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DannyDoggo
I guess if you had a truck that was equiped with shit that could kill hundreds, not one hundred, you better believe we need truck control.
allegedlynerdy
It is illegal to strap a bunch of spikes to the front of a truck
DannyDoggo
That's called: Truck Control.
roakira5102
only way for everyone to be safe is if we all dead .everyone is dead then I won't have to worry about someone...no wait I'm dead too shit.
angeldaviduceta1
Ive been driving a 40 tons vehicle 70 feet long for 2 years near crowds of thousands sometimes,but i cant be trusted with a gun?
LiteralNazi
Yay more drivers on Imgur. Who saod you couldn't be trusted with a gun?
TuffyT20
Don't bring a sedan to a truck fight
PeteTusk
Drive away from the truck fight with a sedan.
batalanah
Gun control laws don't affect the people who use guns for crime, it affects the everyday citizen who abides by them.
IratetheD
what the guy who just killed all those people in Vegas not an everyday citizen before he chose to kill everyone?
NeutralPitStopCommenter
This is a neutral comment. Feel free to pit stop here before continuing to browse.
TheReboundGuy
i actually hate rain because my dad died from drowning in the flood and I also hate flames because my mom died from third degree burns.
Grevling89
I really needed this, thanks!
Kobbz
emberlin
This is surprisingly comforting.
beardedwolf
I love this <3
JifLover
Sometimes you just need to a respite from the bickering and I appreciate you.
CambianDarkhorse
Thank you for the stop but open flames may offended younger viewers
Darthtutt
I feel relaxed and refreshed. Now back to anger and hostility.
CowboyScientist
You're doing Zod's work.
Jarzii
You and your comment are beautiful. Thank you.
dartron5000
This is like the dark souls bonfire of imgur.
NeutralPitStopCommenter
Gotcha fam
paulpounder
Chandler920
It's as if you're there for every stressful situation handing out Xanax.
NeutralPitStopCommenter
ThatsMysecretCap.gif
whatspaulplayingtoday
Thanks bro.
SoybeanLumberjack
Ok there, Toblerone!
Russellstiltskin
I didn’t realize how much I needed this
Meatsickle
Entropy is the only true law.
Bigdawg0811
Never change good imagurian
PandraPierva
ccan i sleep here?
SocialMediaMakesUsLessSocial
This is basically imgur's version of a "safe space".
imhoots
DevilsArsehole
Lovely, makes the hair on my neck stand up.
Cresset
So rain is neutral now? What about the plight of the homeless people? Your agenda can't fool me, you mother-
filthystink
Just needs one more thing: http://33.media.tumblr.com/98eccc12164ee25b0f34b8b35b6fb575/tumblr_mgzjf8zSfJ1qgibpgo1_500.gif
Dontdeprivemeofmydelusion
Where is this from? Because that head in the background actually makes it a little creepy...
TheGreyKnightsBANNED
its your inner daemons comings out to say "GET TO WORK FUCKER!"
Bandignomette
Great now I really would like a proper cup of tea.
tekkblade
Can you imagine background checks on driving? Having to pay and obtain a license in every state? Wait periods on car purchases?
nicepersonbadbreath
Before you post a comment, ask yourself: "am I as informed as I am opinionated?". Thank you.
tootscootinboogie
I'm gonna remember this for when I can't hold back from trolling the trolls.
CR500rider
This is the best comment I've seen in a long time
nicepersonbadbreath
Thank you for your compliment :)
poilck
Using actual facts? That's so 2015
definitelynotawolf
We use alternative facts in 2017
CyborgScribe
Much less uncomfortable than real facts. Just slides right up in thar.
Opportunist
G'wan with your 'logic' and 'reason'!
PostNutDepression
That didn't stop Trump and now he's unfortunately running this place.
pfiidude2
He is not more opininated than knowledgable. He is knowledgable of which oppinions offer him more votes.
CyborgScribe
But not about all the other stuff he has opinions on. Except maybe food in his home state and city.
NickRivieraMD
I like to ask myself, "Do I need everyone to hear my opinion that's exactly the same as 20 other opinions already posted?" Yes. Always yes
MightyMorphinPowerPenguins
Yes.
barnwolf
Yes, because I am neither informed nor opinionated. The real question is 'Am I troll'. The answer to that is also yes.
StevieWundaBred
90% of the time, the answers no.
BigDaddyHall
They first comment worth upvoting.
AgainstMethod
I spend a lot of time as an 'expert' in my field, and I keep having to stop to remember I don't know what I'm talking about in this case.
SonBro
Damn that's good shit right there.
FraudulentPepsi
I don't care what side you're on, this should be at the top
nicepersonbadbreath
I'm on no side.
HappyCycling612
You only have to be more informed/opinionated than the person who is trying to debate you.
FromNEE
Good point npbb he could have done this with other things like hmmm WTF ? Really dude ? Aww and look at all the hillbillies that agree.
SupraLove
Fuck... I gotta save this quote for later. Well done.
FeminineBeeOnslaught
No
Attaroo
Dunning Kruger ensures that the least informed are the most opinionated.
Suntok
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts."
nicepersonbadbreath
tru
IKnowItWasNotDeleted
If every person there had had a vehicle with them, do you think he would have killed all those people?
PeteTusk
Wow it's the solution - everyone be in a truck at all times. If everyone lived in a bulletproof truck, would solve gun massacres as well!
MangoMonster7
No just truck masacres
six187
More like truck demolition derby!
Rulweylan
I still love the idea of hundreds of people randomly unloading handguns in the direction of an occupied hotel. That would've helped.
Shargan8
Even if they had rifles, it would have caused such mayhem and confusion!
MELexclamationmark
Sure what if one these people drives badly ?
DIsiahTBillingsClyde2
Michael Bay: Gotchu fam
jake96
This is so irresponsible! Can you imagine the greenhouse gas emissions if we had one vehicle per every adult in the US? Insane.
kkanne20
that shit would be like bumper cars!
kerms
Well...no. I suppose he wouldn't have.
StrayLilCat
-but then how will the cops tell the good trucks from the bad trucks?
onepiecereactiongifs
probably not tbh
ihaveaboringusername
If he had a silent electric car, he could have killed more
MaddPainting
Yes..... no question at all, it was 1000's of people, you cant out run a 40mph vehicle within 45sec to a minute.
thechelonianshelmet
Theoretically with a load of fuel cans, say a pile of nuts mixed through and a match, yes
Leeloothedog
I don't know what side of the fence you're on... cuz technically no... if he drove a vehicle into a gaggle of vehicles would be few deaths
flavivsaetivs
According to the laws of Physics, no, he wouldn't have.
mindstorm8191
If every person there had a gun, do you think he would have killed so many people? Hate the criminals, not the guns
mindstorm8191
Hmm, this sounds harsh, not being personal. But seriously, he must have been the only one there w/ a weapon
StrayLilCat
Yes, yes he would have. He was in a hotel, not at the music festival.
TheGame21x
The only thing stopping a bad guy with a truck is a good guy with a truck!
r0b0tc0rpse
Actually, yes.
IKnowItWasNotDeleted
Lmao
LychFinderGeneral
Isn't this the plot of the Fast and Furious series?
JumpingBalogna
Now that you mention it...yeah.
UnknownSquid
Except if the bad guy has a tank, which is why I will only ever live in a state that permits unrestricted open tank ownership.
OmgOptimized
What about concealed carry restrictions?
IMCloseToTheEdge
That remind me at a scene from BabyDriver
xuriV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GabjXa16P8
Kregular365
An RPG would Stop a truck, I guess
SecondSince
And you could go for a concealed driving license so you'd always have your truck handy.
eraser1
Reminds me of the tank from ant man lol
Opportunist
No-one expects...concealed truck!!
BADD0GGIE
Is that a truck in your pocket or are you happy to see me? Issa truck.
codylishush
+1
PolarHailStorm
I feel like this is the start of Carmaggedon.
MyOtherCarisAUnicycle
There will be no survivors.
CocaineAndSelfPleasure
That game was the shit.
PolarHailStorm
Aye lad.
imAUser
Christine
Thanshin
Truck Wars : The Truckening. On theaters Q1 2018
usedbeer
Didn't they make mad max already?
Opportunist
That's some fast (and Furious?) filming!
Thanshin
Madder Max
EdmondAlmond
they actually would have all been pretty safe because of the protection a truck could provide
BecauseCanadian
Yes, but I think the joke was if they all had trucks from a truck attack. Okay yes still your answer would be true
IKnowItWasNotDeleted
That's what I was saying
TheReboundGuy
maybe we can build guns that you can sit inside as well...
d3vilsavocado
I think they're called tanks
50m31AW
Don't forget abot the flying guns you can sit in. Good ol' A-10 Warthog BRRRRRRRRRRRRT
TheReboundGuy
what is this thread even about anymore?
xrufus7x
To a degree but store bought 5.56 can penetrate car.
StevieWundaBred
Can penetrate reality itself.
Scrobocop
Pst, in this analogy, the shooter is attacking with a truck. Comparative to everyone in the crowd having a firearm.
EdmondAlmond
In the Vegas scenario, I dont know how much push the 5.56 would have after traveling that far at the angle to go through metal and kill
xrufus7x
I mean, I am no bulletologist but I don't think the metal on top of a car is really thick. I have seen .223 penetrate thin medal from 1/2
xrufus7x
2/2 100 yards so I wouldn't rule it out.
MaSu10
After reading these comments, it's very clear Americans don't know the actual gun rules/laws in their own country.
GothmogLordofBalrogs
considering each state has different laws. yeah.
beefsupr3me
incorrect. gun owners know the laws. non gun owners likely do not. "Americans" is too vague dont you think?
g1161
I'm pretty sure not every gun owner knows all the laws. With all the different state laws, it's highly unlikely.
beefsupr3me
reminds me of other drivers on the road. they own a car but yield is an unknown concept apparently
g1161
Pretty much. Or using your blinkers. So, it's stupid to say every gun owner knows the laws, because they don't.
d0o0o0d
The ones who own firearms generally do. The ones who don't tend to believe a lot of hollywood bullshit.
fleacollerindustry
I'm a foreigner, and even *I* know that guns are a right in the US, driving isn't. You can't license a right, like "free speech license".
Zangakkar
This right here. So many people who are anti gun I've spoken with don't even know the laws for their state.
TheDuke0fHazzard
I take them to the range to shoot my AR and other "assault weapons." Usually helps them to understand my point, even if they don't agree.
IamMelonLordeYaYaYa
I don't honestly think there is an anti-gun platform. I'm fairly certain it's about not letting one person amass 42 weapons or buy mods (1)
rollercostarican
not entirely true, im pretty anti gun, i'm content with compromising on limitations, but i dont find guns to be all that necessary.
IamMelonLordeYaYaYa
I didn't say you don't exist, I said you don't have a platform in the correct political climate. No legislators are trying to rid all guns.
IamMelonLordeYaYaYa
to facilitate FA machine fire. And restricting those with mental health issues, amongst others. (2/2)
ThrowMamaFromTheTrain
The mental health issue is great on paper, but in practice is troubling. What is the standard? Is it subject to abuse to take guns away 1
CyborgScribe
He said, somehow forgetting state laws exist. Are you not from the USA?
PlatonicPancake
Literally every state is different. Do you expect everyone to know every gun law in every state?
ThrowMamaFromTheTrain
It is clear you do,t understand how the US works re: republic of individual states.
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ThrowMamaFromTheTrain
Lol...no.
MarxAvenger
In NH, yes; CA, no.
StevieWundaBred
The laws don't change that much from State to state. People in America would rather just
StevieWundaBred
Be ignorant to our laws and the firearms they govern so they can screech "control duh guns" from the rooftops.
rollercostarican
lol they can change pretty drastically actually
StevieWundaBred
Generally speaking the more South and West you go, the less the guns are regulated. And vice versa.
TheDuke0fHazzard
They change a helluva lot. I live in NJ. Bringing certain guns to CT or NY to shoot with friends is a felony.
StevieWundaBred
My point being it's not like learning a new language each time you go to a new state. Pretty easy to understand overall.
TheDuke0fHazzard
But it is. The definition of assault weapon is different depending on what state you're in.
StevieWundaBred
Well yes because of mag limits in NY but other than that, it's pretty small changes. CA and NY being exceptions.
TheDuke0fHazzard
I have a pistol grip, muzzle brake, and foregrip on my AR. All illegal in NY, regardless of magazine capacity.
Bambi577
The laws can vary pretty wildly from state to state. Just a part of being this Frankenstein of mininations.
PubstarHero
CA requires you to pass a firearms safety test, DROS, waiting period (10 days), all AR with 'evil features' have to be reg'd with the state
tootscootinboogie
And sadly I'm in TX where my bf (responsible guy) was able to purchase a handgun in less than 30min without a license. He now has his CHL.
Tunaccat
Fun fact, the vast majority of guns used in Chicago crimes are brought in from out of state.
