There are a few of those in my area. They swerve all over the place trying to avoid bumps and potholes. I live in New England. Good luck with that. Our roads suck.
What is the point of the canted wheels? Wouldn't that wear your tire treads unevenly? I see regular ole SUV's with them slightly canted in, especially on the rear? What does it do? What's the benefit? (perceived or otherwise)
You're right! It does increase wear on the tires. Properly cambered wheels are usually barely perceptible and their main purpose is to improve grip on corners, generally when you want as much grip as possible. I think usually you only want around 2-5 degrees if I remember right.
Adding some (up to maybe three dregrees) negative camber can increase grip in corners but more tacky that can reduce braking effectiveness. It will wear out tyres a lot quicker. Only really useful for fast road or track geometry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_burner its part of this stuff. its just for show and at the worst mocking perfomance tuned cars. ya know: noone takes this as a serious perfomance upgrade: just like the extreme angles on those wheels.
As a mechanic and someone who deals with performance cars, it really is just dumb in every conceivable way. The handling gets extremely jittery and awkward due to reducing the contact patch of the tire to that of a motorcycle. You have extreme material stress due to absurd load angles on parts that are vital for your and everyone elses safety in traffic.
It's as dumb as those trucks running extremely thick spacers and end up shearing wheel bolts.
When it's designed to burn more fuel than required, simply because "coal rolling is cool" then no. I don't have to respect it. Fuck them sideways with a rake.
Different strokes for different folks, I don't personally care for the slammed look (extremely low ride height/hydraulics, -10° of negative camber) but I know some people do.
Just like in society we all want and like different things, so more power to them. :]
If that cars not on bags and is just that low all the time they're not going anywhere quickly enough to matter since they ride like shit on anything rougher than a new concrete driveway
I wonder how dangerous it actually is, because whenever I see cars like these in videos driving around they are moving really slowly because they are so low and have a suspension with almost no travel. Looks like it is pretty painful to hit potholes or bumps in the road if you are going faster than a bike with those cars ...
I have never actually seen one in the wild. If I did, I would assume its either going to, or coming from a meet. I would hope they had a good time. I am still going to drive like nobody actually knows what theyre doing.
I’ve frequently seen one (and only one) in the wild. It was probably his daily driver since I saw it at least a couple days a week for a couple of years.
Well, if you saw it frequently for a couple years they obviously didnt wreck it. I.E. they were an actual good driver, or the driving profile isnt as bad as you think.
I don't want to see unsafe vehicles on the road. Beyond that IDGAF what people do with their free time if it doesn't hurt anyone else. Let people enjoy things.
I think they look stupid too, but y'all are talking about performance and no one doing this gives a shit. These are not designed to race or really even to drive down the street, they are designed to display cultural signifiers of adherence to an in-group and excess wealth, and they succeed at those measures.
Coal dumping diesel trucks. The other day I left my windows down in the parking lot because it's hot out. Some ass left his truck idle in front of mine. My whole car was full of black smoke when i came back. Damn near died trying to get the car on and away from it to air out. I have no idea how these guys don't just get arrested. They're everywhere where I live
Only in certain states others allow them as long as they are short enough to stay within the lane. (in Texas they are legal as long as the car width is below 8' )
Just my guess but I feel like the regulation probably is more for oversized mirrors on wide dually trucks that tow trailers and RVs. I doubt anyone had this shit in mind when they made that regulation.
I had a coworker who built ford model A hotrods and I drive a subaru brz. We threw shit at each other non stop but ultimately I knew he poured a ton of skill and effort into his cars. But every time he tried to make a snide remark about my car being slow I reminded him if his flathead v8 even made close to the amount of power my underpowered 4 cylinder made, it'd crack in half. Let alone if he can even maintain grip when the road inevitably bends. But there was a common road between us how-
-we manted a vehicle that offers a experience different from the norm. Whether it be a communicative sharp handling chassis that hugs the road flat out through corners or the rumble of a v8 arm handing cruising along without a care in the world
Honestly, no matter how stupid a car trend is nothing will EVER be stupider or more dangerous than what the car manufacturers are doing. Turning every goddamn car and truck into a top-heavy SUV/tank with terrible efficiency. Adding big, stupid, glowing touch screens with fucking ADS in them that force you to navigate through multiple menus just to change the temperature. No tactile buttons or knobs anywhere. Subscription services required just to run the seat warmers. It's fucking uncivilized.
