildren...
EllEzDee
This shit is as old as the cuntry itself. Americans need to wake the fuck up and make drastic change instead of clinging to a rag written by
EllEzDee
men of a bygone era whose hypocrisy and outrageous wealth make them near-equals to the piece of shit politicians of today.
HarryDresdenIsMySpiritAnimal
I daresay the dems bear some responsibility as well. They royally fucked up (i.e. rigged) the primaries last time.
kickmyballsrealhard
This this and this. The Fox News empire is a cancer to society.
Timmytwopups
The fox News thats owned by Disney? Who else does Disney own?
Teleomniscope
I can't believe how much backlash I get when making this point. Murdoch has done more damage to society than anyone else I can think of
theangryjanitor
Take a listen to Limbaughs show, he does these ridiculous skits punctuated with guitar riffs
cepacolusmaximus
No thanks
ActionJohnnie
So is Facebook
Harryteeters
Sorenchu
Is this a real person? Hyper realism has left me no knowing anything anymore. His face is... tiny
Sorenchu
Haha just looked up this weenie. Not real picture above. Comical tough!
MistaGavin
Emal
Never seen this man before but cant stop laughing at his face, it must be shopped
Harryteeters
johnny2hats
You can say it. Go ahead, say it
MrKnowItAll1903
People who annoy you
ace5762
Hope Limbaugh hurries up and dies from that terminal condition.
DonL9
He'll be canonized by the right for speaking nothing but the truth to protect our freedoms.
DontPUNishme
Wow. The Left is the loving and caring side?
Sheprador
I’m so sick of this bullshit argument. “If you’re so tolerant, why don’t you tolerate intolerance?” Fuck off.
RapCatTheRappingestCat
Are we loving and caring or socialist murderers? Which is it? Must make it hard for you guys to decide who to hit with your car right?
itsmurdernotmuckduck
I respectfully call shenanigans here. Personal accountability is to blame. Your vote is your choice. If you vote one way because 1/?
itsmurdernotmuckduck
A talking head tells you so, then you are to blame for the horrible outcome, not the talking head. I understand they also have 2/?
itsmurdernotmuckduck
a responsibility, but seriously, part of our societies problem is lack of personal accountability.
DarkBlueB
I fully agree with you. Actually I used to until I watched the The Social Dilemma. Even if you don’t have the usual FB, Twitter, Insta, pls
DarkBlueB
watch it (I have none of those since I quit Twitter last year). It’s a problem that no country can afford to ignore anymore.
TapiocaMartini
I don't disagree with you, however confirmation bias is a real thing. For a lot of people all of the information they get is propaganda. 1/2
ThatSonOfaBitch
You're not wrong, but many other sources share blame. Breitbart, OANN, Epoch Times. What they lack in outreach they make it up in crazy.
Saxytimes
True but fox has the most convincing package and is the number one most watched news source
DarkBlueB
Facebook
storebrandproductmascot
True, but none of them would exist without the fantasy universe groundwork laid by Fox and Limbaugh.
sylvnal
I feel like Fox is the gateway drug to those other things, at least for Boomers.
mtloech
1/ Can confirm my MIL never let my husband even play with a watergun as a child, after Parkland she was all for teachers with guns. She was
mtloech
2/ nurse her whole life, preached to me about getting a flu shot every year. Now she's all for herd immunity, thanks to Faux News. Boomers.
serpentinebaboo
Yep. They move there when Fox won’t lie to them enough anymore and they need full tin-foil bar level crazy.
PoliticalWanderer
1) It also shouldn't be this close when one candidate is ahead of the other by more than 3.5 million votes. It's quite likely that Biden
OdinYggd
A 4 million vote margin is well within the possibilities of fraud.
clubracer
lulz this guy
DamnedAustin
You're a goddamned idiot.
PoliticalWanderer
2) will win the popular votes by 4 million or more, and barely squeeze out a victory. The system is broken. The Electoral College must go.
crateo
that's a 3% difference. It is almost nothing.
DamnedAustin
Name another contest where you can lose by 3% and still be declared the unequivocal winner.
runefjord2
3% is a whole lot of american votes, over 3 million to be more precise, why should they be ignored?
letsbuttchug
If you get rid of the electoral college then every election is just going to be decided by a few cities
PoliticalWanderer
1) Sorry, but that’s a myth. The big cities simply don’t have anywhere near the population to actually do that. If you don’t believe me,
PoliticalWanderer
2) then do the math for yourself. NYC has about 8.5 million people, LA about 4, Chicago 2.7. After that the size of US cities falls hard.
PoliticalWanderer
3) By the time you’re at 10th place you’re barely above 1mil. This election is going to see somewhere around 140 million votes cast.
PoliticalWanderer
4) Even if everyone in those was registered, did vote, and all of them voted for the same person (which obviously doesn’t happen) it still
DamnedAustin
Cities don't vote. People do. The person with the most people voting for them should win.
GrandProtectorDark
Instead of evey election being decided by a few low pop states? If you are so worried about a small number deciding the election. 1/
GrandProtectorDark
2/ you really should bw against the current election setup as a whole.
