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nikinnorway12
"Bill Gates dropped o..."
"BILL GATES DROPPED OUT OF HARVARD, NOT EVERGREEN COMMUNITY COLLEGE!"
QueenOfTheFey
All jobs are valuable jobs and all education/training/knowledge is valuable in some way.
The dude with the degree isn't better or worse than the dude working cash or the dude in plumbing, just different.
TheShogunOfSarcasm
I knew a guy who told me that he wasn't "book smart", but he was "street smart", which I later learned was his way of telling me he was a dumbass.
ChazzK
This is accurate. The other way around is also accurate. It's almost like there's more than a simple dichotomy to the concept of "people"
Jepalaudsadsin
I love that every factory I've worked at, you need a degree to work in the front office now. I worked at the same place as my dad, took him years to get me a job there, and he was moved from doing what I was doing to production control manager back in the 90s. He still works there, but they've dropped his title to customer service manager because the production control manager needs a degree for some reason. As long as you can use word/excel, you're good.
SantaFeSuperChief
This definitely applies to therapists, I've met therapist with the entire alphabet behind their name and they were a complete quack who clearly didn't care about their clients, and I've met therapists with the lowest certification that you can get while still being a therapist and they were fantastic, creative empathetic people.
noonehasthisoneyet
The skills based resume is a bit misleading since companies mainly want to see your experience more than what skills you have on an application. Especially for corporate jobs. Now if that’s not the case, I would love to know what companies give you more room to list/discuss skills.
ParryLost
Education can be useful / valuable or not, but yea, that original meme just smacks of anti-intellectualism.
DiracsDelta
Also the kind of shit people post when they have 10 years of experience and the new hire engineers don’t know how to use a screwdriver.
I have the degree and the experience, but am baffled when I teach people things I learned when I was 14.
Tardis1217
Problem is, in the US, our access to education is paywalled behind a lifetime of debt. Student loans are specifically designed so that you can never pay them off. Anything beyond an associate's degree at a community college or a full ride scholarship and you're gonna be paying the government back for life. I'd love to get more education, but I'm already in the debt black hole, so I just have to squeak by with whatever education I got.
bambinod
employers that value a degree over experience and skills says a lot about the employer.
ThadisJones
A scientific degree is a requirement to work for me, because I don't have the time to teach someone from average high school level up to the level they need for the job, nor take the risk that they can't learn in a structured way. Skill level in a job applicant is usually less relevant, because I can teach all that.
nikinnorway12
yeah, definitely. depends on the job too, but if im honest there is such a huge gap in the ability of PhDs vs Bachelors that it's hard to describe. But PhD training is definitely not necessary for every job.
ThadisJones
I meant a bachelor of science degree, not a PhD... that's definitely not a requirement
nikinnorway12
well, my point is more that qualifications matter. unless from a degree farm, hey're not symbolic, they're a certification that you have certain capabilities and competencies in line with a standard expectation in a given field.
FajitaPrinceofAllMexicans
There is a problem though in how majority of workplaces require you to have a degree before being able to work for them. They don't want to invest in getting a skilled employee, that could in the future get a degree anyway while working for them.
Ultratoxic
Ah yes, don't worry if your doctor actually has a medical degree or not, he informed me he "had the skills" so you should be totally fine.
Cosmicfisherman
Alex, I'll take surgeon with a degree for $500.
charondaboatman
Acquired information rarely equals skill and experience. Knowledge and wisdom come from all three.
cyrusthevyrus
Acquired information doesn't always equal experience, but a lot of degree programs (and even courses) require passing a skills-based assessment. People running these programs also often confer with employers to make sure they are teaching skills that the employers need.
charondaboatman
I will tell you from my experience, a chef newly graduated from the Culinary Institute of America at the top of their class with an encyclopedic knowledge of cooking and techniques frequently can’t handle a 20 ticket weed run on a Friday night. Deer in the headlights.
cyrusthevyrus
And yet they would still do a better job than if you grabbed a random average Joe off the street. Degrees and skill based assessments only prove that they have the minimum required skills. Of course they have a lot to learn though on-the-job experience. No one is claiming otherwise.
