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Someone who I thought was quite smart and has gone to college posted this. It’s sad to see an education so wasted. She is a nurse and has grown up caring for patients in a small town nursing home. It’s terrifying to think any medical professional could be okay with this. It took moments of research to find out why nasal swabs were the preferred way of testing. It was originally to avoid contamination. If anyone has further information I’d love to read up on it.
Please wear a mask, and don’t spread false “information”. We will never get past this virus if people keep making things up about it.
Bigemedic
I stopped at “nurse in a small town nursing home”. No offense to nurses, but the best and brightest of them don’t work in nursing homes
beachpupper
I had no idea why testing was done this way, but I figured there's gotta be a good reason. Radical idea, i know, trust science and experts.
Valkyrja218
Well thank god I can get my implant like this and do not have to wait for the vaccine anymore!
tekobo
smart and college education aren't necessarily synonymous
Unisaurusrex
College has nothing to do with it. You don't need a degree to be smart.
ilovebigmutts
Karen's daughter katel¥n
ciamb3lla
Swab through the nose to not trigger cough reflex via mouth (cough spreads virus, so avoid for the safety of the person administering test)
ciamb3lla
Guessing back of your throat because it’s a part of your airway, and this is a respiratory virus. Probably less contamination and higher
ciamb3lla
viral loads, which may increase sensitivity/specificity of the test as no test is perfect. ?
mmontour
That's only half nuts. There is actual research showing that saliva samples are a valid testing method and might be better than nasal swabs.
mmontour
E.g. https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200521/Nasopharyngeal-swab-vs-saliva-for-COVID-19-diagnosis.aspx
FoggyBoggy
The pathophysiology of the disease begins in the nasopharyngeal area: hence one of the preliminary symptoms being the loss of taste of smell
FoggyBoggy
The disease also has a high transmission>symptom incubation, meaning that I could test the mouth or lungs, and get a negative while cotd.
FoggyBoggy
You are actively contagious. Some of the best samples come from the lower respiratory tract, but you're already intubated by then.
FoggyBoggy
Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK554776/ , frontline RN in outbreak hotspot, and I actually paid attention in school.
Triumphtt600
You people in the US are fucked. Governed by the biggest idiot in the history of the world you guys are seriously fucked. Feel sorry for ya.
coderay
Why do people think anyone would need to IMPLANT a computer chip in us when we voluntarily carry around smart phones?
Cowfister
It felt like it touched the back of my skull. So damn weird.
grumpycatreincarnated
My coworker shared this too. Always knew she wasn't the brightest bulb, but didn't realize it was THAT bad.
hesbeginningtobelieve
Lol unless they’ve since suffered traumatic brain injury, you were mistaken. This girl was never smart. She’s dumb as horse shit.
hesbeginningtobelieve
She’s straight cracker jack retarded.
Targe0
People can be very smart in one or two areas and utter dumb asses in others.
JustDriftingAboutTheInterWebs
scandia
I love this gif so much.
emocin
I love this man.
ASaNONEXPERTiAPPROVE
Didn’t he say he avoided telling people to wear masks back in March cause he didn’t want there to be a shortage? Lives could’ve been saved.
MaybeIllDisappear
He had to make a tough decision. I personally think it was the wrong decision, but the rest of his advice has been worth listening to.
Nobody7713
It's also worth keeping in mind that our understanding of the pandemic has grown significantly in the last months.
Vexedi
Lives were being saved... by the people who needed the masks most. It's a horrible and tough decision to make, but somebody had to.
CptRobotNinja
I literally just saw this bullshit on my facebook feed. Im exhuasted arguing with these people.
RealityIsOftenDisappointing
You can't pry open a mind by force. unless torture is on the table...