PoliticalWanderer
1) I was curious so I did the math for you. If the 30 most populous cities in the USA made every resident eligible to vote, registered, and
PoliticalWanderer
2) every single one them voted AND they all voted the same way you'd have: approximately 38.668 million votes. Total votes for Biden so far
PoliticalWanderer
3) is 74.4 million. Total for Trump: 70.2 mil. But maybe if get a few more cities we'll get there. If you did the same for the op 50 cities
PoliticalWanderer
4) you'd get a total of 47.729 million votes. The top 100? 61.656. (All figures include rounding, so they are all approximations.)
AgentPothead
Bad people will only be good when forced to be. They won't do it out of the goodness of their hearts. They don't have any.
NonstopRampage
I've always said this. You can trust bad people to be bad. Just set boundaries and point them in a constructive direction instead.
Murmull
And religion is what you need to get a good person to do bad things.
yourfriendlyneighbourhoodtotoro
And they are so completely sure they’ll be rewarded for their horrible actions.
Bojangles87
This community is self righteous. My goodness.
sonofcyrus138
Right wing media is straight up propaganda.
BeeCups
apparently not.
interesseret
I gotta say lads, I'm very proud that Americans are finally starting to accept that fact. 5 years ago you would be downvoted to hell 1/
interesseret
If you pointed out that American media was filled with propaganda. Us Europeans are quite happy your eyes are opened now. You rock! 2/2
SephReed
As one of the Americans who's known for a couple decades... it's just fucking painful. Both sides are dumb as fuck tbh. One lacks education
MeatSquatthrust
Left and right are
montee
Woah, centralist thought on imgur. You gonna get downvotes. Me too probably.
LaysC
Watch, The Loudest Voice
laufox
literally hate speech and conspiracy "but whatabout-isms" 24/7
DrShrinker
"The News" is entertainment television. It not there to inform, it's there to make money. its not just right wing.
macdeezy
Every news station has an agenda
YourMemeSucksHarderThanaDyson
To be fair so is corporate democrat media like MSNBC and CNN some times. All the major networks invite former and current CIA pundits
andthenthat
Unfortunately, most media is propaganda. Instead, be educated enough to see through it and construct a narrative from multiple sources.
StartingOverAgainAndAgain
Became clearer than ever...
somt
All media is propaganda ... they stopped being unbiased reports of facts and important events many decades ago.
kerms
There's a difference between biased reporting and outright fabrication. The latter of which is a hallmark of right wing media.
tobiassolem
This. Politics is pure propaganda. People just think "its the other guys who are deluded".
Ezzybells
Many Dems are against going on Fox, yet the majority of Americans get their news from Fox. If Dems don't go on it, they will only get 1 side
skellington01
Majority?
Ezzybells
I heard it ages ago, I guess it's just majority GOP now: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/04/08/five-facts-about-fox-news/
Ezzybells
It was great having Mayor Pete on Fox the last 2 weeks as he really destroyed their talking points.
Skywalker2416
What, Fox? All news media is. Especially CNN/ MSNBC
atrielienz
Funny that skywalker is your name but you belong on the senate.
Rawmeat95
I don't know about especially, they're all equally creating propaganda. Don't get news from pundits it's made easy to digest for a reason
IrrelativeTheory
I like PBS Newshour and NPR. They seem pretty rooted and impartial.
letsbuttchug
If you believe cnn is not as equally bad as fox is, then you are no better than the people that take fox’s word as gospel
faradaywage
While nowhere near the levels of sickening lies and delusion of fox, the left-leaning cnn is designed for progressives, yes.
UpvoteDarkSouls
Deff have to be careful with most big media outlets. Always get both sides of the story. There are more center / low bias outlets
adrian678
no, all news is not. MSNBC is like the left version of Fox while CNN is mostly neutral with a left til. You can try Reuters, The Guardian,
PedalPizza
Really good analysis of bias by source - https://mediabiasfactcheck.com
miridan
https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-ratings CNN is not neutral though. The Hill can be very good.
adrian678
Alright, I'll check out The Hill and BBC more often
skellington01
As a leftist, no. While CNN is not as bad & disconnected from reality as Fox, they are on the verge. I don’t trust them. If you compare to
skellington01
nytimes - these guys are JOURNALISTS. Left leaning, but still reporters, who report reality.
adrian678
and many other news media to see how they differ. When i compared Fox News to others, Fox news consistently downplayed or removed stories
adrian678
that made Trump look bad. For example, when Trump had gone to France and skipped the join WWI memorial because it was raining, multiple news
adrian678
agencies bashed him for it while Fox didn't mention him cancelling it, and kept their main story as 'Trump goes to commemorate WWI"
reload2456
AP and Reuters are generally where I go. Most "news" outlets get their facts from AP before twisting them anyway.
Imakethingsweird
As a european, I cant wrap my head around how someone could believe those poorly constructed lies...I mean, you have basic education, right?
drunkill
they do not
NoDakGirl
My city education compared to my husband's rural education is absolutely laughable... The differences in core classes even are insane.
mmontour
Silverwingedfluff
"Basic Education" and actually learning from it are two very different things.