Tunaccat
https://www.chicagocriminallawyerblog.net/2017/09/where-do-all-illegal-guns-from-chicago.html
GuyDarras
They also have an average time-to-crime in excess of 10 years as per ATF trace data.
Tunaccat
Too many guns, too easy to get.
bedsound
Yeah but you legally can't add conditions on to rights
OmenJones
Yes, you can. If you don't think most of your rights are already conditional you're just ignorant.
magichal
Yes you can; that's what the Supreme Court is for.
bedsound
The Supreme Court with 5/9 seats held by republican nominees
magichal
I didn't say it was a good thing.
jsavidge
You mean like not negligently yelling “Fire” in a crowded theater, or does that not fall into the kind of condition you are referring to?
bedsound
That's not a condition that's a reasonable restriction. I'm pro-gun control, I'm just saying you're going to have a hard time with that
jsavidge
Thank you for the clarification.
weinertip
The problem with yelling fire is NOT the speech but the call to action.
rollercostarican
lol yes you can. Age limit to vote for one.
bedsound
There's age limits for firearms as well. Poll taxes are unconstitutional because they add conditions to your voting rights.
rollercostarican
right, but im saying conditions exist, so its not like making limitations is a new or unheard of thing
Logan9Fingers
Lets solve this discussion right here in these comments with 140 characters.
Sugarblade
The gang solves the gun crisis.
80percentlegs
LustrousShadow
To be fair, we're apparently unable to 'solve the discussion' regardless of the format..
Choiced
Yeah, but like..people talking about issues is how progress is made. For a lot of us, Imgur is the only medium we use for mass communication
ChristianisLate
I can do it in 3. Shh
wiilyc22
Why bother with the FBI and other experts, the answers are always and solutions are always right on Imgur.
datma
The post itself solves it
Penguin90
All of those limitations are already in place for gun ownership.
datma
Really? You're legally required to have liability insurance for your weapons?
Penguin90
No. Why would you need it?
Unsafefurball
I mean he just did so
Zombeavers
If the cheeto can do it, so can we
TheUpdootist
140 characters is more than enough: "Don't be a fuckwad to people."
Heisanevilgenius
Dat nuance tho
ThisIsSteel
Peace has been declared, no one will murder ever again.
Cresset
But we did had "Murder is illegal" written down... somewhere. Shouldn't it have stopped already?
iScreenshotGifsAndUseThemToComment
Could have skipped 10 commandments and just had this 1.
RascaruRaccoon
I've been waiting for this day https://youtu.be/CE8ooMBIyC8
Insanitydividedbyzero
Be excellent to One another
RevanTheJedi
He did it. He stopped the anger and suffering. Now buddhists can go fuck themselves, they aren't needed anymore.
AgainstMethod
I said this years ago and people somehow continued being fuckwads to each other. Maybe it'll work this time.
ICarpeYourDiems
What if they're being a fuckwad to you? Doesn't matter! Don't do it!
JazzHandsFan
"And don't shoot people while you're at it"
Venusflytripp
"Or drive your truck into people"
scatter
I don't understand.
TheUpdootist
Maybe you're more of a cuntbag person, as in "Don't be a cuntbag to people."
ICarpeYourDiems
You just increased the rules to 200%!!!
Venusflytripp
Bam! Amended.
eetsumkaus
the problem is that means different things to different people...
mikeybott
200 something now!
mikeybott
Well on Twitter anyway...
IWishIHadASoul
Wow! Now with 25% more characters
Casually
The second comment wasn't to solve the issue, it was to point out the first argument doesn't hold water.
IThinkYouGotAFineBrainJack
STOP KILLING PEOPLE, ASSHOLES. THE REST OF MY CHARACTERS, ONE HUNDRED AND TEN OF THEM, IS DEDICATED TO PEOPLE WHO AREN'T MURDERING FUCKTARDS
eroso
Thanks! These were pretty honoring characters.
wiilyc22
At least some of them were idiots, how dare you assume they were all fucktards.
riceronijones360
Take it easy. We can all hear you.
KevinGrzyb
MrTrevorBelmont
this
Cresset
Especially right after a shooting, when everyone is pissed off and on the defensive. Perfect environment for discussing laws and regulations
StevieWundaBred
Yeayeayeayeayea
StevieWundaBred
Perfect environment for civil and insightful conversations
eroso
We can make trucks less lethal, and so we can make guns less lethal. Modifications Vegasman used could easily be made illegal to sell.
Trollslegur
I'm not even gonna attempt to tell you how autistic you are...
eroso
Now even NRA bosses seem to agree with me and they support regulation against bump stocks. So how I'm autistic again? Bc I'm so genious?
eroso
Bump stocks are an easy and justified ban. There is a reason why those rifles aren't automatic, bump stock is a cheat to that law.
SaraFourImgur
This argument always seems silly to me. You can reply to your own comments as much as you like 1/50
Logan9Fingers
You are right of course. Its fully possible to have a discussion here. Its just that it tends to de-rail into: "Your moms the fattest".
PatrickRob82
He did it btw. Just in case you don't want to go that far on mobile. I did and now I can taste colors.
aSheepAmongWolves
FYI I went through and +1 all your 50 comments cause of the effort you put on making your point and cause I have nothing going on in my live
haimur
Fifty comments?!
SaraFourImgur
Like so. 2/50
ronkooby
Holy shit! I only went like 10 deep, and I'm impressed. So, how you doin?
SaraFourImgur
Pre good
SaraFourImgur
Merp!! 3/50
SaraFourImgur
See? Magic! 4/50
SaraFourImgur
Am I really going to reply 50 times??! Find out on the next exciting episode of—Dragon.Ball.Z!! 5/50
TinySupreme
Do you really think ALL the people who run over crowds are worried about registering their vehicles tho?
bout2callbovice
Gun laws are never going to reduce shootings to zero, but they'll help. If they prevent even one death, it's worth it.
TinySupreme
Don't forget that guns can save lives too
bout2callbovice
Of course! I still support the right for people to own a handgun or rifle for home defense. But I think these high-ROF weapons are too much.
StevieWundaBred
And surely when they see a "no vehicle zone" sign they will abide by it and not take advantage of everyone in the building without vehicles.
WithPride
To be fair, a guy like that wouldn't give a single fuck about insurance if he was going to die anyways.
LvAllen
To be even fairer, you can't insure against intentional acts.
curlymike3
You can literally insure anything
LvAllen
No, you really can't. Liability polices do not cover intentional acts. They can't. There's no way to quantify the risk of a purposeful act.
popejubal
So should we get rid of all of our laws just because someone could ignore that law?
imgurforants
So we should make more laws even though it won't fix the problem?
ratfaceddog
It's telling that you answered the question with a question.
StrayLilCat
I mean- it worked in Australia, Japan, Spain, Canada, Germany, Ireland, Denmark...and so on.
allanrimban
How do you know it won't fix the problem? You're dismissing it already without even giving it a chance. Doing nothing changes nothing.
popejubal
It won't fix 100% of the problems, but it can improve the situation in general. Because most people *do* want to obey the laws.
mallic
Won't address the mass shooting problem at all. They are already committed to breaking the law...
popejubal
It addresses a crapton of other problems and restricting access to some weapons can stop some people even if we can't stop all.
CopyPasteProgrammer
So make murder legal since murders are already committed to breaking the law... ?
JoSTL15
We’re better off fixing the mental health issues. That dude shouldn’t have ever had a gun.
popejubal
Mental health issues are also important and it would be awesome to have a congress that didn't cut mental health coverage for Americans.
mailman7777777
What good would that do if he was driving a stolen truck?
HiImPizza
Can't stop all crimes but we can at least make it harder for criminals and discourage some.
Fenderzilla
Yeah, why have laws at all when criminals will just break them?
fripding
Trucks don’t kill people, people kill people.
WhoIsFlabbergasted
SteveBannonsYogaInstructor
Nukes don't kill people, people kill people.
Eastfield
Zyklon B doesn't kill people, people kill people.
Sean5
Exactly. Why should us responsible nuke owners be made to suffer.
Predicto
Veaponized Anthrax doesn't kill people, people kill people
Jaeno
I think the difference between a right and a privilege needs to be discussed with some of you.
killer10347
There are no such things as rights. If rights can be taken away from you for some reason, they are not rights. They're privileges.
Skawomplious
No time for that, too busy upvoting facile comparisons and feeling righteous about ourselves. Something Must Be Done!
minabear
When the bills were written, women couldn't vote and black people were slaves. So, maybe it's not so wildly unconscionable to make updates.
Jaeno
There were slaves, but the constitution itself said that all men are created equal. I think the document is better than current politics.
fleacollerindustry
(2/2) that other people find inconvenient. The key question is: how do you update the 2nd Amend. that wont sent a precedent to other rights?
fleacollerindustry
As a foreigner, even I know that any changes made to specific rights which people find inconvenient can be applies to any other right (1/X)
flapperfemmefatale
Voting is a right that is restricted way more than gun ownership
kaztas
How so? Guns and Voting are Age restricted. Taken away if you are a felon. Guns have ID as mandatory, voting does not.
flapperfemmefatale
Additionally, there's the registration factor. Guns should be as easy to record and track as votes
flapperfemmefatale
Well for starters, there are no loopholes for "private" voting.
kaztas
Except there are already debates of illegal votes because of lack of restrictions
flapperfemmefatale
Exactly. Why should voting be harder to do than buying a gun?
FraudulentPepsi
I think the difference between a militia and an individual needs to be discussed with some of you.
2235561776
the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed
FraudulentPepsi
Now copy and paste the rest of it.
soulhunter24
Also look at historical context as well. Words tend to change meaning over time
MOTHERFUCKING
Shh.. don't come in here and start talking about wording, they don't like that.
TheFlyingSheep
But muh writes
FraudulentPepsi
Words are the bane of their very existence.
MOTHERFUCKING
Because the reality that they've been lied to for decades by corporate interests would be hard for anyone to believe.
rifles
Rifle homicides in the US are statistically tiny. If you all want to make change, fix minority impoverishment and crime statistics.
WeedlordBonerLover69
also, ban guns.
TroutYabo
Yea drugs too while you're at it!
WeedlordBonerLover69
no.
drunkarius
a) except at mass shootings, where they're deadly. b) we can regulate handguns too! c) hey, why not both fix poverty and regulate guns?
rifles
Handguns are the primary weapon used in homicides in the US. ARs and AKs statistically make up less than half a percent of firearm homicides
TroutYabo
Machine guns as a whole have been illegal to civilians since 1986.
rifles
Not saying machine guns, semi-auto ar15s and AKs. Rifle murders in general are a tiny fraction of all firearm homicides as well.
TroutYabo
I agree I'd think that most of the handgun homicides are from inner city violence and since that is such a high % of overall murders.
KaratekaKid
Funnily enough, here in the UK we limited handguns after one school shooting, and suddenly gun crime dropped... It's almost as if laws work.
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
You see due to the archaic ads backwards way our system was set up most laws are state by state. So for a lot of things going across 1/2
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
State lines nullifies laws. Gun laws are one of them. That's why Chicago has good gun laws but has bad gun crime because nearby states 2/3
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
Have very little gun laws. And amendments are impossible because of again archaic undemocratic system. 3/÷
The502nd
But other kinds of crime went up, if I remember correctly homicide actually went up.
KaratekaKid
It only went up in a statistically significant way 5 years later, and currently we have less than 1000 total illegal guns in circulation 1/
KaratekaKid
Alongside that, less than 2% of people are the victim of a "violent" crime each year, and less than 1% of the population actually gets 2/
mallic
Just going to throw this out there, but there is literally NO way to ascertain the number of illegal guns in circulation. You can make one
KyleBeach
But homicide wasn't really altered and I believe is up now. People just started going to their kitchen drawer for a knife instead.
CyborgScribe
When was the last time a mass knifer stabbed six hundred people from a hotel window? Guns are a lot easier to carry out mass killings with.
KaratekaKid
That is an issue, but growing up in an area with quite a lot of PYG members, they actually thought people who carried knives were idiots 1/
KaratekaKid
Simply because if you get caught with one and don't have a damn good reason you're going down, and it can start an investigation into 2/
KyleBeach
But what im trying to say is that is a poor example to back your argument. Saying gun bans work because all those gun homicides are now
UrKungFuNoGood
but fuck white impoverishment. those are just dumb fucking trailer trash. how magnanimous of you
rifles
Good job equating minority to ethnicity, not to economics or social standing.
UrKungFuNoGood
no surprise you don't have the balls to own your words.
rifles
lol nice try
rifles
For real though, I live in a suburb of a 75% white demographic city with horrible crime statistics and awful poverty statistics
rifles
I also trace family back to and own property in the Appalachian part of my state where I personally know people so poor they provide (1)
rifles
Get ransacked, stripped of anything valuable, and then the remains burned down by these same people. The country has a major problem. (3)
rifles
A large chunk of their family's food by poaching year-round. Too poor to move, too poor to stay. I can't build a cabin because they all (2)
mallic
Shh, that doesn't fit the narrative. You can't say that here.
