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buttcreambandit
Yo in all reality this isn’t a good thing. Donald deserved a ban for obvious reasons but what did Ron do? It’s their right but damn man
realscrumpysteve
On one hand I agree. Facebook should have been warning pages. But that would require their mod team to do it's job. On the other hand theyre
realscrumpysteve
A private entity and can ban and lock out who ever they want without warning as outlined in their ToS and EULA
l33t1c4r1u5
Libertarians still want companies to follow their own rules
Anonymous0199846
To be fair; he simply voiced a thing happened and it was done poorly. He did not suggest govment change it. THIS isn't directly hypocritical
JinxRocks
Ponder this: He is offended by not being given evidence of the claim being made that resulted in the actions against him.
JinxRocks
Not saying they were wrong by any means. Just.. turntables.
sadurdaynight
Now they can now how feels to be fired in a "right to work" state.
gurlsnuggler
There’s an actual “LEARN MORE” button in the image he attached.
Sh4rKSe7eN
You wanted to repeal Section 230 to make Facebook responsible for your speech, & now you’re bitching about getting removed for your speech?
Mou5e
"Not my speech, just liberal speech." - Ron Paul
Seminole4ever
Shit, I’m not alone! Got hammered by a 24-hour suspension for a post about the penalties for impeachment conviction. Someone ratted me out.
Macross2020
Crap, that was aimed at Ru Paul. Sorry, Ron!
Wastyvez
Shashay away!
Anonymous0199846
water off a ducks back
tway44700
I must be failing to see where he's demanding government oversight.
RumblePonies247
He’s just pointing out that he doesn’t believe he violited their terms of service. He doesn’t take issue with the existence of those terms
RumblePonies247
Believe it or not you can both acknowledge that someone has the right to make a decision and also argue that it is the wrong one
cannibalthemusical
Imgur hates libertarians because most only think of the philosophy in extremes.
gerf
Yes, most Imgurians mods do think in only extremes
Jagerbeast
Whatd he say to make this happen?
FredGarvinMaleProstitute
lindabelchersfirstcousin
“The senator from Kentucky is now working for Vladmir Putin” - John McCain
bigger66
Ron Paul has never been a senator in Kentucky
Vortex153
“Yippee-Ki-Yay, motherfucker!” -John McClane
SirPhobosKnightofMarsBeaterofAss
"Stoke me a clipper, I'll be back for Christmas" -Rimmer
drenix
Mr. Falcon*
cbale2000
Wrong person. Ron Paul is a retired US representative. Rand Paul is a Senator. Also, read up on WHY he objected to McCains bill.
HighLordRegentofChaos
Could I get a TL;DR version; my brain tends to zone out when reading political policy.
cbale2000
McCain was pushing a bill to support adding Montenegro to NATO. Since NATO is a military alliance where members come to each other's aid...
cbale2000
... in times of war, adding them to the alliance would do virtually nothing to strengthen the alliance, and served only as a mechanism to...
cbale2000
... pull the US into more foreign wars, for which it gains no benefit. Rand is a staunch opponent of foreign interventionism and voted no.
TheAlviss
Is that libertarian policy? I honestly thought that meant no rules or restrictions of expression.
pr3viso
A true libertarian will abolish public schools and the fire department.
badapple19
Free market, right Ronald? ?
killbillsexwife
Suck it up buttercup
ChainmailleAddict
I think he defends their right to exclude him from their service while wondering why they did it - I think that's logically-consistent.
gerf
Ron's crazy, but consistent. Like Bernie, but on the opposite side.
creamyt
Yeah, there's nothing in this post, at least, suggesting they shouldn't be able to do it. Just that it sucks that they did.
HaloArchitect
Isn't Dr. No a libertarian? I thought he was in favor of corporatation?
MrChewbacaHimself
No regulations Ron. Let the invisible hand guide the markets. If that same invisible hand bitch slaps you, that's your fault
Lurkinglikeachamp
OliverClothesoff70
I'm OK with any platform wanting to keep extremist people who post terroristic threats and violence off their servers. That's reasonable. /1
Grenateh
Problem is social media is bullshit trash and has nothing to do with offering a place for discussion.
OliverClothesoff70
Well, that's just totally absurd. Imgur is social media. I have tens of thousands of comments on here with most of them being discussions.
OliverClothesoff70
But this is crossing a line. It looks like we really are starting to see them stamp out ANY expression or thought that doesn't lean hard /2
OliverClothesoff70
enough left. That isn't something to be cheered on. As Americans it is HEALTHY to be able to engage in debate of different ideas on /3
OliverClothesoff70
these platforms. Otherwise Facebook will just become a hard left version of Parler. That's stupidly divisive. Blocking a retired /4
OliverClothesoff70
politician who has threatened nobody and done nothing more than say things Facebook's internal people don't agree with is not OK. /5
EnlightenmentSatori
What do you suppose his violations were about?
cbale2000
Apparently it was a "mistake" according to FB.