CptRobotNinja
Its on the table...well the rack...you know what I mean
RealityIsOftenDisappointing
I do, but I've had to stop posting gifs of them on here because... mods... :(
CptRobotNinja
Because nobody ever listen to poor Zathras
pandasmakemehappy
Want to see something horrific? /a/axGhFFh
DmForDucks
I ain't clicking
pandasmakemehappy
Good, save your eyes and your sanity from unadulterated stupidity
RamPaig3
charlottadupont
You're right, that is fucking horrific
CarlottaVonSprockett
NOOOOOOOOO
cre8majic
the deep nasal swab is because they need "pure" new mucus becoz saliva can contaminate the sample
MysticYoYo
You lost me at “becoz”.
cre8majic
anyways, it's not a pleasant procedure, like having the bas of your brain scratched
duhqueenmoki
As someone who just finished their master's last week... College is such a scam. And it doesn't imply intelligence at all, just attention.
Crimpwithyourthumb
This might say more about the test itself and less about the how transmissible COVID is. Aka, not a very sensitive test
emilytangerine8910
If they can tell so much from my mouth why do they have to scrape my cervix to check for STDs or cancer?
665NeighborOfTheBeast
I suspect because you've been a bad girl
emilytangerine8910
Yes. So bad.
arcenlapin
If she's a nurse and she's starting to spread unsafe and incorrect propaganda, it needs to be reported. She could be putting people at risk.
gagamonster87
One of my old instructors (mil tech school, he’s retired) posted a similar conspiracy. I’ve never been quite so disappointed in my life.
mephisto611
Using a nasal swab is far more reliable mostly because there's a higher concentration of viral particles in the nasopharynx compared to (1/?
mephisto611
The mouth, so you're a lot less likely to get a false negative. Source: my infectious diseases lecturer 2/2
Twiddist
I feel like she has a point with the mouth swabs, I mean if the virus is in your sinuses wouldn't it be in your saliva too?
PangolinBan
Not necessarily, and more importantly not necessarily in high enough concentration to be detected reliably. It starts out in the nose, 1/2
PangolinBan
2/2 so if you're tested early enough after getting infected the nose is the only spot that can show a positive test result.
fadingtheory
My college campus has a fairly large nursing student population. I don't trust nurses anymore.
Jusmar
They're power tripping karen's in training
CoraciasLilac
I taught anatomy to the pre med freshman. I told them I don't want them as my nurse/dr/etc quite a lot.
AisforApple
I know a few who are into homeopathy and see naturopaths. Bonkers.
euphoricopportunity
I used to confuse homeopathy and osteopathy ....
ihateeggs
They arent nurses. They're stupid students
strapontin
Stupid students often graduate to be stupid nurses...
TisIChenoir
Tbf, I too ask myself why the need to scratch your brains through your nose to test for Covid. Can science of Imgur explain?
SkyxzStone
Less chance of contamination
TheNurse3000
Nurse here, saliva flushes dead viral particles. oral swabbing would have to be done within 2 days of symptoms. Nasal is more effective
eadanke
Viruses can't replicate effectively using just any cell. Covid-19 replicates in the lungs, nasal passages, and intestines. The virus could>
eadanke
be in the mouth during transfer, but if they're attacking cells and replicating, they are in the nose, lungs or intestines.
eadanke
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/04/200422132556.htm
eadanke
Eventually your body's immune system can get hijacked and make proteins available to attack other cells, but you won't need a test by then.
Targe0
High consecration of viral cells making it easier to detect. That means its got better odds to not give a false negative.
euphoricopportunity
High consecration is something else.
Targe0
There is a new cheek swab test that has just been approved for field use and its testing method is more sensitive, thus can use lower -
Targe0
concentration samples. But its only been available for a few weeks and its still in the air if its as effective as the existing test.
Yargghh
Right?
TH3G3RB
pbubs
Corrodias
Do you suppose the "we report; your decide" approach was *deliberately* designed to foment anti-intellectualism, or it's just a side effect?
iusepaint
So anyways. Why can’t it be tested by a mouth swab. Asking for a friend.
combatwombat0
Mouth swab is still new and isn't everywhere yet
BillandTedsUnremarkableTripToCostCo
With PCR you’re amplifying a very, very tiny signal. You need to go where the signal is strongest if you want a good chance of detecting it.