KaratekaKid
Actually, it's a big point. You want to limit gun crime? Limit handguns. They are used in far more gun crime.
mallic
Incidentally, I agree with that sentiment. But that's not really what they try to ban all the time >_<
KaratekaKid
I talked about this somewhere else, but the anti-gun side needs to learn more about guns. Our laws came from our version of the gun lobby 1/
KaratekaKid
So they knew what they were talking about. However we don't really have ideology driven politics as much as the US does. That's a problem 2/
killer10347
Sexualsquid
ObviousPseudonym
Wasn't this data based on self reporting which when looked at further found that they used anecdotes from years back as recent self defence?
ObviousPseudonym
If I remember correctly events should only have been from the last year, but they added in old events and times the gun didn't add anything.
TemporaryUzername
Can you imagine that? Somefuck renting a truck with fake/real ID and then plowing into a crowd because they don't intend to survive anyway?
popejubal
Since criminals will just break the law anyway, why put these burdensome restrictions on law abiding car owners!?!?!1!
PeteTusk
Why wouldn't I be able to imagine that? Comes to mind immediately, even.
wiilyc22
Done. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/jul/14/nice-bastille-day-france-attack-promenade-des-anglais-vehicle
RageSamurai
it was sarcasm
MatadoR32
THAT WAS THE POINT OF THE SARCASM. THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THE SARCASM.
wiilyc22
Wombatish
Somefuck doesn't even have to show ID to get a gun so long as he can get his ass to the local convention center or community rec and *c*
Wombatish
*c* doesn't live in one of like 6 states.
Wombatish
It's 9 states* my bad https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_show_loophole
LinearAlgebro
uh no, learn the laws before you speak aight?
Wombatish
Uh yes, a private seller selling from their personal collection has no obligation to record the transfer or run a background check in *c*
Wombatish
*c* most states. Face to face sale. Many choose to do so, but it's not the law. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_show_loophole
LinearAlgebro
still illegal to sell guns to felons, kids, etc. Not illegal to loan/sell a car to a felon
Wombatish
Only illegal if you have reason to know they're a felon. Don't wanna check and turns out they are? No problem. I also said nothing about *c*
Wombatish
Also, are you really arguing that all terrorists and/or mass-killers are felons? Cause lol no.
Necropox
Wait a second.. that guy is on to something - why AREN'T gun owners required to carry insurance? That would allow private company vetting.
definitelynotawolf
That...is a very good idea
jake96
Right? This seems like a great step. Also I'd bet insurance rates would be much higher if you had a large collection of weapons.
andthedicestoppedrolling
Insurance for what part of gun ownership
andthedicestoppedrolling
?
StrayLilCat
Suicide and accidental injury cost. Both increase with guns in the house.
UrKungFuNoGood
every gun owner is one bad day away from a mass shooting of course!
Germanswisscheese
Every vehicle owner is one bad day away from an accident.
flarflarf
If I want to own a truck and never use it on public roads there is no paperwork, no license, no training and no insurance.
flarflarf
just like if i want to simply own a gun.
originalsh4rpie
Anything is possible if you do it illegally.
flarflarf
its perfectly legal. you can own any kind of truck and drive it all you want w/o insurance or license as long as you do so on your own roads
flarflarf
now if you want to drive on public roads, it's different. Just like if you want to carry a gun in public. In most states, anyway, OC is dumb
originalsh4rpie
If you buy a new car, dealers make you transfer title and get registered. If used, youre legally suppose to transfer title.
flarflarf
no. the seller signs a document releasing liability. the new owner is responsible for the rest. From a dealership would be weird.
originalsh4rpie
In my state, the only legally acceptable document is whose name the title is in. Not some document releasing liability, that wont hold up.
flarflarf
that's the way it works in CA anyway.
flarflarf
you do not have to have a title for a car if it never leaves your property.
Carleyrabidsen
The scariest thing, to me, is that you all can legally reproduce without a license. I can't even go fishing without government approval.
PeopleSeemToHaveLongNamesOnImgur
Are you serious or being hyperbolic? It blows my mind to think anyone is ok with that level of governmental control.
Carleyrabidsen
I'm just being a smartass. Less government is better. But... we shouldn't be subsidizing people to have children.
Plastik
Smart ass here. China had something like that. and it worked for them. 1 child per family. Worked so well it's 2 now.
PsycheClone
I imagine it wouldn't be as easy staying hidden in the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay while plowing a concert crowd with a truck.
Genini
He killed himself. Why would he need to stay hidden?
PsycheClone
He left a bunch of ammo in his car, I bet his plan didn't play out like he expected.
HappyEngineer
PsycheClone
Great Scott, don't give them ideas!
UrKungFuNoGood
how many do you think would be dead before he could be stopped if he drove a semi into that crowd?
PsycheClone
With security on the ground and barriers, I'd say he'd have been shot before he got to injure 500 and kill 59.
UrKungFuNoGood
What kind of barriers were at the concert? Got any photos?
PsycheClone
And really are trucks that much more deadly than guns? Why isn't this being taken advantage of in war? Just entire squads of truck drivers!
UrKungFuNoGood
I can see more clearly with each comment the cause of your viewpoint. Have a nice life.
PsycheClone
Same here, peace.
marsgoose
If you wanted to drive without a license and uninsured nothing is stopping you, nobody checks unless you do something illegal first
turmosoritilaatio
I've known many guys who do this. AFAIK the record in Finland, driving and getting caught without a license is 66 times in a year.
ravinoff
And you only require a license and insurance on public roads. Which surprise, is exactly the same as how CC permits work.
TinyRocktopus
You will still get stopped if it's no registered
StevieWundaBred
Guns don't have license plates and are much easier to modify and keep hidden. Like super easy to modify
LithiumGrease
Thats not true, cops run license plates all the time to check for that stuff
curlymike3
Doesn't matter, a driver's license and car registration are completely separate.
RonIsMySpiritAnimal
I drove for two years without a license in my sister’s car, which she bought without having a license.
RandyBats
Didn't put the new sticker on my car plates for 3 years, never got pulled over once.
XenoCore
Put the stickers on your damn plates.
RandyBats
In the middle of year 4, let's see how long it lasts.
gnargnar99
Then placing rules and regulations for who can drive, what they can drive, how fast. And then updating those laws as time goes on. Oh my!
CyborgScribe
OBAMAS GUNNA TAKE OUR FORDS!
bentwrenches
He can take my Ford when he pries the wheel and shifter from my cold, dead fingers.
vvby
Don't tread on my tires.
TheCentralIntelligenceAgency
#WeNeedTruckControl
Spacemayo
Then we could create the NRA for trucks and blame them.
PirateRubberDuck
Allowing a doctor to ban you from driving for medical reasons to protect and others.
melekoftd
"No sir, they come for my trucks I'm taking all those motherfuckers down with me! To the pharmacy. For my testosterone supplements."
torisenblack
Then allowing government officials to selectively enforce those laws and use them to disenfranchise people for unrelated issues!
Bartholomeo
Don't forget to heavily tax them. On ownership, the gas, the road, annual mandatory checkups .....
IIIHalezIII
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/IndelibleCleanHorse-small.gif
fstrutzkoff
Aslong as he had his digital log book filled out correctly
NicholasMaxwell
This is gold
gnargnar99
You're gold
NicholasMaxwell
Is that the girl from die antword ???.... And if you don't know what that is please look up the band "die antword"
gnargnar99
Haha ya it's from the "rich bitch" video.
NicholasMaxwell
Once me and my friend tripped shrooms and we watched die antword videos from like 9pm to 5am.... It was intense.. and also don't ask why
aCoolBreezeOnAHotSummerDay
And then when he runs the truck through 100 people anyways, then what do we do? We have all these runs for guns now too btw.
countvanderhosen
What's your point? To bot even try?
aCoolBreezeOnAHotSummerDay
No my point is that we are already trying and that this post and comment was seeming to ignore that fact.
bondance
I mean, we're not trying very hard though are we? We have a couple of these shootings every year and nothing changes. The Right says
bondance
it's too soon, we shouldn't make decisions when the tragedy is still so fresh. We should spend more time mourning. Then some other
AdmiralJohn
I've tried this with some of my gun-nut buddies and they reply with "Driving isn't a right but bearing arms is."
gnargnar99
Rights come with responsibilities.
wooshheeyonnn
That sounds like work
pennygwen
gnargnar99
DavveZ
Look at Australia, had some maassshooting some 20 years ago. Removed almost every weapon,have not had a massshootning since.and in Sweden1/2
DavveZ
We have never had such a shooting, it is because of our gun laws. By removing the guns we remove massshottings
phlat6
Special licenses for larger, more dangerous vehicles? Restricted access for those vehicles? Where does it end??!
ValamirCleaver
How dare the government tell me that I have to get a class A license & more comprehensive insurance if I want to dive a tractor trailer?!
HighwayStar82
That's your call; unless it's a tanker truck.
FoxGodRecords
And extra taxes levied on the operation of those massive vehicles. AND different, more comprehensive insurance requirements.
PlayingWithDynamite
uhh... like... uhauls?
donth8appreciat
I'm just going to leave this here... https://fee.org/articles/okay-lets-regulate-guns-like-cars/
icelandicsealbear
And then when you sell a car, THE BUYER then has to go get it registered and be licensed! What a headache. Good thing that these 2 ton...
icelandicsealbear
weapons aren't licensed like that.
gnargnar99
Yes.
BCOH
But drunk\drugged drivers still drive....
gnargnar99
But.....what's your point??
Trubo
Funny how once you've gotten your license once, you never have to take a test to prove you're still competent to drive if you renew in time.
wingmanofmayhem
Can you imagine, stopping a tyrannical government with those vehicles? They would be so effective.
gnargnar99
wingmanofmayhem
It's called sarcasm ya dummy.
DetectiveSherlockHolmes
Man, what a world that would be
MerToo
With signs on every corner, imagine, "Hey dumbass that thing better not be cocked or you gon' shoot your dick off!"
horsethanwitler
and then having to get the truck tested annually to make sure it's safe?
Quizz25S
Oh the humanity!
gnargnar99
Zigor22
Irving in the constitution about trucks. It's specifically says no infringement.
CyborgScribe
Ok. So everyone can own a flintlock like the founding fathers intended when they wrote it. Modern weapons go against the spirit.
MidiArbite
Those only apply to public road use.
ClassifiedUsername
I dont think the constitution says anything about that...
CyborgScribe
Why are people so hung up on the damn constitution? It says arms but NOT what kind. The writers probably intended stuff like...
CyborgScribe
...muskets. It would be well within the government's rights and also what the writers intended to allow only flintlocks for private citizens
ClassifiedUsername
Can u send that Bus carrier pigeon or bring by horseback. I mean that's how they got news or word across the states back then right?
ClassifiedUsername
Times and tech. Change. But making it illegal for citizens to own a gun is not the answer.
TheMostPhysical
:( but I wanna have cool things man
mph5mph
Obviously not strict enough. Lets ban them altogether!
ilikefoodmorethanpeople
Ok, unpopular opinion here- driving in the us is a privilege that can be revoked. Owning guns is a right, so comparison is tech. incorrect
countvanderhosen
Your constitution is over 200 years old. Change it. It's not the word of your god.
ilikefoodmorethanpeople
no
AlrightKeepYourSecrets
Funny things about amendments is that they're changes to your constitution. Therefore why would they be written in stone?
GapingAnalCavity
And these laws have prevented nutcases from driving into crowds of pedestrians.
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countvanderhosen
Starting to think you lot aren't worth saving
AlrightKeepYourSecrets
Right. So murder should be illegal. And anyone should be allowed to fly a plane. It helps to eliminate incompetence at least.
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AlrightKeepYourSecrets
Right. Now imagine someone could go to a store, buy a bomb with minimal to no vetting process, and go blow someone up. Pretty crazy right?
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Riyakou
STOP IT! GODDAMN LIBERALS TRYNA TAKE MY TRUCKS!
gnargnar99
Trucks ain't no right
CyborgScribe
I doubt the founding fathers wrote the second amendment with automatic or high capacity weapons in mind. If everyone wanted to own...
CyborgScribe
...a musket the 2nd amendment argument would be stronger.
gnargnar99
Or if it was meant as intended......you know, to protect against tyranny. We'd be having a discussion about war-head and drone rights.
Chrsstffr
Has a professional car salesman I can undoubtedly tell you if we did that only criminal would buy cars
CongratsYouAreHereNow
too many criminals already own cars to start regulating them now
WhatTheFrog
And how can you protect yourself from an illegally-acquired car if you don't have your own to drive away?
StevieWundaBred
"I'll never have to protect myself from an illegal car, that would NEVER happen to me" - someone really dumb.
whathappensifichangethistext
Make sure to not wear revealing outfit where in dark areas and places where cars frequent.
originalsh4rpie
I don't understand. We do that already. But most noncriminals buy cars.