Moolicious
I didn't think the leopards would eat MY face!
Conan4Life
Two first name rule.
Taxonomyanomaly
I thought Ron Paul was chill and it’s just his idiot son who is a total prick?
JoshJitsu
Other way around. Rand Paul is chill, Fairtax dude. His idiot son is a loony.
TheJDizzle
Ron is the dad
JoshJitsu
Well, shit, you're right. Been too long since they were in the public eye and I've gone and flipped them in my head.
EchoPMIM
I thought it was just that Ron Paul is more sincere in his crazy libertarianism while his son is more on the self-serving douchebag side.
Vockstar
LordJebusVII
I respect Ron Paul, I don't agree with him on much but he has integrity and sincerity. He doesn't vote based on his own interests
Lanhdanan
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cantcornerthewarner
Just because Ron Paul was a meme 4 years ago doesn't make him chill
Wastyvez
8 years ago. He ran in 2012, and was pretty successful with center-right millennials which is why he became a meme.
Grenateh
You're correct.
Anonymous0199846
Well... they are well read; and sometimes this makes them seem smart... but every few months they tip their hands.
HorriblyPositive
Fuck no.
bigger66
Both of them have exercised a great deal of integrity. Just because they don't share your political opinions don't make them villains.
RandomQuack
Their integrity is inconsistent is the overriding point.
ethicalinfant
integrity is in short supply these days
enheru
Libertarians are a joke. Not a very good joke, but a joke nonetheless.
thecoldmage
We just want individuals to be left alone. I guess for some people that is a very controversial position.
ianmalkaviac
Don't worry, it's a funny joke, you just have to make yourself laugh.
flufflogic
"The market can apply pressure to control government action!" "Why is the market applying pressure to me? Unfair!"
KillerTofu615
If you think Ron Paul is a libertarian I think you're a joke.
LambeauField
He ran as one before and his official party is the Libertarian Party. Are you stupid?
AhhWhyDoesItHurt
It's sentiment like this, that is allowing the 2 party system to ruin our country. Libertarianism is very idealistic, but so is democracy
AhhWhyDoesItHurt
We have all see how democracy can fail. Libertarians want smaller government, not no government. And like all parties there are extremists
CrypticalEnvelopement
Or in the case of Ron Swanson, actually a good joke
Ninjainslippers
If you go back 120 years or so, libertarians actually made some good points, just like Marxists. Now they're just morons though.
baldm0mma
To be fair, none of these people are actually libertarians.
trekkie
InnsmouthTourist
If you want a great laugh, read The Probability Broach. A libertarian haven where dolphins could talk all along, but didn't like our beliefs
kaiserkevin
Most libertarians I know will accept science as fact and are accepting of minorities. Its a low bar but they're better to work w/than R.
SherMattLockSmith
Libertarians, to me, are simple neo-anarchists, they want literal anarchy but are too afraid to call it that.
JhericFury
If they wanted actual anarchy, how would all their money let them Lord over people? They just don't want democratic laws.
stankginchfurbuger
Actual anarchists believe in community though, and libertarians are *terrified* about caring for anyone beyond themselves
OminousLittleRaven
It's a political philosophy and movement that upholds liberty as a core principle.
SherMattLockSmith
That when it's philosophy is enacted would be literal anarchy. Literal. Fucking. Anarchy. Taxation is theft? How the fuck to run a (1)
OminousLittleRaven
lol I listed a fact, you've flown off your rocker. The other stuff is idiots identifying with libertarians wrong. I'm progressive,Bull moose
SherMattLockSmith
(2) Government without taxation? They claim the free market will solve everything, but complain about everything the free market produces.
SherMattLockSmith
(3) They make their living using everything they say is wrong with the government, they are fucking moronic neo-anarchists.
OminousLittleRaven
Settle down if you don't want to approach things as a student
Armored0Titan0
Anyone who believes libertarianism is a legitimate political ideology is functionally illiterate.
Ninjainslippers
Libertarianism has roots in decent philosophy, but over the past 100 years or so it's become laughably stupid.
OminousLittleRaven
It's a political philosophy and movement that upholds liberty as a core principle.
Armored0Titan0
It’s a derangement based in a misunderstanding of what it is to be in a society while being ignorant of deregulation’s affects historically.
OminousLittleRaven
? This again, you learned from a rebulican posing as a libertarian. It's simply just that human liberty be of core value. Nothing more.
Armored0Titan0
I’m familiar with the “unregulated capitalism fixes everything” party, yes.
OminousLittleRaven
Liberty is what helps a society lol you're insane.
Grenateh
Pretty sure as a published author and person who's smarter than you, I'm not illiterate. But what the fuck do I know.