Silverwingedfluff
I know an individual who has multiple degrees and a doctorate and believes FOX over anything else.
keyonne
No sadly. The right has also spent the last 10 years defunding schools.
reffotsirk666
Sorenchu
I mean.. in some regions we do, but sadly many do not. We lack internal investment. Instead our taxes feed corporations and rich individuals
malbec
They are proud to be “simple god fearing Amerikkkans”
Zyrixion
No, we don't. By design, actually, republican states are very largely the lowest scoring in education in the country, again by design.
Zyrixion
And they've done nothing but destroy education in general in this country for 50 years, because it suits their election chances and end goal
lemmonjello
Lol oh no not at all
neutronfish
When American schools try to teach critical thinking skills, the parents scream that it’s communist indoctrination by Marxist radicals.
GeorgiaGrits
I tried to teach critical thinking for 20 years in college. Far too many were uninterested in doing more than just going with the flow.
MillerLitesaber
It’s the power of hearing what you WANT to hear. I think they see all the nonsense, but the underlying message of biden=communism is heard
Obietrice
You'd think...
RisingPhoenix92
We do but one of the guys I graduated high school with is going off on how Trump is winning Michigan and it's fake news Biden has the votes
Wetgoat
Basic what?
Ransbear
We do, but neither kid or parents give a fuck about it.
gaiidraws2
About that...
twfx
Basic is the key word here
Thatknifeguy
Tons of states have skewed education. Some textbooks in the south actually say “slavery helped African Americans immigrate to the US.”
AnthonyGe
It's not all about believing those lies though. Some of my family members don't buy any of that stuff, and think Trump is an absolute (1/2)
AnthonyGe
moron, but things like Obamacare are enough to make them never vote Democrat.
ScrapCode
The education system is funded by local property taxes so if you live in a low income area you get low funded schools poor = uneducated
ScrapCode
it's a rigged system
NopeNahNuhUh
NopeNah..
The0netrueBob
Nope.
theangryjanitor
Hahaha. Oh, now I'm sad .
jesting
Not if they can help it!
WeAllLiveInAUserSubmarine
Ah.
OtherErinFromTheOffice
Isolated people who live in a bubble of selfishness and arrogance. Basically our rural areas are mostly red, urban areas mostly blue. I don
whatstheworstthatcanhappen
Selfishness and arogance in rural areas...youre right because all the farmers and ranchers keep all the corn/wheat/animals they raise. Gtfoh
OtherErinFromTheOffice
't like how cut and dry that sounds, but it is 100% what the results have shown.
jwillr86
My dad is always yelling about a how the coastal Elites run everything and it's hard to explain there's just more educated people there
TendsToAgree
I can't believe that there isn't laws against spreading lies
LarkinM87
Funny. Some American's want evolution and science removed and replaced with religion (christianity, their version) studies.
Reigekiz
HAHAHA... DAMN. I rather my third world country's teacher saying that he wasn't trying to make anybody atheist, but we're suppoused to know.
shadow351
My high school required the biology teacher to do a creationism lesson, and allowed any student to sit out the evolution lesson if wanted
sylvnal
I'm triggered.
LarkinM87
Kind of the point. Religion over science. I would have been that asshole I d demanding creation classes from other religions. Then caused
LarkinM87
National coverage over religious discrimination.
LarkinM87
Irony is, I feel legitimate religious studies (from a non biased point of view on all religions) would lead a lot of people away from
LarkinM87
Religion. Some would find a new one others might become atheist.
BigBadBagelBite
Doubtful. Cool aid is potent down here
ServerMonkeyKing
truth is an inoculation against ignorance.
Blud4BludGod
Probably. That's not the kind of studies that want to put into curriculums, though.
Sansdurlannite
They want "religious studies" like when they're in church, not actual studying.
Tumescentpie
That is why it isn't legitimate religious studies they are pushing for. They are pushing for indoctrination not education.
massaka123
The election is ongoing but America already lost.
obrover19413000
You are foolish in your belief...
MyVerySmarterUserName
MURICAAAAA FUCK YEAH!!! MURICAAA GREATEST COUNTRY OF THE FACE OF THE PLANET!!!!!!MURICAAAAAAAAA.. *head explodes*
leechdemon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrhic_victory
Superchief86
Reading some tweets from his supporters you realise just how badly he's fucked them up. They are scared shitless of "the radical left".
IainG101
They were before; now they are just less afraid to show their true colours.
mrxian
America lost a long time ago.
ReubenForScuba
This is unproductive. If Biden wins it might not be perfect but it means activism and pushing our country to do better still matters.
Mimsey
People keep forgetting that every intelligence agency, Bob Mueller, and the Senate Intel Committee all confirmed russian attacks in 2016. /1
Mimsey
They all also confirmed that russia attacked the 2018 midterms and told us they would attack the 2020 elections. /2
Mimsey
And the GOP has blocked every single election security bill in that time. Every single vulnerability from 2016 is still in play. /3
Mimsey
Job 1 if Biden does win now is to secure our elections, because this could all very well be russian meddling, not real support for trump. /4
JamJarre
It isn't close in terms of the popular vote, which is what you need to look at for this kind of criticism i think
PreciousPotato
It is way too close for comfort, though.
