Red2791
554461
15198
728
Probably a repost. Posting for awareness
May 7, 2017 3:59 PM
Red2791
554461
15198
728
Probably a repost. Posting for awareness
AnythingMuchShorter
I think she might mean in regards to providing care and support. Hopefully not to punishing the accused.
gopms
You guys do know that To Kill a Mockingbird is fiction right?
groundfyter
Yeah, ask the Duke lacrosse team if they agree.
Stonejrod1
OmenRider
That is why you should ALWAYS support and comfort the victim, but NEVER try to take the law into your own hands or act against the accused.
OmenRider
You can get the victim the help he/she needs, but without possibly ruining the life of a falsely accused "perpetrator."
Ordinaryaccount
If the world's fucked up enough for rapists to exist, it's fucked up enough for liars to exist
TheFischerking4
Joesph nepoose Saskatchewan. In jail 35 yrs for rape. Was dropped with dna evidence. .. he was guilty of being the only native in area
HolyBroly
Still can't believe they didn't convict OJ
tracereading
The burden of proof is on the accusers.
MarCarrot
it's only logical to be that way too
Bennings
Posting for *upvotes
ThatGuyWithThe3DS
I love how the comments are unironocally saying "won't somebody please think of the accused for once!"
MHfromNH
for fuck's sake, false claims are extremely rare. rarer than rapists actually being convicted. knock this shit off.
raidleadergutts
"Stop talking about false rape accusations men! It's not a problem at all & if you disagree you must hate all women!" - MHfromNH
teknoman117
I was privy to a false allegation myself. A woman who I was renting a room from tried to pull this on her boyfriend when he left her.
teknoman117
Among that and some other things, I moved the fuck out very soon after that.
TormentedPenguin
The words "He was charged/Accused of rape" despite innocence are some of the most damaging words to a person today! INVESTIGATE w/o names
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
How do you do that though? If no one knows someone's being investigated, how can people with evidence come forward? Other victims, or /1
[deleted]
[deleted]
Lugh314159
Publication ban? Press gag orders are quite common. It doesn't hinder Police investigation not to have this stuff on the evening news.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
possible witnesses to other events? You're cutting off that whole possibility. Cosby would never have been caught if the allegations /2
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
weren't made public, because most of the victims were either too scared to come forward alone, or thought it would be useless. But once /3
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
they realized they weren't alone, they saw that it was worth coming forward. /4
[deleted]
[deleted]
thecolonels
I like how they dont mention the law in the post and it clearly addresses the issue of disbelief leading to many rapes being unreported..
Falsie
Men are so terrified that they'll get falsely accused despite it being such a rare occurrence that they have 0 presence of mind on the issue
Treefur
The studies are anywhere from 5% to 30%. Most meta-analyses peg it around 10%. 1 in 10 is not rare in the slightest.It's a very real concern
thecolonels
Not even close to as big of a concern as being raped by a man, though.
thecolonels
...which is a statistically larger problem than false rape accusations but you are all fuckin idiots who want to judge some lady's facebook.
yeekee
because the nice guys guys not getting laid need to believe that they are the sexual victims in society, and not women, who are lying 1/2
yeekee
manipulative whores who fuck jerks and assholes and not them! Same ones who think rape lies happen more than actual rape 2/2
stewartm0205
The major problem in the past was that law enforcement treated rape as the fault of the woman and most rapist got away with it.
RMaybeth
Because the cops have seen so many women lie about it time and again, heLLOOOO
redwhale335
In the past?!
Ipostdoges
I was named after the guy on the left
Red2791
Gregory peck or Atticus Finch?
Ipostdoges
Character
27yoUGLYvirgin
Although today a somewhat odd name, I think thats really cool, and actually a cool name too.
bizon1829
Solid namesake
WhichIsIt
Interesting name. Had a Pokémon named Charmander. Character would be a good name for a cat.
voiceafx
Believe the woman, but demand evidence for conviction.
borazhasleftthebuilding
way to be sexist.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
It should be that the cops take any accusation as a real possibility. Do the due diligence. Don't just brush it aside because the accuser /1
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
isn't acting the way you think a victim should act. The cops need to believe that the accusation is a possibility and act accordingly. /2
NeverEndingStoryMachine
This is the way it should be and so simple. This is the way we treat other crimes.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Exactly.
LadyofLifting
It's odd... People seem to think you can either blindly support or negligently disbelieve when it's not like that at all. 1/?
LadyofLifting
Once a rape is reported, yeah, it's less damaging to assume the victim is telling the truth. But that doesn't negate the fact that 2/?
LadyofLifting
Evidence has to be compiled before someone is arrested and/or charged. And yeah, it sucks that that means you have to relive the worst 3/?
LadyofLifting
Thing that has ever happened to you. But that's how we don't fuck up other people's lives. I can't just say someone stole my car without 4/?
LadyofLifting
Proof and expect to not have to provide any further information. It sucks. But you can pursue it and undergo the process or you can not. Fin
Ben1045
Don't believe anything. Do police work.
phoenin
I think Nicole raped me with her Facebook stupidity. I can press charges and not have them investigated now right?
Risqie
Under a militant leftist system, yes.
TormentedPenguin
just claim her public profile picture turned you on.. sexual assault!! I mean that is how it works.. right
DanMoshpit69
Beavis and Butthead did it first
TormentedPenguin
I know.. +1 for knowing the reference.
LargeCanine
I feel violated by Nicole and demand that my feelings trump her constitutional rights, the presumption of innocence and common sense.
Danceswithewolves
I believe you
tripozornike
You just did. Nicole is going down.
