Just a reminder that dealership associations have pressured congress into signing anti-competitive laws in every state making it virtually illegal for a consumer to buy their cars direct from manufacturer which on average would reduce the cost of cars purchase by 20% Cite: James Suroweiecki (New Yorker '06): https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2006/09/04/dealers-choice-2
I don't know, I was greeted at Honda by a guy with a beard who had crumbs in it. They didn't even offer to open up any of the vehicles in the lot. We went down the street and a few hours later had a brand new Kia K5 that just got off the truck and hasn't even been filled up for test drives.
2022 kia K5 EX. Kia has come a long way in the last 10 years. Once you get out of the economy kias, the quality of the interior is better than VW and the options like heated steering wheel, heated and cooled seats put it in volvo and Audi territory for $10-20k less.
I've been in a lot of cars while working at a body shop. Everyone drives altimas. Only BMW in the K5 price range is the 1 series. Infinity is a glorified nissan. Buick is an old person chevy. We chanted a car that can seat 4 adults and the K5 can get ne from DFW to Houston and back to DFW on 1 tank of gas at 40 meg's.
He initially was in there and swinging, but then backed off, put his hands up, and then got his shit rocked. He then proceeded to push forward during the remaining fight...he seemed like someone who really wanted to fight, but lacked some experience...
Ugh, sales jobs are the worst. Last sales job I had, a co-worker accused me of stealing his sale (which I didn’t). He was easily 50 lbs heavier than me and half a foot taller too. He came at me screaming in my face so I pushed him back on his ass to protect myself. I got fired on the spot and he got a promotion. Fuck sales.
yeah thats just not how real life works, hence him being fired. you being upset at someone yelling at you doesn't give you the option to assault them. you can call yelling assault but it's just not.
Actually the legality would lay in the mannerisms. If the aggressor was pushing into your space and making any level of contact (forehead to forehead is common) you are free to defend yourself. Also if you have no retreat behind you, then you are free to defend if they are behaving aggressively. Faux charges are the aggressor's trigger. It is called assault, and I suggest you read up on the difference between assault and battery.
you're just making shit up that even the person telling the story from their POV that is obviously biased didn't include to try to justify it. if someone is yelling at you and you hit them, you're the problem.
You're thinking Lexus, only like 300 dealers allowed in US at any given time, with decades long wait lists. Toyota DGAF. At the Toyota dealer across the street from my work, apparently the finance manager got naked and stared attacking other employees, they had to lock her in an office until police showed up. Happened last month.
My bet it was someone was working with a customer and that customer just walked in the next day and bought a car from another sales person instead and he was asking for his cut of the commission.
No. Although looking real close, the guy with the slightly lavender shirt was mixing it up in the distant shot, throwing punches, then abruptly backs off and tries to hold up hands and looks innocent before getting punched. I don't know what happened, but something about that guy vibes badly.
I used to work for a Chevy dealership... fucking worst job ever. The first two months my manager counted all my sales as his, getting the commission for them, because he was still "training and guiding me." Dude spent like all of 45 minutes a day (10 hour day) with me. I put my key on his desk and walked out.
Two weeks here, hired as “customer service” and told to lie to prospects to get them in the door so the methed-up Ford sales team could take turns fucking ‘em. I wouldn’t do it, so the owner threatened to sue me for embezzlement and I walked.
Car business is full of toxic jocks. Friend of mine is a mechatronics engineer. He's often pointed out how nasty that field is. Full of sexism, racism, homophobia and other reactionary garbage. Sure, there are exceptions amongst those people, but what do you expect when the product is the epitome of narcissism, compensation & environmental destruction?
That was a shitty manager. When I sold cars, the manager just helped with the customer when I got them in the door. I kept all commissions. But I can definitely understand a sales rep and manager getting into a fight. Some of those guys on both sides can be assholes.
Same thing happened to my fiance when she worked at a jeweller. The assistant manager got involved with nearly every customer she was helping. He either took credit or completely torpedoed any sale she was working on. The worst one was $3k custom ring she worked on for an elderly woman for a week or two....then the guy got involved by saying they couldn't do the ring they wanted, and they needed to pay more for something else. Customer left cause he was berating them to buy it.