I saw an infographic that showed today's pickups have less frontal visibility than actual tanks. So high up they can't see the road until like 10 feet in front of them. I'm 5'3 and Can barely be seen walking in front of one of those fuckers. And was almost run off the road because the dude didn't see me next to him, I'm in a CRV.
It's more sinister than that, as they are paying to get these changes legislated and regulated. Protecting themselves from competition that could just not do it.
Interpretation of the US CAFE rules has led to massive vehicles because that means they do not have to be as fuel efficient as smaller vehicles. And since competitors were making larger vehicles that were selling, other manufacturers jumped on that bandwagon (also taking advantage of said CAFE rule interpretation).
Some manufacturers are bringing back some tactile buttons thankfully, but yes, not enough.
I miss the days of the oval and square keys. It was a bit before my time of course but at least you could work on them yourself instead of having to go to the dealership and hook everything up to a computer to tell me I need a cabin filter replacement (even though I had just changed it but it wasn't the "recommended" brand
There was a car well known for its suspension failing and causing that. I think my step dad used to have one, I can't remember the make and model though.
There was a 30yo dude on TikTok whose mom took a video of him melting down when his truck got banned. He had spent like 30k on this POS, like lived with his parents so he could pay for the truck. He had to keep a jack in the bed and jack it up every time he had to put gas in it. WTF?
Thing is, a wheel base tilt has ACTUAL use, you give yourself an angle on hard-core drift cars. A buddy of mine used to specialize in the minute math's that went into the calcs. This is just that taken to the logical extreme for showwork. Calm down, no one at a car meet brings this kinda hate, and we usually ask people about a mod before shitting on it.
"a wheel base tilt" WTF is that supposed to mean? Do you mean negative camber? Yeah some negative camber has advantages in racing applications, but this is just lame kids trying to outdo each other to make their cars the worst handling POS
That's not where this came from. "Stance" culture is the result of people with zero mechanical knowledge lowering their cars with cheap coil over kits in the early 2000s. The result was them fucking up their camber. People thought it looked cool and started doing it intentionally and that's when it took off. Like a lot of the mods on street cars, i.e. putting a touring wing on a fwd sedan for example, it's a performance loss and looks dumb.
I live near a canyon OHV and see lifted trucks regularly going up on weekends. These aren't the RGB Chrome trucks you see on freeways, many are even trailered up there since their tires are too big for street use.
My truck has a 4inch and bigger tires. But it was also made in the late 70s, so after all that, the hood still sits about 1" lower than its modern counterpart. Also I actually use it for offroading so its not exactly a street queen either.
If you lift your truck and actually take it offroading, good for you. If you get a body lift, Im sorry, thats just retarded and pure vanity. Honestly, 90% of the trucks in my neighborhood are just owned by dudes who drive to work and the grocery store. Perfectly clean. Never dirty. Not used as a work truck. Its a total waste of fuel and they take up half the street, you cant see around them if they are parked on a corner. Its just this weird annoying thing that some men get into and its dumb.
I was told that there is a tax write-off those jerks can get by claiming their truck is a work vehicle even if it has never touched dirt. I hope that is untrue, because that's stupid.
The thing is, if you take it off road you'll want a bit of a lift to fit larger tires,. but mostly adding better suspension components than stock, once you go so high the returns diminish and the truck is worse off road than a stock truck. Don't get me started on "off road" trucks with giant deep dish wheels and small sidewall tires.
adamsonpaul5772
It must drive like shit
Jonquepublik
There are a few of those in my area. They swerve all over the place trying to avoid bumps and potholes. I live in New England. Good luck with that. Our roads suck.
DontTazeMeBrah
That salt gonna eat them alive
aThingWithTheStufAndTheJunk
SnailsAgainstTungstenSpheres
I just saw one of those in person for the first time last week. Fuck, that is a dumbass vehicle.