Asteroidrules
Daily reminder: less than 5% of rape claims are false, more than 66% of rapists go free.
Svartlebee
Actually, if you go by the USA, anything up to 10% are false and that isn't including the grey situations where no rape occurred, like
fluhatinrapper
I hear you and support your argument. However, these are absured and unquantifiable numbers.
SexyPorcupine
Exactly. That's why something needs to change.
Svartlebee
2/ with drunk intercourse or when high.
EpicNinjaDuckz
What a Jem.
Beiki
Yes. It's truly outrageous.
ignimbrite
I bet you had to Scout for that pun
Irish1228
I think he found it in the Atticus.
BringBackGoodMcdonaldsNuggets
dill pickles
spits1fire20
Boo!
prkrkllr
You pulled that off quite Radley if I do say so myself
spits1fire20
That's cause I live in Calpurnia
ifuckdragons
Ewell get yourself into trouble if you keep up with those puns
NSAgent
There is a huge gap between the amount of evidence I need to believe a victim and the amount of evidence I need to support a conviction. 1/x
NSAgent
And that's not just for rape, for all crimes. 2/2
NeverEndingStoryMachine
This is something that I don't think enough people understand/think about.
DeathclawDefibrillator
What do you mean?
TheTastiestTampon
My best friend telling me he was mugged I'll believe him. If he tells the police a specific person did it, there needs to be evidence.
Treefur
Don't start with best friend, or somebody close to you. Of course people will believe their friends/family when they say something happened.
Treefur
Ask why you shouldn't be skeptical when you hear a story, and wait for information to come forward? No reason to "believe" them then.
TheTastiestTampon
*eye roll* The original question was the difference between believing someone and convicting someone.
Treefur
The original question said you don't need proof to believe. I pointed out if it's anybody that you do not know personally, you should.
Kytt
Ugh God why the fuck does imgur have such a hard-on for the rare cases where men are falsely accused of rape. Defensive af.
[deleted]
[deleted]
Kytt
That's not true at all.
raidleadergutts
Lol, denial of it isn't going to make me unsee & unhear all the times it has been done.
Kytt
I have never said that men shouldn't complain about it - I'm saying that it happens far less than the times when it's genuine, and (1/2)
Kytt
maybe presenting the occurrence of false claims as if it happens as often as valid ones is disingenuous and designed to silence women.
Mangron
Because FUCK WOMEN.
TheMadHart
This +1 is not because I agree, but because of the giggle.
BeefFlaps
Because defrauding the criminal justice system is a VERY serious crime.
Prometheusblu
Which is why we also see posts rebuking people who falsely reporting other crimes like burglary or domestic abuse every month. Oh wait.
BeefFlaps
Just because we don't enforce the punishment enough doesn't mean it isn't a serious offense.
Stratego89
"rare"
Kytt
Yes, rare.
Stratego89
You have a very interesting definition of that word.
Stratego89
We don't have a hard-on for the cases. We have a hard-on for smacking down the dumb bitches like this who would create a world where any
Stratego89
woman OR MAN could ruin a person's life forever because they just don't like them.
RMaybeth
This is not rare. Women lie about it all the time.
Kytt
Nope.
CyborgScribe
Well, it's rarer than rape, which is probably the most relevant crime to compare it to.
faptheChap
I'm not so sure about this. There are plenty of men out there who get falsely accused of rape and their reputation goes down the drain.
Horloko
What do you mean "not so sure"?
faptheChap
You need proof before you accuse someone of a crime don't you?
IronicUsername
You're unsure about that? Anyway, that's the point of the post.
faptheChap
And all this before any proof of guilt is revealed.
TormentedPenguin
and even after they are proven innocent.. "He was charged with rape!!" is enough to fuck up anyone's life
faptheChap
Exactly. I know a guy who who was accused of rape, but the evidence showed it wasn't him. His life is still fucked, 5 years later
ThatOneGreekGuyNoOneLikes
Happened to a friend of mine. Let's just say life us pretty bad for him.
ThatOneGreekGuyNoOneLikes
Was*
StormheartKing
I know someone as well. Proved innocent in court, but mutual acquaintances still insist he was guilty and got away with it, because they 1/2
StormheartKing
believe it was something he might do, since they saw him as a jerk. He also got kicked out of his college before the trial. 2/2
HumanSlaya
A college football star was falsely accused, spent years in jail, and lost everything he worked hard for. All because the woman wanted money
Stegotops137
Brian Banks.
Lugh314159
…and other college athletes are /justly/ accused, and serve half a six-month sentence after raping an unconscious woman behind a dumpster.
HumanSlaya
The woman told on herself by means of social media specifically saying she did it for the money.
swinglinered
Doesn't she have to fix everything now?
RedWingsofSteel
But then there's Brock Turner who got 6 months for raping someone behind a dumpster.
YourWaifuIsTrash
Went beyond raping, he was sticking pine cones and other things inside her. Sickening that they think that's something you just shrug and >
YourWaifuIsTrash
say "everyone makes mistakes, he shouldn't lose his future over it", he literally sexually tortured an unconscious girl for entertainment.
Bisright
False claims are terrible but they are rare. It is much more common for a rapist to get away with it.
AaronPaulSturtevant
the fuck guys? this should be common knowledge.
Hermando
Why is this getting downvoted? According to rainn.org out of 1000 cases only 310 get reported and out of those 310 only 7 will lead to a
CyborgScribe
Butthurt mens rights people prolly doing the downvoting. Because you know...fuck numbers. It's about feelings.