Put a different way (since it sounds like you're a chef/in the food industry)...I'd rather have a newly graduated 2yr RN or phlebotomist put in my IV than have you do it, assuming you have 0 training.
charondaboatman
Let me clear this up. 4 years at the Culinary Institute vs. 4 years in my kitchen. 4 years in my kitchen wins hands down every single time.
BlindGardener
You need both.
SuspiciousCactus
The green leaf is called the Resume. And thats how you get to the interview.
slack3rdav3
Cs get degrees. Plenty of idiots with and without degrees.
MaintenanceGuyHere
I have a Bachelor's degree and HVAC experience, most people care about my experience more than my degree
GrandmaSlappy
OK but also the best workers I've ever hired were self-taught and I felt my degree was a total waste of time just so I could prove I'm middle class.
jvh6609
Certified vs qualified. Not mutually exclusive but not mutually assured either.
JeezusJuice
True. However, the words you’ve used *should* be contradictory in my mind. So what makes that untrue? I guess the specific context of a situation? You’re certified to use a wood lathe or something, doesn’t mean you can build beautiful chairs. Roughly speaking … idk, but I like the phrasing, it made me think a little differently than usual.
DerpMeister
We have a guy at our company that started as a student employee 20 years ago and while he struggled with his studies, he was stellar at his job. So they offered him a full-time position and he has made it without that degree through several mass layoffs, both in the entire industry as well as in our company. I wonder how a future employer would look at his CV. Would they sort it out for lack of the degree or keep it because "if he made it that far he must be good"?
Xique
Certified vs qualified was taught to me like this. A certified person went to school of some kind that taught the thing and passed, a Qualified person was has done the thing long enough to prove they know it and no longer need the class. Came up with a lot of older tradesman and people who work on site. Somd things still require the cert by law though and cause fun class moments where one person obviously doesn't need to be there
Colopty
I vaguely recall some story about a guy who needed a certification for something and thus signed up for a class that it turned out he'd written the course book for.
Xique
Lol sounds right
lonelyrangerofthedreams
So the left carrot will stop growing and die due to not enough sun intake, while the right one will grow to the size of the left one and maybe more.
Got it, thanks.
18bora
What if you have skills and a degree?
rabensaga
They'll be happier to pay you minimum wage, probably.
AFelineMassofEyes
You're overqualified, they want someone else.
OutboardOverlord
I like the saying "A jack of all trades is a master of none, but often times better than a master of one". It has been interesting for me, working with so many different things from being a music teacher, guitar instructor, sound engineer, IT and tech instructor, car painter (my only education), electronics repair, landscaping, excavator operator... I'm 55 and still don't know what I want to be when I grow up.
TheFunGuyinOz
Im 64, and still " Becoming Andy".
Life is long song, make yourself one worth singing.
OutboardOverlord
Which is funny, since your name is Martin. Right? :)
TheFunGuyinOz
Haha.....
No.
It's Andy.
JohnSmithterms
I strongly believe that you knew exactly what you wanted to be but our entire system is a shit sandwitch.
OutboardOverlord
Me? I've never had an idea, because everything seems so exciting! Until I figure out enough that the law of diminishing returns kick the legs out from underneath me. Usually around the 3 year mark of any endeavor.
JohnSmithterms
Thats my point. You know what you want to do. But its not always possible to do what you want to do. Our society does not create enough oppurtunity and freedom.
Addmagnet
"Specialisation is for insects" - Robert Heinlein.
OutboardOverlord
I agree.
KiciaKicia
Science, medicine, law, for example do require specialization
colderfish
It's still relative. Eg. You can be a MD who's just a general practitioner or you can be a proctologist. The more you know, the more you know you don't know, so even as a specialist in my own field, I still feel like a jack of all trades to the people even more specialized
OutboardOverlord
True. For everything else, there's Mastercard.
