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Don't read an article because it attacks a person you don't like, or because it defends your existing position. Read it because it explains what you don't understand.
nopost
Kaepernick's a fucking dumbass if he thinks this assassination was about race and American imperialism.
LordMondragon
It’s not. But the country was founded and through history has exploited non Anglo beings. Even now, trump considers these places shitholes.
nopost
And yet, he's tweeting about Iran like it's a race/imperialism issue, which it isn't, ergo, he's a dumbass
GeneralLowselFesteem
This guy was so effective, I don’t trust what he’s saying either.
LychFinderGeneral
What do you mean?
Welve
Pretty sure he’s kidding, re not trusting people’s reactions based on the Twitter OPs very reasoned explanation to doubt non-experts
GeneralLowselFesteem
This guy/gal/other gets it :)
TheHorseShesElbowDeepIn
OneUglyMuthaFukka
That's a nice way of saying "check yourself before you wreck yourself."
ozjuggler
It's clever of the Onion to choose an ambiguous headline so everyone assumes the Onion is supporting their own personal opinion.
orzhvopatriarch
Its also from several years ago, but i do think it is relevant if we thinking another middle eastern ground war is gonna make things better
ozjuggler
The only response Iran will definitely take is to probe for spies and improve their counter-surveillance so next chief doesn't get Reapered.
orzhvopatriarch
I would rather we were not in the position where we had to trust Iran's levelheadness to prevent war. they sink one US ship its war time.
ozjuggler
They could just as easily point to the failure of Chamberlain's appeasement strategy in the leadup to WW2. It's a battle of precedents.
snarflex
Good grief, those responses from Rose M and Colin K. wth.
attila3000
I am impressed how US, Iran, Russia, China etc. are always involved everywhere. Everyone should stay back at home and cultivate potato.
ScottaHemi
Idaho:
unitoMemeJunkie
This feels oddly like what it claims to be telling us to watch out for, but for the opposite position
Furreality
Its almost like hes just as biased as what he claims his ideological opposition is...
MarkRavingMad
I'm just sick of wasting blood and treasure in the middle east.
albalass
Well I mean yeah Americans won’t be able to name all the Arab countries. Getting all the US states down is hard enough.
moondeath
Iran is not considered an Arab country
YourMomsSidePiece
Think Iranians can name all the North American countries?
NobodyWorthThinkingAbout
Shit, Americans can't even name all North American countries.
7thor8thcaw
Probably. There isnt many.
YourMomsSidePiece
There's 23.
7thor8thcaw
I know. It was sarcasm that didn't work out in my favor.
HeyArabella
Most people don't even seem to know that Iran isn't an Arab country.
DanAndsome
Correct.
catsandcoke
Neither is Afghanistan.
HonestCommentFarmer
Middle East, Arab country, Persian Gulf it's all generally the same thing.
HEiSENBERGx00131415
sure if you are ignorant enough
pickinganameistoomuchpressure
Noooo
warmNchewey
Ya all 52 states is difficult. Gives us a break!
minkfarm
Americans can't even agree if it's 50 or 52 states ;)
idontenglishsorry
What?! Its not that hard! Miami, North Carolina, New York, North New York, San Francisco, New Orleans, West Disney World, Canada, Alaska1/2
idontenglishsorry
New Mexico, Old Mexico, Arkhamsas, New London damn I forgot the rest, al right it its hard, at least i got 21 correct
Chainhealer
So many logical fallacies. Not knowing the word Hashd doesn't mean you don't know anything about the middle east...
RodinMaths
"The United States has become a place where entertainers and professional athletes are mistaken for people of importance." Robert A Heinlein
greggor
Imgur has become a place where Robert A Heinlein is mistaken for a person of importance.
TheRealAethrys
And he lived when Liberals weren't out to impose tyrannical collectivist regimes. Imagine if he saw modern politics.
TuityFrooty
Everyone else gets to tweet their unsolicited opinion. Why should celebrities need any other credential.
Berethian
They can and do express their opinion, just as they are criticised for using their influence in areas outside expertise.
Steinst96
They're not saying they aren't allowed to state their opinions, he's saying people are taking them as facts just because they're famous.
TuityFrooty
Are they though... If anything, people are telling them to shut up because they’re famous.
joeyjojosharknado
I think the point is people pay a lot more attention, and often give credence, to what celebrities say, because they're famous.
hardytardigrade
This isn't real talk, it's a straw man attack which dodges some important aspects and assumes others. We aren't (weren't?) at war with Iran.
SonderingStrike
Real talk also goes the other way, just because you can talk big talk about Iran doesnt make you an expert.
shawnemack
I’m not critical of the act but of the timing and true reasoning behind it
KissMikeLitorusSheSaid
Which is what? You’re obviously an “insider”
MinxyJinx
Rose McGowan is worthless. Ive read her messages before. She knows nothing and spreads hate and fear to make herself seem important
deathloop
He lost me when his second point has nothing to do with his premise. Being anti or pro U.S. has no bearing on knowledge of circumstances.
bearwithsharkarms
I agree, but people like to oversimplify the world.
IFoundOutThatYouCanHave63CharactersOntheUsernameHowCoolIsThat
tbf, people are just reacting to what they're being fed on the news. Unless you have a particular interest in the mid-east, you're reliant..
IFoundOutThatYouCanHave63CharactersOntheUsernameHowCoolIsThat
on mainstream media and social media for everything. Sadly, soc.med, means "I report what I feel" and "me thinks this".
IFoundOutThatYouCanHave63CharactersOntheUsernameHowCoolIsThat
to put things in perspective, most people first heard of Iran situation on social media. They're fed opinions first before facts, let alone
IFoundOutThatYouCanHave63CharactersOntheUsernameHowCoolIsThat
history or context for that matter.
Uglytattoos
He’s also cherry picking comments from the experts. Shadi Hamid prefaced his comments with “its doesn’t mean the killing was good or right”
Coolera
The guy shows a very strong bias. The politics of the region is not black and white, the words hero and terrorist are very interchangeable
ozjuggler
Not all terrorists wear capes. <-- Worked better than I thought.
capnsebastian
he comes off as the type of muslim or even exmuslim apologist the right wing would put on a pedestal. he wants the US to stay in the region.
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
Speaking as an Arab Muslim born in the states, who actively watches the news in both the US and the Middle East, there is not a single sane-
achamso
History and internacional law. If you look at trem you’ll ser that ir was unlawful and wrong.
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
I’m not arguing that.
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
Person who should be upset that he’s dead. Real talk, he represents the worst that Iran has to offer. Iran’s hands are not clean, but no-
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
Nation’s are. We fucked with them, they fucked with us. It’s how geopolitics works. But, that said, I still cannot condone the action. The-
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
Life of one monster is not enough to justify the thousands if not millions more who will die as a result of this. I will always advocate a-
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
Diplomatic solution over a militaristic one, and while there are a lot of mistakes in the Obama foreign policy to criticize, trying to paves
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
The way for diplomatic relations with Iran was certainly not one of them. This president, in his childish desire to tear down anything his-
alwaysupvotefuturama
Soo dude was a scumbag. Can we still be against starting another war?
newsguycraigevans
Absolutely
ThankSpec2reImReal
As long as you're not pro-appeasement, then sure! I won't roll over for a very evil force like that one
FourLegsGood
No, Majid Nawaz is directing your attention to where it needs to be. He's not gaslighting you. Talking about the only country US citizens 1/
FourLegsGood
Have knowledge of and experience in is being an expert in acting. Just condemn the dead guy so we can get on with the killing. 2/2
AverageCanadianTy
Key word here is deterrence.
oldswimr
We’re not starting a war. We’re stopping more deaths caused by the now dead general and his friend.
Zhopa101
Apparently not according to this dumb fuck
factcheckmate
You can be against war AND not apologetic to fascist regime of Iran. I say this who comes from predominantly shia background
ImNotRacistBut
By what definition is Iran "fascist"?
factcheckmate
As someone*
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
There's not going to be WW3, it's all fearmongering and cynical Doomers spreading that, the real issue is for U.S forces currently IN iran.
