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Apology Letter
Mar 30, 2014 1:31 AM
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hmgkt
Why not just charge $40 for a $20 pizza?
Efreeti
As a Norwegian, your tipping is weird.
TrinaSwearingin
Geese? Lololol.
givememuffins
Tips are meant to be optional.
bazwalt
Yea, we're basically being expected to be their employer and pay their wage.
CrabPeopleTasteLikeCrabAndTalkLikePeople
It was best when drunk people did math the other way and tipped $20 and hug you.
frykshon
With no pants on.
schlauknopf
I should not handle money, when I'm drunk. I'll happily give €20 tips and starve the next two weeks.
vegweg
I'm the girl who tips for everything. Made me a drink? Took away my empty glass? Smiled at me while behind the bar? Everyone gets a dollar!
PaulParten
I was tanked in a bar one night and didn't tip at all, the waiter asked if there was a problem and I said nah, I'm just an asshole when(1/2)
PaulParten
(2/2) I'm drunk. After I stumbled home and passed out I went back the next day and gave him $20, apologizing profusely.
GlacialFlour
I had a guy do that to me, minus the hug, and then call the shop later and demand his tip back due to his bad math. It was ridiculous.
CrabPeopleTasteLikeCrabAndTalkLikePeople
Usually I disliked that my boss was an asshole to everyone. But if that happened I'd be glad since he'd tell them to fuck off lol.
GlacialFlour
My boss was an ass to the employees but an asskisser to the customers. sickening.
njrobots
A couple I used to babysit for would come home drunk and round what they owed me up to the nearest $20. It was awesome.
ScubaSteve0o
Is there like a math equation or a set total you give delivery people?
elladorian
It varies. If someone is biking through rain to bring me good, I'll tip 20%. If it's an easier order, 15%. But I'd never give <$3.
ScubaSteve0o
But is that not their job? To deliver food and such? I imagine they get payed in more than just tips.
NoOneIsHomeLeaveAMessage
Fed min wage for tipped employees is $2.13/hr. Tips in the US are a bit of a service charge and a bit gratuity the customer determines value
StarLordLegendaryOutlaw
Tom and Jenny.
Hanratification
They're my parents' names!
ThePensivePowerconverter
As a European, I dont get what the original Problem was. 40 Cent is ok to tip where I live.
NoOneIsHomeLeaveAMessage
In the US, tipped workers minimum wage is $2.13/hr. Tips are customary.
AdonisMcThunderCock
I hate the concept of tipping, it's their boss' job to pay them for the work they do, not mine.
bustyblonde
these kind of people make the world suck a little less
ThisGuyDisguisedTheSkies
So one of them drew that shit right? That cupcake is clean but that
ThisGuyDisguisedTheSkies
Brain doe!
HannahAbbott
I first read this as "make the world suck ass"
Migotchi
Whatever floats your boat ;)
sesamharold
"These kind of people make the world suck." - You as the delivery guy the night before.
TheMonsterWithinYou
I always at least give $5 as a tip...but just to be fair...you don't have to. It's not a mandatory thing.
DickDraper
Impaired *
svenneve
So do employers who pay a decent wage so you won't have to rely on a shitty 'tipping' system for a secure income.
saalamander
I don't agree that the tipping system is 'shitty'. These people SERVE you, literally. It's a super-social interaction and sort of allows
saalamander
you to decide what the experience was worth to you.
svenneve
No, they are employees, and therefore should get minimum wage to start with, tipping is just icing on the cake, it should not be the 1/2
svenneve
base salary.
ampelamati
Ya, and thankfully it's not like that for everyone :D But I hate that it's like that for anyone :/ Idk how it's legal to pay under MW...
MaxCafe
usai
Wouldn't that be hilarious though? "Honey, come look at this receipt.....did we just tip the pizza guy .33 cents?" "heh, nice. Not rly tho"
wenoc
The American tipping system makes the world suck a little more
nycnewyork
White people?
SparklingCockWaffle
First read through my brain interpreted the numbers backwards. Thought the bill was 23 and they gave him 22.67. I was like damn 1
SparklingCockWaffle
that's impressive they got away with that. 2/2
ampelamati
I completely fucked up an order so badly that I froze the POS & the lady was super nice about it, still comes back and we joke about it!
