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Source: https://twitter.com/sterlingcrispin/status/1949541268872446377
Also video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCQCP-5g5bo
We've been warned
KiyaSeraphia
I am extremely curious how well the re-converted png will stay stable across instances of the bird passing it's song onto other birds or other generations. A game of "telephone" if you will, to see how stable the bird-in-the-bird is after a dozen or so generations. This is fascinating stuff!
OllyWhite1
that bird design teaches me something about science today, i think i learned something ayyy - information technology (ICT)
Gindipple
That bird design is going to cause a lot of feedback
oozabooza
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coothlesscthulhu
Aphex Twin (Richard D. James) did some cool shit with spectrograms in their music. Windowlicker and Equation/Formula are good examples. Other artists have done similar, it's really cool.
itsthevoiceman
Watch the video, it's fascinating.
tiberiuswhythecrapcantweuseunderscoresxxvii
If birds can *store* information, can they also *process* information? Which ultimately is to ask: how long until someone runs DOOM on a flock of starlings?
Viscouse
I like where your head's at.
threelittledwarfs
Interesting idea, but I'm afraid that will never happeen. On murmuration of starlings on the other hand..
DiscountMentat
How cool would it be if everyone had these birds that we'd use to send messages--oh, I've made myself sad.
PushPullMagnet
https://www.youtube.com/@BennJordan Underrated channel
coughingintensifies
So glad I happened to find that guy’s channel. The Flashbulb is one of my favorite artists ♡, never knew he was on Yt making awesome stuff there as well!
Rhinta
Heck yea! I didn't know that either. Sountrack to a Vacant Life is one of my favorite albums.
ItsaSmeggingGarbagePod
My racing pigeons carry a little RF transmitter on their leg that triggers the antenna in the pad at the door in my loft and it sends me a text message letting me know which one just landed home safely. I've no idea how they find their way home but i love em
Zahnradfee
We sometimes had racing pigeons from Poland land in our community garden. They remained there for several days up to several weeks and then vanished. One of them could have become prey to the kestrels, I fear.
There has not been a pigeon stopping for several years now, though.
faphappyscreencappy
Coming soon: Johnny Orinthologic.
MarkySpaceMagnet
Wasn't that a plot point in hunger games?
Whatdoyousaytoanicecupoftea
🎶I am the eggman, I am the pigeon...coo coo achoo
n0gal
Finally... https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc1149
amp99
LNRO
parabolic000
Songs about my cats is a good album.
kirmokum
for those unfamiliar, the sauce: https://youtu.be/M9xMuPWAZW8?si=GrM1eQusFk-2xw8-
pudaheh
I thought a new shroud of Turin had just dropped.
amp99
*nods* This also might be of interest: /gallery/important-lXHP8sk
kirmokum
as far as i can find, the actual equation is nonsense. the method of synthesizing sound from an image was almost certainly done by metasynth.
AceJohnny
I don’t like fake funny conspiracy theories because eventually they get taken seriously by idiots who then cause real damage.
Put another way: if you play the fool, eventually you will find yourself surrounded by fools who think themselves in good company.
naught101
Benn Jordan on youtube if you want to see the video. He does amazing work.
iLoveItWhenMyFingersSmellLikePussy
Benn Jordan is amazing
cloverleafbane
Birds are steampunk fax machines.
bikemaje
But, birds aren't real. You can't fool me.
VladimirDoesntLoveYou
The great Benn Jordan
khaoselement
That video is such an incredibly interesting watch.
TheGoodKaren
Johnny Numnomic anyone?
sisuandserenity
Proof that birds aren't real
CrispyNougat
It's an analog copy, and therefore imperfect. Each time it's copied it will lose more and more detail.
dogwithahumanface
to birds, that's bird porn
stonecoldstevebuschemi
TheLookAndFeelMUSIC
So what's the spectrograph? Obviously more than just the time and amplitude of a sound wave.
Zahnradfee
A spectrograph shows "loudness" (or intensity or energy or something like that) over the frequency. Just like a light spectrum shows you the intensity over the frequency of electromagnetic waves.
Both show you which frequencies are contained in a sound or lightbeam.
mairusupawa
Time to upload my C64 tapes to birds
MostAwesomeDan
Some birds can mimic sounds.
We can convert data, including images into sound.
Some birds can mimic those sounds, because they're just sounds.
I guess I'm just not seeing why the Internet is freaking out about this, it doesn't change anything other than...what, using Kookaburras as cybercrime vulnerability delivery systems? Spam image delivery systems?
personwhoisaperson
It's freaking cool man, not everything needs to change anything. You can get a bird to reproduce a picture without even knowing it. That's cool as hell.
LonelyVoid
I'm pretty sure it's just because it's cool that someone got a bird to make a sound that looks like a bird
And because that seems like a very impressively accurate recreation of sound waves
Robohobo541
I mean, it's pretty cool tho.