CaptainAsshat
It is. Way too close compared to what it should be. It should be 75% "not Trump" at least.
Iinajoki360
55% of white women voted Trump. Got this from an antiracism-themed instagram page so no idea where the actual number is from. If real, eesh
atrielienz
That was true in the 2016 election. We don't know yet what the statistics are for this one.
Iinajoki360
That's some sexy information
parabolic000
I know and am family with Trump voters. They're kind, friendly people...but they hate abortion and love tax cuts, and no matter what I --
parabolic000
might say, no matter how I, a mixed-race gay ACA user might say "You're voting against me," they don't care. It's a cult but it betrays --
parabolic000
the core of selfish America: If we can blame it on the Black and brown, if it make me feel self-righteous, I'll go for it.
Mandarinduckmama
This group believes Trump's lies. Trump says, "I'm saving medicare," and cuts 25 B from it. They don't read, they just believe.
gergpeabs
no, there are many of us conservatives that know trump is a pos however what choice is there? i will never vote for higher taxes on anyone!
SomethingThatCapturesMyIdentity
How you act towards those you disagree with is more telling about you character, and Trumpers have shown that many times over.
parabolic000
I love and wish them well, but I can't engage with them anymore. I've relatives calling Dr. Fauci a fascist and I'm like ???
Deadmanwalkn
Abortion is always the big one for die hard republicans, but Dems are responsible for lowering abortion rates, it stays consistent w/ repubs
parabolic000
Yeah, I know that, but the idea that women have bodily autonomy is just anathema to a large contingent of evangelical idiots.
TuckerCarlsonWarnedYouTheredBeGirlsLikeMe
If they don't care who gets stomped on to further their personal agendas they aren't kind or friendly people.
parabolic000
My uncles would jump in front of a bullet for me. That's kind enough in my book. Their political views are, well, garbage, and their --
parabolic000
empathy for people that they don't know is stunted...but that's the rub, innit? People believe in the opposition and are still -human-.
DillPixels
Same situation. My family is loving and generous but typical boomers raised to think Republican = Christian and that’s what you vote.
xSquireRamza9
No, they're not kind and friendly people. Fuck them and fuck you for still associating with them. I've cut every tie to every Trump supporte
clubracer
Whoa, buddy, calm down
Lcat84
And you're part of the problem why people still voted for trump, because of angry people like you.
parabolic000
Yeah, sorry, but they are nice, sympathetic, and kind people. I am as anti-Trump as anyone but demonizing people makes us as bad as them.
johneventually1
There's an argument that says we shouldn't tolerate intolerance. We view this group as fascists and even Nazis. Why should we play nice?
parabolic000
Because thinking "This dude is good for my taxes and keeps America the way I remember it" isn't
RumbleNtheJungle
Because it’s not a group of fascists and nazis. No more than dems are communists that want to “take our freedoms” its a diverse country with
parabolic000
I agree but it's hard when it's your family. People who you remember at 9 years old, people who were there for you when you needed them...
atrielienz
But Trump's tax cuts will end up raising their taxes significantly over the next two years.
clubracer
My taxes got raised
parabolic000
Yes, but that's a logical POV. Like, the family I have that goes Trump is blue collar...but the very idea of taking money to help others --
parabolic000
is offensive to some of my relatives. Sure, they also say the same about money used for war, but it's telling that they rail against one.
ld9821
What confuses me is they pay way way way more in taxes for corporate welfare and farm subsidies than any social programs.
Scaramucci
And they'll blame Biden for it.
relsky
Regardless of presidential results, the senate and house may still go straight R. Which makes this all pretty pointless.
bobtheaxolotl
The house is likely to stay blue. The senate will be red. There's a lot of damage Joe can undo just by being elected, though.
bobtheaxolotl
He can clean out every corrupt appointee, and nullify every executive order, on day one. And he can issue executive orders of his own.
bobtheaxolotl
The power of the presidency has been massively expanded over the years, which is mostly bad, but it'll at least let Biden get some work done
bobtheaxolotl
even without cooperation from republicans.
RDX2273
Ajit Pai. I know 2017 seems like a lifetime ago now, but this twatcanoe can be replaced if Trump loses.
Scaramucci
As terrible as Shit Pie is, there are people like Stephen Miller and William Barr that need to go sooner.
CyranoDeBurlapSack
House is D and senate is leaning R by one seat but is not decided.
YourMemeSucksHarderThanaDyson
And won't be for some time. I really hope Georgians find a way to get their shit together for the runoff and make up for not voting out /1
YourMemeSucksHarderThanaDyson
That walking pile of trash Perdue
Glormax
Which means more fucking turtle. The fact that he wasn't voted out simultaneously infuriates and disheartens me.
yesiamclutz
This offends me. I like turtles - comparing Moscow Mitch feels cruel and unfair to turtles
Glormax
I do apologize to turtles. I live turtles. I just wish that asshat didn't look so much like them.
yesiamclutz
He does look freakishly like one its true.