Armored0Titan0
You would have to be ignorant of economics, psychology, and history in order to consider libertarianism legitimate.
thedevil
Don’t forget contortionist, you’d have to be to try that hard to suck your own dick.
OobedoobScoobyDoobyBenubi
can someone explain to me exactly what libertarianism is?
NotMyUsualOnlineName
Basically anarchy that benefits the rich. Think the "small government" Republicans taken to an extreme, but they tend to lean more liberal
NotMyUsualOnlineName
when it comes to social issues like gay marriage and weed legality.
ilovethisdog
Embarrassed Republicans
Dinos91
No one knows. Every libertarian says they aren't like other libertarians. It does seem to trend toward ignoring history though.
Grenateh
https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/key-concepts-libertarianism
StanielRonathan
nutshell: maximum individual and private autonomy with as little government as possible. The character Ron Swanson from Parks & Recs is one.
StanielRonathan
So is Oliver Queen, the Green Arrow, from DC comics. Functionally though libertarianism just hands all control to the wealthy as it thinks-
StanielRonathan
the free market will regulate society and government action; but the wealthy have the capital to control the said markets but they don't-
StanielRonathan
believe in government regulations to prevent such forces from colluding into trusts and all-consuming megacorps and conglomerates.
HootSloot
In US it's a term that was appropriated to describe a political movement/ideology that has large emphasis on very limited government and
HootSloot
Heavily favors individual and property rights.
OminousLittleRaven
a political philosophy and movement that upholds liberty as a core principle. Everyone else in this thread is an idiot.
HootSloot
That doesn't explain anything.
OminousLittleRaven
Rebulican idiots identifying as one hurts the party a lot. I'm seeing that in this post greatly.
OminousLittleRaven
Liberty is to be able to do as one please so long as it doesn't hurt others. That's the true libertarian stance. Nothing more
CuttleFishOfCthulu
A libertarian is just a Republican that smokes weed and has a gay friend.
coffeeismyfriend
Why did the Libertarian cross the road. Because they’re a joke
owensdad102542
Not all of us libertarians want the dissolution of Gov't. Some just want the freedom of weed and guns and prison reform.
Bukkhockey
Any stop pointless wars.
Grizy
You know i actually want the same thing, as a Democrat.
Mentok
Like saying you're a Christian except for the whole jesus part
ZackWester
... isn´t there a Christian religion that does not have Jesus.. or was that Jehova?
Mentok
If you don't believe in Jesus, you might be a Jew or Muslim. But isn't believin in Christ kinda important for Christians? It's in the name.
LoremAmetIpumSitDolor
Ummm... then by most libertarians' definition you are not a libertarian. You just have your own specific set of political stances.
OminousLittleRaven
It's a political philosophy and movement that upholds liberty as a core principle.
LoremAmetIpumSitDolor
In a philosophical sense, maybe. But in practice, every Libertarian I've met is about no taxes and "free market" to solve everything.
Grenateh
Imagine being so fucking stupid you actually think Libertarians = Anarchy. Libertarian is an entire quadrant of the political spectrum.
LoremAmetIpumSitDolor
I assume you are aiming that at Libertarians. Every self-labeled libertarian I've met IRL precisely describes Anarchy.
KungofBees
Or just hates age of consent laws
stankginchfurbuger
Why did the libertarian go to prison? Pedophilia. "Um, technically, its hebophilla.."
lecruest
BBQatCirces
And aggressively failed history.
DHooligan3485
And dropped economics after four classes thinking they already knew everything
SrPootStank
You must not know about the wonders of trickle down economics. Aware yoself.
NotMyUsualOnlineName
And math, based on their tax policies.
putzd63304
Still waiting for one to explain the difference between Libertarianism and Anarchy...
JhericFury
Originally the definitions were pretty similar, these days libertarians believe the state shouldn't have any power over us, but /1
JhericFury
-that corporations should (think outer worlds), anarchists think leaders shouldn't exist, the state shouldn't have more power than people/2
JhericFury
-(or shouldn't exist) but neither should anything else, no corporations, no bosses, no kings, etc. How this should work is hotly debated./3
magicrhombus
Libertarian: No rules lol, and fuck poor people. Anarchy: No rules lol, somehow this helps poor people.
ClumsyLeftistWhoDropsThings
The other guy did it well, but here's another. It's that purge episode of Rick and Morty. Libertarianism is WE LONG FOR FEUDALISM
ClumsyLeftistWhoDropsThings
But most aren't rich enough to own people so it's more like "WE LONG FOR THE BOOT MILORD!"
lecruest
Please tread on me more
ClumsyLeftistWhoDropsThings
NO STEPPY WEPPY
MDAlchemist
As far actual definitions go, Libertarianism is a more general term, and can describe any ideology that pursues liberty as a core goal (1/?)