FoxGodRecords
DonnaNobleInTheLibrary
thatsthejoke.gif
ticktockbent
Criminals who couldn't legally buy trucks would just acquire them illegally via criminal channels
TheFoxyVixen
Surely they wouldn't download a car.
ticktockbent
If I had a big enough 3d printer you bet your ass I would
SpaceSphere
Detroit auto show had a group a couple years ago that printed a car. No joke
Fastrayd
Well... ok, but they actually do, do that.
ticktockbent
yes, this whole thread is sarcasm
Fastrayd
I just meant that in this case sarcasm for support of the point failed. Sarcasm against the point though does succeed.
Homestarmy
You said do do
dickable
They would just make their own trucks in the bathtub.
ValamirCleaver
Would you want to risk going blind because you got a truck from a criminal who made one in a bathtub?...
ticktockbent
criminal truck building sites are everywhere underground man. wake up
TyrantJester
Well now you're just speaking madness
fleacollerindustry
As a Korean; I understand your laws... it is madness. You dont have a right to drive. You have one to own firearms. (1/2)
gnargnar99
fleacollerindustry
(2/2) You don't need a license for a right.
daggypants
But what about a law made 100s of years ago?? Isn’t that obviously more relevant?
MerToo
Good idea, we need to make the law much older so it can be less restricting of behaviour. Pity there's no way to "Amend" a Constitution...
gnargnar99
You're right, nobody wear seatbelts anymore!! Damn gov trying to make it so I can't even launch myself through my own windshield.
dhaledude
Gave me a good lol. Thank you sir.
gnargnar99
Happy to!
PiGiSpi
My bear arms!!
BreadyStinellis
I was looking for an appropriate gif, but found this instead.
ValamirCleaver
How dare the government try to force me to wear long sleeves?!
CumsInPies
There was nothing in the constitution saying I can't drive a car on the sidewalk.
InvidiousSquid
All powers. States have the right to restrict your ability to plow into that group of assholes who takes up the whole damned sidewalk.
AMPLIFIEDFootsteps5IntenseMusic
There's a lot in the constitution about amendments and how to do that successfully!
TopNotchAssEater
"People will find a way to get a car whether it's banned or not so you might as well just not have any restrictions"
stopthesquirrel
Most people don't call for zero restrictions on guns. They just try to prevent new pointless restrictions not backed by evidence.
wagex
know how many drivers are constantly driving without a license or insurance?
TheSuperJay
"People get into car accidents no matter what so we can't bother regulating any of it, it's not like you can stop automobile injuries."
Uuudd
We regulate who can carry what, when, where, how, and require testing, licensing, and registration for ccw in the vast majority of states.
fatbottomgirlsmaketheworldgoround
true, but we dont allow the laws on the books to be enforced or control the gun shops beyond what the NRA thinks is reasonable
Uuudd
What law isnt being enforced? Every single law that I know of is being followed. Even down to the ATFE browsing youtube for violations.
fatbottomgirlsmaketheworldgoround
the ATF is understaffed and lacks any teeth in dealing with gun shops. they can find violations and then do nothing in terms of enforcement
Uuudd
1) the ATF doesnt exist. 2) its criminal prosecutions and fines, just like the police if the ATFE has issues its criminal.
v3rmilion
If a criminal broke into my house and stole my gun, I have no obligation to tell the police. Only in 9 states is that not the case.
v3rmilion
As in I can know that a criminal is running around with my loaded gun and the law says what's the worst that could happen -.-
PlayingWithDynamite
I was under the impression that if you don't tell the police you can be held civilly liable for actions taken with that firearm though
gnargnar99
Not all states?
BreadyStinellis
Nope.
Uuudd
There are federal and state laws, just like you dont need car insurance to drive in Virginia, you can opt out.
Tanwolf
You have to show you are financially able to pay. $500/yr when you register your vehicle.
gnargnar99
That little factoid isn't helping your case lol.
Uuudd
How so? Everything varies by state. If we were argueing about guns its easy. The DoD the DoJ the CDC the Census Beaurue, Harvard
eion85
Only by paying a BIG penalty.
Uuudd
$500 opt out fee, how is that big?
shaggykx
Not enough, evidently.
Uuudd
I disagree with a nanny state. We would do that to guns, alcohol, cigarettes, food, cleaning chemicals, cars, everything. Its ridiculous
Uuudd
All we should look at is the actual evidence. The FBI compiles statistics, the DoD the DoJ the CDC, Harvard theyve all done gun studies.
shaggykx
Good for them. But regardless, the evidence in the news still shows its still too easy for nutjobs to get guns and kill people, so...
Uuudd
The news reports om the biggest and most noteworthy story, not the multitudes of crimes that didnt happen or were stopped.
Uuudd
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/12/gun-rhetoric-vs-gun-facts/
SomeOneHasBeenLookingForYou
Don't know why you've got the DV's b/c literally this is comparable. Both are tools that do X but can also kill, maim etc etc
Naiirita
because its factually incorrect. You dont need any of those things to own a truck.
DenverCoderIX
Yeah, vehicles may maim and kill, but guns are made with that purpose in mind. Gun lobbys must be really powerful in USA.
DaveTheScientist
The NRA is absurdly powerful, but it's a cultural thing too. Look at all of the people losing their shit in this thread alone.
gnargnar99
I'm really glad there are rules for drivers. I wish gun ownership was treated similarly.
Fishtrombone
Totally, not like there is a entire governmental agency that determines the legality of firearms on their random whim or anything.
CyborgScribe
And then largely gets undercut by sate laws varying wildly on what to allow and how easy guns are to get.
Fishtrombone
Except state laws only makes it harder to get a gun, and there is already multitudes of fed laws in effect right now that regulate firearms.
Residentsmartass
We do have rules for gun ownership. He padded the background checks. It doesn't stop people from doing bad things
Residentsmartass
*passed
gnargnar99
Universal rules? In all states?
Ferrumkit
yes, it's Federal Firearms laws, if I recall Title 18 has a whole section concerning it. I pose to you, how do you stop a first offense.
Residentsmartass
What law would have prevented this
GuyInTheBack
"Now is not the time and place to talk about gun regulation" -Every Republican after a mass shooting
stopthesquirrel
It's pretty solid advice. Knee-jerk emotion driven policies tend to be shitty in the long run.
gnargnar99
But that patriot act didn't take much time :o
commoncomment
And that has stopped the fact that there are more deaths from cars than guns yearly...
IconicM
People use their cars a lot more than their guns though.
Thanshin
Because everyone needs to use a gun twice a day to go to work and back.
PlayingWithDynamite
So if they were useful to YOU its ok? I'm not trying to /s but I feel like thats a perspective that is ignored. So many people don't 1/
Thanshin
Yes. Some people actually need guns in all systems. Whatever gun control you put in place.
PlayingWithDynamite
understand that many gun owners enjoy it as a hobby tremendously. Why should that be taken away? This argument is more counter 2/
PlayingWithDynamite
disarmarment rather than control, but the typical fear is that people who don't share a fondness for guns will eventually control them and 3
melekoftd
Although less accidental deaths from cars caused by, say, toddlers. Approximately 60 less dead people annually, if you're curious.
Dragon10449
In a world where 2 people die roughly every second, I'm sorry but 60 in a year from accidents like that is statistically nothing, sorry.
Dragon10449
Plus on top of that, that number is so low it has such a large range of error to it per year. It's sad, but not worth changing laws over...
melekoftd
I mean what kind of society just accepts as normal that roughly 60 people will die annually from accidental charges from under-5s?
PlayingWithDynamite
fun fact, about that number of children fall out of open windows. Kids are just trouble in general. WATCH THEM. They're treacherous.
gnargnar99
Not the point. The point is that it helps reduce unnecessary injuries/death caused by motor vehicles.
Zardo03
Does it really though?
gnargnar99
Idk, why don't you stop wearing your seatbelt and ignore all speed limit signs then report back with your findings.
Zardo03
Already ignore speed limit signs, since they have been found to have the opposite effect. For some reason people drive safer without them
melekoftd
Zardo03
Oh and wearing a seat belt is a good idea. No need for it to be a fucking law.
thefuckwouldiwantacaravanthatsgotnofuckinwheels
https://media.tenor.com/images/45cf1d3e5f1e3dfffc3d2b98dc1af3d3/tenor.gif
Zardo03
https://www.motorists.org/press/montana-no-speed-limit-safety-paradox/
Zardo03
Also, me having to register my car every fucking year is just a money grab and nothibg else.
GangStarrWoWp
"Oh darn it, I don't have a license! I guess I can't drive this truck into a crowd of prople after all."
5NoteHalf
Licensing pretty much helps figure out WHO drove the truck into a crowd, if the driver runs off.
DaveTheScientist
If you didn't need a license or registration, it would be a hell of a lot easier to get a truck and drive it into a crowd of people.
DaveTheScientist
Same reason an illegal handgun in the US is waaayyyy cheaper and easier to find than in Canada, UK, basically anywhere else.
InvidiousSquid
I can go rent a near-semi in under fifteen minutes. Needing a DL isn't stopping anybody.
DaveTheScientist
And if you rent that truck, then there's a record of you renting that truck.
PlayingWithDynamite
but almost anyone with a license can do it, and Idk about you but I don't remember the test I took to be all that complicated.
BreadyStinellis
Except it is stopping people without a DL from renting a truck, because you can't rent a vehicle without a license.
GangStarrWoWp
Literally everybody has a DL though. Every household has a car or multiple, not every household has a gun.
xfrostbyte
The point is none of these measures stop violence, for firearms or for trucks. This is fucking stupid.
gnargnar99
I know what was fox thinking, comparing cars which are useful and guns which are not. So fucking stupid.
MoistenedPenguin
This just in: hunting and self defense are now useless. Fuck anyone who wants a gun to improve their life.
gnargnar99
Hunting and self defence are pretty useless now that we live in a civilized society. They do more harm than good for ordinary people.
MoistenedPenguin
You're actually retarded. Self defense is useless? Being able to get lots of food for not much money is useless?
DaveTheScientist
You don't think so? You don't think that's why you're 20x more likely to be killed by gun in the US compared to Canada? Even partly?
Zardo03
In my opinion, it is the culture of violence, and non respect, here in the US that breeds these types of incidents and not the guns
courier31
Statistically more likely to die an automobile accident then get shot.
CaptStabbin804
Because these laws and regulations are never ignored..
gnargnar99
So...........Anarchy?
CyborgScribe
Ahh. The old "criminals break laws so we shouldn't have them" argument. It works so well congress just abolished all laws.
CaptStabbin804
The argument is that the kind of person willing to shoot 500 strangers isn't going to hesitate just because the weapon is illegal.
EmpatheticRock
But yet traffic related deaths are triple to quadruple gun related homicides.
gnargnar99
Maybe because people use cars more often. Remember, a car actually serves a practical purpose other than killing.
EmpatheticRock
For something that wasn't designed for killing, the automobile sure does a pretty good job.
gnargnar99
It also gets me to work pretty well. My gun.... it just kills things.
EmpatheticRock
But you could also take public transportation
EmpatheticRock
So you're saying that regardless of regulation, licensure requirements, and registration that human error and free will can still lead 1/2
EmpatheticRock
2/2 to thousands of avoidable deaths per year? We're talking about automobiles of course.
gnargnar99
Of course! It's impossible to stop all bad things from happening. That doesn't mean we don't make an effort to reduce some tragedies. Lol.
squintish
Once this was true but now they are much closer together. And auto deaths are on the decline while gun deaths continue to rise. (Cont)
squintish
If you consider deaths/rate of use, gun deaths are significantly higher. (Rate of use: 9/10 households drive cars vs 4/10 own guns) cont
squintish
http://www.vpc.org/regulating-the-gun-industry/gun-deaths-compared-to-motor-vehicle-deaths/
EmpatheticRock
More than 50% of gun related deaths are suicides, if you disregard that then automobile related deaths are at minimum double. Feel free 1/2
EmpatheticRock
2/2 to account for automobile related suicides to even out the statistics. Guns aren't the problem, humans are the problem. Whether PS/2
EmpatheticRock
3/2 it be behind the wheel or behind the trigger.
EmpatheticRock
Gun ownership has gone up 49% since 2012 and gun related deaths are down 40% since 2012. We can all find the statistics to prove our point.
squintish
Got any sources on that 49%? Just because more guns have been sold doesnt mean more people own guns.
EmpatheticRock
Just because more people buy newer vehicles doesn't mean they will become better drivers. 1/2
r0b0tc0rpse
And which one of those regulations would prevent some one from plowing a truck into a crowd? Just wondering.
AlrightKeepYourSecrets
By your logic, we shouldn't make murder illegal, and we should allow untrained people to fly planes. Idiot.
r0b0tc0rpse
Reductio ad absurdum, fail.
gnargnar99
Was that the point of the post? Just wondering..
r0b0tc0rpse
Which law regarding motor vehicles would prevent some one from buying or renting a truck and driving it into a crowd? None.
countvanderhosen
Then why doesn't it happen more when you guys get shot up all the time?
r0b0tc0rpse
It's a bad comparison, come up with a better argument.
gnargnar99
It was Fox that made the argument lol
FrozenBadger
And yet people still get murdered by people in trucks, who drive them through markets and crowds. Now apply it to guns, you fucking idiots.