NedwardStark
What about those impaired English skills
givememuffins
Tips are meant to be optional.
ifuckinglovedinosaurs
Do pizza folk in the US make most of their money from tips, like waiting staff?
smuir
Nice People! Companies should pay their employees a better wage so tipping won't be necessary. If the worker is exceptional, then tip.
diehliciousness
I'd rather have the cupcake does that mean I'm fat
halfanangrybadger
As a math engineer, who engineers math all day, I can confirm that 2+2 does indeed not equal 17.
tractorharvester
2(mod13) + 2(mod13) = 17(mod13) ... just throwing that out there
godzillasgreatleader
I'm an industrial technology engineer and your math engineering confuses me
TobyHinloopen
However, for 2 large values of 2, 2+2 equals to 5.
habslove
When I was a server, these 2 women both thought the other paid the bill so they left without paying. One of them called to thank the 1/2
habslove
other and they realized they dined and dashed. They called and paid over the phone and I got a good tip 2/2
axzell
I dont't understand delivery tipping. Do people tip the mailman too? Doesn't he get his salary?
NoOneIsHomeLeaveAMessage
Holiday tips maybe. The mailman gets a living wage. He/she is not considered a tipped employee. As a fed. employee they also get benefits.
NoOneIsHomeLeaveAMessage
Somewhere, sometime, employers got together and determined that delivery drivers were tipped employees. Now, their fed min wage is $2.13/hr.
ducimus
I always felt that if tips are included in the price, then there wouldn't be any bad tips. Nor good ones, I guess.
Hanratification
Or if they were just paid by the employer and didn't need the people already paying for the service to pay them again.
rawritee
Good tips would then be what you get for outstanding service. In Norway you aren't expected to tip, but some do anyway if the staff is nice.
rawritee
And nobody's starving if you don't, so there's no bad blood if you can't afford to tip because the responsibility for pay is on the employer
Shanimal
TIL if you're a waiter move to california. Mandatory min wage.
Compunction
The 2+2=17 graphic is a nice touch. Also faith in humanity restored etc.
peridotstar
You know what's even cooler? They used a blank card and inked that stuff on with stamps. I can tell by how it appears on the paper
expectopatranus
That's not cool. You know what's cool?
peridotstar
2) They're so fun and hardly used these days, its nice to see
100percent200proofColombian
one positive image + story = faith in humanity restored? you must be canadian.
Counterflux
I don't understand why this was downvoted so much.
100percent200proofColombian
i know right
terrbear0913
No no no.. Canadians help RESTORE the faith. You must be new here. Sorry!
Flyndaran
I hate that expression to. I don't get to hate X type of person for one member being a dick, so why should the opposite be allowed?
100percent200proofColombian
Haha, I just checked my replies and went to click the image to refresh my memory and I had one less downvote. I'm thinking, "Finally, some1
100percent200proofColombian
2 gets it. I was knocking on the expression, but also trying to go along with the poor math theme.
100percent200proofColombian
forgot the "
morenewsfromnowhere
Despite the 20 it's cruel to tell someone you have a cupcake for them when you don't.
SihayaOfTheAllPowerfulMeh
There have been days when I would've taken the cupcake over the cash
JadisAnn
As someone whose country didnt go into recession '07- tipping instead of expecting employers to give a wage is what's wrong with America.
IthinkIcanIthinkIcanIthinkIcan
I think there are many other things aside from tipping that are wrong.
LeSedgewick
There are, but this post is about tipping. Are we precluded from talking about less important issues because worse stuff is happening?
IthinkIcanIthinkIcanIthinkIcan
Of course not. I simply made a statement.
Aralia
I am the only one who thinks that the employer should pay the employee enough so tips are NOT necessary? :/
IWRITEEVERYTHINGINCAPS
INDEED. TIPPING SHOULD NEVER BE EXPECTED.
Aralia
Yes, tips should be a reward for an extraordinary service and people should be paid enough so they don't rely on tips.
ImgurnariumOfDoctorGiraffus
I hate feeling lousy when I can't afford to tip well on something, I would rather go pick up the food than do that and its a sucky necessity
Banalinguist
Where I live I'd say tipping is very rare all together, but then again we also have much higher minimum salary.
Aralia
Same here, I moved to Denmark from Romania. Here no one is expecting a tip, in Romania we knew that the tip is necessary, low wages.
keleri
Yeah, tipping culture in the US is really weird. In the meantime though you really have to tip-- people often don't make minimum wage w/o it
bazwalt
No, I've been saying this for years. Source: Im australian.
GuyInTheBack
That's a foreign thought. I like it
Hansenmsu
I like the chance to tip extra (25%) for great service and less for ok service.
ialreadyfappedtothat
It's as if supply and demand and economics all together doesn't exist
Guspowers
Yes, you are the only one.
