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May 27, 2026 6:07 PM
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alienstomper
That's what happens when your state gives corporations actual personhood
InUseSpace
"Some judge in Delaware needs to be tarred and feathered, said most citizens of the united states in a novel ruling in the court of public opinion. Some commentators noted that it was not novel, but rather a 300 year old solution to a 300 year old problem of judicial corruption."
taez555
How is ICE going to stop them if they're dark skinned?
HeHeHebieJeebies
we need to start going after corps like they go after the mob. if corps are people then every one of the shot callers can sit their ass in jail for breaking laws. no more of this "the fine is the cost of business" bullshit.
bourbonandbaddecisions
Until corporations can go to jail or be executed for their crimes they are not people.
WaxDragon
What the fuck
MediocreExtremist
Artificial Entities.. so that paves the way that AI agents will get the right to vote. And you can create as many companies as you can afford to increase the number of votes you can cast.
Dyamonde
'With property'. Unless you buy a parcel of land for each of your shadow corp, that ain't working.
TheMentallyillist
Buy once and then subdivide as many times as needed.
sgnight13
Arson is fun and cool
00110001001110010011100000110100
Next you have to transfer your vote to the Corporation that will pay you just enough not to drown.
RomanValkre
There is a dystopia type RPG table top game from the 90s with exactly this in it. Dark Conspiracy was a fun game for super nerds like me.
Gorglax9
foxpotate
This is beyond unconstitutional.
GoodFellowSkeleton
Wow, they get to vote, AND not pay taxes?
ToSisPoS
But yet they don't need to pay taxes nor can they be compelled for Selective Service.
Casually
Of course it is Delaware, they have more corporations headquartered there than they have residents. Also this has been the case there since the 50's
Clockworkdancerobot
Reuters source, not some weird xhitter reporter. https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/delaware-court-upholds-voting-by-companies-small-towns-election-2026-05-26/
kraeftig
It seems important to note that according to the article it appears that the Judge seems to think it is a bad idea, but just not expressly forbidden by the current laws in the area.
usingYourMomAsAHat
Ah yes, like the ol' saying "Power to the Pe..dos?"
KAPTKipper
Sound like stepping back to having only the landowners vote
DrewThe3DPrinterGuy
AlamoJoe1952
We aren’t going to fix any of this shit unless we start lopping off some heads
Vero2020
Seems like anyone casting a corporation's vote could be indicted for voter fraud, as the corporation has to be serviced by people. That person could be voting twice, instead of expressing the actual choice of the corp.
3nd3rwiggin
So how exactly does a corporation show a photo ID?
fformulaa
Ionico
300,000+ businesses call this building HQ.
oblimo
You can sue them all with a single process server. Such convenience!
philmoregraves
The issue is always gonna be (and has always been) "we can afford to fight you till you cant afford to fight us anymore, so you likely drop the case bc ur already in debt fighting us*. I know this bc growing up i experienced it, and then the company she tried to sue tried to counter sue to get her to drop. Which if she didnt drop she couldn't couldnt feed us. Then the person who told us to sue, sued us(an already poor family). No love lost when he accidently burnt his 3rd home down
mikeatike
So they could all be destroyed by burning down one building?
Chilichunks
To be fair, I have an LLC which requires someone called a registered agent whom I can have handle all my business affairs and use their address as the address for my business so I can keep my home address, where I technically conduct business, private. I mean, fuck corporations, I'm just saying this is really explainable in some circumstances.
Gorglax9
Then you’re part of the fuckin’ problem
Chilichunks
No I'm not lol I cannot legally conduct business from my home. I am a sole employee and I make under $100k a year. A registered agent is required by law. A business address is required by law. My home address cannot be a business address. I am allowed to do business from my home only if I have a registered agent's business address in lieu of my own.
Gorglax9
A lot of words to say you’re a cunt
Chilichunks
A few words to say you can't read and you're being a cunt because you don't understand shit and want someone to be a cunt to.
Chilichunks
For everyone downvoting, exercise reading comprehension. I am explaining to you HOW this can happen. YOU are making assumptions about me. I make less than $100k. I do not have employees. I cannot list my home address as my business address. Everything I am doing is REQUIRED BY LAW. I cannot do my job as an IT contractor without this. Go fuck yourselves if you, like OP, somehow magically think I'm part of the problem. I don't get even close to tech bro fuck you money, but fuck you anyway.