IronicUsername
I'm guessing people mistook the comment as an endorsement of convictions without evidence beyond a reasonable doubt.
Loser37
Because this is imgur and imgur thinks false accusations are an epidemic and sexual assault a rare occurrence
Hermando
Felony conviction
Bisright
Unsurprisingly, those who believe false rape claims are really common are those who value internet points...
Bisright
I wrote it knowing it would get downvoted. A lot of the imgur community believes false rape claims are more common than actual rape
BananaAddedForScale
The only thing the imgur community believes in is circlejerking and you just, figuratively speaking, brought a vagina into play..
BillMurrayIsMySpiritAnimal
Atticus Finch is one of the most inspiring characters in all of literature
HoldMyQuesadilla
Scout didn't know any better and idolized his dad. He didn't deserve it though.
DancingPanther
You know, I've never really thought about it until now, but you're totally right.
Balisarius
And my all time favourite fictional father figure.
arkangelbb
Couldn't agree more, that book was incredible.
Lugh314159
…and if he had heard Mayella's story first, without knowing her or her father, or hearing the rest of the facts, he'd have believed her.
Lugh314159
I believe "trust, but verify" is applicable, here.
abhorance
He raised those kids on his own
princessuppercut
What about Calpurnia? She was there everyday, taught them manners and respect, taught Scout how to write...brought them to her church
itsybitsyspider
Their aunt too
couchguy421
I learned this fact from the movie "Almost Famous"
TurtleOnTheRocks
Clearly you never read the little engine that could
TheHumanCentipad
I think he was voted as top movie heroe but I dont recall who conducte the survey. Villain was Hannibal Lecter
impostersquall
Why is that? I need to read the book...
sm0115
Atticus Finch is the kind of person, and potentially father, I aspire to be.
ThatswhatIwasthinking
That's what I was thinking
fitzinimgur
Currently reading this.
HoldMyQuesadilla
Did you read "Go Set a Watchman"? He's a terrible human. He's racist and only believes in his own justice. In "To Kill a Mockingbird"
TheFrodo2
That's literally the first draft of To Kill a Mockingbird released for money. It's not a sequel.
HappyJello
What book?
secretbison
The way he lost the case and killed an innocent man, or the way he turned out to be a huge racist afterwards and against school integration?
DisgruntledFerret
Fun Fact: DC Comics seems to agree. They've had Superman say that reading To Kill A Mockingbird had a profound effect on him as a kid.
Inimposter
The glasses dude does look like Clark Kent.
Mordanzibel
Wonder what happens when he picks up Go Set a Watchman.
VeskaiTsumonit
He gets in touch with Batman.
Uriah30
So he goes out and destroys every big box store in middle America? C'mon Supes
lintwizard
Classic Superman would do exactly that. He once obliterated a shabby neighborhood to force the gov't to rebuild.
YourWaifuIsTrash
Holy shit, Superman is Kingpin with superpowers? (Minor Netflix!Daredevil spoilers)
GingerLaird
No, he did the wrong thing for the right reason. I'm betting he evacuated the neighborhood before he did.
jaimesgonnaeaturcookies
In some comics and movies Supes says that To Kill A Mockingbird is his actual favorite book
MustardTiger1337
Dudes a racist!!!
27yoUGLYvirgin
Please elaborate
justherefortheshitposting
In an unpublished first draft the publishers forced out for money. And he still did the right thing in spite of personal beliefs.
SolidBepis
DOnt read the 2nd book
xSquireRamza9
Um.... there's another book you should probably read before saying that
spammer206
The Idea that Atticus Finch held racist views but did the right thing makes him a stronger more interesting character in my opinion
YourWaifuIsTrash
Shhhh, Lee never wrote a sequel, the book ended right where it should have, and without ruining any good characterization...
SonOfTheShire
That's actually true. Go Set A Watchman isn't a sequel; it's a first draft.
27yoUGLYvirgin
What's the deal with that one, I don't know the story of the second one.
mediaman73
It was a draft of a novel written by Harper Lee, discovered after her death. In it, Scout is an adult, and Atticus expresses racist views.
DanniLee
But still. He's like the human version of "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it"
DanniLee
He had racial views but that didn't stop him from doing what was his job and right
princessuppercut
Atticus was a human being and had flaws-being a product of his time was one of them. He was a good lawyer who served his community
ThisAccountIsMainlyForUpvoting
Was looking for this. Sadly Lee basically got coerced into publishing the book. She never wanted it to be published.
BillMurrayIsMySpiritAnimal
I said one of, but pray tell, what book did you have in mind
xSquireRamza9
Go Set A Watchman. He's a full on member of the KKK
RagingOyster
No he's not. GSAW is not related to TKAM other than that it's a first draft. Lee never intended to publish it. It is not a sequel.
BillMurrayIsMySpiritAnimal
Exactly. Inspiring
leftypride
hahahaha Oh my hell. This tickled me pink hahaha.
leftypride
Boo Radley and Atticus are probably my favorite literary characters. Such a beautiful book.
CourtneyRocks
I'm wearing my Boo Radley hoodie today
leftypride
Boo Radley hoodie?!?!
CourtneyRocks
Yeah they are from this store called Boo Radley's in Spokane Washington. Pretty neato
27yoUGLYvirgin
He always makes me so sad though, for guy :(
secretbison
To be real, though, Boo almost certainly killed his dad.
27yoUGLYvirgin
Poor*
berneigh
I'm guessing you haven't read the sequel
BillMurrayIsMySpiritAnimal
I am indeed
MrDeadsr
Return of the mockingbird?