BIC777
Bobby has created the opposite of art
DickLaurantIsDead
Goku & Spiderman?
Flodos
Spongebob & Sonic
tzahtman
Gotta go fast, Tails
Yellowchopsticks
At least it's not a cybertruck.
GreaseMonkeyOfLove
Honestly, I’d prefer a Cybertruck over this. At least “elon’s folley” can go over a speed bump without getting beached.
WalkinTalkinStephenHawkin
Only just. But that can probably survive a carwash so it may even out.
fractalsphere
What is the point of the canted wheels? Wouldn't that wear your tire treads unevenly? I see regular ole SUV's with them slightly canted in, especially on the rear? What does it do? What's the benefit? (perceived or otherwise)
Tangomangoboi
It's an exaggeration of a drift car.
GenXHippie
Although cambered wheels can increase speed and performance under certain conditions I am convinced at this degree it’s purely cosmetic.
Bobothehobomcjojo
You're right! It does increase wear on the tires. Properly cambered wheels are usually barely perceptible and their main purpose is to improve grip on corners, generally when you want as much grip as possible. I think usually you only want around 2-5 degrees if I remember right.
DonalDangerMaher
Adding some (up to maybe three dregrees) negative camber can increase grip in corners but more tacky that can reduce braking effectiveness. It will wear out tyres a lot quicker. Only really useful for fast road or track geometry.
PalaverQuader
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_burner its part of this stuff. its just for show and at the worst mocking perfomance tuned cars. ya know: noone takes this as a serious perfomance upgrade: just like the extreme angles on those wheels.
knotydes
The point of stancing is that your parents are related and your brain didn't form correctly.
YpsilantiRomani
Lowered trucks
TheHighCs
It just hasn't fully transformed into boat mode yet
DuckedInTheHead
Weight limit exceeded!
.... seriously, how many clowns are packed into that thing??
TheDaharMaster
Maybe let ppl do what they want to stuff they own and you stfu
Shitzamboni
As a mechanic and someone who deals with performance cars, it really is just dumb in every conceivable way. The handling gets extremely jittery and awkward due to reducing the contact patch of the tire to that of a motorcycle. You have extreme material stress due to absurd load angles on parts that are vital for your and everyone elses safety in traffic.
It's as dumb as those trucks running extremely thick spacers and end up shearing wheel bolts.
marisav
what happened to letting people enjoy what they enjoy? 🤔
Zetor
I'll take an extreme Bosozoku modification over this stupid shit any day.
GeneralPrower
Whether it's a stanced car or lifted truck, no vehicle should be too far on the Y axis.
Folsee
When it's designed to burn more fuel than required, simply because "coal rolling is cool" then no. I don't have to respect it. Fuck them sideways with a rake.
sohowsgoing
Rolling coal never has, nor ever will be, cool. They just hate on hybrid and electric car drivers because 'fuck the environment'
Folsee
My own mother once said that she wants a gas guzzler just so she can offset someone's electric car. How fucking petty is that :')
PalaverQuader
right. THIS is the way.
idiotsonfire
Trendy meets speed bumps. Half the car falls off.
OverpricedCrayon
look up Bosozoku cars. Because thats what that is and is in no way meant to be practical.
NightOwlRally
Different strokes for different folks, I don't personally care for the slammed look (extremely low ride height/hydraulics, -10° of negative camber) but I know some people do.
Just like in society we all want and like different things, so more power to them. :]
TerribleBot
sohowsgoing
Can confirm; parents used to have LH platform Concorde and it was always dogshit tired
DustyMcKnuckles
It has literally no effect on my life.
If making their car pigeon toed makes them happy, more power to them.
Mehdals
Try driving next to this.
delusionaldaydreams
It impacts vehicle safety by reducing traction for cornering and braking. This is a hazard.
chansuke
If that cars not on bags and is just that low all the time they're not going anywhere quickly enough to matter since they ride like shit on anything rougher than a new concrete driveway
superseriouscomments
I wonder how dangerous it actually is, because whenever I see cars like these in videos driving around they are moving really slowly because they are so low and have a suspension with almost no travel. Looks like it is pretty painful to hit potholes or bumps in the road if you are going faster than a bike with those cars ...