Aralia
So, I guess I found the employer :)))
rudejohn
I dislike this opinion. I was a pizza delivery driver for three years. I showed up on time, treated pizzas with care, and was polite.
bazwalt
And how does that make it the customers responsibility to tip you. Your employer hires you to do his business..not the customer.
ihateprettymucheveryoneonimgur
Yeah mate because that was your job. You are expected to do your job. People shouldn't have to pay extra, your boss should pay you correctly
rudejohn
Lots of people don't do a good job, though. Tips reward those who go above and beyond. The system makes for better employees.
rudejohn
I made more money than the drug-addicted coworkers who tossed the product around with no respect. In my opinion, that's as it should be.
rudejohn
If employers paid a higher wage and people didn't tip, everyone who passes the bare minimum requirement to get the job makes the same salary
Aralia
If your employer would have paid you well, would you still expect tips? This is what I was saying...
rudejohn
The point is that the shitty employees shouldn't make as much as the good employees. Tips reward people who do a great job.
Aralia
That is true, and tips should reward an extraordinary service and not be mandatory.
shambonobo
As an English person, what is tipping?
squidwardtennisballs
When you cause something to overbalance so it falls or turns over.
ThunderAtHawaii
a cow, for example
intooblv
Something that used to be about rewarding a job well done but is now an obligation in order to compensate service workers for low hourly pay
shumka
When companies don't pay their workers and tell the customers they have to make up the difference.
Sexlexic
A long and controversial debate which will end in name calling and downvotes all over the place.
ThunderAtHawaii
Isn't this supposed to be your language?
ihateprettymucheveryoneonimgur
it's called a joke. we tip in england, but only when the person does an exceptional job - because employers pay them enough.
hamdensoedefraslayer
As someone from any country where you pay taxes... What's a tip?
socius
I thought all English people were required to learn the skill of tipping their hats properly.
ScopesMouthwashTrial
It's when she wants to try the D...but only a little...just to see how it feels.
idownvoteplottwist
It's a city in China.
TastyTastyScience
As a western-european person, I have absolutely no idea.
rugbi
As a non-american person, what is tip?
tractorharvester
another name for 'junk yard'. Also known as 'the final resting place of all washing machines before ascending to heaven'
ihateprettymucheveryoneonimgur
basically americans give a tip to everyone. Like for instance, if someone holds a door open for you, you give a 20% tip.
DandiGirl
English as in across the pond, UK/English? It's something you're obligated to do as well as USA. So this is concerning
Someday693
Well, in the UK we have a minimum wage that must be paid regardless of earnings from tips. Hence tips are only really given for good (1/2)
Someday693
or exceptional service, as people in the services sector will always be earning at least the minimum wage BEFORE tips.
withrazzmatazz
Not all people in the UK are English but all English people are from the UK
HighrockTendales
I'm a little concerned because tipping is very common in the UK. Why do you say that?
v3n4t0r
Well in europe your tips usually arent bigger then 3€ cause you just round up a order for 12,89 to 15 for example.
ihateprettymucheveryoneonimgur
thanks for telling me what it's like where i live (you're wrong, by the way)
HighrockTendales
Personally I'm a ten percent man.
bronskyb
I agree with you, but would a server in the UK be paid 1.20 pounds an hour, and are you as a customer obliged to pay tip?
HighrockTendales
No. point gut.
akki14
Our pizza delivery guys just hand us our pizza and run away too fast to give tips (in the UK)
TOMMOEX
We don't really tip delivery guys over here, we tip small restaurants on occasions and that's about it
lnxslck
I agree with some people here, tipping doesn't make sense. Pay for a good service? Arn't u suppose to do a good service at your job always?
StillNotYouTube
But some people provide poor service. Tipping is supposed to weed them out.
lnxslck
Also, if the pay sucks, just demand more or get a new job. Be mad at your cheap ass boss not the customer
NoOneIsHomeLeaveAMessage
My pay is great. There are cheap folks who don't tip and generous folks who overtip. It works out. I'm good at my job, I make good money.
NoOneIsHomeLeaveAMessage
(3) Guaranteed: People who don't tip are lowest priority (boss sanctioned). I work for money. I'm in the service industry not a servant.
NoOneIsHomeLeaveAMessage
(2) none of it comes from my boss.
brandi721
Why aren't there more people like this?
gaamon
if you do it there will be one more mate ...that's the way to go and so much satisfying ^^^^^^^^^^
rawritee
Hopefully employers in the US will have to pay their workers for the work they do, and not expect customers to make up the difference.
mawleen
Because (hopefully) most people wouldn't find themselves in this situation, thanks to basic addition skills.
imaginarypanties
Because not everyone has money to shower others. No one should make a career of these jobs anyway as one can barely live on it. (experience)
MagilaGorilla
I always overtip pizza guys and breakfast waitstaff. they get smaller tips on smaller tabs and it isn't fair.