Random salesman. My boss used to get mad when I’d ask other managers questions, because I couldn’t find him. He was at the bar next door most of the time, turns out. I was only there for two months, and I only ever met one person who was actually pretty decent. Except when he fucked the (married) finance manager to get revenge on his cheating girlfriend.
There’s a car dealership near where I live in a city type neighborhood (Culver City, CA), whenever I walk past it, I can see all the salesmen standing, waiting to pounce on anyone that walks up. They always look like the skeeviest of losers this planet has to offer. The cheesy clothing. The fake Rolexes. It’s tough to even watch. This video doesn’t surprise me.
Fun note; a lot of statutes on things technically start at the time you discover you were legally wronged, so check into the laws. Pretty sure that wouldn't even legally have been something permitted in a contract (no more than an employer putting it in a contract that they can take all tips).
Or…you know…write off the few hundred bucks and cut toxic people out of your life. Why would you engage in a long-term lawsuit and make yourself miserable…for money?
Few hundred bucks? I feel like you grossly underestimate how much reps make on sale commissions. Also something like that would generally be handled probably in small-claims depending on the total, which isn't all that long-term normally other than the wait for an actual court date.
Personally know a researcher. Her postdocs get first name on their research papers. She works very hard to help them get published, into competitions so that they get recognition, and good jobs later. Like most situations, not everybody in a group is bad,
And heaven forbid you have to continue a project somebody was half lying about. When you refuse to inflate/lie about results the PI says, well they did this why can't you? Cause I refuse to add 10% to all my yields amongst other things.
No contract, no work. US workers never finished their labour revolution, though, so now you get dipshits saying dumb shit like "you have to be joking", at the mention of contracts. Get back to it. Break kneecaps and burn shit until you get the rights you deserve, that is how workers in Europe got their rights. You have to scare the oligarchs.
I imagine that all relevant data has probably been expunged or they could do it now and make it seem plausible, because they're clearly pieces of shit and not beyond such fuckery.
That’s just how dealerships work. They have very fucked up laws that allow for that kind of shit. Some people go into debt being car salesmen. It’s like those insurance companies where you have to pay for your leads. It’s really fucked up.
Jesus. Don't Americans negotiate a fucking contract, even when they take a SALES job?! Because this sure as shit is not how dealerships work, it is another bizarre American thing.
There are lots of laws for dealerships that are real fucked up. Especially by state, county and even city. It gets real messed up. The auto industry is very powerful. Hell they made jaywalking a crime to take the blame off of vehicles.
or they try to trick college kids into handing over their contacts knowing they will never stick around. I smelled that scam and bailed in the interview
I applied for a car sales job as a young and dumb 19yo and yep, that is *exactly* what they wanted. All the people I knew, friends, relatives, old employers and coworkers, etc. 'you need to build your own customer base!' bro I'm selling a product most people don't buy more than twice a decade, if even that. I'm not about to harass people I liked enough to keep the number of to do that.
BigStacksThrowItOnThemBigFatTatties
Cobra Kai season 9 looking LIT AF.
momoee
Just a reminder that dealership associations have pressured congress into signing anti-competitive laws in every state making it virtually illegal for a consumer to buy their cars direct from manufacturer which on average would reduce the cost of cars purchase by 20% Cite: James Suroweiecki (New Yorker '06): https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2006/09/04/dealers-choice-2
bippityboppitybuttsex
I guess he won't be coming down on price
lucindamarie18
Nope, he wax going down to the floor....
LORDCHUPATRON
https://www.theautopian.com/this-video-of-a-massive-brawl-at-a-toyota-dealership-leaves-more-questions-than-answers/
Immune2Iocaine
Lots of Kyles high on coke and Monster energy drinks.
Atwthepig
Used to get our Prius serviced there. The salesman were always pushy.