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
It isn't. This person is just trying to find reasons why other people's preferences offend them.
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
Not to a degree that it's genuinely relevant to other people.
delusionaldaydreams
Only when emergency braking is important…
Sarnion
Yeah this don't look like this guy's daily driver...
DustyMcKnuckles
I have never actually seen one in the wild. If I did, I would assume its either going to, or coming from a meet. I would hope they had a good time. I am still going to drive like nobody actually knows what theyre doing.
delusionaldaydreams
I’ve frequently seen one (and only one) in the wild. It was probably his daily driver since I saw it at least a couple days a week for a couple of years.
DustyMcKnuckles
Well, if you saw it frequently for a couple years they obviously didnt wreck it. I.E. they were an actual good driver, or the driving profile isnt as bad as you think.
delusionaldaydreams
It’s probably fine if you
Drive carefully. I still wouldn’t want to have to execute an evasive maneuver like sudden braking or lane change.
JohnWickdidnothingwrong
I don't want to see unsafe vehicles on the road. Beyond that IDGAF what people do with their free time if it doesn't hurt anyone else. Let people enjoy things.
WellAckchually
I think they look stupid too, but y'all are talking about performance and no one doing this gives a shit. These are not designed to race or really even to drive down the street, they are designed to display cultural signifiers of adherence to an in-group and excess wealth, and they succeed at those measures.
MattoJanai
Coal dumping diesel trucks. The other day I left my windows down in the parking lot because it's hot out. Some ass left his truck idle in front of mine. My whole car was full of black smoke when i came back. Damn near died trying to get the car on and away from it to air out. I have no idea how these guys don't just get arrested. They're everywhere where I live
Shoutrr
if you need to get out of the car and check to be sure it can pass a curb cut/ramp then it's automatically classed as fucking stupid.
prfesser
Some of those couldn't drive over a sheet of cardstock without bottoming out.
Mehdals
Don't forget whatever the hell these are.
MCFLYYY
Illegal?
Mehdals
Only in certain states others allow them as long as they are short enough to stay within the lane. (in Texas they are legal as long as the car width is below 8' )
MCFLYYY
That seems like an extremely dumb way to regulate that.
Mehdals
Just my guess but I feel like the regulation probably is more for oversized mirrors on wide dually trucks that tow trailers and RVs. I doubt anyone had this shit in mind when they made that regulation.
echonite
Leg grinders.
SecondSince
As long as it isn't stupidly loud i don't give a single fuck. It's the tiny-dicked drivers of super loud cars that need to be castrated!
jj999124
I had a coworker who built ford model A hotrods and I drive a subaru brz. We threw shit at each other non stop but ultimately I knew he poured a ton of skill and effort into his cars. But every time he tried to make a snide remark about my car being slow I reminded him if his flathead v8 even made close to the amount of power my underpowered 4 cylinder made, it'd crack in half. Let alone if he can even maintain grip when the road inevitably bends. But there was a common road between us how-
jj999124
-we manted a vehicle that offers a experience different from the norm. Whether it be a communicative sharp handling chassis that hugs the road flat out through corners or the rumble of a v8 arm handing cruising along without a care in the world
CampbellsChunkyCyst
Honestly, no matter how stupid a car trend is nothing will EVER be stupider or more dangerous than what the car manufacturers are doing. Turning every goddamn car and truck into a top-heavy SUV/tank with terrible efficiency. Adding big, stupid, glowing touch screens with fucking ADS in them that force you to navigate through multiple menus just to change the temperature. No tactile buttons or knobs anywhere. Subscription services required just to run the seat warmers. It's fucking uncivilized.
OverpricedCrayon
I fucking hate SUV's. Ugly, less efficient, more prone to roll overs, and sometimes even less storage space than cars or wagons.
NinjaCongo
God sometimes it's so good to read a comment from another grumpy middle aged man. Cheers mate!
randomdragon
This. Even with stupid car mods, behind every dipshit modding his car to hell and back is an unscrupulous company to make and sell that stuff.