Flyndaran
In Oregon, staff must be paid minimum wage like everyone else. Tips should be extra, not patron's burden guilt for crappy laws.
JokeDestroyer
Generally I give 50% when I'm alone because the tab is like ten bucks anyway.
MagilaGorilla
Good man. I also tip at buffets, because they really get left out on tips.
peteywaz
not being dickish, but why aren't YOU more like this, its always "why aren't there more" as opposed to why aren't i?
peteywaz
I keep wondering this myself, but simple things; my mom keeps about 20, 5 dollar coffee shop cards in her wallet, hands em out to people
brandi721
My boyfriend is a server so I typically tip more than average. But maybe I should give the cupcake card a try...
peteywaz
i tip well only because people who have never worked in retail are shitty. just find ways to say thank you, its not hard.
Flyndaran
I never have and am not shitty. I don't need to be shit on to know that most people are clueless idiots.
peteywaz
not trying to be shitty. its just... whens the last time you tipped the garbage guy...
Tombo
As someone who tried to be a garbage man, they get paid enough.
Flyndaran
It's wait staff in MOST U.S. states that aren't paid minimum wage. Tips are assumed, so it's a way to screw them over.
HystericalAndUseless
As an Australian, who the fuck tips a pizza driver? what did you do to deserve a tip? Yep, we don't really tip much...
turnip001
I actually lost money working as a pizza delivery driver. Boss treated us like his family (ie, didn't feel the need to pay us properly).
turnip001
Some people would tip us, despite being Australian. Particularly the regular customers.
NotAgainRichard
We dont tip at all because we have a managed economy that pays people a real working wage.
DandiGirl
They drove a car and it wasn't ransacked by your wildlife. Tip the poor bastard.
NWA998
Who's we? I'm Australian and pizza dilivery drivers are one of the few service people I always tip.
pinkiepou
Me too in France. They usually are students, so I tip.
bazwalt
Yea. We pay the business for their service. It's their job to pay their employees.
HystericalAndUseless
Well said
Ticky21
As a student barely able to afford food after tuition, rent and bills, I'm getting real tired of being expected to tip all the damn time 1/2
YeastLord
As a student living off of tips for food, rent, and bills; if you can't afford to tip, then you shouldn't be eating out.
LeSedgewick
What if you provide crappy service, am I still obligated by *absolutely nothing* to tip you?
YeastLord
² your "undeserved" kindness might turn someone's day around.
LeSedgewick
Do you kick off at relatives if they don't give you money in birthday cards like they're obligated to do?
YeastLord
Do you still get paid at your job if you have a bad day? I'm not saying tip the same as you would for good service, but who knows... maybe ½
LeSedgewick
I don't actually, given I own a retail business. If I mess up with something, it quite often can screw me over financially. That's life.
LeSedgewick
Additionally, if someone provides poor service and I tip them, that's not really going to encourage them to improve is it?
Ticky21
I should probably make this clear. I support tipping, I do it when I can. What bugs me is the expectation when I can't or it isn't deserved.
NoOneIsHomeLeaveAMessage
I don't understand the "can't" part. Order one less drink or a slightly cheaper dinner. Use extra money to tip. That's what I (student) do.
Ticky21
Most months, I can't afford to go out at all. When I can, I can only afford the meal itself most of the time. Really kills my social life.
NoOneIsHomeLeaveAMessage
Why is your social life more important than paying for the service you receive? If you don't tip (in the US) the server pays to wait on you.
NoOneIsHomeLeaveAMessage
(2) A server still has to tip out support staff on whatever you purchased whether you tipped them or not.
ThylacoleoCarnifex
I'm a student (admittedly in the UK where tipping works differently) and sometimes it's hard enough saving up so I can join friends (1/2)
NoOneIsHomeLeaveAMessage
I almost never go out. But when I do, you can bet I'll budget in a good tip. In the US, servers get paid 2.13/hr + tips.
ThylacoleoCarnifex
That's a fair point, I can't imagine earning that little. It's just such an alien concept over here :-/
ThylacoleoCarnifex
for a meal or go clubbing or whatever. It was hard enough to save up for the meal, I can't justify chipping in for a 20% tip as well.
NoOneIsHomeLeaveAMessage
In the US, if you don't tip a server, you are costing them money. They still have to tip support staff but didn't make the money.
Ticky21
and especially tired of people being upset when I don't. 2/2
Hanratification
Thank you! As if treating yourself to a takeaway/dinner out isn't steep enough!
SusanGoGetMyPants
I don't give a shit if you don't tip.
wasntpreparednowpanic
you can always go to the store and buy some chips...you don't have to tip the check out person.