JeezusJuice
I got to talk to some dude who works for some kind of innovation lab at Intel (it was over a decade ago, fuzzy details, but what he told me about was the coolest shit… he might have been a fellow there, actually). Anyway, he said something that never left me, “you want to be a Swiss Army knife with a scalpel in it.” Everything is the same. Being able to relate complex concepts across a broad set of systems/experiences is exceptionally valuable. It’s such a shame that almost no one knows how to
JeezusJuice
interview to identify this skill set, and fewer are willing to risk the hire. The roles that allow for untrained people with the ability to relate ideas across domains to break into a lucrative industry are changing so rapidly now with AI. Idk how the next generation’s gonna manage. It’s gonna be real hard for them. I think it’s incumbent on us older guys to find good young people and show them the ropes and enable them to get exp where we can. (I’m only 37, but we’re both older than dirt XD).
spinbutton3
Age and curiosity can help with that. It gives you time to explore as well as dive deep. Personally I don't think any education is wasted, whether it is a trade school, certificate college or beyond. Learning teaches you not just your subject but how to acquire and retain knowledge, plus you can meet interesting people.
Racealistic
I have 4 degrees it makes finding a job and interviews hella easy for me.
Arbitrarynamehere
I'm on my second and haven't found anything in 9 months.
Racealistic
I figure it varies depending on the country and city. Not to mention the profession. I've had a year rough patch too when i was first job hunting luckily i had savings to fall back on. Hang in there and best of luck.
Arbitrarynamehere
I got my first degree four years ago 😭
Radix865
But at the same time, people who "self-learned" can often seem like they know what they're doing but is actually completely wrong or even downright dangerous.
Larktonguesinadicecup
It could also be completely competent but just not in line with the workflow of the company
KiciaKicia
Totally agree, I would not want a “self-learned” doctor/lawyer/accountant, etc.. some skills you gain from your degree you do need and use. It just depends maybe on what courses you take at college/university; some are more useful than others.
JeezusJuice
For serious work, I wouldn’t want a self-taught laborer, either (carpenter, electrician, etc.). For minor work, maybe. I relate life back to computing all the time, and so I equate this to “everything is data and context.” Data is data, context is what I’m doing with the data. Good knowledge in the wrong context is not useful knowledge.
JeezusJuice
https://www.bytelab.codes/what-is-memory-part-1/ — Lots of IT people on this site, so just in case anyone else would enjoy this article, I stole the phrase from this guy (fuckin brilliant guy, Linux kernel maintainer, does low-level systems engineering at Facebook—which is gross, but you gotta be wicked smart to do what he does).
DSREX
In IT this is also shown by people who know how to do a process, but they dont understand the process or what actually makes it work the way you need.
I do not have a degree but I have had to expand my knowledge multiple times a year to even attempt to keep up.
I have the benefit of having been in IT since the 90s, so I was able to change and adapt as I went. Without a degree it meant I had to work hard to expand my knowledge base.
TheobromineAddict
IT is the kind of job that requires lifelong learning. Whatever you knew the year you graduated is probably obsolete or irrelevant 10 years later.
DSREX
Or you end up coding COBOL for 40 years after it was declared a dead language. There is no middle ground.
alt86er
Actually, you can have idiots in any profession. It's kind of strange, because yes, they somehow managed to get their degree. But then you see them working in said profession and you want to run away screaming. Like, how could you not fail that course? You clearly learned jack shit. And then there's the other way around, really smart people doing everything just as well as they should – but they do not have a certificate that confirms that they are in fact that good at that job.
idiotsonfire
All it takes to get a degree is the ability to show up for class, do homework, and pass the class. That's it.
OnlyOneArman
All it takes to climb a mountain is lifting one foot higher than the other a bunch of times. That's it.
idiotsonfire
Yes. It is.
Yakeshinu
I've seen multiple people with a BS in chemistry who were unable to grasp/perform %moisture testing: ((wet weight - dry weight)/wet weight)*100.
Even after repeated explanation and with the computer performing the calculation. That was the most basic test in the lab.
Forget about any actual chemistry.
I still have no idea how people can get science degrees and know absolutely nothing about the subject. You had to pass calculus but didn't know what orders of magnitude are? What???
GrandmaSlappy
Graphic design is extra bad because the tools are easy to use and they will graduate you based on tool knowledge rather than actual execution skills.
MrGhostbuster
I used to work at a university and can attest that I met many people, students and faculty, whom I have no idea how they ever made it that far.