OriginalSyn
There is a throat swab now, my wife got it before she went to visit her folks last weekend
pbubs
In the UK its a single swab for tonsils and nose (you do the tonsils first)
Starhaven350
Going to college no longer means they are smart
GettingPaidToPoop
Some of the stupidest people I've ever met were university teachers.
Napsaremymistress
College staff member, can confirm.
InsertCleverNickname
Everyone I work with has a college degree and I can attest to this 100%
FartBoxExtract
It never did. Your ability to parrot something back should never be classified as intelligence.
flamingosplease
I am SO disappointed in nurses who do this shit (am also nurse). We should know better! People trust us and this person is abusing that
Omnipotence0
Never did.
Aaronb1138
Never has. It's a check box for employment since the 80's.
Dragongurl392
My mother’s a nurse. When I was in 7th grade, I had to convince her that the R in MRI didn’t stand for “Renaissance”. She argued with me.
FrolickingFrolicking
Normal people listen to vaccines and understand caution. College/pseudoscience entitlement makes a person think they’re smarter than every1
ATATtightropeWalker
Your mom went to college.
anonabus
I went to a pretty expensive and private collage late 2000s and most people were not highly intelligent. Absolutely some were, but not most.
LuftMeister
I’ve seen a lot of people at college parties chant “D’s get degrees!” So, you’re absolutely correct.
Psychonoticon
Cucumberclouds
Same boat.
deekermans31415
Trump went to a relatively prestigious college. It hasn't meant much for quite some time.
ILiekBirdz
As a recent College Graduate, I feel entitled to correct this sentence; it should read: "Going to college means they are no longer smart"
PoorAmI
Can you pass that info on to every HR dept and hiring manager? Thanks.
swellguy18
My company hires those without college degrees. They've been fired in under 2 years. Maybe coincidence I admit. Many personality issues.
Safebox36
As a not idiot: why does it have to be taken from the back of the nose like that if it can spread through droplets?
Iloveanonymityandilovebeingnoticed
From other replies to the same question: virus is more concentrated up there in early stages. Also prevents contamination.
SmallTiddyGothGremlin
To prevent contamination from other bacteria or viruses running around in your mouth, food debris, or say, the soda you just drank.
PangolinBan
Because that's where the infection first takes hold. If you're tested long enough after being infected saliva tests will probably work 1/3
PangolinBan
2/3 (though there are some other factors that make sinus swabs more reliable still) but if you're tested early you can already be infected
PangolinBan
3/3 without the virus being present in sufficient concentration in your saliva to be detected there yet.
Exyr
This virus isnt going to go away.
KhajiitIsPleased
In America
Exyr
If you think that you're quite naive
KhajiitIsPleased
Oh I know. I was being hyperbolic considering how poorly the States have handled it
TurangaLeelaIsMyMom
Didn’t you hear? It will if we just stop testing for it!
ImTheManderson
My dad said it would run its course and go away. Then referenced the Spanish flu that killed at least 50 million people before it was gone ?
justwantmemes
Of course it’s going away. Things will be open by Easter. And our current fifteen cases will soon be down to zero. /s
LordNergal
The good news is, everyone will have plenty of resistance after COVID-33.
PangolinBan
Tests in Belgium showed the percentage of the population with antibodies went down with time, as the lockdown measures had taken effect. 1/2
PangolinBan
2/2 They don't stay very long.
AisforApple
Cool, my kids will be off to college by then.
LordNergal
Oh, I have bad news about that... Colleges won't be offline anymore by then.
Hexxxxxxxxx
Assuming antibodies last, which so far has not been proven
LordNergal
Last I saw, they were talking 8 weeks for naturally-occurring antibodies. We apparently shed those pretty rapidly.
Neboskrebnut
That would put the whole vaccine effectiveness in question. Not completely but still