Ticky21
Sometimes it is nice to be able to have a pizza, or to have a nice date with your SO. You would understand if you were in a similar position
wasntpreparednowpanic
also it helps to think that the people you're tipping are often in the same predicament you are. So it's compassionate to tip :)
Ticky21
some people need to work for minimum wage and they have no possibility for tips. Compassion should be for all.
frownyface8C
So go and pick your pizza up instead of delivery? You sound like a spoiled brat tbh.-person who supported myself through college w/tips
Ticky21
You wouldn't think that if you knew anything about my life. The only one who sounds spoiled is you.
wasntpreparednowpanic
I've been there, believe me. But you just have to suck it up about tipping. It's the norm and you know that before you choose to eat out.
Ticky21
no, you do not have to suck it up. You can choose not to tip if your budget doesn't allow for it. And you should be able to do so in peace.
SerialKitten666
It's particularly annoying at bars when all the bartender does is hand you a beer...
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LeSedgewick
Or you can just not tip, and have a nice meal without breaking the bank.
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LeSedgewick
I don't really have a problem tipping that amount, it's when you're treated like crap by the service if you don't tip 20% or more.
Ticky21
Ah yes, I forgot, people without money cannot have a life either. Thank you for reminding me.
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Ticky21
What a silly response. You know nothing about my spending habits or responsibilities. You are in no position to be giving me advice.
OneWithTheFro
Try to remember that the wait staff isn't exactly the 1% bud. They're working to try to pay bills, and when you don't tip, it comes from 1/2
OneWithTheFro
2/2 their pocket. So as much as you want to have a life, don't be surprised when they're a bit upset when you cost them money.
Ticky21
I have worked at multiple restaurants in my life. Unless the tip pot gets shared, that system isn't even fair to all restaurant staff.
saalamander
Ah yes, I forgot, I can't afford a Maybach but I'll buy one anyway. Thank you for reminding me.
Ticky21
lol, do you even understand what's going on?
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Ticky21
Tipping is an extra, it is not the main wage. Servers are not supposed to be commission workers. So no, it is not how it is.
Smayds
This whole tipping thing is so foreign to me down here in New Zealand. Do some Americans not get paid at work, or something?
happyrabbitzz
What the fuck is up with all the NZer comments herein? Suspicious dog is sus (not my dog).
bwchronos
The basic concept is that you give people in the service industry a little extra cash to give you good service. Now it's pretty obligatory.
Seth21
No tipping here in Saudi Arabia, either. If there is, it's because they're seeing it on TV.
Winterous
Yeah I was thinking "..But they DID give you a tip.". I thought it was only waiters and the like who were the people you "need" to tip.
butteredbread
No, not really.
LorTheMighty
Tips are rewards people give to ludicrously underpaid workers.
mhichaos
As a Dutchman I can say we don't have tipping here. People working in the food industry get paid plenty.
takemetoyourleader
As a neighbour of the Dutch: they are cheap bastards indeed. We, their neighbours, DO tip, even when we're in Holland!
mhichaos
Well I didn't really imply we're cheap bastards with that but yes, we're cheap bastards.
mamajaimie
PLEEEASE don't punish the servers for a terrible pay system. In America please tip. I have LOST money bc of not being tipped
NoOneIsHomeLeaveAMessage
Federal minimum wage for tipped workers in the US is $2.13/hr. Tipped employees pretty much live only on tips.
andysfavoritetoy
Pizza delivery person here. Min wage is 7.25. I make 4.15 while delivering. So no, people in service jobs do not get paid a full wage.
kyleznz
yeah i'm from NZ too. If my meal costs $26.90, I pay $26.90.
ummohcrapidontknowwhattosay
Im from new zealand too! i would hate to tip. But i think they get paid so little they pretty much make their money from tips.
NoOneIsHomeLeaveAMessage
Full time, my paycheck is usually around $1-3. Taxes come out of the paycheck. Tips pay the bills. (Fed min wage is $2.13/hr)
ummohcrapidontknowwhattosay
that is absolutely ridiculous. Places over there must make SO MUCH MONEY! minimum wage here is 12.50 i think or 13 dollars!
Flyndaran
MOST U.S. states don't have to pay wait staff minimum wage as tips are assumed.
Nalianna
Yeah. in my country, our waiters are paid a wage they can live on. then, if they are awesome, they can make a little more (in tips) 1/2?
foxearredasshole
In America very few people get a wage they can live on.
Nalianna
The tip is for good service. Not something they require in order to live.
theillustrativeman
The problem is Americans have gotten used to cheap shit which can only exist via cheap labor.