MDAlchemist
Whether it's anarchist or something more Hobbesian, As far as the American Libertarian party goes, I don't think a single one of them(2/3 )
MDAlchemist
intellectual capacity to understand that distinction. (3/3)
OminousLittleRaven
It's a political philosophy and movement that upholds liberty as a core principle.
enheru
That's what they say. In reality they support neo--feudalism.
OminousLittleRaven
I agree
JhericFury
Which one
OminousLittleRaven
That's just literally the main thing a libertarian wants, if you're doubting if someone is a libertarian just ask them their core values
JhericFury
I was more pointing out the question was "what's the difference between libertarianism and anarchy" and you just defined one thing
OminousLittleRaven
Then you'll know if you should listen to them at all.
fpol
"Anarchy, State and Utopia" by Nozick is a good place to start if you're serious about wanting to learn. Proposes a rough framework for
fpol
moving from anarchy to a libertarian state. I found it sloppy and unconvincing, but it's leagues ahead of Ayn Rand et al.
WKBetafiggit
Libertarianism is anarchy for rich people
flufflogic
Yup. Darn AnCaps.
putzd63304
That...okay, that's damn fine explanation, there. Updoot to you!
Lanhdanan
Aka conservative ideology.
Bukkhockey
Libertarians are ultra right fiscally and ultra left on social issues.
DHooligan3485
They're not ultra left on social issues because they generally oppose discrimination laws.
TonnerreCadien
They're a private entity. Who the fuck are you to tell them what to do, Ron? What's next? Traffic signals?
svga
I mean, traffic signals are totally in the public sector and state / city purview though
HoppulusMoMo
*blows up the post office*
SuperTacticalSandwich
Under the legal protections they have, they aren't supposed to pick sides or have political opinion. That's the issue.
hetriedtokillmewithaforklift
"What do you mean I can get kicked out of Starbucks by screaming and throwing my own filth around?!"
CashWiley
It's not like he asked them to bake a gay cake or anything.
thinkstopthink
Light houses!
drowninginthesouth
vahnn
He's not. He's saying he's never received prior warnings of violations, and is now banned for repeated violations.
ZackWester
sounds about normal for any of the larger sites, makes it next to imposible to follow TOS/EULA just creating a account is usally a violation
ZackWester
in and on itself, that then corp can use as ground for termination if the user gets annoying.
vahnn
Sure. But just pointing out that he's not DEMANDING ACTION like OP seems to think.
Grenateh
Clearly missing the point.
Lanhdanan
Pay .05 to use the sidewalk, or subscribe to the Mountain Dew daily taste the taste of freedom pass™
9o9ators
Considering the reality of socialism doesn’t change the cost benefit analysis, it just changes it from market-driven to politically-driven.
Beezlebubble
You've tried the best, now try the rest! - let's get some Outerworlds here cause that's literally libertarian space
iCurse
Gotta drink your Verification Can to continue playing your game
TheMysteriousBanana
LordNergal
Oh, please. It would be $20 to use the sidewalk and paid security to eject you into the street for not paying.
NotAnInternetBreaker
It is called job creation and you will like it.
amoeba15
And then if you don't pay for street use?
RadioSilenceDW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLfghLQE3F4
LordNergal
You get collected by the police and sent to work in lithium mines.
CalebGuenther
I mean he seems to just be asking for an explanation? Is that unreasonable?
xCloud576
He is asking that, but it's with a snide "they're discriminating against me for being a nazi" subtext
TheMysteriousBanana
Freedom is 1. Facebook being allowed to block 2. Him being allowed to complain and 3. Imgurians criticizing everyone. System seems to work.
Idownvotewhenyousayplus1
Well, it doesn't really seem to be working based on what we're seeing
TheMysteriousBanana
First I want to acknowledge what you have said as having merit and truth. My thoughts are that a calculator will still calculate even if
TheMysteriousBanana
The room is on fire (system working as designed). But again I think you are correct in your comment.
Miyamotofan
Considering his stances on similar issues, yes
Grenateh
Yea no you're wrong and you don't know what you're talking about. Rand Paul, yes. His dad? No.
Whatkindofapersondownvotes
Could you briefly explain his stance on similar situations?
Miyamotofan
Not in 140 characters and on my break at work.
CalebGuenther
I'm ignorant, educate me?
TheMysteriousBanana
Ron Paul is far, far right libertarian which means he believes businesses should be allowed to do whatever they want without gov regulation
TheMysteriousBanana
So it's a bit ironic that a business is doing exactly what it wants without gov regulation and the result is that he gets banned lol.
Miyamotofan
I'm pretty sure he's pro businesses doing whatever they want with no restrictions. Someone who believes they don't have to follow rules
bigger66
"I'm pretty sure" is a good indication you aren't actually educated on his viewpoints
CalebGuenther
I guess my interpretation wasn't so much that he was saying they didn't have the right to do it, as much as just being like what did I do?