Mimsey
House is still Dem and Senate may only go 50 R. None of it is pointless. It's fucking HUGE that all they'll be able to do is obstruct. /1
Hezaethox
One of those Rs that was elected is dead, so technically 49
Mimsey
Compare Obama's final years to trump's early years. We KNOW how much more damage they can do with all branches. /2
Zyrixion
50/50 in the senate is still technically a majority for the party with executive control, since VP breaks ties.
LuminoZero
Yeah, but the 50R is actually 48D, because it's assuming the last GA race goes to a runoff, which it could.
Semiflaccid
It doesnt tho. Biden can, at a minimum, put qualified people back in place to properly run the gov
TheThirstyMoose
This is the big take away that folks seem to be missing. The appointment of actual qualified people to positions is a huge win
Pauly79
Completely agree
AnyUsernameWillDoForMe
Some positions require senate ratification
dyxj
The Senate can reject, but that's an active decision they'd have to defend. Their modus operandi is to "not accept". For many roles that >
firstnamebunchonumbers
Then we will have to vote them out in 2022. Engage those around you to pay attention to politics. Many trumpets are ignorant fools who hate/
pegasuschick
I grew up in hard right PA, and now live in liberal Northern VA. What's shocking to me is how little avg liberals know about the right...
clubracer
This
pegasuschick
I have had to take the air out of "Trump isn't America" arguments for the past 6 years. Maybe now my fellow libs will get it.
Glormax
He's America alright. And America is diseased.
RelativeVelocity
Yes, I was a Trump supporter for awhile unfortunately. But it gave me a perspective to use that always blues don't have to bring others over
RelativeVelocity
To the blue side. I had 18 converts since my wake up. But it's because I know how they think and could dispel the hard "truths" they believe
poppygosh
Would love more insight here if you’re willing to share
RelativeVelocity
I responded in another comment here
DaughterOfADomme
Seriously. Elaborate. The World Needs you.
RelativeVelocity
I've been trying to put together my procedure in the form of a post, it's a lot to type out.
RelativeVelocity
So, basically, you don't come as a representative of the left, no. You focus interview style on the person, always calm, always respectfully
RelativeVelocity
You ask them questions, and keep asking why you believe this or that, what about this appeals to you, etc. Dog dig dig until you find root
CoarseAndSalty
It's unthinkable to us. We don't understand how people with no objective morality can work a job or string words together.
allthenamesaregone
Even Biden winning doesn't make 60 million people who voted for an objectively *terrible* person disappear. America has serious issues.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
Imagine if your house votes 51% against fascism. Still means you live with 49% fascists.
Glormax
Especially since the Senate will likely remain Republican. Biden may attempt sweeping changes, but the turtle will stop him.
ChefLes
You guys need to start sitting down with the people who vote opposite you and start having an adult discussion.
gurlsnuggler
They ran a propaganda campaign with one message, “trump supporters won’t listen”. They will, they do.
whitebbwolf
discussing things with fascists is like wrestling a pig in mud. You end up smothered in their shit & the realisation that the pig enjoys it.
GriffinMann41
It's hard to hold an adult discussion against people I know who legitimately think some of my friends and family are less than people. 1/
GriffinMann41
Who have in the past *directly said* the world would be better off without LGBT folk. How do I debate against someone who wants people 2/
GriffinMann41
I know to be dead because of something they can't change? 3/3
MissSiesta
Yeah. I often feel this is the case with right wingers. They have very little empathy for people they're not super close to. Baffles me.
LtKifKroker
I've tried, but they use illegitimate facts to support themselves and when you prove they're wrong, they just shrug and say thats how it is.
NonstopRampage
Okay but every time we DIDN'T FULLY AGREE with them they shat themselves. How the fuck do you debate that?
saetyl
I was told 1 facts didn't matter if they didn't feel true, 2 ppl like me are destroying everything, 3 covid is a scam, 4 economy > death...
whyWontKeiraKnightleyReturnMyPhoneCalls
Tried it. Was told my opinion doesn’t matter bc I’m not a citizen and I should get my info from someplace other than “MSLSD” ?
whyWontKeiraKnightleyReturnMyPhoneCalls
You can’t reason with someone still on the trump train this late in the game. They drank the koolaid.
captfloggin
It’s not that easy when they actually believe the shit in their head.
racerxonclar
I was told I'm believing Satan's lie because I look at imperical fact instead of ignoring it for what the Bible says.
ChibiYui
I agree with you, but empirical with an e.
SilentZed
I've tried, and will continue to try day after day, regardless of who wins. I've managed some, but the grand majority of attempts 1)
SilentZed
are met with the same kind of tactics that have been displayed by the President for the last 4 years. Cheap debate tactics that they 2)
SilentZed
merely parrot without actually understanding what they're doing - only that by doing them they don't have to give ground on being "right" 3)
SilentZed
even if you try to explain to them you're not trying to win against the, but rather bridge understanding between us. Please don't think 4)
SilentZed
that some of us haven't tried or keep trying.
diesel01
You can have a calm reasoned discussion between people of differing views. You can’t have a reasonable discussion with fanatics.
scSuperVillain
I’ve tried repeatedly. If someone, for instance, actually laughs and ridicules you when you bring up climate change then what? And yes -
scSuperVillain
I do present facts but they have their own ‘facts’ which are rabid right wing conspiracies. Talking doesn’t work when the right is nuts.