WigglyBlondeNoodle
I work in healthcare. I've talked to doctors with prestigious degrees and impressive awards that I would never seek care from. The loud subset of nurses that don't believe in vaccines also blows my mind.
Like anytime you are looking to hire someone to do a job, do your research and ideally talk to people who have gotten their services in the past. Don't blindly trust the shiny accolades they show you.
SacrificialClam
Being book smart does not necessarily mean you are skill smart.
alt86er
Yes, exactly. Passing the written tests with good grades, but boy is all that forgotten quickly after the test. It was really frustrating to see. You struggle to get medium grades, but the shit you learn you still know today. And then there's the other guys, getting significantly better grades, but already one semester later they can barely remember half of that stuff. Or the other guys, passing any written test well, but hell is breaking loose if they start working (fucking all up) in the lab.
MarkWatneysVicodinPotato
A doctor who got a C is still a doctor.
alt86er
That's another misconception: You do not need a PhD in medicine to practice. It's just that the PhD in medicine has been devaluated that much that basically everyone wants and gets one. Does not mean that it makes you a good doctor (in the street sense).
MarkWatneysVicodinPotato
What I said is not a misconception, your grade has no effect on your title. A barely pass and 100% both get the title of doctor/engineer/CPA or what have you since you disagree with the medicine bit.
alt86er
What I'm saying is, *especially* in medicine it gets totally bonkers. You can have mediocre grades, then you do a basically »mandatory« doctor, that would not even be considered a bachelor's thesis in other fields, and all of a sudden officially you are doctor of medicine. Which sounds a lot more impressive than it actually is. As you say, you can have someone barely passing their tests on a regular basis, and still, the average Joe may think: »they have a doctor's degree, they must be good«.
JeezusJuice
I have this crazy situation where all the people I work with are actually highly intelligent, but they don’t have really broad contextual experience like I do, so they make decisions that scale terribly because they’ve never seen scale beyond what we have at $org today: they don’t know better. It’d be easy to conflate the lack of experience, and what I see as obvious problems and solutions, with their lack of intelligence. It’d be the wrong conclusion to draw, though.
JBloodthorn
On the other hand, y'all apparently are still using PHP, so.... (j/k)
Wishbone1977
The thing is, context and experience are very important to make good solutions. I have colleagues who are much younger than me, with more recent educations, who are objectively better programmers than me from a purely technical perspective. They still frequently ask for my help, because I know things about the context we are working in (integration) that they don't. Education is great for learning ground rules, but experience teaches you things no education can.
alt86er
But those are usually the people I'd rather work with. The ones that can actually learn and understand. They may lack experience or knowledge. But once you fix that by exposing them to the information they need, things will work out and you do not have to look after them again. While the other group can be exposed to any kind of amount of information. They still won't take the appropriate steps. At best they follow guidelines like a robot, but never really understand the »why« behind a rule.
JeezusJuice
Which isn’t to disagree, either. I’m just adding to the complexity of the situation that I felt you were alluding to in your comment. Sometimes, people are incompetent; worse yet, sometimes, incompetent people get promoted. And that’s a really painful experience that takes a really long time and a lot of effort to correct (not to mention, to undo the damage the incompetence likely caused).
Tarmaccian
A degree attests that you have certain skills, most notably the ability to follow through and complete a course of study.
Whether those skills are what you need for a particular job is a whole ‘nother matter, and one that even hiring managers rarely understand.
SelfconsciouslyConfident
I ask for GPA as well. If you dont give it, sorry. But I wont use anything out of academia. It shows me you can excel at tasks that are in your financial interest to do well. Therefore mine.
Guidocat
My degree attests that I know how to find the eigenvectors of a covariance matrix.
amaihai
Wouldn’t it attest to knowledge rather than skills? I thought skill was effectively applied knowledge and that definitely isn’t something they hone outside of specialized degrees
GrandmaSlappy
It only attests to your class
GimcrackGewgaw
Degrees have gotten pretty devalued. I don't put much faith in them alone when hiring. I look for a bunch of other signifiers and don't hire fresh out of college with a degree alone. Even a fancy degree says to me "might be smart and hard-working" but I also know how kids can skate through at fancy schools too.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
A degree mostly attests that some institution was willing to give you that degree. If the institution has competence and integrity, it does because you earned it. But there are too many examples to the contrary to just assume that's always the case.
frozenlake247
Maybe a pedantic counterpoint but I’d argue a degree is evidence that the organization that gave the degree is attesting that the person has a certain set of skills according to the organization’s standards.