EllaWells
The balance to this is that it's so much cheaper to eat out in the US, that even with a tip you still get out for less money. 1/2
SlowlySilentlyNowTheMoon
Unless of course they have to split their tips among everyone, which happens a lot.
EllaWells
2/2 and more of the money goes directly to the person who took care of you rather than the establishment. Usually makes for better service.
nanakathleen
Well, I've heard people complain that when they go to Europe, the service isn't as good, that tipping makes for better service... I'm not ->
nanakathleen
advocating it one or or the other but it's been said. I don't ever let Americans get away with bitching about foreigners not tipping though
nzreefie
It's ridiculous and as a generalization they're so painfully patriotic about their crap systems too...
thewubs
I think that in general, you'd find that a lot of folks - other than employers - who dislike how the tipping system here has worked out.
ziggrrauglurr
Basically this "murica is the best country"but if you don't tip waiters starve and medical care is expensive as fck. Best country my ass
FedericoAstica
It's the best country, as long as you have money.
imastark
I hate the tipping system here, the employer should be paying their employees wages not the customer.
Inchpunch
I read about a Brit guy who tipped at a bar in the US but the manager followed him outside and raged because it wasn't the expected percent
idownvoteplottwist
Usually the managers are the ones that will do everything in their power to kiss the asses of the customers, that was prob a freak occurence
CherrySteele
Oh dear, that manager was an asshole, not every american manager acts that way.
summerbreezes
One of my new coworkers is British and she tipped in quarters at a bar. We educated her about tipping after that
noplis87
Its the same in Norway, we only tip if the service is extra good. its ment as a bonus.
Sausmaus
Same here in germany
bombadil92
I'm from Iceland and I loooove serving tourists that haven't been told that we don't tip here, no matter how great the service is. 1
bombadil92
Of course I tell them but then they've already handed me the money and it's just to awkward for them to take it back. Muhahahah. 2
icookfoodandfightfire
tipping is the shit, you make less per hour but but at the end of the night i would leave with $300 instead of $120 or so the cooks got
jmeyers1983
For real. I used to make nearly $400 on a football game Saturday in college. That was baller for a broke 21 year old.
DandiGirl
To be honest, serving in fine dining is wonderful, but I'll be damned if it's not cut throat.
Yumbledore
found the exotic dancer
icookfoodandfightfire
shhhh i was trying to keep it a secret
Yumbledore
What kind are you? Go-go boy? Belly? Topless? Cosplay?
UsChickens
This. As an Englishman, if you don't get paid enough then get another job. Don't expect me to pay for the product and pay you as well.
NoOneIsHomeLeaveAMessage
I average $30/hr. A decent wage. My employer contributes enough to cover taxes. You may do as you please but you'll be the ass of the day.
TheRealMulletMan
Have you heard of a thing called the job market? Also, I'm an American living in UK and luckily most people are nicer than you.
UsChickens
Right, right. I refuse to give you extra money just because your country's economy is fucktarded, and that's me "not being nice". 'Murica!
ireplytopeoplewhoshouldkillthemselves
I'm actually surprised you know the word "economy". I thought it went the way of the "Dentist" and 'Personal Hygiene" in your country.
UsChickens
Cool knowledge of other countries, 'Murica.
SpiffGriff
They only get paid a few dollars an hour and that goes to taxes so, they are basically getting paid in tips.
UsChickens
That's their problem, not mine.
tobascodagama
Essentially, yes. In most states, tipped jobs are subject to a lower minimum wage than non-tipped jobs. (Sometimes as low as $2/hr.)
tobascodagama
In theory, the tips should make up the difference. Sometimes, they do. Sometimes, they don't.
akki14
and that sort of shit is actually now illegal in the UK. minimum wage is minimum wage.
frozendairybeverage
I wish we had minimum wage for tipped services. I hate the tipping system here.
GahBluh
I work at a restaurant in Norway and is paid $24.54 per hour, plus tips.
NoOneIsHomeLeaveAMessage
I tend bar in the US and my average take home pay is approximately $30/hour. I get this on tips alone. My paycheck (80 hrs) is typically $0.
rawritee
AND tipping in Norway is not expected, but some do anyway to show extra appreciation.
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GahBluh
Its considered normal without higher education.
GahBluh
Things are expensive if you only look at the prices, but cheaper if you take in to count what you get paid.