MassiveMaoMao
5-minutes prior: “I’m gonna catch hell from my manager on this, but I’ll throw in the mudflaps for free.”
eyesoftheearth
“My girls got ‘em”
aChungusAmongUs
This is not very toyota-thon
SXSam
It's HAPPY HONDA DAYS! Die heathen!!!
ItsActuallyDavidNow
I’m guessing no one there is paid enough to get in the middle of that.
masstrip
I see a lot of rage here.
wadatahmydamie
And a fat bastard throwing a sucker punch
levelfivedetentionblockaa23
*Slaps face of car salesman* “you can fit so many fists in this baby!”
jamlovingmonster
Great minds think alike. I was going to say "slaps manager. This bad boy can fit so many grievances"
FailedCrate
Is that a BDSM joke?
OtterAvalanche
I didn't blow air out my nose. I legitimately chuckled. Excellent.
AxisRed
So many in? And I thought just one was a pretty big stretch.
isusersubthesameasunsuboncriminalminds
This is comedy gold - well done! *updoot*
fudgex
Someone commented before: “man, I had to FIGHT my boss to get you this GREAT DEAL”
Tomcruiser
SO good
sesamesnapsinhalf
Your sales guy fighting his manager to get you the great deal he promised.
Storm315
No matter what it looks like I always see the best possible scenario; so I believe this.
TheScutFarkus
They clearly need Don Ready. Live hard, sell hard.
offbeatwes87
What happened in Albuquerque? Forget about Querque!
TheobromineAddict
Hmm. I don't see anybody in this crowd that I'd want to buy a car from.
MrBananaPants
cubicleinmate
Sales jobs are a great reminder that you either wasted your youth with poor education or a great motivator to learn better skills and get better jobs.
cubicleinmate
I will add that yes, all jobs involve selling something, like yourself.
panaphobic1
UFC trying to get ad deals with Toyota now lol
redditmcredditface
Im just going to assume there was some wage theft going on.
eddbrowne
Reddit rumor is it started over selling at msrp when markup was standard.
redditmcredditface
not wage theft per se then, but the sales people still get screwed.
redditmcredditface
also I imagine with these current interest rates that there arent many sales being made so they probably are feeling some pressure.
Bojovnik84
Last time you slap the roof of my car, bitch.
ImDavidPumpkins
Toyotathon is lit AF
Darkstar318
Thanks for the laugh!!
PlasticFicus
There's a local Toyota dealership ad on this post, for me, at least 🤣
TooUglyToAltarBoy
"two people enter, one person leaves" ~ the sacrifice Toyota demanded
Iliekbirbs
Thats how I got my Rav 4
xj4low
Limited stock, high interest rates, guys living off of commission. These are adults. Time to get up and walk out.
DickTastrophy
The holiest of days
offbeatwes87
SpaceSpeed
tryingtofallasleep
Hondadays is a little classier
xj4low
I don't know, I was greeted at Honda by a guy with a beard who had crumbs in it. They didn't even offer to open up any of the vehicles in the lot. We went down the street and a few hours later had a brand new Kia K5 that just got off the truck and hasn't even been filled up for test drives.
tryingtofallasleep
But now you have a Kia. :/
xj4low
2022 kia K5 EX. Kia has come a long way in the last 10 years. Once you get out of the economy kias, the quality of the interior is better than VW and the options like heated steering wheel, heated and cooled seats put it in volvo and Audi territory for $10-20k less.
xj4low
I've been in a lot of cars while working at a body shop. Everyone drives altimas. Only BMW in the K5 price range is the 1 series. Infinity is a glorified nissan. Buick is an old person chevy. We chanted a car that can seat 4 adults and the K5 can get ne from DFW to Houston and back to DFW on 1 tank of gas at 40 meg's.
ulijongoth
The shorter dude in pink getting his shit rocked lmao. What makes me think he’s the manager…
NiceGreenArrows
He initially was in there and swinging, but then backed off, put his hands up, and then got his shit rocked. He then proceeded to push forward during the remaining fight...he seemed like someone who really wanted to fight, but lacked some experience...
MrHappySmiles
Camry all just get along?
MrHappySmiles
And I live close to Milpitas! Drove further to buy a car once..