It’s why an institution’s name/brand is significant.
The problem is when so many institutions are visibly willing to allow people to “buy a degree” it diminishes the reputation of degrees in general.
As w/ so many things this is something a functional government would ideally handle.
SalsaBeard
As an individual without a degree, I can tell you that a lot of HR screening tools will automatically filter out your resume without a person ever seeing it. On top of that, some places will subtract years of actual work experience as well.
I applied for a position within a company that wanted an enterprise network engineer with wireless knowledge. At the time I was currently in my ninth year of employment as a Cisco Wireless TAC engineer. They tried to knock off 5 years of that experience.
GimcrackGewgaw
Big employers are bad at evaluating talent. They use formulas that ignore individual human reality. Smaller employers have more flexibility. But small employers aren't really hiring Cisco techs. :/ 9 years into your career if anybody cares about a degree more than work experience they are fooling themselves.
SalsaBeard
Can’t agree more. The salary cut they were proposing was an absolute joke. Luckily I stumbled across another listing that worked out much better. Ironically I ended up working for the same company, just through a different contractor. Got brought in as a SME and loving what I’m doing.
GimcrackGewgaw
That's awesome. I love hearing stories like that. Good for you and good luck in your career!
OmnibusLatinName
I'll take someone who's diligent, methodical, and resourceful any day. They can learn and adapt.
GrandmaSlappy
Soooooooo, what are you saying? Pro or no degree?
OmnibusLatinName
I wouldn't hire an engineer without one but I would a draftsman, tool builder, or CNC programmer with experience. If some one showed up with a degree and said they were interested in a non degree field, I'd be interested. You never know what they'll grow into. I started at the lowest level of labor in this company and now I have more responsibility than I want :)
GrandmaSlappy
The whole "follow through" thing is bs. It's just a test of class.
Can you afford it? Can you integrate into a minimum class's culture? Even if you're better than those who can afford to just pay for it, and can get scholarships, do you even have the bandwidth after looking out for your basic survival needs?
These are what a degree really attests to.
BrdCdn
Depends on the degree. I failed out of first year engineering and while you might not use most of what you learned day to day in a job, it was absolutely foundational knowledge and specific. If we are talking business degrees or the like, then yeah I agree. It's more a certificate of being able to conform and having a certain financial background.
andtheseashalltell
Degrees aren’t job training, and never were. They develop the entire person. They teach critical thinking, systematic thinking, logic and reasoning, research skills, writing skills, study skills, and self-reliance.
The degree doesn’t automatically make you better at a job or a task, but it does make you better at identifying the methodological problems in the meme. It’s why so many people get frustrated - they can see the bullshit, but still don’t necessarily get ahead.
Fanner50
Depends on the specialty. Working towards a science degree by working in a lab is job training for working in a lab.
andtheseashalltell
That it *can* be job training too does not then make that the primary focus of the degree. And the people who confuse the two are typically the people who are least successful at both aspects, and the least satisfied overall.
Fanner50
Just keep twisting the meaning so you don’t have to admit you’re wrong, Auntie Ann.
andtheseashalltell
Or - and bear with me, this is complicated - schools award degrees, not jobs.
NearHereThere
a-whole-nother or a whole 'nother? Difficult to say
MetalSonicSixtyNine
A Nether Hole
Tarmaccian
I have a degree in computer science, so I’m going to shrug, say “I dunno”, and go back to making the thinking rock do the beeps and boops.
If I had a degree in English, I’d say something like “it’s a common corruption of proper grammar, and this comment was written in dialect”… then I’d run away because the fries are getting overcooked.
Saxytimes
I get irrationally irritated at "nother". "Another" is a combination of "an + other" so when you say "a whole" the "an or a" is already there before whole, and after that it's "other." So I think it should be "A whole other." Otherwise you're saying "a whole another." No one said this when I was a kid. Someone made a mistake and it caught on.
shammael
I did computer science. The only things university taught me were an intro to a lot of concepts that may or might not come in handy and the ability to fend for myself.