Frostbreaker1
No. There is no talking to ppl who idolize Trump and the ideology he has promoted. They're zealots with faith. You cant bring them back
saganworshipper
That's like trying to convince a believer in God to not believe in God.
leechdemon
We've tried, believe me, we've tried. I used to talk to my parents twice a week; now it's once every other month. I've straight-up told...
leechdemon
...my dad, "you can think what you want, but if you're going to spout racist shit, I'm not going to let your grandson hear it". He said...
leechdemon
...he understood where I was coming from, but 2 days later, same shit. Being a Trump supporter > being a grandfather, I guess. Fucking sad.
rowdypup
You nailed it. They are Trump supporters before anything. I’ve experienced that first hand. They won’t have a discussion, they just scream.
leechdemon
My mom: "Well, we can still agree to disagree, right?" Not about killing unarmed people, or children assassinating political rivals, no.
burlyqlady
How do you have an adult conversation with someone that doesn't believe in SCIENCE!?
alanasaurus
Tried that, he went to hunters laptop and pizza gate and trump being a good Christian man, so that is a cult
roar2O
okay cool I’ll send out a meeting invite.
vurcease
Heh. This comment juxtaposed in a sea of heartfelt frustration gave me the giggle I needed. Thanks, neighbor.
Glormax
You can't have a rational conversation with someone in a cult. Deprogramming requires they listen and Trumpers just wave their/1
Glormax
Hands dismissively when you present them with the facts about Rump. They call Fake News or just don't listen./2
LovingGuin
I had an adult discussion with my dad because he couldn’t understand why women would be mad about a new female Supreme Court Justice
StormBurnX
I wish my dad was capable of having an adult discussion
LovingGuin
It was a rare moment. We very often disagree about politics and can’t have a rational conversation
BlancheTuttle
Adult discussions start with facts and trump supporters ignore them so it's not really possible.
rowanblaze
Adult discussion depends on having a shared reality. Trumpers have been spoon fed propaganda that safety nets every advanced country (1/ )
rowanblaze
is Communism, that they can bootstrap themselves to wealth with unregulated Capitalism, and any failure to do so is moral weakness. (2/2)
rowanblaze
And that brown people are simultaneously freeloading on their taxes and taking their jobs. Which is, of course, untrue. (3/2)
whitebbwolf
hard when the other side acts like screaming toddlers after seeing POTUS work that successfully
StormBurnX
What we need is for the religious nuts and trumpers to join the adult conversation the rest of us are already having.
paulbrianrowe101
Wow! You have completely proven your point.
attofreak
Americans have been doing that for a while. Even Obama was repeatedly stressing on the importance of working together.
DukePhelan
And how did that work out for him? Did the republicans meet him half way? No, they dug in deeper, fuck these dishonest and immoral people.
300Hectares1TankofKerosene
They don’t listen. You don’t understand. It’s seriously a cult.
ScrotusFezziwig
There is no agreement of facts on which to base a conversation, the GOP has created an alternate reality for their voters
snuffcarcass
I got told that trump is a genius bc he’s a billionaire, that we don’t need allies, and that the environment is “stupid”
Mombeater
Murder would be much more productive and effective
Kelrik
Oh boy, do we try. Ever attempt an "adult" conversation with people who insist on living at the peak of a dunning-kruger graph?
ghostinthesnow
Having an adult conversation with those people is literally impossible
BlandSnow
Hahaha an adult conversation? That's cute
TheUnstoppableWampas
I'd recommend you try one of those conversations yourself with a trumper. You'll see for yourself why it's a waste of time and effort.
Tulayne
Have tried so many times. When you make a valid point, they just change the subject so you're caught in an endless cycle of debunking insane
Tulayne
Beliefs. So many people are just unwilling to be reasoned with. They just want to fight.
burlyqlady
Exactly, it's heartbreaking when it's someone you care about.
CGWN
Go to the comments on any RealClearPolitics Opinion article and you'll understand that many, many people in the US are beyond saving.
xenocrisis0153
Hell, even local news articles are full of sludge in the comment section.
Takethejump
Hard to do when the people opposite are delusional, ignorant, and violent, though. I've tried, it ends in yelling.
QuincyJazz
70 million people are all delusional. I can't talk to them
QAFoundYourBug
I have tried, there is no talking to conspiracy theorists... It doesn't work.
MissSiesta
Yes, but this also requires the other side to be open. Racists and evangelists aren't really known for that...