VaardArk
Did you drive to Oakland Toyota? Even with Oakland’s sketchiness that dealership is worth going to
MrHappySmiles
Because no one will go there?
VaardArk
You work with 1 person, they charge MSRP, and it takes a couple hours. It’s a pretty good experience, other than the fact that you’re in Oakland
zHurk777
He don't think it B210 but it do.
ItaloCanadianYUL
Sing a song, drink a beer, buy a boat
lurklurkingmclurk
That's why you should go to Honda, where sale reps and managers can be on one Accord
theguyinyournightmares
Let's Avalon discussion to work out our differences.
theguyinyournightmares
I don't Sienna other way
theguyinyournightmares
It's a shame Tacom-all this way and just throw it away
theguyinyournightmares
They are going to all have to C-HR, or someone is going to have to sue, probably
theguyinyournightmares
Supra
falsetruefalse
Ugh, sales jobs are the worst. Last sales job I had, a co-worker accused me of stealing his sale (which I didn’t). He was easily 50 lbs heavier than me and half a foot taller too. He came at me screaming in my face so I pushed him back on his ass to protect myself. I got fired on the spot and he got a promotion. Fuck sales.
domillomew
weird way to say "I was fired for physically attacking my coworker".
pleaseconsiderthatImightbejoking
If you run up to someone screaming inn their face you are the once who has committed assault.
domillomew
yeah thats just not how real life works, hence him being fired. you being upset at someone yelling at you doesn't give you the option to assault them. you can call yelling assault but it's just not.
zHurk777
*- .... in self defence.
domillomew
"his words hurt me so I had to hit him"
TheLastBootyBender
Someone bigger than you (actually anyone) comes screaming in your face, you have every right to push them back.
domillomew
thats just actually not true legally anywhere. if you make it physical you started it.
Skymureaux
Actually the legality would lay in the mannerisms. If the aggressor was pushing into your space and making any level of contact (forehead to forehead is common) you are free to defend yourself. Also if you have no retreat behind you, then you are free to defend if they are behaving aggressively. Faux charges are the aggressor's trigger. It is called assault, and I suggest you read up on the difference between assault and battery.
domillomew
you're just making shit up that even the person telling the story from their POV that is obviously biased didn't include to try to justify it. if someone is yelling at you and you hit them, you're the problem.
VibratingNipples
yes legally, if they fear their life was in danger.
VibratingNipples
lol he blocked me
domillomew
lol a coworker yelling at you. "MY LIFE WAS IN DANGER"
MrHainey
Toyota are very strict & extremely brand conscious. I reckon it's bye bye Franchise!!
maxximii
You're thinking Lexus, only like 300 dealers allowed in US at any given time, with decades long wait lists. Toyota DGAF. At the Toyota dealer across the street from my work, apparently the finance manager got naked and stared attacking other employees, they had to lock her in an office until police showed up. Happened last month.
drunkmastered
GOWood
The head of that dealership was definitely removed.
oldguyexlurker
Real question. Does anybody here know the story behind this?
ivel501
My bet it was someone was working with a customer and that customer just walked in the next day and bought a car from another sales person instead and he was asking for his cut of the commission.
jaggcomputing5
Real answer: No.
TheBussyBuster
NiceGreenArrows
No. Although looking real close, the guy with the slightly lavender shirt was mixing it up in the distant shot, throwing punches, then abruptly backs off and tries to hold up hands and looks innocent before getting punched. I don't know what happened, but something about that guy vibes badly.
DanCutter
Safe assumption: lack of education and poor breeding led to atavistic violence in place of verbal communication.
NuclearMonk
Bullshit. This was the direct result of an unauthorized and unsupervised Toyotathon.
Storm315
+1 for making me look up 'atavistic.'
wormfood
What the fuck does poor breeding mean these days
CanIGetSomeExtraSalt
There's one rule in Fight Club
TheBussyBuster
Keep your head on a swivel?
astromoondoggie
You always push for the undercoating
GarmBlack
I used to work for a Chevy dealership... fucking worst job ever. The first two months my manager counted all my sales as his, getting the commission for them, because he was still "training and guiding me." Dude spent like all of 45 minutes a day (10 hour day) with me. I put my key on his desk and walked out.