OverlyOpinionated
And Iraq, Syria, Yemen, and Lebanon. All have a significant number of Iran backed forces. Soleimani deserved to die, but Iran can 1
OverlyOpinionated
Seriously screw our forces, allies, and trade in the region. I'd keep an eye on the Strait of Hormuz and Iraq 2
minkfarm
The left loves their fear mongering
NSAgent
The left loves fear monger it? Have you ever seen Fox News?
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
I'd say they both love fearmonger, but the left tends to blame, the right tends to glorify.
NSAgent
The right seems to do a pretty decent job of blaming immigrants, Muslims, Obama, taxes, and gun regulations for all of their problems.
OverlyOpinionated
Need to re-find the source, but conservatives are much more likely to influenced by fearmongering. I'll update once I get it
Dionysus187
War should be prevented but not avoided. If someone is doing nasty shit and is determined to go to war if interfered whats the alternative?
sc0ttied0g
Don’t interfere?
previoustopcomment
I think its well established at this point that removing one shitty regime & leaving a vacuum isn't going to fix internal social issues.
Traviscoletravels
The horse is out of the barn. Iran will hit back & it will be on. This the twilight between attacks where peace still seems to be an option
higherfuryx
I'm glad we have a prophet. Someone in the situation told me different but I'm glad i listened to you instead
Partnerd
No, they won't. It'll be instant death to engage the US directly or in proxy. There may be something minor, but then they'll crawl away.
GinoTheIntern
Just gonna leave this here
Partnerd
Did I call it or what?
GreaseMonkeyOfLove
Yes. The only reason he was breathing this long was because nobody in either the Bush or Obama admins wanted to risk starting one.
slightlysoggyasparagus
My view though is, at what point can it no longer be put off? I feel letting him live as long as he did caused enough damage as is.
insomniac24x7
You forgot the Israelis.
camn333
I doubt Iran is in a good enough position to start anything with the US right now, they are probably more concerned about getting a nuke.
Cutwail
You really think Russia would've let the USA dunking on Iran without involving themself directly ?
camn333
They will most likely keep focusing on helping terrorist strike US forces in the region. Then again, I'm no expert so I'm probably wrong.
schocker28
So, what they already do.
moondeath
The US embassy was attacked, which means US ground was attacked. This in an of itself is declaration of war...
CreateYourOwnNormality
Yes. we should declare war against Iraq. Third times the charm, this one'll result in a peaceful world and less terrorism. Keep believing!
moondeath
I didn't say that
CreateYourOwnNormality
Wait, another embassy has been attacked? In Iran this time?
Dionysus187
Not technically true about embassies but more importantly he was responsible for killing US citizens and soldiers, so fuck 'em
GinoTheIntern
And we backed a coup to oust their democratically elected leader, shot down a civilian airliner, etc
OriginalNameDoNotSteal
It's not, in a literal sense https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war I'll agree it's bad, but different from starting a war
moondeath
Iran has been at way with us for a long time. The US is an enemy if the state
OriginalNameDoNotSteal
Proofread and try again
MomKevinjustfelloutofthecar
The tried to pull another embassy take down. Not today. Not today.
OriginalNameDoNotSteal
Ok, that's not a declaration of war. Not today. Not today.
JamJarre
Nobody's saying he wasnt a bad dude, just that assassinating him without a plan, or telling your allies, is fucking dumb and dangerous
CauthonsGamble
Tbf, some allies knew. Israel had a heads up about it.
chefsoda
This is an absolutely reasonable comment, which will be drowned out by those with a thoughtless agenda.
zeroexistence
KSA and Israel knows.
HanginintherelikeEpstein
The US government has a plan in case of a zombie apocalypse, they've probably had a plan for Iran at least 10 years now.
stripeyface
How do you know there was no plan?!? You honestly believe USA will do random shit ? Forget what memes tell you. This is irl
stripeyface
Let’s be honest you’re just want to crap on the current administration. You can hate trump idc but be reasonable.
JamJarre
The current administration is geopolitically incompetent. They've been outmaneouvered by every state actor in the game from China to Russia
JamJarre
It's laughable to suggest that this massive destabilising move is part of some master plan
wadatahmydamie
That’s the entire point of Trump though. He doesn’t understand policy, and these idiots love him for it. They just want shit broken.
YangKoete
Seriously, just an ounce of planning and preparation would have made this a better situation.
MissMittens
It's too bad the Constitution didn't balance out war powers to prevent these unilateral decisions :-/ /s
JamJarre
You can think the war in Iraq was a terrible fucking idea without loving Saddam. Same thing
Dionysus187
'not liking' a person isn't good enough. Something is to be DONE about it.
JamJarre
Toppling Saddam sure had a great effect on the region. Glad we DID c something - maybe next time we'll DO some thinking beforehand
xKaraKx
Thank you
allotherpasswordsaretaken
White House official here ^ says there no plan without having any idea. If there is or is not a plan
JamJarre
Why do you assume that there is? Oh shit are YOU a White House official??
GinoTheIntern
Yeah why don't Americans trust that their government totally has a plan for a conflict in the middle east?
bosendorfer
Who says there isn’t a plan? You know Trump didn’t fly the drone himself right? There are a lot of knowledgable advisors in our military/CIA
JamJarre
Tbf I've only assumed there's no plan based on trump's entire career, actions, words, & the quality of the people he surrounds himself with
JamJarre
My bad, I guess
GinoTheIntern
Geez I wonder why Americans don't trust the military and CIA when they say they have a plan for the middle east?
Crowlands
They have a plan. "Keep dropping bombs and firing bullets, so the Military Industrial Complex Overlords get more money."
Dybidude5
America. The land of freebomb ... I mean freedom. *cough*
yabbadabbaderpityderpdurpderp
I have not seen or heard much planning from this administration. I see gambits that seem poorly thought out but no real planning
VenicePreciado
Why would they give out their plan to everyone in the world. Jeez.. cmon
muhvitus
I guess they stpped that after nany allied countries declined to go to Iraq. It sucks when people critize your good plans.
chefsoda
The US military has been saying they were shocked Trump ordered this & are unaware of any plan forward & Trump says it's a single action.
FartedWhileMakingUpName
And Trump likes to ignore them to the point that they resign in disgust or get fired for not stepping in-line.
NaughtButOne
My dude, there are nothing but plans. The US DoD has a plan for Mexico raising an army of genetically engineered, super fast mouse soldiers.
GinoTheIntern
So how are their plans for Iraq or Afghanistan working out?
FartedWhileMakingUpName
Professional civil servants have plans and experience. Those currently in the WH do not or are out of their element and actively -
FartedWhileMakingUpName
fucking with the process that the actual professionals are used to.
Wireman
Disclaimer: I voted for Trump. But both pro/anti trump people are guilty of this whether in support or opposition of anything Trump does.
EvillBob
That is the most infuriating thing about this presidency.
skott69
I love that. Well said.
LordMondragon
So would you vote for him again? Why?
Wireman
At this point, yes (my stocks are doing very well and my local area is doing well). I just wish he would stop acting childish.
legitGiraffeBandit
He's right, I don't know shit about the middle east. But I know I don't want war with an unstable nuclear power without a VERY good reason
Dionysus187
So let them keep on doing good ol' fashion killing instead.
snarflex
And now we understand why keeping Iran away from anything resembling nukes was a great idea.
wadatahmydamie
It’s ad hominem statement - the essence of which is that if you’re not an expert, you’re an idiot for believing experts he doesn’t like.
FourLegsGood
You also know something about the US. But that makes you an actor apparently. I've heard of Majid Nawaz and he makes too many concessions 1/
FourLegsGood
To neocons. Oh but he predicted I'd say that so I guess that criticism is no longer valid. That's how it works. What a jackass. 2/2
1Plebian
They don't have nukes mah dude. We gave them 50$ billion dollars and permission to get close though.