Chilichunks
For more perspective for those of you so ancap happy you love the idea of shitting on me for an LLC, people selling candles on Etsy have LLCs. Solo plumbers have LLCs, freelance artists have LLCs. And guess what, they all have registered agents and use that address instead of their own. Get some fucking perspective and use critical thinking first instead of bullshit knee jerk reactions, Christ on a cracker.
INeedMoreGifMeMoreJustOneMore
Do you think you should be able to vote both as YOU, the person, and as YOU, the company? That's all that matters in regards to this news article.
Chilichunks
Someone was pointing out that thousands of businesses were registered at one address. I explained how that could be a normal, not fraudulent thing as those could potentially be single employee LLCs like me registering under an agent using that address. I didn't say it was for sure, I didn't say corporations are awesome or whatever. Just posting a scenario in which it was possible and not fraud. Voting wasn't brought up.
INeedMoreGifMeMoreJustOneMore
Voting is the main part of the post, the "building with 300.000 companies" that commenter brought up is the Corporation Trust Center in Wilmington, Delaware. If this judge rules all companies can vote, just this building would potentially add 40% to the total voter roll of Delaware.
You saying "but it's a normal part of doing business to register somewhere" may be absolutely legal, but then the question becomes, as I asked you: should this allow you to vote as yourself AND your company?
Chilichunks
Me saying, "but it's a normal part of doing business to register somewhere" is literally just a explanation as to how that many companies can share one address because someone, also not mentioning voting, pointed it out. There's no more to it than that. That is the start and finish. There are no more details. You and everyone else need to stop reading into it. I was not expressing an opinion. I was explaining how this scenario, of 300k businesses sharing one address, might happen. That's it.
Deekermanns
Why do you think you should have no liability for the decisions you make as a business owner? I mean legally, yes you are correct that is how things are set up. But what makes you think that is the way it SHOULD be?
Chilichunks
Point on the doll where I said I have no liability. Show me where I said any of the words you're accusing me of saying. This is for me people like me, a sole independent contractor making under $100k a year, so that we can legally operate from our homes because we can't afford or don't need a dedicated office away from our place of residence.
filiuspelei
So reading the article, there is one town in Delaware that decided (for some reason) to allow incorporated entities with property in that town to vote in the town's elections. The court ruled that this did not violate the state constitution.
kraeftig
The reuters article has some additional phrasing that might be useful context or important.
NotSoFastener
"One person/entity/one vote" is so disingenuous. An entity has a natural person controlling it at the end, so this is just a way to violate "one person one vote" of you have money. By this reasoning, someone could set up a chain of multiple shell companies and have as many votes as the amount of companies they could afford to sustain.
kraeftig
Maybe, but we don't have the full text of the rules. Does it allow an owner of an entity to also vote in the same election? The article really doesn't say either way. For an entity to cast a vote a person has to send in that vote - does the act of casting the vote on behalf of the entity prohibit you from also personally voting? They're also talking a lot about non-residents voting through entities owning property at the location. It's all of less consequence too since its city-level votes only.
kraeftig
Just in general there's a handful of really important distinctions and definitions that the article definitely does not explain that can greatly alter the context of the situation. It's not just as simple as "corporations get to vote like people", and the judges comment suggests he disagrees with this being morally fine, even if it is legal from a technically written perspective.
KAPTKipper
Change the state constitution
ButtscratchMcPherson
Might be easier to just burn down that town.
QuartzPoker
It's not just that town. Several towns in Delaware allow any and all property owners within their jurisdiction to vote in local elections, even if it's a corporation. It's one of the ways they try to entice corporations to settle there
ButtscratchMcPherson
Then burn down those towns as well. Geeze, Quartz, do I have to think of EVERYTHING around here?
QuartzPoker
What do Geese have to do with it? D:
KAPTKipper
Good to have a plan B
Zetor
Quick, What is the cheapest type of corporate entity i can register?
JackieTreehornProductions
LLC - $110
eronth
Don't just do one. Create several corporate entities each with just a small part of land.
gumol
“with property”
you need to also buy a place there
eronth
It's weird though, they seem to call it on a per-city thing. So like, if you own a small bit of land in each city, you get to vote in each city? And can you just spin up like 50 corps in each city?
filiuspelei
Well, as far as I can read behind the advert in the pay wall that appears when I click on the article, its just one town. But yeah...
Zetor
Why do they hate capitalism? https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1N3k1cDRiNmxqZDJzcmMyb2hhZmVlc3p3dHdzcWgyZjZ2bWN0em1hdCZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/30xtloCL4Lr0I/200w.webp
filiuspelei
Probably a Delaware Statutory Trust... a fact that I am surprised I know
ThomasThundersword
about $150 right?