Subloc
Had the same thing. Only job I have left screaming fuck you at the top of my lungs flipping everyone off.
ChadimusPrime69
Should have put your key in his skull.
Hammertulski
Two weeks here, hired as “customer service” and told to lie to prospects to get them in the door so the methed-up Ford sales team could take turns fucking ‘em. I wouldn’t do it, so the owner threatened to sue me for embezzlement and I walked.
FailedCrate
Car business is full of toxic jocks. Friend of mine is a mechatronics engineer. He's often pointed out how nasty that field is. Full of sexism, racism, homophobia and other reactionary garbage. Sure, there are exceptions amongst those people, but what do you expect when the product is the epitome of narcissism, compensation & environmental destruction?
Willsmileforfood
Thought provoking.
Isthe4thtimethecharm
That was a shitty manager. When I sold cars, the manager just helped with the customer when I got them in the door. I kept all commissions. But I can definitely understand a sales rep and manager getting into a fight. Some of those guys on both sides can be assholes.
CannotBeBanned
It was the opposite when I worked sales, managers would gift newbies sales so they would get the taste. It worked well.
NiteRhys
Same thing happened to my fiance when she worked at a jeweller. The assistant manager got involved with nearly every customer she was helping. He either took credit or completely torpedoed any sale she was working on. The worst one was $3k custom ring she worked on for an elderly woman for a week or two....then the guy got involved by saying they couldn't do the ring they wanted, and they needed to pay more for something else. Customer left cause he was berating them to buy it.
NiteRhys
Fiance gave her notice and quit that week
wadatahmydamie
I asked a guy a question about something in the paperwork, so he ended up getting half of my commission.
pareidoliaperson
Random guy?
wadatahmydamie
Random salesman. My boss used to get mad when I’d ask other managers questions, because I couldn’t find him. He was at the bar next door most of the time, turns out. I was only there for two months, and I only ever met one person who was actually pretty decent. Except when he fucked the (married) finance manager to get revenge on his cheating girlfriend.
MangaSpawn
Yup. Worked at the car rental place in a few dealers. The Chevy one was horrible. Nearly everyone that worked there was a total asshole.
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rbudrick
There are no meaningful penalties for wage theft, so what would you have done?
datester35
Not sure why you got downvoted...
TacoPoweredHelicopter
Because he is blaming the 20 year old kid for being taken advantage of.
CannotBeBanned
Because of how he said it.
LAMovieDesign
There’s a car dealership near where I live in a city type neighborhood (Culver City, CA), whenever I walk past it, I can see all the salesmen standing, waiting to pounce on anyone that walks up. They always look like the skeeviest of losers this planet has to offer. The cheesy clothing. The fake Rolexes. It’s tough to even watch. This video doesn’t surprise me.
tpanyS
Fun note; a lot of statutes on things technically start at the time you discover you were legally wronged, so check into the laws. Pretty sure that wouldn't even legally have been something permitted in a contract (no more than an employer putting it in a contract that they can take all tips).
kaarbaakimgr
Or…you know…write off the few hundred bucks and cut toxic people out of your life. Why would you engage in a long-term lawsuit and make yourself miserable…for money?
tpanyS
Few hundred bucks? I feel like you grossly underestimate how much reps make on sale commissions. Also something like that would generally be handled probably in small-claims depending on the total, which isn't all that long-term normally other than the wait for an actual court date.
haggerton
So basically the same thing as researchers and their postdocs.
CannotBeBanned
My sister is in academia. Chat gpt writes better research than most of these clowns. That's why they are foot notes
MacFarlin1920
Personally know a researcher. Her postdocs get first name on their research papers. She works very hard to help them get published, into competitions so that they get recognition, and good jobs later. Like most situations, not everybody in a group is bad,
ActionJohnnie
The first name is also a typical requirement to complete a masters or PhD. Very important, your friend is doing it correctly.
olafthrig
And heaven forbid you have to continue a project somebody was half lying about. When you refuse to inflate/lie about results the PI says, well they did this why can't you? Cause I refuse to add 10% to all my yields amongst other things.
pleaseconsiderthatImightbejoking
"well they did this why can't you?" "because they have the scientific integrity of Andrew Wakefield."