ThePotatoBandit
"Permisson to get close" you mean pulling out of the Iran deal.
MissMittens
Yeah, what idiot pulled that move?
HanginintherelikeEpstein
Thanks Obama.
Uglytattoos
No we didn’t. We didn’t “give” them a penny. Whoever first said that should be kicked in the balls for perpetuating a lie
1Plebian
Yes we withheld assets due to their terrorist funding that we then released for a pinky promise of good behavior and continued development
1Plebian
Of nuclear potential. I just can't wait for there to be a bigger badder North Korea who is untouchable.
Uglytattoos
That’s not true either. We froze funds when they cut diplomatic ties with us and took Americans hostage.
1Plebian
Yes, taking hostages is page one of the terrorism playbook. Why is that something you want to redefine?
GinoTheIntern
https://www.npr.org/2015/07/31/427990359/ex-mossad-chief-supports-iran-nuclear-deal
yabbadabbaderpityderpdurpderp
That money was legitantely owed from the 70s/80s.
DanAndsome
Owed? It was frozen when they kidnapped 52 Americans.
GinoTheIntern
Well we backed a coup to oust their prime minister and also once blew up a civilian airliner of theirs so let's call it even
yabbadabbaderpityderpdurpderp
yes and they were released 20+ years prior, not going to debate but this was a legal process by a system we support
JamJarre
To be fair they 100% dont have nukes. Yet. They were looking for an excuse to resume enrichment though
FourLegsGood
No they weren't. They even decided to continue the agreement with the other countries involved in the agreement after the US broke it.
legitGiraffeBandit
Just goes to prove my point about not knowing shit about the mid east.
mydrivec
What do you know about stealing giraffes? I know where one is
StillNotYouTube
100%? Of all the countries that supposedly don't have them, they seem most likely to secretly have them.
brannana
A bunch of explosives surrounded by a bunch of radioactive material set off in a city will still cause a shit ton of problems. You don’t/
brannana
Need enrichment for a dirty bomb.
PompatusOfLove
Their biggest allies are Russia and China...
driverAnimal
Ally is a strong word , maybe they hate them less than most
Redbulloth
Russia and China are like the only kids at lunch who will sometimes let Iran sit with them. They don't like Iran, they just feel kinda...
Redbulloth
bad for them and enjoy seeing the chaos when they rile Iran up.
wadatahmydamie
Obama’s deal with them was working. Trump fucked it up by assassinating a guy who was on his way to peace talks.
waitwasthatreal
On his way to peace talks?
wadatahmydamie
Iraq’s prime minister confirmed it.
waitwasthatreal
He said the guy was bringing a response, and just after meeting with the militias that follow him.
SneakyEmu2
Literally the opposite. The US was giving millions and they kept right on with their nuclear program
StillNotYouTube
You're wrong. It was billions.
FourLegsGood
The US was not giving any money to Iran, you unbelievable fucking tool.
wadatahmydamie
Man. Y’all buy some dumb lies.
c00lbeans69
To be fair, we were the ones that shit on and ripped up the nuclear arms deal
MissMittens
Source? Like, a credible source?
vikingvampireangel
They're not unstable. They're barely nuclear. The main threat they pose is unchecked expansion in the middle East. Which... I mean, that-
bearwithsharkarms
There has been transfer of Nuclear tech from US to Iran
Camelspotting
In the 70's?
bearwithsharkarms
A bit more recently
KissMikeLitorusSheSaid
Yes, thank you Bill and Hillary
vikingvampireangel
-would be the main goal of killing Sulemeini. Whose main job is expanding their influence in the middle East
Camelspotting
The main goal was to say 'look what we can do without repercussions.'
vikingvampireangel
Hahahaha, sorry. Was* his main job
wadatahmydamie
Nawaz is full of shit here. The implication is that “if you’re not an expert, you need to be pushing for war like I am.”
wadatahmydamie
It’s disappointing, but not surprising. He’s an intelligent guy, but there’s a reason he’s frequently a useful idiot for the far-right.
stripeyface
You are an extremely smart guy aren’t you? I can tell.
wadatahmydamie
Certainly more so than people who are falling for this dumb rush to war shit again. Trumpers are more gullible than most Republicans.
FocacciaIsLife
I’ve never heard of him but was getting tired of his intellectual bullying, all “if you can’t name all the proxies, ya best check yoself”
PancakePoodle
Are people really arguing that the killing of Soleimani was bad? I can understand arguing about the timing and possible consequences.
FourLegsGood
He's arguing in a vacuum. It's two genocidal countries in conflict, but Majid is focused on one.
AverageCanadianTy
Actually, he runs a counter terrorism NGO which focuses on both Islamism and Far Right Extremism. He's just turning up the volume on this
FourLegsGood
On what?
AverageCanadianTy
This vantage point. Sorry, ran out of comment space.
HellbirdIV
Did Soleimani deserve to get blown up? Maybe. But "the killing", as in ASSASSINATING a ranking Iranian general, was a bad fucking idea.
xuriV
wouldn't be the first time we've attacked some country and claimed they were terrorists. It's not like I knew the guy.
NobodyWorthThinkingAbout
Yes, some are. They are idiots, though. Most people are more concerned about if this starts a world war.
KissMikeLitorusSheSaid
Zero to 100 in milliseconds.... typical
NobodyWorthThinkingAbout
Is there a point to this non sequitur?
alazyamerican
Especially the timing. Trump should have just gone to the Texas border again.
ThatItchySpotInTheMiddleOfYourBack
Again, him and US generals are one and the same. the US still holds Their military in high regards, just like iran did with this guy.
ThatItchySpotInTheMiddleOfYourBack
We either accept US generals being bombed as well or we admit that this was not a good idea.
Dybidude5
Terrorism is always bad. No matter if islamic or american. Nobody likes to live in fear getting hit by "freedom" rockets.
givemeyourdosh
I talked to a guy on Omegle who was from Iran. He was pretty happy that the General died but was worried it might escalate.
StillNotYouTube
Mostly just people saying anything Trump does is bad.
sentripetal
This. He's turning a straw man argument into another straw man argument.
AverageCanadianTy
There are Iranian propaganda posts which show people mourning his death etc So yes, there are definitely people who feel this way.
Dybidude5
I understand you. But actually there are ten thousands Iranians on mourning ceremonies. I doubt this is staged.
AverageCanadianTy
Which is why the existence of those posts tells me it is a real phenomenon, but I don't think it is as popular as it seems.
IMayOrMayNotHaveTroubleFindingAndOrChoosingAUsername
Probably not that he's dead, possibly the timing and consequences, but definitely the legality of how it happened.
KissMikeLitorusSheSaid
Legality?
IMayOrMayNotHaveTroubleFindingAndOrChoosingAUsername
Rules of war, etc.; Executing a person outside a justice system, breaching Iraq's sovereignty, and weight of internal US justifications.
schocker28
Is it the same legalitys when we killed bin laden?
IMayOrMayNotHaveTroubleFindingAndOrChoosingAUsername
Re. the breaching of Pakistan's sovereignty, almost definitely. I don't remember if there were any completed legal proceedings against him.
SonderingStrike
The killing was bad because it will only result in more death.
Dionysus187
he was already responsible for death. Not like he was just being a jerk, he had an active part in enacting and was planning more 'death'
Camelspotting
That was his job, seems likely they'll hire somebody new for it.
opkraut
You don't understand how high up and important he was in the planning of those, do you?
Camelspotting
It doesn't matter how high up or important he was, it will not stop them enacting and planning more death.
CantankerousCantaloupe
He got replaced by one of his longtime lieutenants who'll just keep all that shit going while Iran got a massive propaganda weapon and US...
CantankerousCantaloupe
position in Iraq got severely weakened. The guy will probably be even more of an asset to Iran martyred by great Satan than he was alive.