40ozinmylapandimfreezinmyjunk
My uncle straight up said, "they don't even know why they're protesting" when he was bashing the BLM. No getting thru, no changing minds :(
xenocrisis0153
I wrote a 3 paragraph reply to an older white female veteran friend, including references, on why Trump is racist. Her reply "bullshit".
korrasis
and I quote "I won't believe any liberal bullshit media, you can quote reuters, harvard, or any other stupid bullshit liberal liars. 1/?
korrasis
I will only believe the media that tells the fucking truth like Fox news. They are the only ones that have proven their integrity." 2/3
korrasis
how in the fuck can you fight that.
amglasgow
I'm not having an adult discussion with people who act like petulant children.
Ventorath
It doesn't work. I hear Republicans spouting off blatant misinformation and correct them, which they generally at least let me do >>
Ventorath
>> without getting mad about it, but then they just ignore it and I'll hear them spouting the same BS misinformation a couple minutes later.
flapperfemmefatale
I sincerely believe all Trump supporters are lost causes
ThunderStrike2021
I try, it’s fucking crazy. It’s like trying to talk with a hardcore flatearther, they’re immune to all reason, logic and evidence.
ballsoutflyer
I tried at least a few times. In return I received a bunch of sass and insults. One guy even accused me of trying to censor him. *shrug*
Evilbeavers
Tried. Doesn't work. I've been told they don't care who wins or how as long as it's not a democrat.
Idoitallforthecookies
Easier said than done
Gustave13
a large chunk of them, you just can't talk to them
CouchCarrot
Neither side is willing to listen to the other.
Evergrey
I tried. I got dumped for not instantly believing a conspiracy theory and being outraged about it. Now I'm so heartbroken.
janeQdoe
Time to find a sane, reasonable, and intelligent date! Eh, where do we go for that again...
tarataqa
If they believe in conspiracy theories, then you DODGED A BULLET there.
IUseThisToFavoriteAssnTitties
You feel heartbroken right now, but it’s probably better it happens now rather than when you’re even deeper into the relationship
IveGotRedOnMe
Is that sarcasm? Surely you're not THAT broken up about a deranged cultist leaving you. Right?
YpsilantiRomani
My girlfriend of 14 yrs started believing this crap like 2 yrs ago. It is killing me, she has no friends, no job, & almost no family.
YpsilantiRomani
Idk what to do
katalavenoligoellenika
Look, mate, we've tried, ok? At least some of us have tried. But when the environment is this toxic, the facts are "fake news", the fear
katalavenoligoellenika
is rampant, the rhetoric is inflammatory, the message is "cry more, libs", it *just doesn't work*. How can you have an adult discussion
katalavenoligoellenika
when the person you're talking to doesn't "believe" in science? When they can't admit to themselves the logical mismatch of their beliefs?
atrielienz
Yeah. We tried that. I got told I was a sheep, and that I should get off the plantation.
LoudBirb
Ooo, that's way more interesting than the "all democrats are stupid because they just want to raise taxes" one that I got.
ChocolateCookieAndFudge
To be fair, sheep have no business on a plantation.
Surisuule
I was told I was an idiot and Biden was evil. Also that COVID 19 was a conspiracy to allow govs worldwide to get more control.
Surisuule
Governments can’t agree on a basic tax system, but they can fake a virus to see if people will be complicit in wearing masks... ok buddy.
DingYourDong
Wow you tried once and gave up? Cool, cool...
atrielienz
Lol. Account less than a year old? Troll.
DingYourDong
Oh the imgur requires you have an account for x amount of time to have an opinion? I must have missed that in the terms, how long exactly?
atrielienz
Lol. Once. Sure. Sure thing buddy.
DingYourDong
Yeah based on your comments you REALLY try. No wonder you libs need participation trophies, everything bring soooo hard. Smh
cheeseguy3412
Most are in a place where facts *do not matter* - you can show them absolute proof, they won't care. 1/2
cheeseguy3412
After WWII was won, there were STILL individuals that wanted to be "Good Germans" and continue the killing. Similar mindset. 2/2
thisismysociallife
the problem is both sides are filled with children and therefore make it near impossible to have a grown up debate
ProjectKurtz
Life of a centrist right here. Any disagreement with my dad (anti-mask qanon believer) or sister (same degree as dad in the other way) /1
ProjectKurtz
Invokes them just yelling or screaming over you until you give up. /2
whitebbwolf
I m having trouble seeing that. Most tantrumkid behaviour I ve seen comes from 1 particular side of the "discussion" &its not the wordy side
MaxeMan5126
I swear, every time I've fact checked a Trump supporter I've been personally attacked. Instead of providing facts or details I get insulted.
whitebbwolf
managed to shut 1 QAnon up after stating official Fox policy in court winning on the basis that every1 knows Tucker Carlson cant be trusted
AgentPothead
It won't work man. Logic only works with a logical being. These people believe in sky fairies and consistently vote against own interests.
tpgreyknight
You should learn more about rhetoric if you think that being "logically correct" by itself will win any battles. There's a lot more to it.
burlyqlady
Why are you assuming we haven't? I live with a Trump supporter. His arguments are not based in fact, he's misinformed and parrots what he
burlyqlady
Heard on Fox news. Try asking them what the difference between socialism or communism is, they have no idea what they're even saying
burlyqlady
They just repeat the same phrases Trump says, it's like talking to a recording. If not that, they get mad and scream fake news! Radical left
burlyqlady
It's brainwashing, it's a cult. I try to talk to him every day, it's fruitless but I try. It's heartbreaking.
burlyqlady
On the other hand, another, older Trump supporter I know has some good, but misinformed points about foreign policy, the military, economy
NotAgainRichard
The people who vote opposite me want to straight up murder me and my LGBT friends. I cant have an 'adult discussion' with that.
grimwyrd
No shit! I am a progressive liberal, but I understand the other side. Instead of demonizing them, we need to communicate and compromise.