Emm118
Yeah, I was wondering if life was more expensive for you. Make sense, thank you.
intooblv
Tipping used to be a reward for good service. Then employers caught on and started paying less w/ the expectation that the balance would 1/2
vanella
You said the magic word "good service" providing service itself shouldn't resolve in a tip. Americans are WAY too into "I should be tipped".
doublekross
The magic word was "used to be". You need to tip service people now because they don't make minimum wage.
intooblv
So true. "I did my job, I should get a tip." No, you should be paid a fair, livable wage; if you do exceptional work, a tip is in order.
vanella
..and yes normal people can live off of a normal wage of a job. I fucking hate these "oh feel sorry for me"-posts MEH!
intooblv
It depends. Our minimum wage has failed to keep up with the cost of living, but that's another story.
ImmacomputerHelpcomputer
Servers aren't given minimum wage and delivery people aren't paid for gas or car repairs. They need to be tipped for their jobs.
flyingdutchfrenchman
And why is no one rioting or at least striking about this ? This is absolutely ridiculous.
skellious
unions destroy your freedom to work and have their own agendas!
melwing17
@TheFrenchDutch - No- in fact, all you ever hear about it is how everyone who doesn't tip is a terrible person.
iLivedinLalaLand
Because in my job, getting paid in mostly tips is more than I would get paid with minimum wage.
VodkaReindeer
Republicans made people think that they shouldn't unionize.
EspionageBear
Not every job needs to be union. Also many democrats don't support right to work. Which allows far more choice. Works fine here in KS.
courtneyberk
Lots of ppl make more money from tips than they would from a salary. My party gave my waiter a $50 tip this weekend & thats just 1 table
flyingdutchfrenchman
Yep but that's people's money. This is companies actually successfully making customers pay their employees for them, it's astonishing
CheddarDreams
Because as a waitress I make more with tips than I would at a minimum wage job
idownvoteplottwist
And what about your male counterparts? What about those that work at mediocre restaurants?
CheddarDreams
What about them? Guys tend to make even more tips than the girls
balthcat
Only because society guilts people into maintaining the tipping structure rather than expecting your employer to pay you.
CheddarDreams
Idk about you, but I don't feel guilty about leaving tips for people. They bring you your food, deal with your bs, they deserve a bit extra
potential816
Because a lot of companies will fire you for unionizing. Or even talking about it. Super illegal, but very common.
lyssamacneil
Because the government says it's okay for the companies to do this if it's certain industries, like restaurants.
LastNightIThoughtItWasAGoodIdea
Oh, America - land of freedom and opportunities...I get it
demon256
Also because a ton of people pretty much rely on crappy jobs to make ends meet. 1 week outage of income can sink you below poverty line then
terribleinternetpunsfirstborn
As a fellow New Zealander it seems like bullshit
Supernerdtastic
An NZ'er visited, now she wishes the tipping system was there. Apparently service here is WAY better due to incentive. Js.
terribleinternetpunsfirstborn
idk but that seems like poor justification for those who work hard and make peanuts because their customers suck
ummohcrapidontknowwhattosay
im with you. represent.. no tipping :P
DandiGirl
Waitresses get paid $2.83 an hour because our government expects tipping. Please if ever visiting America, tip at the least your servers.
justorderalargefarva
$2.83?! When did it go up?? Minimum wage for tipped employees is $2.13 an hour.
IthinkIcanIthinkIcanIthinkIcan
I had a friend who once got a check for like .25 cents because she made too many tips that pay period. Ridiculous.
icantthinkofausernameomgpleasehelp
I'm German, we were in Vegas in 2012, went to a restaurant, I went to pay with the creditcard, didn't know how the tipping thing worked 1/2
icantthinkofausernameomgpleasehelp
and was too ashamed to ask the waiter. So we left without tipping. I still feel horrible for it, especially cause we were a group of 7 :-/
idrinkcheapbeer
I seriously doubt there is a single place in Vegas that won't tack on the tip automatically for a party of 7, so you're probably ok.
tuxedos
They say 20% minimum nowadays but don't feel too bad, waiters/bartenders make the same in a night I do in a week at my full time job.
NoOneIsHomeLeaveAMessage
(2) Had a Brit who was a regular. Always asked how much he should tip. (Abt 4x/wk for years) Appreciated that he cared enough to ask.
tuxedos
Waiters/ bartenders in Vegas I mean
NoOneIsHomeLeaveAMessage
As a US bartender, never be embarrassed to ask. We understand how crazy our system is. Most will be honest. 20% avg.
wubbapanda
Most people in these kinds of jobs don't get paid enough, so you usually give a 15-20% tip. Waiters get under minimum wage + tips.
UsChickens
Cry me a fucking river.
DandiGirl
It varies per state, in PA the average is $2.83/hr.
rebeccaisafish
Do they reallt get paid under minimum wage... I thought the whole point of minimum wage was that you couldn't pay less.