MeanWinchester
I don't know enough about the subject, and don't feel comfortable weighing in until i know more about it.
Wankathon
It's a strange world now, over a decade ago the ignorant arrogant owns were the overtly islamophobic Pro-invasion ones, now its reversed.
iShouldProbablyGetBackToWork
Hey hey hey, a rational thought? Get out of here kid you don't belong here
CandleBandit
Uninformed people will still be like
superbest
You should run for office on that platform
justhereforthefun
EsteOesteNorteSur
EsteOesteNorteSur
Without educating myself first
PoeTayToe
Wise move and exactly what I thought given the current situation
Notareptilian
You should watch more Aziz Ansari on Netflix to educate yourself
wadatahmydamie
Republicans pulled this shit in 2003, telling us we were in danger and starting a war over it.
dragonraven13
Yeah. Saddams got WMDs. Invading Iraq would be just. Oh wait, Bush/Cheney made that up.
AverageCanadianTy
I love that sentiment, however, there is value in learning a bit, and then engaging in debate and conversation to learn more. Humilityneeded
Donnarhahn
Well, from an objective standpoint, this is a disingenuous strawman argument. It compares expert opinion with novice.
Kmpapples
The problem is i'm a lazy shit that doesn't research the topic when i first hear about it, so i only do so when some has literally blown up.
JeezusJuice
Listen here, asshole. If you don’t start throwing around uneducated thoughts RIGHT FUCKING NOW! You don’t wanna know what’ll happen.
MHman
I wish I could upvote this twice
clucja1
This guy is putting a lot of people down. Who is he? And why should we listen? How biased is he? You can find experts on both sides.
BabyWitchErika
Hey, just like trump. He doesn't know anything about politics either. yay~
beasttubbs
And..... response bias in action. People with "strong opinions" that aren't based on facts get the attention rather than ppl with this view.
JustinSaneFire
My wife asked me about it. i told her all i know is that we sent troops to iran. Idk why or for what reason, but I'll look into it for her
whyyesthankyou
Ergo the above texts by Maajid Nawaz. Read them, juxtapose them against what you're hearing on the news, and 'know more about it'.
iwearlittlesocks
I feel like every citizen is being played with, fucked, then killed by political/theological elite
ImTheManderson
^^^ me on everything
InsouciantSausage
euphoriagrowing
Top comment of all time.
RepaidRapidDave
Haha this is exactly what I told my wife today.
stiner282
It always blows me away that more people in this age of endless information don't take this stance more often.
hol618
You mean an impulsive emotional reaction isn’t the objective truth?
mondanmondan
Bad man killed by bad man.
RandomUsername06
Same
becausesoupwascold
So why post this comment? Why not just move along like the rest of us who cannot meaningfully contribute to this discussion?
andwings2go
When I saw that Iraqi’s were in the streets pissed off I realized I know zero about the situation.
MomKevinjustfelloutofthecar
Shia and Sunni. Sibling rivalry off the scales. Beyond that are the blood feuds and unending quest for power and real estate.
andwings2go
So, some Iraqi’s pissed and others happy?
warriorbrother666
Then read about it
Turdsandwich10
Generally speaking, we all know the Iranian regime is bad. Talk to any Persian in the US
Ijustsigneduptoupvotethis
A wise move that not enough people practice.
PotatoThunder
I told a guy once I didn't know enough to have an opinion about something and he said nobody had ever said that to him before
DownvoteAllYouWantImstillRight
I need to remember this line.
greenninjatx
Suppresses in NBA
kaleldc86
See Steve Kerr, China. That's what smart people answer when they know the right answer flies in the face of their beloved ideology.
Chpgmr
And you will never know enough because the ones who really know wont tell you
TheBrofessionaI
I mean if you’re starting from zero, what weight does your input even hold? Sit down & get over yourself. Your opinion doesn’t matter.
khazaria
I'm confused at the line where people hate trump at the expense of hundreds of thousands dead arabs. Does hating trump kill people now?
downtime33
Think it has more to do with people supporting/opposing based on who made the decision
downtime33
I.e. would those same people have felt the same way if Obama or Bush had made the same decision
orzhvopatriarch
I would be against another middle eastern war regardless of president.
khazaria
I don't think the Iranians would have felt differently. Americans... well, certainly Republicans would have hated Obama doing it.
sundaymondayhippyday
Trump
trump knows bigly better....
cqoyDiver
I don’t need to speak Farsi to know that assassinating foreign politicians is an act of war
MomKevinjustfelloutofthecar
He wasn’t a politician. He was leader of one the armed forces and many cover ones. Recently qualified as terrorist organization. There 1/2
MomKevinjustfelloutofthecar
2/2 was an attack on an American outpost. The embassy was sacked. He physically was in the theater of operation, Baghdad and therefore 2/2
MomKevinjustfelloutofthecar
3/3 was on the wrong side of things. Has he stayed out of area he would not have been eligible for the hellfire missile solution. Legally.
cqoyDiver
This is a precedent you want to allow?
yeahIbreedtreelizards
As opposed to orchestrating an attack on a foreign embassy? I would think that that would count as some sort of provocation.
cqoyDiver
Then a lot of Americans need to start sleeping in body armour
Alpha5772
Just worried this is going to lead to more war. Usually assassinations lead to war.
MomKevinjustfelloutofthecar
I wouldn’t disagree but my observation has been that conflict has been in the horizon in the region. Leader’s, good or bad, taken out of 1/2
MomKevinjustfelloutofthecar
2/2 Libya, Iraq, Syria disorder, ISIS and the Caliphate, Taliban and Afghanistan. Typically it’s been a dominate strongman to fill the void
Camelspotting
No they don't.
Surisuule
May I please have historical examples? I’m not really a history buff and I’d like to learn.
TheBrofessionaI
Archduke franz ferdinand. And that’s about it.
dragonraven13
Technically that assassination has led to ALL the wars in the 20th and 21st centuries.
serpentinebaboo
I don’t know enough about foreign policy, but I know an impeached President acting unilaterally to assassinate the #2 of a hostile foreign
MomKevinjustfelloutofthecar
Grow up
serpentinebaboo
? What?
mondanmondan
Well, he's the commander in chief, so that's literally his job.
serpentinebaboo
Only if they truly had evidence of imminent threat. Which they refuse to provide evidence for. Otherwise, congress declares wars.
mondanmondan
Not how it works
serpentinebaboo
That is literally in the constitution. But please, tell me how it works
minkfarm
impeachment only happens when the House transmits its charges to the Senate https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/20/us/trump-feldman-impeach.html
serpentinebaboo
According to one professor. According to EVERYONE ELSE, he’s impeached. Not that it matters. It’s not like Pelosi will never send them.
serpentinebaboo
power on the verge of becoming a nuclear state, without any approval from or even notification of Congress, and no evidence of an imminent
MomKevinjustfelloutofthecar
You don’t fully understand the basis of your own argument. The president can order the deployment of forces for a limited duration. 1/2
MomKevinjustfelloutofthecar
2/2 at some point the law requires that he make a plea to the congress for ratification of the deployment order. It is what it is.
serpentinebaboo
I fully understand. The attack was carried out without an Authorization for the Use of Military Force and without consulting congress. In
minkfarm
He already got approvement thanks to Obama
serpentinebaboo
threat, sounds reckless. No one of note (people latch on to Kaepernick/McGowan) is defending Soleimani, but that doesn’t matter.What matters
mondanmondan
"No evidence of imminent threat" he says, forgetting that our embassy was attacked and an American civilian killed less than a week ago
serpentinebaboo
You have to prove that Soleimani is planning an attack. It wasn’t soleimani’s men who did that. It was a group of protesters. Who backed off
serpentinebaboo
is the safety of our country and our interests. Not what’s happening in the Middle East.It’s our military, our economy which he put at risks
DrunkIrish
If you don't know every player in the never-ending morass of mid-East fighting, you don't get to disapprove of America starting wars there.