ThatSonOfaBitch
Was that in your contract? Because if it wasn't I would have also considered a lawsuit.
goodtimehadbyall
Lawsuit is for those with the experience, and usually the money, to get a lawyer.
ahbrannon1
A contract in the car business you have to be joking.
eggmuffin
No contract, no work. US workers never finished their labour revolution, though, so now you get dipshits saying dumb shit like "you have to be joking", at the mention of contracts. Get back to it. Break kneecaps and burn shit until you get the rights you deserve, that is how workers in Europe got their rights. You have to scare the oligarchs.
GarmBlack
I probably should've, but I was 20 and an idiot so...
wlfrnnr
Yeah no, HE was clearly the idiot in this.
ScottyDoesDev
shakefu
There’s no statute of limitations on civil suits…
SirBillington
I imagine that all relevant data has probably been expunged or they could do it now and make it seem plausible, because they're clearly pieces of shit and not beyond such fuckery.
tangent
You walked out so not that much of an idiot.
ResearchAndDeveloper
For real. Defeating your oppressor is great, but still robs you of your energy. True freedom comes from learning to drop your shackles and walk away.
GarmBlack
Kindest thing I've heard all day.
NancyReaganSchoolOfGawk
That’s just how dealerships work. They have very fucked up laws that allow for that kind of shit. Some people go into debt being car salesmen. It’s like those insurance companies where you have to pay for your leads. It’s really fucked up.
eggmuffin
Jesus. Don't Americans negotiate a fucking contract, even when they take a SALES job?! Because this sure as shit is not how dealerships work, it is another bizarre American thing.
NancyReaganSchoolOfGawk
There are lots of laws for dealerships that are real fucked up. Especially by state, county and even city. It gets real messed up. The auto industry is very powerful. Hell they made jaywalking a crime to take the blame off of vehicles.
eggmuffin
But surely, a contract will still shield the employee. A contract they read and approve of prior to signing, obviously. Right?
tarnok
Dealerships just boggle my mind.
TooUglyToAltarBoy
or they try to trick college kids into handing over their contacts knowing they will never stick around. I smelled that scam and bailed in the interview
datester35
What do you mean as handing over contacts? Like actual phone contacts that would not be interested in buying a car?
TooUglyToAltarBoy
mining your personal contacts to sell insurance to which is a step above cold calling
IHaveGreatKittenRecipes
I applied for a car sales job as a young and dumb 19yo and yep, that is *exactly* what they wanted. All the people I knew, friends, relatives, old employers and coworkers, etc. 'you need to build your own customer base!' bro I'm selling a product most people don't buy more than twice a decade, if even that. I'm not about to harass people I liked enough to keep the number of to do that.
zimirken
There's a dealership in town where the sales guys are all salary. It was so nice.
TheChunguskaEvent
The new Toyota Highlander: There can be only one
SkynetWithAPoopKnife
chittychittybangbanglovesustoo
Ok now that was funny. :)
kappuccinoo
MagmaCarta
BabiesAreGreatMedRare
A Beverly hills ninja updoot!?! Holy balls! Definitely yoinking this. Thanks!! Take your +1.
midrealmknight
Clever!
oldsweaty
AhhhhComeOn
CptRobotNinja
HEEEEERE WE AAAARE, BOOORN TO BE KINGS!
WhereIsDinner
We are not worthy of this greatness. +1
Hashbrown123
onetimepost9
refreshingidrops
ForeheadAirport
Is this a kind of magic?
TheGriffin
Ain't nobody topping that
jamrockgal
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
GenXHippie
BabiesAreGreatMedRare
Comedy at it's finest.
bjvanh
Beauty
PineappleLoopsBroether
This is a comment that should have 10,000 upvotes.
RottedOnion