Ecgtheow
'How to Resurrect a Mockingbird'
berneigh
Go Set a Watchman
ItTookMeTooLongToGetAUsername
Except the fact in Go Set A Watchman it turns out he's actually been a racist his whole life.
Cyzyk
It's not a fact when you publish a deconstructive spinoff years later...
justherefortheshitposting
Which makes his behavior more admirable, not less. He didn't personally support his actions but knew they were right, and so he did them.
ItTookMeTooLongToGetAUsername
It still takes away from it though. GSAW should never have been published, except Harper Lee was pressured into it even in her mental state
alchemist23
Here's the bias: rapes happen everyday, they're not news, while a "false rape accusation" makes it to all the front pages.
raidleadergutts
Yeah, because Brock Turner TOTALLY wasn't on the front page for weeks, right? GTF outta here with your bullshit.
avKari
rape does not hit front covers to protect the victim. False accusations does to restore the reputation of the accused. This is very fair.
METAAAAAAAAAL
Brock Turner made the FP for a LONG time.
ZachPutland
People's lives have been ruined over false accusations, just because it's less common doesn't mean we should disregard it as a problem
ZachPutland
Thanks for the downvotes for no legitimate reason though
raidleadergutts
Imgur hates it when false rape accusations aren't downplayed because it's full of misandrist filth.
petrie911
No, what makes it to the news is accusations that later turn out to be false. Do you really think every false accusation makes the news?
BronzeLeaguePro
Well yes, because there's no redress for the man, and people think that it's fine because women don't see justice either. It's fucked up.
guyinthebushes
Well said, this site has an unnatural obsession with it.
raidleadergutts
Lol no it doesn't. What it does have are misandrist human trash like you who are upset about this topic being talked about at all.
RIPZaeed
I'm glad I'm not the only one who is aware of this.
CyborgScribe
Because false allegations seem to mostly be against men and this site has a sizable men's rights population.
Inimposter
Well it IS scary.
swinglinered
Echo chamber ---> hyperbole.
thecolonels
Even though it happens on par with other false accusations.
VultureTX
so about 8% if you're cool with FBI statistics.
whatiswrongwithyouppl
The UCR (FBI stat report) has several flaws to its method, plus there is no "false claim" check box in reporting to the UCR
thecolonels
The point is painting women as evil false rape accusers is based in wanting to be a victim
Treefur
Since this obviously happens so much....
KekmateMeinFreund
If people would 1: stop not reporting them and 2: Just teach children (not just boys) that sexual assault is wrong, it'd less of a problem.
matyles
Reporting sucks and rarely goes to trial. Rape kits and the questioning that comes with it is pretty traumatic in its own
petrie911
We do teach children sexual assault is wrong. The people who do it anyways don't care.
daromander
This is about supporting the victim, not guilt/innocence. Court needs evidence but when someone is opening up to you, don't ask for proof
HousePest
""""No matter the circumstances"""" I'm pretty sure court is a circumstance, and I'm pretty sure the poster didn't mean what you interpreted
reijigin
THIS. Jesus people, they don't mean the legal system should work this way.
Svartlebee
We can't make any assumptions about what they mean.
HitlersArtCritic
Sadly there's people who make false claims
PigMarshBetweenTwoSaltWaters
Don't ask for proof? If you accuse somebody of one of the worst crimes imaginable, you have to provide proof. Whether it be murder or rape.
PigMarshBetweenTwoSaltWaters
Jesus Christ
PrincessAnus
yep. it hurts like hell when what they say is "whats your proof". makes you even less likely to
dmkazich
How else do you expect law enforcement to go about it then? Any crime you accuse someone of doing is going to get you asked that question.
Ryannihilation
They're not talking about courts, they're talking about friends.
dmkazich
Well the original post has two men pictured in a court so....
Ryannihilation
That person's also taking it the wrong way. You shouldn't need proof to provide comfort to a friend. You /definitely/ need it to convict.
NeverEndingStoryMachine
There is a difference "Where is the proof?" and "What happened?" One is an accusation, the other lets law enforcement find evidence.
dmkazich
Idk how that logic makes sense but ok.
PrincessAnus
i was talking about when youre talking about it to a friend, a loved one, et cetera. it hurts something horrible to be accused of lying or
NeverEndingStoryMachine
Saying "Where is the proof?" is saying "I don't believe you and you need to prove it. "What happened?" is a request for corroborative detail
amglasgow
"Believe rape victims" doesn't mean believe them uncritically, but don't start with the assumption that they're lying like a lot of people.
iostream64
Exactly. The "believe no woman" mentality is just as bad as the "believe no woman can lie" mentality
TongueTiedLabourerfromtheLandoftheLittlePeople
Innocent until proven guilty, dangerous until proven safe. Worthy of compassion... always.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Very good way to put it.
TongueTiedLabourerfromtheLandoftheLittlePeople
Thank you inky. For that you may have a strawberry. :)
kworzora
You are lovely
kworzora
This is not sarcastic, I'm actually thanking you for being a considerate human being
spudpicker
As a teacher, I live in fear that a flunking kid will get revenge with this lie. Even exonerated, the stigma would be career-ending.
itsybitsyspider
It's just the way this person worded it sounded like one of those "if a woman said she was raped, she was raped period" sorta people
amglasgow
Well, maybe or maybe not, I don't know the context.
myingling
That's literally the definition of "believe" though -- "to hold something as true." Your sentiment is good, but you're misusing that word.