TheMilkbox
To be fair. There are a LOT of players and the area has been in conflict (in one form or another) for over a thousand years.
SonderingStrike
Yes, you do, it doesnt take an encyclopedic knowledge of world governments to know war is generally bad.
snarflex
There's no absence of ppl in the Middle East who would welcome a war--for the right reasons--to get them out of an even worse situation.
SonderingStrike
And so that makes a war justified?
Crowlands
If you don't know every step to the manufacture of your car, you don't get to disapprove of it exploding when you go over 15MPH.
FourLegsGood
Dude, you have to add the /s
Tairu8
I think his point is that people are far too reactionary. They form an opinion without even trying to learn the facts
KissMikeLitorusSheSaid
That pretty much sums up most of the world today. Fear based opinions vs solid dialog to learn.
oddoregano
My opinion. He was a bad dude. But everything has consequences.
baibaibaby
Shouldn't the moral then be don't condemn OR support without knowing the facts?
sentripetal
Like our president then?
demosthenes89
All I really need to know is that the U.S. just assassinated a high ranking government official from a strategically influential country. 1/
demosthenes89
That they did this brazenly and proudly, after months of escalating tension. I don't really care how much of a scumbag he was, you don't 2/
demosthenes89
assassinate foreign government officials unless you're prepared to go to war. And I know I don't want us to start another fucking war. 3/3
AverageCanadianTy
Actually, the point is that many people are mad that Soleimani is dead, but are unaware of the countries throughout the WORLD he was evil in
Booberham
no one is mad he is dead they are mad that it happened while trump was president. The same dudes on the red side hated Obama the same way.
Booberham
It’s a team sports politics thing not a logical or thought out process
ClemFandangle
Are you aware of how many countries Trump is evil in? Or Boris Johnson? Or Putin? It’s all relative. One nations hero is another’s villain
nopost
Considering this guy was responsible for the destabilization of countries and funding of wars and terrorists, he was just evil.
ClemFandangle
Are we talking about Bush, Obama or Trump?
MissMittens
Remember that time Canadians tried to citizens-arrest Dick Cheney for his war crimes? Those were the days
DasPumpenStrasse
And vice versa :)
barryleaper
why did 5 defence aides resign before the attack? it was a retarded move, he is replaced and perhaps the new guy has an axe to grind? 1/
barryleaper
this action has set back any reform that may happen by years and consolidated power for the ppl you despise, dumb as fuck 2/
barryleaper
you are just as much a reactionary as any celeb claiming they know what they say 3/
FourLegsGood
How ironic can you get?
sentripetal
No one is MAD he's dead. Where'd you get that idea from? We're mad that it was done haphazardly without acknowledging the repercussions.
bosendorfer
Yes yes they killed him without weighing repercussions that a 10 yr old could foresee... or maybe they did and made the right decision
Crowlands
Like Trump's first military strike, which he did because he was told Obama was afraid to agree to it, and killed 30 civilians?
Crowlands
One of which was an 8 year old American girl.
DrunkIrish
Because if there's one thing this administration is known for, it's well-planned foreign policy.
sentripetal
Or maybe you're too naive to see how odd the timing of this attack was.
DrunkIrish
Who is mad he is dead? The issue is the HOW. He was killed in a way that provokes Iran and disregards Iraq, with no plan for consequences.
bosendorfer
How the hell do you know there’s not a plan. Seems stupid to assume our military would take this action without plans for the aftermath
DrunkIrish
If there's a plan, it's not one that benefits America.
Crowlands
It benefits the military industrial complex. And the ensuing war wounds and PTSD help big pharma. Who else is there in America?
GinoTheIntern
The deadliest year for American troops in the Iraq War came 4 years after Bush said major combat operations were over. There's no plan.
sentripetal
This guy was a target for 3 administrations. Funny the guy that demolishes the Iran nuclear deal is also dumb enough to call in the strike
bosendorfer
You understand that things change over the years right?
Crowlands
His first approved military action was one Obama opposed because it would kill civilians. He was convinced to sign off on it by telling him-
rollsteelertide
I don’t know anything about the man or the region, but I do know this: the US government has failed to demonstrate an immediate threat by
KissMikeLitorusSheSaid
Just the facts please.
rollsteelertide
him. Couple that with the fact that the President is under impeachment and it’s all a little too convenient for me. Feels like a distraction
ScottaHemi
he organized a militia to attack the US embassy... he was caught with his hands in the cookie jar and died with the militia leaders...
ScottaHemi
he was watched by Bush, classified as a terrorist by Obama, and is responsble for many thousands of deaths all around the world...
ScottaHemi
our people, iraqi's, even his own countries people... this guy was ruthless...
barryleaper
using drones to kill civilians is not ruthless at all...there are no good guys in this, forget the pious bit
duckgrad06
I wouldn’t call Kaepernick an expert in football.
shimmernshine
Willowknowsall
He's an expert in beung a victim though
jodeum21383950
I consider him an expert in getting his knees dirty. Disclaimer: I mean no offense to porn stars by using this comparison!
ArtMadeofYourComment
darianb
He did make it to the Superbowl and then the game before the Superbowl two concurrent years. (I get it's a joke, this is for others arguing)
beasttubbs
He started at QB in a Super Bowl. What would you classify his football expertise as?
lookitupyourself
Well as few more shots are being fired over here
leroy666
Compared to all you couch potato wannabes. Get to NFL, you're an expert.
EsteOesteNorteSur
BitchButcher
Right. Never saw him kick a ball. But I heard he's decent in American Handegg
bohemiancrabcity
powderedwigs
Not a Kaep fan but he does have a super bowl win
Jaron58
duckgrad06
No he doesn’t. They lost to the Ravens.
powderedwigs
I sit here corrected haha
10Ts
This is the internet, aren’t you supposed to double down?
powderedwigs
A lot easier to just admit defeat
wiltsjunk
Swing and a miss
powderedwigs
Yup I was wrong. Happens a lot haha
rollerskateorgies
He's more of an expert in football than Rose Mcgowen is in acting
Wednait
Rekt
Leithoa
She was great in Charmed, you take that back!
vikingvampireangel
Hey, you take that back. She had some beautiful titties back in the day
GenericActor
I’m more of an expert in acting than Rose McGowan, and I’m not even remotely famous
DasMutt
Who is Rose McGowan and why should anyone care about her opinion? Seriously, no idea who she is beyond being mentioned as an actress
1metalnation
She's good at being naked and damn near nothing else
Stitchabarger
User name checks out
passerByer
I’m more Rose McGowan than football in Colin Kaepernick
khazaria
So no football players are experts? The qb has to know the most of what is going on.
vwyx
Tests show its the lines that are most aware
khazaria
qb changes plays before and during plays, based on many factors they see and what the defense shows. But either way, he's clearly an expert.
beasttubbs
Legitimately interested in these tests. Do you have a link? Def agree lineman need to know a ton, but more than the QB?
KrombopulosMichael808
I would call him an expert in making idiots think that the single most respectful gesture in human history is magically disrespectful
KrombopulosMichael808
Really struck a nerve with the truth here. Nike sales and stock also increased during the “boycott” LOL. Stay mad morons :)
thoseaintpillows
Your feelings can’t change your down votes. Maybe people have differing opinions than you. Sorry this one didn’t work out for you.
KrombopulosMichael808
There’s no opinions involved. Nike’s sales data is public and the kneel was on national television
thoseaintpillows
You should check my other response where you accuse me of hurt feelings. I couldn’t care less about Nike. Keep cheering for child labor.
SofaKingSpecial
The nature of a gesture is contextual.
KrombopulosMichael808
Indeed, the context being it was respectful and he was advised to do it by other soldiers who said to do it to be respectful
SofaKingSpecial
I assume you're correct, I'm just making an observation about the lack of intrinsic nature in gestures.
thoseaintpillows
Do not assume he’s correct. Many more soldiers disagree and a few said at least kneel vs sitting. Kap is a clown.