Temzilla
And there is a race to make them larger and larger, safer in crashes but incredibly more deadly for anyone not inside of a tank of a SUV.
frostybox
I saw an infographic that showed today's pickups have less frontal visibility than actual tanks. So high up they can't see the road until like 10 feet in front of them. I'm 5'3 and Can barely be seen walking in front of one of those fuckers. And was almost run off the road because the dude didn't see me next to him, I'm in a CRV.
flashboredom
Yes, at least someone could undo the canted wheels. Touchscreens in cars are for life.
Boondangle40
Crowbar enters the chat
marsgoose
It's more sinister than that, as they are paying to get these changes legislated and regulated. Protecting themselves from competition that could just not do it.
sohowsgoing
Interpretation of the US CAFE rules has led to massive vehicles because that means they do not have to be as fuel efficient as smaller vehicles. And since competitors were making larger vehicles that were selling, other manufacturers jumped on that bandwagon (also taking advantage of said CAFE rule interpretation).
Some manufacturers are bringing back some tactile buttons thankfully, but yes, not enough.
Blakeadelic
💯 ^this^ And this—https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/15/cars/headlights-tech-adaptable-high-beams-cars/index.html
NightOwlRally
I miss the days of the oval and square keys. It was a bit before my time of course but at least you could work on them yourself instead of having to go to the dealership and hook everything up to a computer to tell me I need a cabin filter replacement (even though I had just changed it but it wasn't the "recommended" brand
taterthotsfordinner
And those trucks with front lifted and back dropped. Always reminds me of a dog with worms, scooting its ass across the carpet
SmeesNotVeryGoodTwin
Those cars were made for fucking dragons. Kind of like how male turtles have a divot in their bellies.
Opossumheimer
totallyruinedyourday
TIL this is a thing?!
GeorgeCostabaplaps
Hahah I thought it was the other way round that looks stupid, that's got me beat (off)
Absent
Accurate way of looking at it, since the owner must obviously be diseased in some way. The car is just a symptom, right?
CatEyebrows
I didn’t even know that is a thing. I just googled it. Fucking stupid
yuugian
Looks like the pooping-GSD the AKC is making the default. Poor doggos
MadamPuddifoot
Thank Gods they banned those from driving on our beaches. We have enough assholes in trucks on the beach (usually flying fucking Drumpf flags 🤮)
PirateRubberDuck
There was a car well known for its suspension failing and causing that. I think my step dad used to have one, I can't remember the make and model though.
Quizz25S
It's not only stupid, it's dangerous and straight up illegal in some US states.
aluminumonkey
They have a truck that can't go off road, can't be raced, or haul anything. What is the point of it?
AmbassadorOfAndrew
Status symbol? “I can afford to have a useless vehicle”?
CaptainHowdyonmeds
Just buy a cybertruck!
marsgoose
Economy is in the shitter, they will buy the other half of the lift kit once they can save up for it.
frostybox
There was a 30yo dude on TikTok whose mom took a video of him melting down when his truck got banned. He had spent like 30k on this POS, like lived with his parents so he could pay for the truck. He had to keep a jack in the bed and jack it up every time he had to put gas in it. WTF?
LuciusNeedful
Thankfully that shit is illegal in my state.
TheSoulessGinger
The Carolina Squat. Agreed, I think that looks worse than all the stance-nation cars
iquestionthepinappleeveryday
Is it the same thing they do in Southern California?
lizardbones
they're also illegal in a lot of places
RacecarIsRacecarBackwards
Omg I just googled this. How is that legal, you can't even see the road in front of you.
stahmxv
It apparently isn't. At least, not in SC
IrishRover
AKA the Tennessee Tilt.
PrizmRed
Yes let Tennessee claim it. Keep Carolina out of that madness
Phoenix0153
It was just made illegal here, so yeah nope, it's outta TN
IrishRover
I still see it every day
mikenco
When it no longer functions properly as a car, it's wrong.