DGeneration92
I hope those birds have a better memory than me lmao I'd get to my destination like "oh shit what was the message again uhhhh"
AvidApostate
That was the whole premise of the jabber jays in the Hunger Games.
Steed
Is anyone freaking out, or have some people just said 'hey, that's cool science'?
If people are freaking out, do they have any coherent reasoning as to why, or are they just trying to get some attention?
Xeiom
If you are not very technical then this can seem not very impressive but it is actually holds massive potential for IPoAC.
We haven't seen an improvement this substantial since rfc 6214
Bowlofjokes
Starling specifically can mimic sound very well.
ThisNameIsMaybeTaken
Imagine landing on another planet, seeing the ruins of a long dead civilization, you hear some alien birds, and on a whim, you put it into a spectrograph and see a distorted image of the alien bird, because the aliens taught that song to the birds, and then they taught it to each other for generations.
Isorikk
The repeated sound also lost a lot of clarity compared to the original image and you can't control data retrieval time so I'd say overall probably not gonna take off as a new storage format
Kiotetravels
Bobbobbobobbananafanafobob
How about the fact that we could teach a bird a waveform to induce specific vulnerabilities via microphones/security systems? Or teach birds to say alexa play despacito? Or transmit messages via birds when the billionaire Ai system big brothers all modern communication? Or we can now smuggle data in and out of countries without magnets/metal/chips?
Imagine being the first person to rick roll a North Korean by bird.
flamingflamingo
It IS kinda impressive how they can mimic the sound so perfectly it creates the same image with that software. Like it doesn't just sound perfect to our imperfect ears, but to finely tuned electronic instruments.
PostMoThoin
Aphex twin converter an image of his face to audio then hid it in a song
oldguyexlurker
It's amazing how much data you could transmit via avian carrier from the tropics to the northern latitudes if you could pack into a small, round, easily carried object (like if it had a fibrous cover that offered a convenient grip) for saaayyyy, a swallow.
TheresASnakeInMahBoot
African or European?
CBidness
European or African swallow?
MostAwesomeDan
this guy is asking the right questions.
DracarysBlackfyre
Idk, would all be dependant on their average flight speed, which I'm sure would differ depending on if they're unladen, and if they're of the african or European genus
oldguyexlurker
I don't know that... (aaaarrgggghhhh)
Perkunas687
No, 'aaaaaaaaaaagh,' back of the throat, 'aaaaaaaaaaaagh.'
oldguyexlurker
Thank you. My "Wizard" is a little rusty in pronunciation. 'Millenia since I last used it.
HoldThatTHOT
It means a huge amount actually, data converted to sound, given to bird, wireless messenger, wireless data. The bird makes the noise, you record the noise and convert it back into an image. Natural data transfer, this is in fact a big deal
Snooj
It's like Johnny Mnemonic but birds.
slinkydust
I'm sure the data would easily get corrupted over time
Danack
Except the the calculated figure said is bollocks. That blurry picture is not hundreds of kilobytes. It was reproduced approximately, and the original and reproduction share probably about a kilobyte or two of data. Source, I have compressed quite a few images in my time.
Steed
So, there are these really cool things called radio waves, and you can use them to transmit data. Even cooler, there's a whole spectrum of frequencies you can use, and the high frequency ones have incredible bandwidth.
Instead of teaching a bird a specific song, you can just transmit your own 'song' and decode the data! It's kind niche, I think we've only been doing it for a couple of hundred years.
You can also tie a message to a bird, and have it deliver said message losslessly.
FlipTheBirdBeforeTheBirdFlipsYou
Back in the 80s they broadcast computer programs over the air as part of a radio programme on how to use computers in the UK. You could record the broadcast onto tape and then load it onto your computer. Very cool.
Steed
Sorry for double reply, but rereading your message is very funny.
We also have speech, which is natural data transfer.
You can tell someone something on one city, they travel, and deliver it naturally. This has been going on for some thousands of years.
Qpnao
It's often lossy and vulnerable to corruption ;)
WorkerLurker
We have a whole bunch of people participating in recreation of a famous one. The marathon is based off the battle of marathon and its messenger Pheidippides dying upon delivering the message of victory in Athens.
Septcanmat
IP over Avian Carriers has been a thing for over thirty years. https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc1149
myrachel7
i saw rfc1149 on a license plate once
Eldibs
Bandwidth has improved significantly since then, with the advent of high-capacity MicroSD cards, though the ping is still atrocious.
itsokimaussie
Still better than Telstra...
TheDrunkenWrench
There's a difference between a bird carrying a message and a bird being taught a message.
iRegretThisUsernameAlready
The whole Discussion paragraph sent me
Ryebread91
"storms can cause date loss" https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1bWhwaHM2dmpmYmg5MjJ4end5OWhzcG5qYm84ZmtiaHNiaGk5NTYwbCZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/jQmVFypWInKCc/200w.webp