KillerTofu615
He's very correct. As a vet, the single most respectful gesture is taking a knee for the dead. We cry like everyone else, we weep we take1/2
nommon
I would say anyone who gets drafted into the NFL even once qualifies as an expert in football.
thoseaintpillows
Never miss an opportunity to miss a joke eh?
boredgingerguy
Ryan Leaf finger guns this in approval.
TooMuchDad
Smokin’ Jay looks blankly into the middle distance
SmurfEggs
A dallas cowboy brings his dog to the vet I work at, he is a benchwarmer and has not touched the field at all........
JeezusJuice
He could still know a LOT about the game. Doing and knowing are quite different. A lot of backups have gone on to be amazing coaches. Still,
JeezusJuice
I agree with the sentiment. Being an amazing athlete doesn’t make you a knowledgeable player. There’s a reason most careers are so short.
geauxirish22
*Booger McFarland has entered the chat*
ZetaRayBill
Expert in “accidentally” drawing dicks on live TV, then?
KenpachiJiraiya
Back to you Joe
duckgrad06
So everyone who graduates with a degree is an “expert” in their field?
ACSwineburne
Pretty big stretch to equate being drafted by the NFL to simply graduating with a degree.
Whatwhatsomethingbutt
When you're recognized as the top 2-4% of all graduates in your field that year it certainly says something.
JeezusJuice
Eh... I’d say you’re on your way to being an expert, but if you never learn more, you won’t be an expert.
JeezusJuice
Being drafted and sucking is closer to passing the LSAT, or whatever test they have for med school, and then flunking out.
DasMutt
Yeah, this. The bottom 10% of NFL players are the top 2% of College FB players.
JeezusJuice
If you get into Harvard law and never pass the BAR, are you an expert in law?
DanAndsome
Jamarcus Russell might disagree.
Ijustwannagohomeandeatcalzones
biffmofo
Savage
bigboneded
He would tell you he's an expert without having watched any film.
WhatUpIGotABigHawk
How was he supposed to watch film when the team gave him a blank dvd, they trapped him.
bigboneded
He fell in.
wadatahmydamie
I would. He was in the top third for QBR the last year he played.
nateglen350
Bad year for quarter backs
duckgrad06
I agree he had a few good years, but for me, there’s not enough time in the league to see if it was his ability or the scheme and coach
DonteHaversham
I agree, i think that was a big factor.
wadatahmydamie
http://www.nfl.com/player/colinkaepernick/2495186/careerstats the racist-ass fans who get their stats from Fox News gonna be embarrassed.
LuftMeister
Nobody would know his name if he hadn’t taken the knee. Ultimately unremarkable QB, would make a decent backup.
garybuseysteeth4
pretty sure people already knew him what with the fact he played in a super bowl
wadatahmydamie
I could type slower if you’d like. I know numbers are hard. He was in the top third among starting quarterbacks.
YourMomsSidePiece
He was 3-16 in his last two years with a 59% completion rate. He couldn't even beat out journeyman QB Blaine Gabbert for the starting job.
wadatahmydamie
Gabbert also had a lower completion percentage that year. Hence Kaep’s lawsuit against the NFL - which they settled.
wadatahmydamie
Gabbert’s QBR in 2016 was 68. Kaepernick’s was 90. Numbers, right? SO complicated.
Bukkhockey
You'd have to be totally ignorant about American Football to think Kaep is worth better than a 3rd string job rn
andwings2go
The left never brings him up, football fans know why he’s not playing, seems like only the right wing mentions him.
Galigirl1
Reread the statement, especially #4. You've proven the guy right.
andwings2go
Never mentioned trump but thanks for playing
Swe3tJe3bus
Lol he is. Jeff Driskel started a fucking game.
whitepolarbear
I'd rather have him than McC(l)own for the Eagles last night...
Bukkhockey
You'd rather have a guy who hasn't played a game in 3 years? Eagles had 17 players promoted from the practice squad this year.
ACSwineburne
With the guys being paid to sit as backups in the NFL, at least show the respect of saying "backup" as that's not much of a statement.
Bukkhockey
No, he doesn't warrant a back up position. Maybe 3rd string definitely CFL or practice squad
DontTazeMeBrah
Starter for bad team, backup for good team.. would have been certainly better than Josh McCown (as long he knew the system)
Bukkhockey
He hasn't played in 3 years he couldn't hold McCowns water bottle right now.
LasciviousHedgehog
Isn't the issue that you don't start knocking off high ranking members of foreign governments (even cunts) without a long term plan?
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thatsright123
The issue is: Certain allies in the Middle East want to drag America into another war that will last decades. We can thank Bibi and MBS .
sc0ttied0g
The issue isn’t that you don’t knock off people. Everyone deserves a trial.
LychFinderGeneral
Reelthreat
What makes you think there isn't a longterm plan?
bosendorfer
Exactly
AstroExplained
The fact the US had to suddenly suspend actions against ISIS. The fact the WH apparently didn't inform allies w/ troops in the area.
KissMikeLitorusSheSaid
Suppositions all.
popejubal
Because we've lived through 3 years of this administration and we've seen how they work?
chine
...The entirety of Republican foreign policy up to this point? Trump is not smarter than Bush and Bush was an ass grabbing moron.
Youhavinagiraffe
Past experience
GinoTheIntern
I wonder what makes people think the American military and intelligence machine doesn't have a longterm plan for a conflict in the mid-east?
Crowlands
They have a long term plan. A REALLY long term plan. "Always war someone, to buy more from our military industrial complex overlords."
GinoTheIntern
What possible thing could've happened to make Americans wary of something like that?
CurlySwede
The election is close, Trump believes that war will get him re-elected. And past experience with Trump, Mattis stepped down for a reason.
effarydi
It depends entirely on how iran retaliates. That will depend if they want trump in office or think the dem candidate is a better alternative
Reelthreat
That is some stupid logic... news flash WAR IS NOT POPULAR and in no way will help with re-election.
ZachNanamus
People pretend to hate the idea of war, but our movies, our novels, the stories we tell each other, are filled with conflict, death and/
ZachNanamus
/and even realistic depictions of war itself. We may say we hate war, but we love a fighter, and that is the image that a wartime president/
GinoTheIntern
So why did he say Obama would start a war with Iran to win reelection?
Reelthreat
Did Iran attack a US embassy in Iraq?
Callistan
In March 2003, 72% of Americans were in favor of war against Iraq. Bush had a 71% approval rating at that time. See source in next comment.
Callistan
https://news.gallup.com/poll/8038/seventytwo-percent-americans-support-war-against-iraq.aspx
nopost
Starting wars and raising military support have been surefire ways to get elected since the ancient Greeks and Romans. Catch up already.
Reelthreat
Not sure if you realize the times we live in... he just ordered the kill of a terrorist and he is the bad guy. Catch up already.
Uglytattoos
Other than the idiotic outliers, I don’t think any liberals are sorry the guy is dead. We are just worried about the repercussions
MrHailstone
This. Im european and frankly i couldnt care less about the constant wars in the middle east. Im worried about what comes next.
Fractallergy
You can't just hand wave away all the Twitter-libs with this "no true scotsman" defense.
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KissMikeLitorusSheSaid
Just your own selfish worries.
gecko08
Which include potential reprisal attacks on American citizens abroad. In addition to the concerns of war of course.
NiHZ
Yes but that doesn't fit the narrative of liberals just blanket hating everything Trump does.
johnvictor
They'll replace him, I'm not certain the escalation in violence will be warranted overall.
MarauderPilot
Exactly. It'd be like if Iran shot a missle and killed Dick Cheney. No big loss, but the repercussions are serious.
pastramionrye
This misses the point hard. Doesn’t matter that they’re worried. It matters that they use that worry to spew dumbass shit on the internet.