OmnibusLatinName
Everything I did to my truck was to better it's function. Get power to the ground. :)
CptRobotNinja
I don't give a shit as long as you're not taking it on the road. Go nuts. If it's safe, you do you.
ziggystardust7
iirc the amount of mileage you get on the tires is like comically low, too
soultarr
This
Stoneagedudeman
Thing is, a wheel base tilt has ACTUAL use, you give yourself an angle on hard-core drift cars. A buddy of mine used to specialize in the minute math's that went into the calcs. This is just that taken to the logical extreme for showwork. Calm down, no one at a car meet brings this kinda hate, and we usually ask people about a mod before shitting on it.
mecalise
How old are you
Thesaya
I was thinking you were making some good arguments and wondered why you were downvoted, until I saw you told someone to calm down. Rude.
wibbIywobbIytimeywimey
Whoa, calm down. Breathe a little, my guy. Don’t get so worked up! /s
Thesaya
So soothing.
Vortexhelios320
It's like all my troubles are falling away!
n0n53n53
"a wheel base tilt" WTF is that supposed to mean? Do you mean negative camber? Yeah some negative camber has advantages in racing applications, but this is just lame kids trying to outdo each other to make their cars the worst handling POS
Bloodsense
That's not where this came from. "Stance" culture is the result of people with zero mechanical knowledge lowering their cars with cheap coil over kits in the early 2000s. The result was them fucking up their camber. People thought it looked cool and started doing it intentionally and that's when it took off. Like a lot of the mods on street cars, i.e. putting a touring wing on a fwd sedan for example, it's a performance loss and looks dumb.
TouchofSatan
Also fuck all those trucks with a 5ft lift kit.
Cutwail
It's alright for the show but not on the road.
drdorman86350
If you need a ladder to get in your grocery getter, you've gone too far.
MenloPart
If your commuter vehicle is a full-size truck or SUV, you are wrong.
miles4pints
Whoa whoa whoa.. you’re not wrong but we have feelings. I used to do truck stuff :’(
Absent
It was probably easier or cheaper than the penis enlargement surgery option.
HeadJamistan
Kalmbach
The taller the truck, the shorter the penis.
xXxX66SICKXxXx
But how will everyone know what big special boys they are?
MechKelly
M-M-M-MONSTER JAM!!!
TacticoolWolf
I can justify tall trucks on big tires going through rivers, but its those huge rims on rubber band tires on a truck that kill me.
albaboss
How often do you think they use their lifted truck to go through rivers…?
TacticoolWolf
I live near a canyon OHV and see lifted trucks regularly going up on weekends. These aren't the RGB Chrome trucks you see on freeways, many are even trailered up there since their tires are too big for street use.
sortofkindamadbutnotreally
My truck has a 4inch and bigger tires. But it was also made in the late 70s, so after all that, the hood still sits about 1" lower than its modern counterpart. Also I actually use it for offroading so its not exactly a street queen either.
NKato
Using the vehicle for what it's built for.
levish
A stock full size pickup truck bed is already high, imagine even adding another foot height and trying to load up 20x 50lb bags of mulch.
METROlD
If you lift your truck and actually take it offroading, good for you. If you get a body lift, Im sorry, thats just retarded and pure vanity. Honestly, 90% of the trucks in my neighborhood are just owned by dudes who drive to work and the grocery store. Perfectly clean. Never dirty. Not used as a work truck. Its a total waste of fuel and they take up half the street, you cant see around them if they are parked on a corner. Its just this weird annoying thing that some men get into and its dumb.
theGORTtakethaway
I was told that there is a tax write-off those jerks can get by claiming their truck is a work vehicle even if it has never touched dirt. I hope that is untrue, because that's stupid.
DangerTrain
"Pavement princesses"
n0n53n53
The thing is, if you take it off road you'll want a bit of a lift to fit larger tires,. but mostly adding better suspension components than stock, once you go so high the returns diminish and the truck is worse off road than a stock truck. Don't get me started on "off road" trucks with giant deep dish wheels and small sidewall tires.
Hazza646
But how else are they supposed to project a false sense of how gargantuan their phalluses are?