AlrightKeepYourSecrets
Heyy, you're right. Like why outlaw murder? Next off lets let untrained people fly planes! Fucking dumbass.
gnargnar99
The name calling isn't necessary. Your point wasn't unfounded and you call others idiots. Just go home dude.
zee44
so because it can still be abused we should not bother? hey man why even have laws at all, right?
CyborgScribe
This seems to be a VERY common pro gun argument. They forget that laws do stop some people. We only normally see the ones they dont.
CyborgScribe
It's a form of survivor bias.
stopthesquirrel
We already have all of that for firearms too
stopthesquirrel
The applicable equivalence of those laws at least. The velocity you can drive a shotgun isn't really relevant but you get my point.
gnargnar99
For every state?
gnargnar99
How long does it take to get your license to own a gun? How much training is involved? Do you have to register the weapon in a national db?
gnargnar99
Is there mandatory re-certification? Do you have to insure the weapon? What kind of public limitations are in place?
stopthesquirrel
The US govt doesn't spend billions of dollars of tax money to build infrastructure needed to operate firearms. If you live in a free state
stopthesquirrel
2. you don't need a license to keep and bear arms but you do have to wait 18-21 years depending on the type of firearm ;)
stopthesquirrel
8. do not walk around in public waving loaded guns. Cars on the other hand are constantly traveling past each other at high rates of speed
stopthesquirrel
7. use of automobiles are apples and oranges. Injury that arises from improper handling of firearms is almost always avoidable and people
stopthesquirrel
11. 70 mph alongside other similar vehicles. Firearms on the other hand are a little more simple:
stopthesquirrel
10. Not to mention the complexity and coordination that needs to be mastered to steer a 5,000 lb box of metal and rubber down the road at
stopthesquirrel
12. Never point them at ANYTHING you don't intend to kill or destroy, even when you think the firearm is unloaded and safe.
stopthesquirrel
6. use and handling of the firearm. Do accidents happen? Yes and in tragically high numbers, but the purpose of the 2nd amendment and the
stopthesquirrel
9. & will statistically collide eventually. That is partially why we have mandatory training, licensing, and insuring of vehicles, not guns.
stopthesquirrel
4. vehicles because even when used properly, there is a high likelihood for injury and property damage. When a firearm is used properly
stopthesquirrel
5. there is almost zero probability of harm or property damage. Therefore it is sufficient for the owner to be held liable for the proper
stopthesquirrel
3. The big reason for registering vehicles is to tax the people who use expensive roadways. You need to be licensed and insured to operate
gnargnar99
Heck, we could even have the streets patrolled to enforce those laws. And develop new tech to help detect illegal behaviour. Holy smokes!
sneakyninja848
heck, look the government all the sudden decides anyone that owns a camero needs to turn them in or become a felon. holy smokes!!!
gnargnar99
Settle down Deliverance.
dasfedor
Its not like guns also have a powerful lobby fighting regulations and safety measures every step of the way.
fatbottomgirlsmaketheworldgoround
or one who's crippled the police force and enforcement of any laws pertaining to guns
gnargnar99
Must be a little scary being a cop, when everyone has the potential to be packing heat....
fatbottomgirlsmaketheworldgoround
yes, not quite what i meant though. the ATF has no enforcement capabilities anymore. they do not regulate gun shops and are understaffed
gnargnar99
Imagine if there was a group pushing for cars to be more dangerous and available to everyone.
CongratsYouAreHereNow
berlers and terlets, terlets and berlers
gnargnar99
100%
ashipthatshipsshippingships
You're taking it wayyyyyyy too far there. What are you, some sort of big government stooge??
gnargnar99
We might actually reduce the amount of unnecessary deaths caused by motor vehicles!!
CreatureFromtheBlackLegume
Not all motor vehicles, just trucks
MarvaNipp
I love you
simsom4343
The fact that he throws out 3 upvotes specifically, pleases me...
gnargnar99
I love you! and NDT!
CaptainPirate8
You have captured my feelings perfectly
gnargnar99
Then I love you too!
bondance
Can you imagine how many more deaths there would likely be if we didn't have so many laws and regulations regarding their use and ownership?
Hawkeyebowhunter
Fucking zero you twat. Legality does not dictate morality. I don't kill people because it's illegal, I don't kill because I'm not a psycho
bondance
You must be slow. I'm talking about laws regulating the ownership and operation of motor vehicles. You don't think those laws prevent deaths
bondance
Why wouldn't gun ownership be similarly regulated and documented? What's the problem? No one's saying you can't have your toy. Unless you're
PlusSizedGentlemanInAnUndersizedGarment
Never thought I'd find myself agreeing with Tim McVeigh, but apparently he's a pretty reasonable dude. :)
Maraak
Just the right amount of sarcasm: A lot!
gnargnar99
Wasn't too much?
biolologist
It's almost like the analogy doesn't actually work on any level once you think about it...
DonMc
Actually it does, like a whole lot. Registering, testing, licencing, and possibly insuring! Guns! Things that can kill people!
Thalarctos
To be fair, the licensing and insurance probably isn't a terrible idea, if not for the jerks who actually would use that to restrict access.
DonMc
Just like a car!
scepticpsycho
NoSelfiesOfficer
But guns don't kill people. Uh uh. I kill people. With guns. pow!
GodEmperorGummy
Eh, Both are big, loud, expensive and don't impress that girl as much you think it does.
WTFJohnny
Take away all the vehicles they kill people?
StevieWundaBred
Not sure if it's sad or funny how little you know about what you speak about. We do all of these things already....
ElioNope
We'd could also restrict where certain trucks can go, and perhaps employ defences to prevent their access to restricted areas.
Kaesden
How would defencing an area prevent access? I feel like adding fences would work better.
igniskonig
BlightSpeaker26
At first I was all "bollards duh." Then I realized what you did there.
ElioNope
Mockingbirb
If I may add: trucks aren't there for killing people in the first place...
PlayingWithDynamite
Well isn't that assuming intent? Intent would vary by user, not by manufacturer.
AlrightKeepYourSecrets
The purpose of a firearm is to kill things. The purpose of a car is transportation
PlayingWithDynamite
so just because it's multi-purpose that makes its lethal capacity ok?
HighwayStar82
And most tractor trailer combos are for delivery of goods.
PlayingWithDynamite
I own many firearms and only one of them has ever killed anything. You're denying the sporting purposes because you don't partake.
PlayingWithDynamite
*its a hunting rifle, I'm not a felon
gnargnar99
Quite right!
BlackAttackMac
You mean like we do with guns?
AlrightKeepYourSecrets
Not in every state, and not enough.
Venusflytripp
Do people pay insurance on guns you know for injuries, damages and theft?
BlackAttackMac
I wouldn't be surprised if they did. You can insure anything in this country. You can literally insure your ass.
gnargnar99
In every state?
LuluTheLucario
Actually, treating guns like cars sounds like a pretty good idea. It would reduce the number of idiot related accidents. I wouldn't mind >
lS7rikel
The problem is, is that you only need a test if you plan on driving cars on public roads. It's not needed for private property.
reediculous84
Concealed carry license? Much more difficult to get than a Driver's license, I have both
ignorantbastrd
A lot of idiots drive cars tho.
nachtgeist
The big problem with this debate is driving a car is a privilege and owning a firearm is a constitutional protection.
nachtgeist
Which means restricting firearms has a much larger hurdle legally.
CreamNinja
Well it isn't like they could, I dunno, steal a truck??
LuluTheLucario
Exactly, no law is going to stop someone from breaking another one. This won't stop criminals, but will help curb the number of idiots.
CreamNinja
Yes, less uneducated idiots with guns would be very desirable.
ConAirWasAGreatMovie
Felons can buy cars not guns
CupcakeOfGir
Because people don’t kill other people using cars? Vehicular collisions don’t take lives? And we let teenagers drive. Safety is (1/2)
CupcakeOfGir
paramount, regardless of the tools present. Determined or careless people will find a way, regardless of the method.
BreadyStinellis
We let children shoot guns, what's your point?
LuluTheLucario
Nothing is 100% perfect, but as you said, people who are going to break the law anyway won't adhere to the ones that would prevent that in>
LuluTheLucario
the first place. I'm saying it would help stop idiots who don't know that guns aren't toys in the first place, and POSSIBLY hinder acts of >
LuluTheLucario
random rage, such as trying to gun down someone for cutting someone off in traffic.
flavivsaetivs
IMO a mandatory firearms safety course should be required before purchasing. Coming from someone strongly pro-gun.
MyPasswordIs1234
I agree. The most common counterpoint I've seen is that government could make this course unreasonably hard, expensive and inconvenient 1/2
MyPasswordIs1234
to limit gun ownership without outright banning guns.
Bambi577
Not sure who downvoted you that just makes sense. The right isn’t being taken away just making sure everyone knows what they’re doing.
flavivsaetivs
I have seen way too many idiots with guns - especially teenagers. Most of our firearms deaths are accidents.
Mediumtim
Just the stories of gun store clerics getting swept with live guns should call for an industry push (very pro gun rights here)
IamMelonLordeYaYaYa
I'm a combat vet and I love shooting. I strongly believe BRM-style courses should be taught in high school. Kinda like drivers ed.
IamMelonLordeYaYaYa
Or, better, 2 years mandatory service.
flavivsaetivs
A lot of things should be taught in high school. Like how to do your taxes. Or pass an interview.
realistichorsegonadbehavior
Is that not the case for you guys? Goog god.
LuluTheLucario
taking routine tests to evaluate my psychological health in order to protect others in case I go insane later on.
MyPasswordIs1234
Contrary to the popular opinion overwhelming majority of mass shooters are 100% sane. The tests would be mainly a security theater. 1/2
MyPasswordIs1234
Training and bg checks are much more important. Also is there even a legitimate use for bump stocks?
CheesecakePi
Couple of problems/concerns I could see arising: First, where/how EXACTLY do we draw the line on what's "acceptable" mental health? /1
CheesecakePi
Second, what precedent might this set for giving the government details about someone's personal, and private, medical history? 2/2
RandyBats
But no one will go for that. One side it's too much to ask, the other side it's not enough even though it's reasonable and may work.
JustThePGTips
Apparently... you've never driven in Dallas.
RumpleSixskin
Says the Houstonian. Your city's full of dumbass drivers as well.
JustThePGTips
I'm from and currently live in Dallas.
Zardo03
Houston is also a name, so keep that in mind
killer10347
I feel like this is just big government proponents standing on the graves of the Vegas victims.
SteveMND
Yeah, heaven forbid government get involved to try and do what they can to prevent those graves in the first place.
Predicto
Of course you do, Wayne LaPierre. That's what you say after every mass shooting. That's how you make sure that nothing ever changes
LuluTheLucario
More than likely; people always turn disasters into political statements about how their side is right.
Tunaccat
Oh no, we want to look at ways of stopping this from ever happening again. I'm sorry Lulu and Killer, when can we talk about gun safety?>
Tunaccat
killer10347
Too dogmatic about the giving of significantly more power to the government being the only way to address this, are you? K.
SteveMND
You make this sound like this was an Act of Nature. It was not; it was a willful act of evil, and if politics can help stop or even /1
killer10347
This was an Act of Nature. Humans are nature. Their brains are nature. Them going crazy because of chemical imbalances is nature.
SteveMND
That is the god-damn stupidest comment on this whole situation I've heard yet. Congratulations.
SteveMND
2/ just reduce the likelihood of it occurring again, then we better damn well turn it into a political discussion.
SteveMND
*okay, 'of evil' may be a little premature, as others have mentioned possible medications involved. Regardless, it was not an Act of Nature
killer10347
I sincerely doubt that evil has suicide in its list of values.
GothmogLordofBalrogs
If everyone had to get a license and just went through a hunters safety course i would feel better.
CantStopTheNipple
Though I agree with you, how would that have prevented this?
Tunaccat
Anyone prescribed medications can't purchase a firearm within 30-60-or 90 days would be a good start.
Tunaccat
new medications*
Tunaccat
Also closing the gunshow loophole of private sellers would be another. Ideologically, guns should be more expensive and harder to buy.
phlat6
I agree. But the term "safety" in this context seems like a cruel joke. The LV shooter used "safe" firearm handling techniques, right?
damspam
Well it wouldn't prevent something like that, but accidental gun injuries/deaths would probably go down.
theycallmeMrGlass
As a gun owner and ccp holder, I would like to see this happen too
theBEARDEDarchaeologist
Same here
yepthatguy
I wonder if even a 30 minute safety course annually in schools would help. Grade schoolers a simple don't touch, get an adult.
BattloidKouji
I'd like to see someone kill and injure 600 people with a truck from 400 yards away and 32 stories up in the air.