DeanOMiite
The tough part isn't "I was raped" it's "this person raped me." I don't believe that stuff until someone is proven guilty. Duke LaCrosse.
fencerman
Bingo.
AlwaysandEventuallyHannah
I feel like the biggest issue plaguing rape in criminal law is that everybody seems to immediately decide it's either true or a lie and (1)
AlwaysandEventuallyHannah
then refuse to change their mind. So victims don't wanna talk because they imagine nobody believing them no matter the evidence, and (2)
AlwaysandEventuallyHannah
guys fear false accusations because they fear that everybody will believe the accuser no matter the evidence (3)
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
The reason is that it's so hard to prove. Accusers can't prove they were raped and the accused can't prove that they're innocent. Because /1
RideTheStimutacs
Accusers absolutely can prove it, as long as there are signs of physical and mental trauma consistent with assault.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
you're usually not trying to prove whether sex happened, but whether consent happened, which is extremely difficult. /2
RideTheStimutacs
Yeah but, you know, Imgur loves to believe false accusations are just as prevalent as actual rape, or even more. Or so the FP indicates.
Mayonnaiseisainstrument
Honestly I think it IS worse, victims get all the help and will go back to relative normal life someday. Better than rotting in jail 1/2
Mayonnaiseisainstrument
2/2 for a long time and everyone basically looks at you with disgust as if you were a monster.
AustrailanSecurityIntelligenceOrganisation
It's not that it's that guys are powerless when it comes to this, there is very little we can do to fight the claim if it's false
bobtheaxolotl
Not nearly as common, but there's a fringe dogma that days they never happen, that men should be considered guilty if accused, and if (1)
bobtheaxolotl
you don't, you're a rape apologist. Now, these people aren't representative of feminism as a whole, but they're super loud.
bobtheaxolotl
And then they make people upset, who are very loud back, because humans are bad at understanding large groups with diverse voices.
ibuprofen87
I thought it meant "support the person as if they are telling the truth" not that you should assume the accused is guilty.
Svartlebee
Believing the person is telling the truth is assuming the accused is guilty.
amglasgow
That too.
PhoenixKing2454
What if a friend of mine is the accused and I know this person to be a "good" person. Whose side do I take
DafyddWillz
Try to be impartial until you know the truth. If there's proof they did it then stop supporting them but until then you can take their side.
inmat
Don't be the neighbor who says to the cops, "I never thought he could have slit the throats of ten people -- he was such a nice guy!"
inmat
It's not a matter of taking sides, it's a matter of finding out the truth.
PhoenixKing2454
True. But finding the truth is easier said than done.
amglasgow
Lots of people who others believe to be a good person have done bad things.
PhoenixKing2454
That's very true. But it doesn't rule out the fact that they might be innocent also
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Exactly. Right now the base assumption, even by many cops, is that they're lying. They don't even bother with an investigation. That's /1
malbec
Ohhhhhhh I'd love to see some source on that
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Also you can look at the responses on this post. Tons of people on here acting like a huge percentage of rape accusations are false, /1
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
rather than similar to other crimes. Which requires an assumption that a huge percentage of accusers are lying. /2
StormFrog
It's a problem of prejudgment on both sides. Don't assume accusers are liars and don't ruin lives on unproven allegations.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
what this is trying to address I think, although extremely badly worded. /2
ZashchishchayushchiysyaOsushchestvitelLzhesvidetelstva
That probably happens because statistics says that most of them are actually lying
AGloomyYou
Heads up, that's wildly inaccurate and you should do some research. Wouldn't want you to look dumb online or something
Pokecole37
Assume innocent, but still investigate. How the justice system works, but some people seem to think you only need half.
TheTimeless
I know someone who was raped, the first few months she couldnt even begin to talk about it, so she didnt press charges, now that she can 1/?
TheTimeless
talk about it, its been almost a year, and would have no way to "prove" it actually happened. There should be better laws for this.
swinglinered
There should be a time travel law that lets police go back and get the evidence when it is fresh.
FlaccidusPhallus
Its heavily unfortunate, but the law can never be perfect. If it can't be proven, then theres nothing that can be done.
NeverEndingStoryMachine
There are still ways to prove them, even years later. Tell when you can, let law enforcement and prosecutors make that decision.
ScrooblyDoobles
How could it be better? If you want justice you need to get a sexual assault forensic exam and go to the police. Not wait a year.
TheTimeless
It's really not that easy for a victim, if it was, this wouldn't be an issue, would it?
ExamRoom4
Like it's that easy for victims to get the help they need...
ScrooblyDoobles
1. I don't think many women are aware of the exam or that it's free. Which doesn't help. But the biggest problem is the mental trauma
ScrooblyDoobles
2. Causing women to say nothing out of shame/fear etc. Which I 100% get, but the tools are there to be used.
BushWookie73
Do half the people here not realise the picture is from "To Kill a Mockingbird"?
ltsDizzyD
I think most people on here have no idea this is from TKAM furthermore even know what that is
Pokecole37
inb4 people who read the book but didn't see the movie. That'd be unfortunate. I read and watched it though, so I understand.
AntiEvil007
https://img.memesuper.com/e1f7b6e9ce9e811a2665fc990e2a30db_is-it-to-kill-a-mockingbird-or-to-kill-a-mockingbird-memes_236-236.jpeg
Cortezdelanoche
Only half? You're far too kind.
Cacapeepeepoopoo
Yeah I don't understand this post. I don't get the to kill a mockingbird reference.
HodorIsADJ
Have you not read the book?
Cacapeepeepoopoo
It's more about whether atticus should represent tom because of his race. Not really about rape.