Any of the concepts I've had to use in my 25 years of work, I had to relearn on my own because the material that university covered was very shallow (or, being CS, outdated).
But the "you have a week to build a compiler with no prior knowledge" tasks from university have been useful in my career.
scrumbles666
Universities are primarily for learning critical thinking- how to acquire, vet, and apply information effectively- not specific skills. That's probably a tricky process with CS because of rapid changes in the field and a lot of pressure to produce valuable employees rather than just spread the joy of learning and creating.
alt86er
It's like most of the education that covers a vast area: You may or may not need what they show you. You get a basic run-down of it. But you just cannot go that deep in each sub-area of it, otherwise you'd study for 25 years just to cover all – just for it to be outdated by the time you graduate. I think one of the most important things that University actually teaches you is tenacity and how to teach yourself. Mostly needed because schools never did that.
JeezusJuice
I disagree with your conclusion, but you’re probably still right because it’s highly individual. I learned the tenacity before college. But I also had a weird path. Worked for 2 years in a warehouse, community college, three years off because of no money, got a job making $50k while living with my parents, and paid out of pocket for a regional school, where I got an English lit degree. What I’ll say is that I didn’t understand analysis before uni, and the process of analyzing English lit is
alt86er
I know exactly what you mean. I'm talking more about those, that are »more likely« to end up at the university. Often that's not exactly the kind of kids that had to endure or fight their way out of a hard situation. If your parents could barely afford anything, you are less likely to go study some more after school. Not that this does not happen. And that other group, yes, they have a similar kind of tenacity already. Does not mean that they are used to practice it in the learning context.
JeezusJuice
essentially identical to debugging massively distributed systems (I’ve been in envs with >100k servers: *massively distributed systems.* It’s all about correlating evidence and building an evidentiary chain, etc. Same process for being a good lawyer (which is what I actually wanted to be…)
JeezusJuice
Maybe if the country doesn’t crumble, if I can make tech pay me a shit ton for a few years, I can go to law school and become a public defender. I could for sure be a high paid lawyer too, but I very seriously want to help people who don’t have a chance. I’m digressing terribly. Mind’s racing, haven’t slept.
JeezusJuice
Where’d you go, if you don’t mind saying? I didn’t do CS, so I can only say what I’ve observed: there’s a wide variance in CS degree experience, and idk if it’s institutional or individual, or maybe just unfortunate course selection. My one guy at work got his CS from WVU. Another dude from N IL university. Both have respectable programs. The guy from WVU is amazing and knows theory very well. The other guy, not so much. One guy learned a ton in college, the other guy not so much.
shammael
I studied in Spain. The degree here is heavily theoretical, to the point that some of my classmates didn't have a computer at home (it was '97) and most professors don't give a crap about students.
I had a professor that I saw twice: The first day of class and the day of the final exam. No TAs, no office hours, no nothing. He simply disappeared.
A friend graduated from MIT with a Fulbright scholarship. His experience is completely opposite of mine.
shammael
In my opinion you can group people in CS/engineering by university.
I've met amazing professionals with doctorates from top unis and without any degree. I've also met absolutely useless people from all over the place.
I won't talk about other degrees because I don't know. But CS is a field where continuous learning is more important that whatever degree you have.
shammael
By the way, I officially don't have any degree. I dropped out from uni during my second MsC year, but the way degrees used to work here, all I have is a high school diploma (and a load of useless university credits).
I've always been upfront with employers about that and the only place that has been an issue was Google.
JeezusJuice
And I know other people with CS degrees from N IL, and they learned a lot. BUT, I’ve never discussed exact course loads, and there are a lot of paths to achieving the degree. I just don’t get it. I expect all your CS majors to outpace me in all things tech, and it doesn’t happen how I expect, and I don’t think too highly of myself. So, I’m mostly just confused at my expectations not being met.