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BattloidKouji
"I'd like to see" is a sarcastic idiom, just in case english isn't your first language. Means "I doubt it's going to happen".
McFuckerStarPants
Oklahoma city bomber?
idonthaveanyideawhatthehelliamtalkingabout
yeah, he didnt use a truck to kill people
WilwoWaggins
I'd like to see an AR-15 long haul 10 tons of Bubba Gump shrimp from coast to coast.
PlayingWithDynamite
EEEEEAAASSSST bound and DOOOOOWWWWNNNN....
brickerbrickeronenine
You mean...like a remote vehicular IED?
BattloidKouji
Hmm, good point. That fits the criteria. begs the question though, why doesn't it happen just as often as gun massacres?
CyborgScribe
It's hard to do. Oklahoma City bombing happened and they changed the laws. Tracers in explosives. Security beefed up.
CyborgScribe
Plus it takes some knowhow to make a decent bomb without blowing yourself up. More than it takes to hold a gun.
BattloidKouji
Exactly. That's why it's not really a great argument to say people will find a way. the alternatives are either more expensive, harder (1)
ApolloTheSpaceFox
can said truck.have explosives on board? also hi NSA
TheVoteThatUps
Killed 60 not all injuries are due to being shot. A lot can range from a gash to a broken bone from being trampled or falling.
Dagordae
I'll put money on not all deaths. A crowd that size panicking and not trampling anyone would be a first.
Spinnyd
Most of the military guys I have talked to said if he knew what he was doing he would have killed a lot more people. 59/22K is pretty low
bohemiancrabcity
That's because automatic weapons are terrible for accuracy, and slide fires are way worse. That plus the distance he was firing from.
Spinnyd
But someone that knew what they were doing would do a much better job of it.
smellyshorts
I think people miss this point.
stercusmoriturussum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i-op1aceUg
BattloidKouji
Okay, that was pretty damn amazing. but, not a truck, not 32 stories up, and no deaths or injuries.
DIsiahTBillingsClyde2
Michael Bay: Gotchu fam
Fastrayd
I assume not because it would be impossible, but because it would be like a scene from an 80's action flick?
icebalm
Remote controls exist, and it will be even easier with self driving technology.
Waffleguy13
Stunt jump failed
benpoon
How about a plane?
Goddamnitmisterrnoodle
Air drop
DJThuglifeSupreme
You mean something close to what happened in France or the subway bombings in the EU?
wiilyc22
1 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/storyline/france-truck-attack/amp/short-history-vehicles-being-used-deadly-weapons-n609811
ErrolStafford
I mean, you can drive out of a building from that height and let inertia do the rest...
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
I think Isis is trying that as we speak.
themojoe2
Guess you never heard of a nuclear truck?
BardicLasher
That sounds like a sick jump and a completely botched landing.
Slorpthegillman
Hold my beer
RetirementNoirATaleOfPruneJuiceAndMurder
It's called a Car-o-pult.
poochyena
I'd not like to see that tbh.
WelcomeToMyPost
Hold my beer
allhisdarkmaterials
32 Stories up in the air? That would be a plane. Oh... wait... :(
Nuttsy
https://i.redd.it/7dj0ac1nnlhz.jpg
Javertoldfriend
Nuclear bomb transport truck........?
thornmallow
Tonka trucks and potato launchers?
thatwoodguy
They do it in GTA V
PeteTusk
MundaneFinality
That would be kinda badass.
HaveYouSeenJeff
Have you ever seen a trebuchet?
Dagordae
If you got it on the roof and installed a ramp...
kraeftig
Remote control vehicle, "Achievement unlocked"
Loser37
Throw it at them
Jokerstamp
Also best comment I've seen all week.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
Give me a fuel truck and a Skycrane and I'll see what I can do.
raosion
Maybe if you threw it like Superman? And then flew down and swung around the remains?
emkev
Something somethings GTA V
MulattoGelato
I would pay to see someone try... not much, but a bit you know
dazed2684
Truck bomb
UberNomad
Hate to say it, but go rewatch 9/11 footage.
Shimobe
I bet you would, you sick bastard.
TheMightyJoe
you’re a libtard. he killed 59. a truck hauling ass would have easily killed over 100+
SuperJew12
They wouldn't need to. Timothy Mcveigh loaded a truck with fertilizer and killed hundreds.
SuperPickle17
Telsa is working on autonomous trucks... Wheres your argument now?
BattloidKouji
Are they available yet? will it be harder or easier to acquire than guns Paddock used? That's my whole point.
SuperPickle17
My point is when they do become widely available. Are we going to ban them once hacks become mainstream?
Drunkfu
I imagine quite a few of that number were injured by folks fleeing and running over one another
PeteTusk
I bet there would be even more trampling if a truck were driving through the crowd. Just saying...
nero4ty2
i've been trying to find info on how many people were actually shot vs trampled, not many good numbers yet
fknbastard
Doesn't change the fact that he caused injuries by creating the panic. If he was looking to hurt and kill, he's responsible for all of it.
Hydrahawk
I can confirm that. Had a buddy there tell me that exact story.
Hydrahawk
1) Quick story: I had one of my best friends there at the time of the shooting. He told me his personal account from his point of view. It's
EnigmaV8
Your story needs to be first post!
Hydrahawk
2) pretty graphic, so if you don't like that kind of thing, quit reading. He told me "the guys head in front of him split like a melon." One
Hydrahawk
3) of the guys he went with got shot in the neck. He said that once he was able to help his friend to the medical tent, he went back to look
Hydrahawk
4) for more people to help but was upset to find most of the people he ran to were already dead. However, upon further inspection, a lot of
Hydrahawk
5) these people had died from the crowd. They had minor injuries from bullets or other instances, but shredded ribcages from trampling and
yourmotherandIthinkyoushouldmoveout
Uh, ok. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing
BattloidKouji
Not 400 yards away, not 32 stories up, much much harder to pull off than what happened in vegas. Like orders of magnitude harder.
ArtArchive
I call BS on it being much harder. A stray truck is much less suspicious than someone carrying 19 guns up to a hotel room.
Sonicdahedgie
So you're just mad that it happened with a gun, you aren't mad people died?
yourmotherandIthinkyoushouldmoveout
Not hard at all with the right directions, and probably a lot cheaper.
CyborgScribe
As someone's who's fiddled around with explosives and incendiary compounds it's a lot harder than simply shooting a gun. And...
CyborgScribe
...hard to scale up to truck size. Plus, unlike with gun massacres, that actually led to changes to make it harder to repeat.
BattloidKouji
We have stricter watchlists on the fertilizer used to make the bombs than we do on guns, so definitely not easier.
yourmotherandIthinkyoushouldmoveout
You can make plenty of explosives without fertilizer. There are no restrictions on what you can buy at Ace, and hobby shops. 1/2
thefuckwouldiwantacaravanthatsgotnofuckinwheels
truck no, bomb yes, psychopaths find a way
handgrenade
"Only country where this regularly happens says nothing can be done".
StarrryNight
Doesn't mean you should make it easy for them.
thefuckwouldiwantacaravanthatsgotnofuckinwheels
fair, but to be honest I don't think it's that much harder, tho i am not crazy and trying to murder people so what the fuck do i know
StarrryNight
Yeah very much doubt that guy could have gotten anywhere near the kind of weaponry he had in a sane country.
thefuckwouldiwantacaravanthatsgotnofuckinwheels
guns? no but homemade explosives are what I'm referring to, it's scary what some basement chemistry can accomplish
causality
This was done with boxcutters.
xrufus7x
and it would be impossible to do with box cutters now because additional regulations and safety measures have been put in place.
PlayingWithDynamite
I've accidentally forgotten to take a pocket knife off of my jeans and walked through an airport before, they miss stuff.
xrufus7x
Yes they do but you making it through a locked, reinforced cockpit door with that pocket knife before someone stops you is pretty unlikely.
PlayingWithDynamite
Fair enough, I'd say that locking the cockpit doors and the galvanizing of the american people is the effective change though, not the TSA
causality
The TSA has literally never stopped an attempted attack and they fail over 95% of simulated attempts.
xrufus7x
Cockpits are locked now and have security doors. That alone would stop 9/11. Not to mention the only reason that happened was because it1/2
inside0ut557
What about if you own the plane? Never underestimate the power of a crazy group.
Alfadorfox
Source? Last I heard they were failing 1/3rd of simulated attempts. Which is still bad, but nowhere near needing a natural 20.
causality
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/06/us-airport-screeners-missed-95-of-weapons-explosives-in-undercover-tests/
xrufus7x
2/2 had never been done before. People know better than to wait for demands on plane jackings.
Abysse
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing
xrufus7x
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing#Legislation
xrufus7x
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing#Building_security_and_construction
Echo18
Timothy McVeigh killed 168 and injured 600+ with a truck on the ground https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing
FreeFloatingFullTorsoVaporousApparition
Ba da tish
effigyoma
And then we made it easier for the FBI to track people making explosives http://www.cnn.com/US/9604/24/anti-terrorism/
orangesubmarine
But not *just* a truck...
Echo18
Okay. And Stephen Paddock didn't *just* use a gun. He had bullets too.
LocutusOfBored
Why do you want to see that sicko!!?
BattloidKouji
"I'd like to see" is a sarcastic idiom, just in case english isn't your first language. Means "I doubt it's going to happen".
wiilyc22
Guy in Nice, France was close. Killed more, injured less and didn't need a 32 floor advantage.
Molvanian
That doesn't sound nice at all.
Jokerstamp
Yeah he did it on easy. Probably did the tutorial too
FoxGodRecords
UGH! Not the Tutorial! WHYYYYYYYY??!!
wiilyc22
Cliff notes!
heynongman4pres
Lol yeah ok fine, but don't worry we'll have another several shooting massacres here in the US before the year is out to take back the lead
yourmotherandIthinkyoushouldmoveout
There’s one every weekend in Chicago with that awesome gun control they have.
CrazyWithTheCheeseWiz
Ah Chicago, yes let's use the crime to defend guns in the immediate aftermath of a shooting and ignore the socioeconomic issues at play. 1/2
CrazyWithTheCheeseWiz
Or the fact that this man was not a criminal with a glock on the streets but an upstanding citizen that had an arsenal of legal guns/ammo.
helmutk00hl
Thx for using the Nice tragedy for your ruined argumentation. Note France has less than 1/5 of US firearm death... like any civilised place
wiilyc22
Your welcome for ruining the LV tragedy for more bullshit "common sense" gun control. Note France now just worries about trucks, and knives
helmutk00hl
Oh in France we don't worry much... just lay back, watch the US disappear from relevance
wiilyc22
That's about all you do, fuck you may as well just opened the door for Germany. But remember, you're welcome.
wagex
any idea how many bombings and shootings happen there?
helmutk00hl
Many! See, France tends to WIN the war it starts whileUS got their lilibutt kicked by vietnam afgans, irakis, fuck even CUBA = not a threat
wiilyc22
Don't know how they win wars with their hands behind their heads. Didn't learn their lesson from the first time.
wagex
What are you even talking about
HolyCringeLordBatman
Instances of mass killings in France is far lower than here. Even with one larger event it does not outweigh the consistent nature.
wiilyc22
Has any one asked about the amount and frequency the French or any other countries people use prescribed ssri's vs the US
HolyCringeLordBatman
Implying depression is the leading cause of mass murder?
wiilyc22
2 https://www.google.com/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/07/25/antidepressants-linked-murders-murderous-thoughts/amp/
wiilyc22
1 Not depression itself, antidepressants prescribed to persons who commit these crimes. Adam Lanza, James Holmes etc.
StoolPanini
Why would you like to see that?
SuperDuperSaiyanGuy
Fetish.
tombombadilf
He said 400 yards. Gonna be a stretch with one of those bad boys.
PeteTusk
Inappropesmagotes
To figure out on to land that last stunt jump.
tonx916
originalWFHhipster
Yeah, this guy's a sicko!
Acronymicon
Excellent user name
Hydrahawk
While I see your point, I don't think he meant it in a literal sense.
HeyOP
But can we take that chance? Better revoke his license just in case, or at least flag his account for any truck rental activity.
BattloidKouji
I would be disgusted and distraught, but you have to admit, if they were able to sneak the truck into their hotel room, I'd be a little (1)
BattloidKouji
bit impressed, just a little. (2)
Rediix
Youve a strange idea of whats nice to watch
Theunstablebear
https://media.giphy.com/media/13kMRojPh3ANFu/giphy.gif
FoxGodRecords
THIS! I need one of these. Now!
FoxGodRecords
Oh, wait. Those are Camaros, aren't they? Ehhhhhhh… I guess I could sell them. *sigh*
20Spades
For some reason I can't favorite this right now, so I will leave this comment instead
NotGarrusVakarian
You can't favorite it because it's not an imgur link dummy
20Spades
Sigh... It's been a long week.