VindictiveRidge
Yet a key part of that story is that Tom Robinson's accuser LIED. She didn't do so with malice towards him, but she still lied.
Countercheck
A shame, because the film was actually a pretty good adaptation. Not perfect, but definitely commendable
BukakeNoHeroAcademia
The fact that they removed the inappropriate words kind of ticked me off when I read the book then watch the movie
Vaanhalen
I still can't believe that fact isn't obvious
nicoleaut
I agree Idk why anyone down voted you
Vaanhalen
tehflan
I get the feeling that's the case, yes.
technitium
high school made me read this shit and watch the movie
VodkaReindeer
I only read the wikipedia plot synopsis a couple of weeks back and I knew where this was from. Surely everyone must get it.
Khatvogel
Not all of us are American
BarryMoore
You should still have read this book. It won the Pulitzer, and is one of the great works of the 20th century.
Khatvogel
I read other classics :/
z3lfmoord
I'd say more than half, sadly.
MysteryCryptid
Yeah I realized that. Had to read the book and watch the movie in Year 10. Had to write and essay on it.
Vlascia
I've never watched the movie or read the book...but I still recognized that this scene was from To Kill a Mockingbird.
TheOne07
Yes.
shmekie
The movie is pretty old and most people only read the book in class. And that's mostly Americans.
AmpsterMan
What a terrible crime.
Arctopus
Until someone mentioned otherwise I thought it was 12 Angry Men
NickRivieraMD
this is joke yes?
JamesAwkboner
The original 12 angry men was a master piece, so I doubt it was a joke.
NickRivieraMD
There are a lot of masterpieces. Even a lot of black and white ones. 12 Angry Men has neither of these actors in it, and (1/2)
NickRivieraMD
...almost none of the film is set in a courtroom. So I figure commenter was joking about not knowing the difference between classics.
PenguinWhore
Never seen the movie, but the book is a good read.
SnowMercy
OF COURSE THEY DON'T! .....file this under things YOU should know by now
RideTheStimutacs
Also the book/film is more about horrible race relations than whether or not she was to be believed, so it's a thin analogy anyway.
GundamCustoms
I did of course know that before reading your comment. I am the part of the half that totally realized it...
BobDinosaur
I liked "How To Kill a Mockingbird", the prequel, better. I thought the pirates reminded the audience of global warming better.
Lugh314159
If Atticus, before he talked to Tom, heard Mayelle say she'd been raped, he'd believe her.
[deleted]
[deleted]
Lugh314159
Yes. That was a point _the book_ made. I'm talking about the point OP tweeter tried to make.
Stratego89
Ofc not. Because half the world these days are twats that choose to remain ignorant.
GodEmperorOfImgur
To be fair, TKaM is not really used that much at ALL outside of the US.
27yoUGLYvirgin
Complete unknown anywhere but English speaking countries. I only knew of it because of the movie.
getmepicturesofspiderman
Read it in school in the UK.
flubberfucker
"used"
GodEmperorOfImgur
As in "used as educational material."
ratfaceddog
Which is the only time some people read books.
saralita
Here in Sweden we read it too ????
WilliamFCody
Some of us read it in high school!
moefnym
German here, good story. Very terrifying and quite actual in terms of relevancy
girlsetsfire
I'm in Canada...tons of us read it in either middle school or early high school. Just sayin :)
GodEmperorOfImgur
Okay, okay... "Outside of America".
SexualConsent
I read it for my high school English class, it's a great book! On a related note, I saw that some schools in the US wanted to ban the 1/2
SexualConsent
book because it had racism in it and they say "nigger" in it a few times, sad what education has become nowadays
ratfaceddog
What a bizarre conclusion to reach because of "some schools."
SexualConsent
Poor choice of words. I meant it's sad that those schools have to miss out on a great classic because of others ignorance to the book
Shrike99
I'm a New Zealander and it's basically required curriculum here
everydaydemon
Taught often in the UK for too just for awareness sake.
alcopop
yep, was my main text for GCSE English Literature, really enjoyed it actually!
koalascanevolvetoo
Mum read it growing up in Australia and then I had to read it growing up in Ireland
Propagandhiii
I'm from Asia, read and watched it.
TankDrop
We used it in middle school here in Australia.
justanotherconscience
Translated into 40 languages I guess https://www.harpercollins.com/books/9780060935467/To_Kill_a_Mockingbird/index.aspx
Lumerie
It was a mandatory read in high-school here in Iceland.
GodEmperorOfImgur
Really? We never had it here in Denmark.
Megapyton66
not in sweden either
Greypuppy
Shit man, I'm in Michigan and it was never mentioned in high school.
KomodoKill
I read it when I was 15. Saw the film at 18. I'm 36 and Spanish
TooManyTabsOpen
Read and watched the movie in high school in Germany.
MauriceTheButcher
Very commonly studied at Junior Cert in Ireland
takhat
Ireland: studied it in high school equivalent
ignimbrite
Read it in year 10 English in Australia
MysteryCryptid
I did too. Boring book boring movie. In my opinion. I struggled to get through it unfortunately.
MeganMeow
I loved it. Catcher in the Rye however... utter trash
MysteryCryptid
Never read it. Probably won't try now.
DependingOnTheStreet
Same for us in Nu Zulland
MerToo
Yur tho Shakespur wuz more ossumer, bra.
Nalianna
IN Yr10 English (also in Aus), i Studied Diary of Anne Frank, and then "The Chosen" (Chaim Potok) ... My year 10 was in 1991
Nalianna
Oh, also, (same year)... "The Crucible" (Arthur Miller)
TheWeekendMemester
Same, in year 12 now and we will be reading the crucible later this year.