Mistruths
"Computer Science" is approximately as precise a term as "civil engineer". You can have someone who has spent their entire career studying and designing bridges, with a depth of knowledge of how the typical mineral content in a specific river affects the corrosion rate of any metal reinforcement of the specific concrete mix used in the pylons compared to a different section of the same river.
It is also theoretically possible that they have never seen an operational dam in person.
JeezusJuice
That’s the sense I had gotten in the past. It’s too broadly categorized to be meaningful/useful in assessing a given person’s capabilities. I’m interested in finding ways to shortcut the interview process, while improving hiring accuracy, too. It’s a shame you can’t use degree as a particularly reliable signal.
Mistruths
Almost all 2-year degrees and most 4-year degrees give a decent foundation of knowledge, and a very 𝘸𝘪𝘥𝘦 𝘣𝘶𝘵 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘥𝘦𝘦𝘱 education on the subject matter. This is almost entirely because most degrees require significant specialization beyond 4 years, and not everyone going in knows exactly what they're going to do coming out. CS in particular touches on a lot of things (a lot of which you will mostly ignore afterwards) and depending on your specialization, you might just get certifications
Kilo11
First thing they tell you when you get hired
"Forget everything you learned in college you won't be using it here"
Imjurbro
Certainly NOT what I was told at my first real job. Though it was an advanced degree.
Halfwise
And then when you get to the actual job "forget what you learned in training, you won't be using it here."
BarryTheCyborg
You guys get training?
Kilo11
Which is great because I wasn't paying attention in either
Halfwise
That's okay. 95% of it is "Unions are bad. Please don't join one."
Kilo11
Im sorry what was that i wasn't paying attention, when's lunch btw
KiciaKicia
Said a doctor/lawyer/accountant, never. Some skills learned while getting your degree do get used.
thegarts
And medical field.
thegarts
But a lot we don’t use. If
You don’t use it you
Lose it.
martineb72
Except for law school. They mostly teach to pass the bar exam. 80+% of what you need to learn will be leaned at work.
Imjurbro
Well no shit. 3 years of school isn’t going to magically transfer a lifetime of skills. And newly minted doctors and accountants are pretty worthless too.
Kilo11
Which course teaches you to lie and proffesionally deceive a jury, or gaslight patients because your hospital singed a deal with x company and is pushing new meds/treatments because the profits for those are better? Ethics 101?
Whatdoyousaytoanicecupoftea
Not everyone lives in the US.
Imjurbro
Law students in the US actually have the pass an ethics bar before they take the bar exam that grants them a bar license. Any of that shit would fail then.
Zalm
As someone with an uncle who does contract law, I can absolutely tell you that the "ethics bar" is a joke and is less moral ethics and more about legal ethics. Lying to clients, juries, and even judges is a moral ethic, and generally done on a fairly consistent basis
swofromtherock
The degree shows you have the skill to put up with a bunch of bullshit for years on end.
thetonestarr
I'm a 40yo leftist in red America. I don't need my degrees to tell anybody that message.
xantous4201
100%, Deadlines, pressure adaptability is really what the degree stands for. Anyone can take youtube or paid courses to learn something. It's that ability to put up with your middle manager Ron's bullshit every day and not wind up on the news for homicide lol.
deamhan
Absolute nonsense. It's completely varied from person to person. I've hired college grads that can't keep a deadline or handle the slightest amount of pressure, and I've had degreeless employees with the same issues. Both also happen in the reverse. The 'college experience' is so varied as to be meaningless to speak to actual skills.
xantous4201
But at least with the piece of paper its proof of attempt.
5WattBulb
Consequently tattoos should make you more qualified because they show you can sit for hours getting needles jammed into you which is what every corporate meeting feels like
yamsonyamsonyams
“You can tell by this dragon tattoo on my face that I am level headed and chill”
malicart
This skill can be obtained in the real world just as easily.
reineseele
That is why employment references exist ; also i wish i could get a BS entry that i can keep up with stupid. xD
SalmonTheWise
But you don't get a piece of paper that says you obtained that skill.
swofromtherock
More importantly, you didn't spend hundreds of thousands to prove you're one of the good ones.
malicart
What is a resume? Its a piece of paper saying you put up with the bullshit at other jobs.
swofromtherock
Not if you get the worse label possible. Job Hopper.