NotGarrusVakarian
Ah, I apologize, i hope you're doing well friend
ImAfraidYoureAllPsychosSoIMadeThisAccount
Can't argue that logic.
shorey66
Perfect gif is perfect.
GAngeldb
Thank you. Didnt want to hunt for it
killer10347
ProfChaos23
Any decent statistician would totally ignore that last bit about Kennesaw. Pop of 30k. Tiny sample -> terrible extrapolation errors
BewareTheIceSpiders
Where's my trebuchet ?
Mockingbirb
No trebuchet! Only throw.
DoubleDutchButtTouch
Ah, yes. The 2017 Chevrolet Trebuchet.
Dreigiau
If someone loaded a trebuchet with a cluster of molotov cocktails, you'd see a fairly large body count.
BattloidKouji
Fair enough, I should have specified that they have to sneak the truck up into their hotel room, too.
Retrikaethan
i'll get the c4.
Knillis
Surprised to see a lack of DEUS VULT
DissidentRage
+1 for recognizing the superior siege weapon
HomelyArgonianMaid
i haven't been on imgur for 5 minutes and you've fucking won already fadsjkf dammit!
Falkh12
That must be some big MF of a trebuchet, to load and throw a whole truck... i'm intrigued!
dolphindreamsandsatan
Exactly where I went with this, as well.
BewareTheIceSpiders
You can always use the trebuchet to throw the people at the truck #parallelthinking
YourBossAndLandlordLikePolitics
And the people would have to be neatly stacked..
whathappensifichangethistext
Imgazorpazorpfuckingfieldbitch
90 kg isn't quite 2000 kg
SalmonSushee
We need a bigger trebuchet.
nick224
Just a bunch of smaller rocks. Similar to grapeshot or a shotgun, but, ya know, it’s a trebuchet.
Combatmatt
A 90kg hand truck. Its like, super heavy duty. Still a truck
upvotehypnotoad
"Ooowwww! That reylly hurt! Who throws a hand truck? Honestly?
rednecksciencegeek
Here's one throwing cars: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyCJ69GU974
jaminjimmyjames
Hmm. We still need to engineer a bit more...
StandAgainstTyranny
Bless you, I was just about to go looking!
barnwolf
Not that impressive, it was a Nissan truck.
MadmanApex
ea has a glitch for that...
Kilzamar
Challenge accepted.
Anonymous0726
You could make a reli--
Alfadorfox
no don't
somemenjustwantowatchtheworldburn
erik4556
Wait no don't do that.
erik4556
How about I do, anyway?
CyNinja
How about, Sunshine land
Alfadorfox
*Sunrise
ShaneStChris
FBI,CIA, SEAL team 6...There is an immigrant threat...Trump, ISIS, Kill, North Korea...Ooh you in big trouble now #SeeSomethingSaySomething.
imboredatwork
Aaaaaand now you're on a watch list.
skorpz
Snitches get Stitches
effigyoma
I don't know why I am upvoting this, but here I am
letmenumberthatforyou
I don't know why I am upvoting this, but here I am
effigyoma
I don't know why I am upvoting this, but here I am
dolphindreamsandsatan
I don't know why I just upvoted each of you knuckleheads, but here I am
MayaTheSiren
You do realize you have to go through a background check and fill out paperwork woth all of your personal information on it to buy a gun.
Dreaddread
No purchase license is required to purchase a long gun (a firearm that is more than 26 inches long) in Michigan. Semi Autos included.
CyanideSweetToothSuicide
Do realize if that background check doesn't come back in 3 days the store can sell the gun without the background check being completed?
Sonicdahedgie
One mass shooter got his gun because they're so swamped with background checks, they didn't complete his before the 3 day time period.
Wombatish
Gunshow/Private Seller loophole has already been discussed, but default proceed is also a thing. After 3 days most places you get your *c*
Wombatish
*c* gun, still-pending background check still-schmending background check. See: Dylan Roof.
fantastapotamus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we_D3X1Jliw
Frustfuck
not in Nevada apparently
WeedlordBonerLover69
paperwork thats stored locally and not sent to the feds. there is no central database.
MayaTheSiren
My point was that you have to give your information and pass a background check. It isnt like you just go into a store and buy a gun like
MayaTheSiren
You buy a bundle of oranges.
Tunaccat
Uh, no you don't. I can go to any private seller or any gun show and buy as many guns as I want without any information.
ItsASecretButIllNeverTell
To buy a gun from an FFL, no matter where you're at in the country, you have to fill out a 4473 and do a background check.
popejubal
To buy a gun from an FFL, absolutely. That's why there are so many private sales around the country.
Tunaccat
Why would I buy from an FFL when I can buy from a secondary market or private seller at a gun show? They're not required to record the sale.
Predicto
who cares. I never need to use an FFL. Why keep bringing it up?
ItsASecretButIllNeverTell
Because somebody somewhere sometime HAS to get a gun from an ffl before it ever makes its way to you. That's why.
Predicto
Who cares. Once its in the stream of commerce, it flies free. Just like all other 300 million guns out there already.
Wombatish
Tunaccat didn't contradict that. Most states haven't expanded private background checks. The gun show loophole is still very real.
msa011
Why are you even getting downvoted
LinearAlgebro
bc sales at gunshows are conducted by FFLs
Tunaccat
Upset conservatives drinkin' the NRA kool-aid. I can cite the Brady bill and nowhere does it prohibit private sales of firearms.
TinySupreme
Go ahead and try and buy a gun from a gun show without any checks. That's a misconception that hollywood started.
Tunaccat
Private transactions are not covered under any federal law, and only some state laws. I can sell my glock to my neighbor today,no questions>
Tunaccat
TinySupreme
That is true. I agree that there's a loop hole there that needs to be addressed. But the answer isn't stricter gun laws.
Sonicdahedgie
Motherfucker I have 8 guns from gunshows, I've never had a background check done.
TinySupreme
https://youtu.be/IdtKbq3Omkw
Wombatish
https://youtu.be/RhgjLDeyNLQ
Wombatish
AtaraRoma
I can walk into a walmart and walk out with a shotgun. Just saying.
Wombatish
Save your time, he eventually clarifies/admits he means 'background checks are easy' not 'background checks are not required'.
MayaTheSiren
So could I, if I were the right age, and did the paperwork, AND passed the background check.
Predicto
That's ok. I'll buy mine off Craigslist. No checks at all. Hell, Imma buy 50 of them. And some bump stocks. yeehaw
Ballistic09
Man, those bump stocks, so scary. I bet banning them would have made a difference... Oh wait, i guess not: https://youtu.be/QkWuYr0cD4M /s
AtaraRoma
I am missing your point.....but you obviously missed mine. I can get the gun without any of that....legit walk in, purchase gun, and leave.
Wombatish
Walmart is an FFL. No, you can't. Walmart also has policy that prevents default proceed.
d0o0o0d
Not at Walmart. They're a federally licensed firearms dealer required to run a NICS check and fill out a Form 4473 when selling firearms.
PiiCii
I have no knowledge of US rules. What you're saying is that you can go in with, say cash, buy a shotgun and go out without showing ID?
MayaTheSiren
You can't
MayaTheSiren
I dont know where you live, but I feel like that isnt fully the case.
AtaraRoma
They probably do have some preliminary background check based on my license, but I run background checks at work in 10 min.n
flapperfemmefatale
Not in Missouri.
Wombatish
Missouri repealed their universal background check law (meaning private sellers used to have to bgc for handguns, no longer do) - they *c*
Wombatish
*c* cannot and have not circumvented the Federal requirements for background checks from dealers.
flapperfemmefatale
Agreed. But background checks should be required for all transfers
Wombatish
I don't disagree, but 'should' wasn't the point at hand. I was just clarifying 'is' c:
LonelyBrannigan
Also trucks provide much more utility than rifles
ridge
Maybe to someone in a downtown metropolis.
puppyflips
Don't underestimate rifles:
Coyote8
You obviously never seen someone open a bottle with a gun!!
gnargnar99
Or turn off the light. It works great. Especially you hate light bulbs.
marsgoose
Depends on what your problem is, it'd be hard to haul 40000lbs of rebar with a rifle, it would also be hard to defend your home with a truck
Gawky
isn't most guns suppose to be locked in a safe, seperate fro the ammunition?
supersomatic
debatable. America was built on the rifle.
LonelyBrannigan
America was built on the car, are you kidding me?!
JoeJoesing
Yeah...we defeated the British with trucks...
poochyena
Because 18th century warfare is totally comparable to 21st century warfare.
Dagordae
We defeated the British with the French. I don't see people demanding the right to form treaties.
heynongman4pres
We defeated the British with a popular movement and foreign aid from the French, Spanish and Dutch. Militia were useless in most battles.
Klingon00
Same with fire extinguishers. But when there's a fire, I'll be very glad I have one.
shreddedking
well you won't be shot if you use fire extinguishers during firebut if you start using gun during active shooter scenario you'll be 1/
shreddedking
mistaken as psycho gunman and shot down by police
MyPasswordIs1234
Yes, you have to consider that. But usually police arrives some time after shooting starts. You wouldn't use a gun if it was already there.
shreddedking
my god this comparison is so lame. extinguisher is used to stop fire. whereas guns in hand of psycho civilians is like throwing gasoline 1/
kittybuttwiggle
What about fire extinguishers in the hands of psycho civilians? Don't apply an extra circumstance to one but not the other.
Dagordae
At that point you have an annoyance, not a deadly threat. Suffocating someone with an extinguisher is fairly hard and they make shitty clubs
shreddedking
man you wouldn't want to take up guns and start shooting in active shooter scenario. you'll be mistaken as shooter and shot down by police
shreddedking
on fire and police or swat are the fire extinguishers. do you take up guns in active shooter or terrorist attack scenarios or leave it to 2/
shreddedking
professional counter terrorist or swat force?
TinySupreme
Let me just tell the psycho shooter to hold on for 10 minutes and wait for the cops to get here. I'm sure he will understand.
RobertNAdams
I wouldn't use a fire extinguisher if the Fire Dept. was there. However, I have several because they might not make it in time to save me.
TheGame21x
You're not more likely to have a fire break out if you own a fire extinguisher. You are, more likely to be shot if you own a gun, though.
TinySupreme
Well, yea. You're also more likely to get attacked by a shark in the ocean. That argument is not a good one.
Klingon00
CDC study says otherwise. More likely to survive without injury in an attack. https://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/1
TheGame21x
https://www.bustle.com/articles/92454-does-owning-guns-make-you-safer-statistics-say-youre-actually-at-much-higher-risk-of-being
Klingon00
CDC disagrees. More likely to survive attack without injury while armed. https://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/1
Eastfield
No, they're saying that if you're being attacked a gun will help you. That's not contrary to what the article above states.
Leithreas
Downvotes for facts. The gun fetish of imgur continues.
Klingon00
https://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/1 here facts that says otherwise.
Hybris51129
Gun fetish? What site are you on? This place is rabid anti-gun most of the time to begin with.
TheGame21x
I'm used to it.
rtarmellino
What if someone is breaking into your home?? A lot good that truck is going to do for you!!
bobisslack
If I shine my truck's lights on them from the living room, start up that big ol' diesel, and blare the air horn, you know they'll leave.
JoeJoesing
Is that what the fire extinguisher is for?
rtarmellino
Fire extinguisher?!? Now I'm lost.
Gawky
dosn't most gun owners have to lock them up in a safe seperate from the ammunition?
TossABabyYodaToYourWitcher
Odds are they just want your TV
dualmonocles
Well they can't fuckin have it
rtarmellino
Maybe they will take the truck keys and leave the TV - they can't have the DVR though, that's not cool.
TinySupreme
Yea... I'm not going to trust a criminal in my house with odds. You break in your ass is getting new holes put in you.
imsam77
"Except, driving is a privilege allowed by the state, not an inherent right of freedom"
KingBanana8008
Well technically if we’re talking about rights the amendment actually just say you have the right to gather up a posse and use guns with it.
MissingImage
loopyloopus
fullerslondonpride
The right to bare arms and form a malitia.?
Naiirita
Militias are formed by the state. But they are made up of already armed citizens. thats why you need a armed citizenry to form a militia.
SavageDrums
Sure, if you're in a well regulated militia, go nuts!
Naiirita
By definition Most Citizens are eligible to be part of the militia and thus need to know how to use gun before being called up.
BrownskinOriental
Healthcare = privilege. Guns = a right. This country's so backwards.
UrKungFuNoGood
maybe you can help me out with the math. first calculate how much labor my gun provides for me and others. I'll wait. jk I won't wait.
JifLover
Defending yourself = Right. Acquiring the services of others = Privilege.
Hamncheezsandwich
Both things are badly abused in the us
kaztas
This is one of the most missed statements on this.
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
You rarely need to defend yourself. And you're very much ignoring that government healthcare systems pay doctors. It's not slavery.