RumbleNtheJungle
This. We are huge diverse country plus running a multi trillion dollar country. I don’t see how you can not expect different view points.
RumbleNtheJungle
There’s a lot more to it than race and abortion.
hygroovy
My whole life has been watching the left compromise, and the right demand more, and the left compromise... and well, here we are.
grimwyrd
I've been a registered Dem since 1986. The problem now (thanks to media) is that many on each side don't even understand the other side.
hygroovy
I totally understand the frustration, the desire for change in things that aren't working. I don't understand how THIS is the solution.
DreadCarcass
My parents an inlaws are both insane trumpers. Idk how theyre handling this result but i dont imagine a discussion is gonna happen soon
ChefLes
That's the tough part. Learning how to make people engage. What you guys are trying just isn't working and it's destroying your country
itsjustplaid
Learning how to make people engage in a CIVIL manner. Hard to be civil when you're blind, panicking and/or frothing at the mouth.
DreadCarcass
Speaking solely of my own family theres no discussion to be had. To avoid a fight (or screaming match) we just dont talk politics
DreadCarcass
I broke my wifes glass by pointing out that her mom while polite about it is a racist. I was told i dont get to have serious convos with her
mydogisbetterthanyourdog
Sorry man. My parents are the same and I’m tired of people saying to engage. Not wanting racist people around my kids is valid
ChefLes
That's sad to hear.
Glormax
I am open to suggestions if you have some, but I honestly don't know how to reach a Trumper.
FuzzyBear
through their kids, educate the next generation, they will listen and learn in life, older ones much harder as they set in stone usually
FuzzyBear
make it common and good to have political discussions that dont end up in a shouting match or not talked about.
SilentZed
Forcing engagement often in times makes people NOT want to engage. I've tried direct, indirect, passive, and more assertive ways all of 1)
SilentZed
which have met with similar results because the assumed endgoal is that I want them to change their mind rather than just to open 2)
SilentZed
up about their beliefs and why in trying to establish common ground. But when even given basic questions, much of the time they don't 3)
ace5762
I tried that for FOUR YEARS. That doesn't fucking work. All of their talking points are based on baseless conjecture. -
Zyggie
If you are making sweeping generalizations of "ALL their talking points are baseless" then you have not.
laserite
I mean, if literally all of their talking points are bullshit though, that's not a generalisation, it's just true.
cantthinkofaclevernameatm
Not quite what he said. Their points are BASED on baseless conjucture. Not the same
Zyggie
If a=b and b=c then a=c.
ace5762
I had one of these twats call a government report, from Trump's government, 'liberal propaganda' because it didn't fit their narrative.
ace5762
Most of their arguments fall apart after a single google search. All they want is a reason to be scum.
The701
Hell, NPR Tweeted the text of the Declaration of Independence earlier this year. Some people were yelling at them for
The701
posting anti-Trump "propaganda."
FajitaPrinceofAllMexicans
They've also been welcome to use the internet for a source of information but have done nothing but seek echochambers.
markiel
Guy at work got upset because California won't charge underage prostitutes, i even mentioned how most of them were trafficked and he
burlyqlady
Wow, where the hell do you work
markiel
I mean that doesn't really matter, the point is the cult just hates democratic ideas.
burlyqlady
I get that, I just meant where do you work where underage prostitution in California is a topic of conversation. I'm curious - police, legal
markiel
Just launched into, "can't argue with Nate, he's got an answer for everything" completely insane.
DuckPlanetKing
That is an oddly specific thing to get mad about. He probably hates all women the same.
cwhammer2
Just calling your opposites racists and fascists is not a winning strategy. It also makes your side look raving mad.
JustThePGTips
Oh, ok... but it's cool to call us socialists, communists, America haters, and snowflakes? That makes your side seem uneducated af.
flapperfemmefatale
If you don't want to be called racist or fascist, stop supporting racists and fascists.
hygroovy
Calling your opposites snowflakes/communists/fascists who want to destroy your country/take your guns seems surprisingly effective though...
hygroovy
...and it's totally mad, but people still seem to vote for it?
RumbleNtheJungle
Both ways are great tactics to “rally your troops” on either side. You don’t get the beat voter turnout ever running on we are slightly less
RumbleNtheJungle
Horrible than the other side.
cwhammer2
I tend to think people who are on the left as idealistic and just greatly misled by the corrupt democrat party.
JackFromJupiter
Better an idealist than seeing how things actually are and not doing anything about it.
hygroovy
Agreed. What about those on the right?