VerifiedAustralian
Me too! :O
MeganMeow
Read it for enjoyment in Australia...
DarkMaster98
Grade 11 here in Canada
PostmodernSemanticQuagmire
Same. Most of the people I know my age read it too at their schools.
oldsweatpants
That and Shakespeare in year 10
TankDrop
Did you watch the Bazz version?
oldsweatpants
The general class did and the advanced class watched the old 70s one. We were jealous of the other class haha
PrimalEnlightenedNoblemenInSociety
We all did D':
leroy666
It may be true that TKaM is actually more popular abroad than at home. If so, that's probably unique for an American Novel.
noxnixangel
Aussie here, at least three quarters read it in school if not more in English
Cioki4201
We actually had to read it here in Ireland.
iSoulend
yeah never heard of it before using imgur
njullpointer
read it in English class. In England. Where English comes from.
flikrdoodles
I think you were downvoted because people weren't sure where English came from.
njullpointer
It's okay, I'm glad to know the world is a little less ignorant day by day <3
bitchinmona
Interestingly, it *wasn't* required reading for me in the US but I was a teenage booknerd, so…
IwishIwasanAlien
I am italian and we had to read it for literature (in italian of course)
Stratego89
Uh... yes it is. It REALLY is.
theChesCat
Yeah. And it's a shame. I'm French and I'm sad we don't study more international (and thus american) litterature.
theChesCat
I would have loved to study Faulkner, London or Hemingway.
CairoLen
Good news! You still can!
27yoUGLYvirgin
Lol, France is probably the most anti English/American country there is, no country hates the English language more.
samsonguy920
I think from the comments, it is actually the other way around.
Doonesman
I've been to schools on four continents and seen this book in school libraries, so...
GodEmperorOfImgur
Sure, seen it in school "libraries" but at least where I am from we've never 'used' it, in school.
leroy666
TKaM is one of the few American "classics" that has a universal appeal. Many American authors are overrated, but not all (Steinbeck, etc.)
Wonkyth
Perhaps "overrated" is a bit strong, but most are definitely far less universally valuable.
JKrlvgn
Take it seriously, but actually investigate before you charge ahead. Rape is bad, but so are false claims.
[deleted]
[deleted]
Dondarian
I think they should have the same punishment as is sentenced on the accused. Otherwise, the lesson is never learned.
Zoroasterisk
"Trust, but verify"
PullShporttel
Came here for this
JKrlvgn
Also, +1 for awareness.
lenomdeplume
Happened recently her in P'burgh. Cops arrested the 16y/o after doing zero investigation. Defense atny found many witnesses to refute claim.
lenomdeplume
Accused released from jail (months) but his rep is ruined. Girl was charged for her false police report.
eetsumkaus
that's what the law does. Our problem is the court of public opinion
BlindyBlindMansSonnySon
Literally in the paper today, a man was accused of sexually assaulting a 19 year old shop worker. he was hounded by some thugs and her 1/2
BlindyBlindMansSonnySon
father people were calling him a paedophile and he had all the windows in his house smashed and people were spitting at him in the street2/3
BlindyBlindMansSonnySon
he ended up killing himself. police finally got hold of cctv from shop and all he actually did was put his hand on her shoulder to get 3/f
BlindyBlindMansSonnySon
her attention 4/4
raidleadergutts
And let me guess, she faces no punishment at all?
AcquiredSire
Keep in mind you'd have to prove the claim to be false. Just like you'd need to prove any person guilty.
raidleadergutts
It's insane how so many people lack the mental capacity to comprehend this extremely simple concept.
batmansrevenge
Two 17 year olds at our local HS took Xanax and had sex. She regretted it and cried foul. Courts just found him guilty.
Psychopicture
Problem is they're so difficult to prove that many raposts get away with it. This is another way of suppressing the problem.
HousePest
People going to jail and losing their free lives under false accusations is an equally significant problem. There's a reason innocent until
HousePest
proven guilty is a phrase with significance, and don't ever suggest that the severity of an accusation somehow lessens the importance of
HousePest
evidence.
ShenanigainAndAgain
False claims ruin lives.
generousmon
Spoken like a true wizard - Harry
JohnLawlor
You know what else is bad: murder. And you know how much proof you need to have to convict someone of murder?
JKrlvgn
or how much it takes to prove that you're innocent when you've been wrongfully imprisoned because no one investigated the claims? Even more.
fissnoc
Thanks, common sense. You make the world a better place.
JKrlvgn
If only more people had it, it would.
Sweiner
When conducting the balance test of public opinion on rape, more weight should be given to the stated victim than the accuser
JKrlvgn
it still pays to investigate the issue before just blindly accepting one side.
Interestingcuriosity
Well said :-)
triedtothinkofausernamethatwasntalreadytaken
False claims are becoming worryingly frequent.
SindarElla
False claims should carry the same sentence as rape, since that's what the accusers would be subjecting the accused to
TheSunless
No, they shouldn't. Purgery and Rape are different crimes, and should carry different punishments.
RaichuLove
False claims made my uncle lose his kids. His exwife had his eldest daughter claim child molestation. He hasn't seen them for 30 years since
frizzlfry
False claims /reports sure, but mire likely the claim is tue but the suspect is wrong
JKrlvgn
This is why they should investigate beforehand.
RacistCoffee
As a rape investigator this really opened my eyes and i will try to do as you suggest in future investigations.