Vespy
Easily destroying others at will = right. Agreeing to be universally against sickness and death = privilege.
rollercostarican
the argument is how many limitations can be applied on what you can use to defend yourself
JifLover
The democrats are against semi-automatic weapons. They often conflate them with automatic weapons. Semi-Autos are nearly all guns. So...
rollercostarican
yeah they are referring to full-automatic, i wouldnt get caught up with semantics in open debate forum. You CAN defend yourself with a semi
WhiteNateDogg
The right to buy a gun and buy healthcare. Not government provided guns and healthcare. You're logic needs work.
Tunaccat
"The Justice System = for revenge and retribution" is another good one.
SnesC
Bad comparison. You have the right to seek healthcare just like any service. Also, nobody gets free guns.
ITalkAboutGoats
Yeah! Just like food. It's totally okay for people to starve for lack of money.
imooforyou
Haha that was the lamest excuse yet.
killer10347
Plenty of people get free guns as gifts!
SnesC
Not from the government they don't.
killer10347
Military! Police! :P
StarrryNight
Oh the right to seek healthcare. How very generous
SnesC
There's nothing "generous" about rights. You don't get them because someone felt bad for you. They're always there.
ImHereToTellYouThatsWrong
they are there because you or someone else fought for them, if you think they were always there it's because you forgot who fought for them.
WhatExactlyIs
not saying our healthcare is perfect by any means but free healthcare means higher taxes, which is just another thing people bitch about.
StarrryNight
No it doesn't. It means spending your taxes more sensibly.
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
Actually we pay more for health services in taxes than nations with free healthcare.
HappyEngineer
That argument makes no sense. No one's trying to ban healthcare or hand out taxpayer-funded guns. Though actually, maybe it's worth a try...
Qualtagh
Tons of people have tried and for a while succeeded in banning abortions.
G3ologist
The way the law is written implies that individuals should have access to the same arsenal as the Govt. Where are my suitcase nukes?!?
blackGlovesMcCrazyBeard
Except there are billions of dollars worth of externalities that are generated from our gun culture, paid by the tax payers, so...
imooforyou
No one's trying to flat out ban all guns.
OnlyWantToSayOneThing
Because they choose to do it with taxes and wait times instead. I would rather talk to my local sheriff for 10 mins to buy a gun 1/2
OnlyWantToSayOneThing
Than to wait 3 weeks and pay an $800 tax stamp. But no one wants to make it safer, they just want it to be harder. Hard=/=safe. 2/2
onthe6ball
the more government got involved, the more expensive healthcare became. I could easily afford it as a young man, and I did.
RandyBats
Same here. In the 90s I paid $25 a month for full insurance, no copay or anything through my work. Now it's $600 a month
ITalkAboutGoats
Except for every other country with government healthcare.
Octwo
They still pay for it through tax. (Anti-Idiot Disclaimer: before someone starts arguing, I'm stating a fact, not arguing against it.)
StarrryNight
wrong
Zahnradfee
Huh. Odd how other countries do it. Their governments must be on Mars given how well their health care systems work.
RandyBats
Or their politicians not as corrupt and greedy?
Tanwolf
The problem with the US is it's too expensive partly from insurance companies. Gov mandating insurance just fuels the problem. Need to >>
Tanwolf
address the cost of healthcare so it is more affordable then the gov can cover the poor.
Tanwolf
Health insurance = privilege. Doctors need to be paid for their services. Some do willingly donate them to the needy.
rlfcl
1/2 afaik, police officers, firefighters and road workers like to get paid too, from your taxes. the arbitrary line that defines healthcare
rlfcl
2/2 as a privilege and not a right doesn't make sense to many if not most people outside of the states given its importance to society.
Tanwolf
I never said healthcare wasn't a right, I said health insurance isn't a right. As for the PO, FF, and Roadcrew, they get paid from a public
StarrryNight
Healthcare = right.
TwistMyNipples
You have the right to access healthcare & pay for it just as you have the right to do the same with arms.
Tanwolf
Heathcare is not health insurance. Healthcare is being able to see a doctor. Health insurance is not health care.
StarrryNight
No one needs health insurance. They need healthcare.
imgurforants
Really? How do you figure? Why do I have the inherent right to someone else's services?
Tunaccat
Because we live in a society. I pay taxes that go towards services I don't use. Healthcare should be one of them.
rlfcl
1/2 Why is a doctor so fundamentally different from a police officer, firefighter, or road maintenance worker for that matter? all are
StarrryNight
What do you mean someone else's services? Who are you referring to?
aleister94
This argument doesn't really work because cars didn't exist when the constitution was being written
WiqidBritt
And guns held one shot and took more than a minute to reload...
MadmanApex
ARs & AKs, bump stocks and a more civilized society didnt exist either when the 2nd was written... 1791 was basically still "the wild west"
flapperfemmefatale
So then restrict as much as voting is.
cjandstuff
Can we round up people in busses to get them guns, and then cry and scream when asked to show ID? I mean it is a right!
flapperfemmefatale
So sure? My only point is that it seems stupid to make voting harder than gun ownership
Naiirita
Does voting require a class you have to pay for, mandatory background check and in some locations, only at the whim of a elected official?
flapperfemmefatale
No, but in my state neither does owning a gun.
flapperfemmefatale
I mean, you can already do that in regards to private sales...
maniacalmacaroni
Guns aren't an inherent right of freedom. They're a right provided to us by an amendment to the constitution of this particular country.
maniacalmacaroni
It's semantics, I know, but hyperbole quickly becomes fact in the US and people start believing things...
WorldsSmallestMegaDick
They are not provided by the amendment, they are upheld by the amendment. Rights come from you as a person not the government.
StarrryNight
No, rights come from your government. They don't come from you as a person. What nonsense are you on about.
WorldsSmallestMegaDick
The concept of natural rights the literal actual foundational belief of the US, its literally the first sentence of the DOI
StarrryNight
Good for them. Isn't true though. There are no natural rights.
maniacalmacaroni
And I don't believe owning a gun is one of them, as I said.
WorldsSmallestMegaDick
Well you'd be sort of correct, the right is the right to self defense
maniacalmacaroni
On this we are in agreement. It's the actual gun part that was specified in order to uphold that right to self-defense in the 2nd amendment.
bigdiggie
People who think like the person you commented to are uneducated and scary to behold
WorldsSmallestMegaDick
To be fair to them when you have popular senators saying healthcare is a right they are essentially saying the same thing
maniacalmacaroni
I have degrees neuroscience and bioengineering, but by all means consider me uneducated because I disagree with you about something that is
maniacalmacaroni
Very clearly subjective and based upon a philosophical perspective about which rights are God-given and which aren't. Did Alexander the
bigdiggie
so this makes you educated on the foundations of our republic and why the 2nd amendment was written into the constitution?
StarrryNight
The people who are scary to behold are the autistic gun fondlers who falsely think guns are a human right.
bigdiggie
I wonder if you would feel that way if you were a Jew in Nazi Germany or a russian born under Stalin or an Armenian in 1941 Turkey
bigdiggie
You are an uneducated student of the present
Andalite
You have the right to defend yourself, both against other private citizens and against a corrupt government. Guns are kind of an important
StarrryNight
You don't have the right to use a gun to defend yourself.
Andalite
What hellish country do you come from that you can't use a gun to defend yourself against someone trying to kill you?
StarrryNight
What backwards ass 1800s wild west hellish country do you come from that a civilian can start a shoot out in the street? Oh, the USA.
Andalite
part of that, which is why it's UPHELD, not given, by the 2A.
Andalite
And would you also say the same of human rights? After all, N.K. has plenty of human rights violations. But since they don't recognize human
Andalite
rights, I'm sure you're fine with that too, following your logic.
StarrryNight
No, they're not. Because your govt would crush you like an ant if it wanted to.
Andalite
Right. Remember on April 19th, 1775 when Britain crushed the smaller, ill-equipped American rebels? God only knows where we'd be today if
StarrryNight
A gun isn't an inherent right of freedom.
RandyBats
But it can be a necessity in remaining free.
StarrryNight
Not in private hands it isn't
RandyBats
You obviously have no clue what happened in Europe and Asia in the last century. The citizens were the first disarmed by their governments>
RandyBats
before the gov took over and killed them. But what's history anyhow right?
StarrryNight
And that's away to happen in the USA is it? Why isn't happening right now in the Netherlands, or UK, or Belgium, or Germany.
DoctorMantisTobogganMD
the funny thing is that guns are a privilege allowed by the country
wiilyc22
bigdiggie
you couldn't be more wrong
MOTHERFUCKING
No.. they aren't.
ImgursLibertarian
Arms are a natural right. The right to self defense.
DoctorMantisTobogganMD
Shit fam I thought we were talking about like legal wise. My bad
Jattetont
Indeed! That's why every person has a right to own nukes. A few mushroom clouds each year is just the price of freedom!
TinySupreme
Woohoo libertarians! The only slightly sensible party who actually somewhat cares about the people not the government.
ImgursLibertarian
yay
CrappleJack
Except that it's us not an unlimited right, witness registration and background checks. States regulate it quite a bit. Your cliche is shit
AnusAtTheBaseOfTheTorso
You know that when we invent laser guns they'll be protected for ownership under the first amendment immediately
Naiirita
Maybe, The courts rule the 2st amendment only applies to conventional weapon of the day. Thats why swords are no longer protected.
AnusAtTheBaseOfTheTorso
So if someone threatens me and I defend myself with a sword (instead of a gun) then I committed murder?
Naiirita
No, it means if Someone tries to ban swords in a jurisdiction, you cant challenge on 2nd ammendment grounds.
flarflarf
there are no unlimited rights.
fleacollerindustry
I think the point is: you need a license to operate a vehicle. You can't license a right. You don't have a "free speech license", do you?
YourBossAndLandlordLikePolitics
Varies state by state. On average it's gotten more loose after Sandy Hook etc. Gun violence is coincidentally 13-15% worse in looser states.
YourBossAndLandlordLikePolitics
http://news.stanford.edu/2017/06/21/violent-crime-increases-right-carry-states/
TheAsterite
Yet Baltimore's gun crime has gone up since the g&s ccw and pistol laws were enacted.
Uuudd
Same as carrying firearms, there are rules you need to obey and states regulated where when why how and with what. Reg and training req. too
TinySupreme
I recently got my CCW. You dont need any training but they do a thorough background check. Only about .1% of CCW holders commit crimes. 1/2
Uuudd
Tiny Supreme, some states like mine require ccw permit holders to undergoe a state certified cirriculum by an approved trainer! Just basics.
TinySupreme
And that percentage is all crimes not just violent ones 2/2
YourNeighbor1
What state do you live in? Most states as far as I'm aware do training as a prereq. For the license
TinySupreme
Im in Nevada. I forgot about the "training" which was just pretty much "can you shoot the target at 3 different distances?"
TinySupreme
Yeap. I was just about to head to the machine gun store and buy me a silencer and a 5,000 round clipozine to go with my assault knife.
Canofminus
I'm going to head down the local gun show and buy an AR-15, no background check at all. I may have a criminal background but stopping me 1/?
Canofminus
would mean you may hinder my rights, but no one wants criminals w/weapons so it all makes sense to the pro-gun people 2/2
Naiirita
You likely wont be able to buy one there, the loop-hole thing is a myth. Internet is better bet.
TheAsterite
I'm starting to lean more towards requiring proof on citizenship and residence and id to vote now.
filthystink
Nope, that is un-American https://thinkprogress.org/federal-court-to-texas-yup-your-voter-id-law-is-racist-5e6ab23c3308/
Imgurkoff69
So if ensuring only citizens vote, then the whole Russian thing was absolutely legal, since we can allow anyone to vote?
skwerl
You think illegal immigrants voted the Cheeto into office?
somekindafuckingidiot
strongly agree with your sentiment, but you do know he lost the popular vote right?
rudejohn
"BUT THAT'S RACIST AND UNFAIRLY BIASES AGAINST THE DEMOCRAT PARTY!" -Democrats, supported disproportionally by illegal voters.
StrayLilCat
Take a fucking sip of the kool-aid, babe
Predicto
Conservatives do love their mythology.
heynongman4pres
No evidence of significant numbers of illegal immigrants voting. Plenty of evidence that voted ID laws are designed to suppress legal votes
rudejohn
Not always doing it illegally. Pandering for votes. http://www.newsweek.com/immigrants-are-getting-right-vote-cities-across-america-664467
Imgurkoff69
Investigation is going strong, plus we already had districts in California with over 140% voter turnout.
heynongman4pres
Fine with that so long as it is coupled with programs that ensure the poor are provided with such IDs
TheAsterite
Which would ironically make it easier for the poor to buy guns too, so I doubt that'll happen lol
Imgurkoff69
You can go to your DMV and pay around $5 for an ID. That argument is irrelevant.
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Predicto
That isn't even remotely true. Try again.
heynongman4pres
I'm OK with a voter ID requirement in principle, but in practice it must be politically neutral, otherwise it's just a sham by the GOP.
heynongman4pres
In every state? Listen, Republicans are on record saying these ID laws are about suppressing Democratic votes. I just want to stop that.