ThingsThatDontJustifyGenocide
You also need to buy property
throwaway12345432
Could I divide one property among multiple trusts?
marsilies
How much property does the company need to own to be able to vote?
DinosaursCameFromSpace
But they still have to walk to the voting station and show proof that they’re a citizen?
MoreOfABrewerReally
Only if the corporation doesn't pass the skin color test.
mafiacarstarter
That's only for the poors.
ifeellikesheet
But they are worried about immigrants voting? What?
Eyeetsass
At this crucial moment in history I am more angry with judges than politicians. Nothing means anything anymore. No consequence. No rule of law. Can’t continue to contribute to this much longer.
ShinksAvoHazaar
Isnt Delaware the state a ton of corps make their headquarters because of some tax loophole bs?
HouseOfEvil
That is exactly why Fight Club took place there, and why it ended the way it did.
NeverEnoughFoxes
Yep. Many credit card companies have headquarters technically in Delaware.
Eleshar24
I think it is because of the "corporate veil".
BHPaperstacks
Great, ao all of the board members can only get one single vote as their corporation and then as they vote as individual citizen its voter fraud that Republicans say needs to be more strictly enforced and they face the maximum prison time as punishment.
Gorglax9
More corps than people in Delaware
HandoB4Javert
https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1OHBpcjV3dnloemRmMDBkZ3BvZ3lkam04MG9uMXZlNjl3ejRtcmpmaiZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/4ls9MvzG21kem11N1N/200w.mp4
gumshoe99
Ireland is in a similar position as well.
EmailFail
That's part of it. Went to law school there and they always harped on something else. They have a very good judiciary who is well versed in corporate law. What this means in practice is that corporations can rely on consistency with judicial holdings. Think shareholder actions, hostile takeovers, etc. Very dry stuff
HandoB4Javert
IWasGoingToMakeEspresso
Companies often choose to file lawsuits in Delaware.
WaxedApple
Delaware is a corporate hellhole and has produced some of the most fucked up politicians who cater to corporate interests in America
Immaletchufinishbutno
Like Biden, lol. He sure did.
KuldFyt
Not just taxes! They also have weak corporate regulations and a separate business court without any pesky juries! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delaware_Court_of_Chancery
thedudeman519
Court of Chicanery, more like.
marsilies
And even with all that, Musk still lost his case regarding his blatantly corrupt Tesla bonus package, and packed up his ball (company) and moved it to Texas. Don't worry though, the Delaware Supreme Court bowed to Musk and reversed the decision: https://www.akingump.com/en/insights/alerts/delaware-supreme-court-reverses-the-remedy-applied-by-the-court-of-chancery-in-in-re-tesla-inc-derivative-litigation
Khanamana324
Because of course they did.
CallMeMcGyver
Take this judge and throw him in jail for the rest of his life, assigned to the hardest labor imaginable, confiscate all his assets and distribute them to charities, leave no stone unturned seeking out ever last cent, bitcoin or piece of property he owns. This is the only acceptable start to curbing this bullshit. Because the longer this keeps up, when it breaks, and it will... they'll beg for that aforementioned punishment as opposed to what they end up getting. That's just how history works.
Gorglax9
kraeftig
For what it may or may not be worth it seems he actually agreed it's a bad idea, but the ruling was limited to just "Does the town's charter that allows this violate the state's constitution?"
and according to precedence in the state and apparently the letter of the law it does seem to be technically true. Even if it's "frightening" - as he put it.
GoddessPurpleFrost
Not rly. Some countries slide so deep into fascism that they don't come out for generations. So, we have that possibility to look forward too!
hotaru251
i'd contest in this in court. A corpo is not a person. A citizen gets 1 vote. Allowing corpos to vote is effectively paywalling elections as you can make a business if you have the $.
hotaru251
and for those who arent american constitution makes paywalling election ilelgal (and constitution overrides any gov or state laws about it)
TheSecondPiewackit
"Let the person come directly testify on it's behalf. Not through proxies, or representatives, but directly."
AtmaDarkwolf
and each and every day, we find something else in the news that is a clear sign we are moving further and further into the dystopian nightmare we see in all the games and movies we love, except with NONE of the 'benefits' Is like a future of the terminator series but without any salvation, or the cyberpunk series without the cyberware or customer bonuses. Can we quit with this bullshit timeline please?