BIGLEE123
I've had plenty of liberals state they were against killing him
Brutsarge
Correct
Cr4zyC4tLady
Oh trust me, I’ve got plenty of idiotic liberals with whom I usually agree who are losing their absolute SHIT over this “in defense 1/2
Cr4zyC4tLady
of brown people everywhere” and just to hate Trump on principle. It’s asinine.
INeverWaitForIt
We're also worried about the reasons he was killed. Yes, he was an evil man. No, that doesn't mean we wanted him dead because the
INeverWaitForIt
orange moron had his feefees hurt or wanted to appear strong or distract from his senate trial. The last I read, the reason why Soleimani
INeverWaitForIt
was even in Iraq was that he was invited there by the Iraqi PM at the behest of Trump/SA to defuse tensions. So he was invited to another
INeverWaitForIt
country for negotiations then assassinated. By the US. Probably because SA and/or Russia told him to, or his own shitty needs that were
INeverWaitForIt
irrelevant to foreign policy.
Alfadorfox
Exactly. Bush Jr. and Obama both wanted this guy dead for the same reasons; both decided against it because of the probable consequences.
CantankerousCantaloupe
He was just replaced by one of his lieutenants and Iran's Islamic Republic got a new powerful martyr it'll celebrate as long as it stands.
sc0ttied0g
Exactly. Killing Bin Laden was great, but it didn’t stop terrorism, it just provided them another Martyr ... and someone took his place.
CantankerousCantaloupe
Bin Laden was completely different, for one he wasn't in leadership anymore and was in hiding, and 9/11 was so massive US needed to get him.
DarthDrizzt42
And the fact that Soleimani was apparently lured into Iraq after trump asked the Iraqi PM to mediate with Iran for us. That's a bad look...
whiskeyvillage
Why now and not when Obama, Bush, or Clinton did this shit?
MidasTheAlchemist
Exactly. It's already been said that previous presidents have had opportunity to eliminate him and weighed against doing it.
Averien
... and Soleimani's been escalating his attacks and brutality. Sometimes, when a problem gets worse, you need to deal with it differently.
cowabungajunkie
They attacked our embassy which is an act of war. They should have been thinking of the repercussion.
GinoTheIntern
And we bombed a civilian airliner of theirs, and they took an embassy hostage, and we backed a coup to oust their Prime Minister, etc.
serpentinebaboo
I mean, they encouraged the protests that attacked the embassy. They didn’t personally send soldiers/militia. It wasn’t an organized attack.
Uglytattoos
So because they are dumbasses it’s cool for us to be equally stupid?
cowabungajunkie
They committed an act of war. If they attacked a Starbucks in California would you feel the same way, cause there is no difference
Uglytattoos
Please spend five minutes reading american actions in Iran since the fifties. We’ve done a lot more than attack a Starbucks
bill3482
How about the siezure of the oil tankers, shooting down the drone, backing hamas and isis objectives? All good reasons to make a stand
YourMomsSidePiece
How would you react to an attack on an embassy?
Uglytattoos
With a planned out and controlled response that didn’t endanger other Americans. Scary concept
YourMomsSidePiece
That's a hollow answer. You didn't give any details of what you think would be appropriate or effective, ir how you think you could
CAWriter
And don’t trust 45 to have made an informed decision.
IMayOrMayNotHaveTroubleFindingAndOrChoosingAUsername
*worried about how his death was executed, the precedents it sets and the repercussions.
SardonicGrin
Prediction: this thread will present ample evidence of his point. TDS (aka orange man bad syndrome) will be prominent as the locals have to
SardonicGrin
Swallow their boogers first before trying to shape a point that doesn't highlight their rampant syndrome.
c00lbeans69
Fuck that guy. I'm glad he's dead. But I guess y'all dont even care about funding a third war while we're still occupying Afghanistan and
c00lbeans69
Iraq. We have an issue with this being handled rashly in a way that will escalate existing conflicts into an actual war
bill3482
Has the us economy always boomed during and after war?
MissMittens
Okay boomer
bill3482
When you dont have a good response, okay snowflakey
Youhavinagiraffe
Exactly, there are lots of evil people who in the world who deserve to be dead... doesn't in any way mean that killing them is a good idea.
Youhavinagiraffe
Having said that I don't know anywhere near enough to make my own judgements on something like this... hopefully someone in the room does.
mikaandmilodogs
^this. china is asshole doesnt mean we want open warfare with them
bill3482
Not here! His death was long overdue as is many others that murder and direct terrorism through proxies
HitandRyan
I’m worried about how Trump’s gov’t is full of folks who dreamt up the Iraq War and now want to try for a bigger and better sequel.
HonestCommentFarmer
Fortunately, it seems that Trump's central pillar of foreign policy is a very Monroe-ian one: nonintervention as much as possible.
KissMikeLitorusSheSaid
So liberals are only worried about their own selfish fears and not the 1,000s of needless deaths due to #soliemni? I’m confused
KissMikeLitorusSheSaid
Judging by the downvoting, I’m right.
HiddenSanity
That's the narrative being implied a bit, I mean, it's not true, most of the concern is about Trump threatening cultural sites and such.
Uglytattoos
My selfish fears of other American soldiers (I’m a vet) and of innocent Americans being killed. I live in bumfuck, I’m not in danger
KissMikeLitorusSheSaid
My son is a Marine and I have fears too
KissMikeLitorusSheSaid
Thank you for your service brother.
VulcanP90
it's never been THAT he was killed, it's about HOW he was.
sc0ttied0g
It’s also THAT he was killed. He was truly one of the worst, but he still deserved a trial. Everyone deserves a trial.
somepersondoingsomethings
I'd love to live in that world but that's not reality.
sc0ttied0g
That’s kind of a shitty argument. It’s not reality because we’re making it not that reality.
somepersondoingsomethings
No it's not reality bc 90% of the world doesnt have the structure that it needs to reliably try criminals in this regard.
joeyjojosharknado
If you visit Twitter they don't seem like outliers anymore. Solution: don't visit Twitter.
ChetRandleman
lol don't be such pussies then, when there is evil in the world you have to do what is right no matter how hard it is
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sc0ttied0g
The trouble is ... “evil” is subjective.
ilsalta
Thanks Thanos.
ChetRandleman
at least thanos wasnt a pussy
KinetoPlay
Except he was. He claimed greed was the cause of suffering. He had a stone that gave him power over all the minds in the universe, he 1/2
KinetoPlay
Could have snapped his fingers and erased even the concept of greed. Comic book Thanos at least had a good reason for mass murder. 2/2
Bananabeanie
I guess, but he lost in the end.
ChetRandleman
well good thing were the good guys
scottEkarate
I'm just worried its gonna be open season for assassinating high ranking government officials travelling abroad now. Pompeo beware
Brickadilla
This. I also havent seen any reports that believe the terrible things that Soleimani did would stop by killing him.
alsoAzrael
Personally (as a liberal) I'm onboard with the idea of shutting down Iranian terror ops but question if this was the correct move. I don't 1
alsoAzrael
know enough to form a strong opinion but dislike the attempts to pre-emptively paint me as "siding with terrorists" just because I ask 2/
alsoAzrael
this question. 3/3
lindydanny
But making assumptions about question askers is basically how we get divided into liberal v conservative.
ghostofdragon
It’s because they’re painting the question as unpatriotic because it questions actions of the US. That’s literally it. I’m asking the same,>
ghostofdragon
but god forbid you critically think and ask a difficult question that people don’t readily have an answer for. >.>
somnif
Like, 45's claim that he'll target cultural sites as retaliation. THAT kinda... worries me. Publicly stating you'll break Geneva is... bad
PutItInNeutral
He doubled down on that shit again today.
ghostofcho
Break Geneva? How?
somnif
https://uscbs.org/geneva-conventions.html
ghostofcho
Thanks
somnif
The Geneva Convention makes it a war crime to intentionally target sites of cultural heritage
AverageCanadianTy
Yeah, that was a little strange.