AcidOPhilus
I love how imgur is so sick of these posts that the top comment is simply the consensus we reached the last one hundred times.
raidleadergutts
Nah, it's because there are too many retards who can't comprehend that inability to prove rape happened doesn't mean the accuser is lying.
BobarinoTheBobcat
YOU'RE RAPING MY FEELINGS
PotatoFaminePart2
how about people just stop raping people, like wtf.
joeyjojosharknado
In other news, an Imgur user stopped all crime forever by saying "why don't criminals just not do crime".
PotatoFaminePart2
awesome now i just need to stop people being sarcastic wankers
StinyZ
Just as bad.
Thalarctos
Simple solution, never stick your dick in crazy. Waiting for marriage might also help, since you can't rape the willing.
JKrlvgn
Women can be raped by their spouse. I mean, I'd hope against it, but it still happens.
Thalarctos
Precisely why I used the word "might".
JKrlvgn
Yarp. Hence why I'm not saying you're wrong, just a comment before someone spouts hate speech because they disagree. :D
iGuessThisUserNameIsntTaken
Speaking of which, this has been reposted so many times I don't know that it was ever actually posted instead of photoshopped
norcalkingsfan
How has this statement received any downvotes. WTF people?
norcalkingsfan
?* damn punctuation
spict
Maybe because this is a circle jerk subject and some are fed up with it.
BewilderedBeaver
And there are a LOT of false claims. In Germany, depending on location, between 10 and 90 percent of all accusations end up being withdrawn
eetsumkaus
10 and 90 percent? that is literally 80% of the possibilities
BewilderedBeaver
It's a variation between federal states according to police statistics. It became so bad that for every rape accusation, the police ->
BewilderedBeaver
-> uses a psychologist who has nothing else to do but to look for signs of lieing in the statements of the accuser.
mmmhotlettuce
In the US, the FBI did a study that found more people are likely to fake their own death than fake being raped or sexually assaulted. 1/2
mmmhotlettuce
2/2 I am a prevention education specialist for a domestic violence and sexual assault services agency. I'll post the source tomorrow.
fencerman
Right, but the point is that the default assumption shouldn't be that victims are lying.
EvilEkips
Well there is the "innocent until proven guilty" rule that should be followed though.
TroelsyTwo
Yes, except you don't think innocent until proven guilty applies to the person who claim being raped? lol
fencerman
Nothing here is implying that should change.
DragRoute420
Rape is also difficult to prove + many victims are pressured by their family to withdraw, because most are raped by someone they know.
TacticusThrowaway
Most dishonest false accusations are also someone the "victim" knows. Unless the accuser just picks a random person.
tesseshaw
Agreed. The current court process discourages victims from pressing charges.
Hullaballoonatic
False claims are purgery. Purgery offenses should not consider the effect on the defendant. It is up to the court to discover truth.
AcidOPhilus
Unless you are talking about the part of a sugarhouse where molasses is drained from the sugar, I think you meant to say "perjury".
Hullaballoonatic
Thanks
AcidOPhilus
you're whalecum
Hullaballoonatic
I don't want to live in an eye for an eye society or in one where sex assault victims are afraid to prosecute in case they lose.
raidleadergutts
But you want to live in a world where women can easily ruin the lives of men by false accusations?
JKrlvgn
Of course not! But people who make false claims need to be held responsible too. It's a tricky area.
SpartaWolf117
especially those who make false claims that result in a wrongful conviction
JKrlvgn
...because how often do they investigate past the conviction? What if it was an honest mistake (mistaken identity, maybe?), even?
IndependentIdiot
False claims are worse than rape.. that's a kind of rape too
YeahThereitis
Moraly, yeah , in both cases you have to be worst scum to do it.
TormentedPenguin
I wouldn't say worse than.. but they are just AS bad.
bitchyQueen
In the Jim Crow southern states in the past ... Black men could be falsely accused of rape just by a White woman saying so. This is a FACT.
Candyman216
In the past people were burned at the stake for being a witch. Now we both made statements that don't continue to the conversation.
bitchyQueen
It does add to the conversation u imbecile. The post is about rape and not witches!! Case closed!
Candyman216
Was cuntyqueen taken? Your ignorant ass will make for an excellent ex wife
bitchyQueen
I am MARRIED for a long time. I got 3 grown kids and grandkids and my husband luvs and supports his bitchyQueen. Who do u got? Ur a douche!
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Worse than rape? About half of rape victims get PTSD. Many of them have that and other life-long consequences. Not to mention living /1
illbeyourfuckleberry
Spending time in jail branded as a SO and going through the trial process knowing your innocent would be fairly traumatizing.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Are you talking about all false accusations then, or just the ones that result in conviction?
illbeyourfuckleberry
Are you saying false accusations don't reult in conviction sometimes? Does it matter? Going through that shit would suck either way.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
through the event itself. Does being accused of rape come with the same or similar physical and psychological effects? /2
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
https://psmag.com/the-lifelong-consequences-of-rape-7f6ba1db6bea
IndependentIdiot
I stand corrected. A rape is devastating. A false claim is bad too and produce adverse results.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
I agree with that.
ZashchishchayushchiysyaOsushchestvitelLzhesvidetelstva
50% probability of having PTSD is so much worse that going to prison (sarcasm, actually no)
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
False accusation victims have a greater than 50% chance of going to prison? I'd be very surprised, since there's no proof. Go ahead and /1
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
post your source though. /2
ZashchishchayushchiysyaOsushchestvitelLzhesvidetelstva
I never said that. I said that going to prison is worse than 50% chance of getting PTSD (you said half of rape victims get it)