Seggs
not really that strange. its very on brand for trump.
GinoTheIntern
I guess strange is one way to describe threatening to commit war crimes.
zFUBARz
I mean to be fair to him when was the last time the US really paid attention to their own war crimes anyway?
SharkyMcSnarkface
It’s a sad day when war crimes is only slightly strange for Impeached President Trump.
AverageCanadianTy
I mean, tweeting out that you intended to commit any crime ahead of time would be a little strange, no?
chromed
Depends how often you do it...
internetphd
The fact that Bush II and Obama both decided against taking him out because of the repercussions should tell you how poorly this was handled
klucky
Why the fuck do your presidents get the choice on military strikes!?
internetphd
Because they’re also the commander in chief; the head of all armed forces.
bill3482
Or they were too worried about their personal gains to make a good decision for the world. Could be a reflection of their corruption too
somepersondoingsomethings
Trump shouldnt make decisions based on the factors that led bush to make his 12-20 years ago or obama 4-8 years ago.
9gagsucksDonkeyballs
Situations change. Not executing an action 10 years ago does not automatically make it the correct decision today.
9gagsucksDonkeyballs
Not sure about the downvote, i was agreeing with you :-P
LondoMollariIsMySpiritAnimal
Clinton had multiple opportunities to take out bin Laden. He chose not to because of potential fallout. Hesitation =/= prudence.
UncleMeaty
Clinton tried. People said it was to distract from the Monica Lewinsky scandal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Infinite_Reach
internetphd
Clinton didn’t take him out because all of the opportunities were in the last couple of years in office. He said that he didn’t want to 1/2
internetphd
start a war that the new president would have to deal with as taking out bin Laden would have a lot or repercussions. 2/2
LondoMollariIsMySpiritAnimal
That's some great hand-wringing and justification that completely misses the point. Also, Clinton was okay enough with 11th hour actions
Crowlands
I still remember Trump's first approved military strike: it killed 30 civilians. He approved it because someone said "Obama would have -
Crowlands
- said no" to him. One of the victims was an 8 year old American girl.
BullfrogStormcroak
Source on that?
Crowlands
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_on_Yakla feel free to find news sources by searching further.
Wombatish
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/01/yemen-strike-eight-year-old-american-girl-killed-al-awlaki I'm not commenting on wording *c*
GadenKerensky
People are worried about a full war with Iran.
minipancho94
I'd be in line for a full war with iran provided we were backing their democratic revolution attempts. however i wouldnt trust our 1/2
minipancho94
government further than the cheetoh could run with his "bonespurs" to not have some ulterior motive, or fuck things up. 2/2
Akurei00
*the world. One nation calls for support from an ally and then another and another. It's precisely what happened in both WW's
nipplepanties
Iran has used the word war, in recent retaliation. Concerns are valid.
bill3482
Good job media for blowing things out of proportion as usual
jpparkenbone
If only there was some precedent for a large scale war being started from a single assassination....
KingAardvark1st
People have gone to war for less significant things, including: a bell, a bucket, a love triangle, and of course assassinating an archduke
Camelspotting
People go to war when there's something to win. What would Iran win?
GraphicsInterchangeFormat
Wtf is Iran gonna do? They’re completely and totally outmatched and outclassed in every single facet of “war”.
ShaggyCabbage
I dunno, let’s ask Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq
gangsta0tech
Afghanistan and Iraq are not actual wars like it would be with iran. But I will give you Vietnam.
IHaveAMemeForThis
Even if they are I don't know about you but I don't want any more loss of life than necessary
Hotfarts
True, they are but they’re also kind of small in the bigger picture. There’s loss of life from all sides, private and military, effects on >
Hotfarts
Global economy, effects on global oil supplies, allies are formed, cyber attacks which could expose personal info to the web, extra cost >
Hotfarts
Associated with ramping defense and fixing damage already done as well as what will come. Potential to effect banking and federal systems>
BullfrogStormcroak
Suffer massive civilian casualties? That's kind of a reasonable thing to be worried about.
LadiesInboxMeYourInsecurities
Guerrilla warfare was made for this exact purpose and is extraordinarily effective when you know the force you're against cannot/will not→
Camelspotting
We'd be pretty happy just taking out the top leadership.
LadiesInboxMeYourInsecurities
And then the international backlash of not stepping in to stabilize the region and other political repercussions just as the last 20 years.
vikingvampireangel
I mean. That's exactly what they were doing beforehand. So what's the difference?
LadiesInboxMeYourInsecurities
Polarization of the populace as well as active aggression on our part means more active warfare by them.
LadiesInboxMeYourInsecurities
Unilaterally annihilate you and any civilian casualties with weapons of mass destruction.
GraphicsInterchangeFormat
Let’s not kid ourselves here.
GadenKerensky
The only way to fight it is to basically create an army of guerrillas of your own, from your own forces. Mostly because, even though they >
lagkiller
At no point would the US invade Iran. There is nothing to gain. It would be a bombing mission at best
LadiesInboxMeYourInsecurities
You say that but our history in the region is quite different.
GinoTheIntern
What did we have to gain in Iraq?
LadiesInboxMeYourInsecurities
Not saying I don't agree that would be the best option; it would be, but I doubt it's what we'll actually do.
thatsright123
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9b1DG86a4k So you may think.
thatsright123
For the lazy: Marine general is appointed commander of "Iranian like" military in wargames in 2002 and fucking decimates America.
GraphicsInterchangeFormat
Do they allow UAV drone strikes in war games?
JeezusJuice
Shit, if you lose a simulation and learn, you’re ahead. When you ignore all possible lessons, you’re doomed. With the advance of AI, though,
ohwhocaresanyway
Anyone who is upset about his death is a moron. People are upset about how it was handled and the bs trump has tweeted afterwards.
randomyOCE
Yes. If claims are true that he was lured to the airport with talks of peace to be assassinated, it’s vile.
Alfadorfox
VERY YES
EncomEmployee
Thank you, this tweet stream is misleading. It's trying to silence people who hate the un-proportional response by claiming they r ignorant
lindydanny
Just because someone doesn't see the whole picture doesn't mean they can't be concerned. Sort of weird to me that people think otherwise.
somepersondoingsomethings
Unproportional response to what?
EncomEmployee
This is a reaction to the attack on the embassy. It was not clearly military (although probably supported) and 1 low level soldier died
EncomEmployee
All of that was a response to our drone attacks which killed dozens. Killing a general is an act of war when there was no reasonable reason
Uglytattoos
And trump’s proven lack of forethought in planning for them
tannenbanannen
Yup. Suleimani was a fucked dude but now that Trump is “targeting cultural sites” in Iran, we lost all possible credibility from that.
Uglytattoos
Insert “are we the baddies” meme here
frood42
https://imgur.com/ScIFw9P
tannenbanannen
He was literally in Iraq to negotiate with the US, with the Iraqi government acting as a conduit. We allegedly asked him to show up.
SneakyEmu2
Exactly how sure are you that that information is correct?
DanAndsome
Show evidence of that. He was meeting with the Quds funded militias storming the embassy.
tannenbanannen
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7854971/amp/Soleimani-Iraq-discuss-escalating-tensions-Saudis-killed-PM-says.html
fpsnoob
Where are you getting this from?
tannenbanannen
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7854971/amp/Soleimani-Iraq-discuss-escalating-tensions-Saudis-killed-PM-says.html
tannenbanannen
Now what kind of picture does this paint? “We just want to talk.” *gets fucking obliterated by 30lbs of high explosive*
drunkwhenididthis
Until you see a source, you probably shouldn't jump to conclusions
tannenbanannen
Whatever diplomatic standing we once had in the Middle East has been completely and utterly demolished. And for what? I see no gains here.
waitwasthatreal
Mind sourcing that? I haven’t heard about that.
tannenbanannen
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7854971/amp/Soleimani-Iraq-discuss-escalating-tensions-Saudis-killed-PM-says.html