OuchMouse
In Texas waiters are paid 2.15 an hour.
ifthisismylastchancetosayitrosetyleri
Welcome to Murica
wubbapanda
Nope. I applied for a waitress job that paid $3.50/hr (min wage is 7.50) that assumes you'll make tips.
theflyingnun
My waitressing job pays $2.13 an hour without tips. Tips are what keep me alive.
flyingdutchfrenchman
So basically, you're just paying a company's employees for them ? WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK ?
ElleWoodsIRL
Man I was at $2.13/hour as a waitress. That's the minimum wage for "tipped employees"
rebeccaisafish
HOW IS THAT LEGAL? America is so crazy.
wubbapanda
There's always a loophole. But hey, most good waitresses make well above min wage on average. Honestly, I think I might like to try (1/2)
wubbapanda
living in a different country though. I think our corporations are taking advantage of the impoverished in our country.(2/2)
thornykins
There's actually a separate established minimum wage for waiters, and in most states if combined wage+tip don't equal minimum wage the (1/2)
OneWithTheFro
Yup I can also say that Canada pays below minimum for servers
intooblv
be made up in tips, so now we're socially obligated to tip in order to make up for the low pay. It's an absurd fucking mess. 2/2
AlcoholicsAnonymousBYO
I love how all 270 upvoters have voted up not just one of your two part comment, but both - imgur really is a community!
Tsumino79
i have heard that places will call the cops if you dont tip is this correct?
SusanGoGetMyPants
There are some lovely employers who demand the employees tips to either "share" among other workers or pocket it themselves.
tikimiki
however if their wage is below min. wage, and they don't make it to min. wage w/ tips, the employer is supposed to make it up.
flyingdutchfrenchman
Well here is YET ANOTHER thing that makes the US look completly fucked up to an european like me. Christ, what's wrong with your country ?
MexicanCokeIsDelicioso
The government allows companies to pay their waitstaff less than minimum federal wage in order to save a company money to keep food cost low
Luvvie
Even though eating out is really fucking expensive most times :/
MexicanCokeIsDelicioso
Compared to eating home cooked meals? I agree, but only if you don't factor in time spent preparing and cooking. Then it might be a wash.
GarageQueen
Would you like the list in order of importance or alphabetically?
tractorharvester
Alphabetically and in the form of a song!
GarageQueen
'Twere I more talented I'd riff a Gilbert & Sullivan song. "I am the very model of a fucked-up first world country..."
Fadedsun
Then I get to see things like my restaurant worker friends complaining that we shouldn't go out to eat if we can't tip them.
InnocentValley
Welp. America's got one more thing to keep me from EVER visiting it!
Pandapool
Good good xD I wouldn't visit it either if I had a choice.
TheBrett
Everyone should visit New York City at least once.
InnocentValley
Excuse my ignorance but what exactly is so appealing about it?
TheBrett
Whatever your opinions are, it is simply a breathtaking sight to look down an avenue and see a line of buildings reach the horizon.
tuxedos
It is a mess. I hate that I'm obliged to tip for pick up orders. Who am tipping? Surely not the cooks, so the person standing up front 1/2
snugglelove
The people working carryout get paid normal wage. It's servers and bartenders that get half.
tuxedos
providing no service at all except taking my money? It's a sham. 2/2
Tanishh
Are you though? I never tip for pickup orders. Cooks are supposed to be paid decently and bringing something to the register isn't taxing.
intooblv
*everyone is supposed to be paid decently, in theory.
Akeera
This is exactly why I hate it and why I hate people who get mad at people who dont tip. Be mad at the industry for fucking you over.
brizzleyournizzle
Or don't go eat at restaurants? You're food would cost double or even triple if servers were paid a normal wage
Akeera
As far as I know where I live in Canada servers still make make (normal)minimum wage or just slightly under in some places.
theillustrativeman
This is what people don't get. Employee wages are the single largest cost to any business, even if they're paying minimum wage.
Bhargo
ex waiter and manager from dennys here. it wouldn't actually go up that much, only slightly higher than the average tip really.
Flyndaran
That's why restaurants are three times as expensive here in Oregon where staff must be paid minimum wage... oh wait, they aren't.
brizzleyournizzle
It's also Oregon. Not Chicago where I live. You pay 20 bucks a person for middle class dining easily.
brizzleyournizzle
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elladorian
Sorry, no. It's your responsibility add an American to tip for service. There might be a problem with the industry, but you're still an ass.
Akeera
I'm an ass for pointing out the industry is fucked? I never said I don't tip. I do, because it's polite and I dont want spit in my food 1/2
intooblv
It's the employers' responsibility to pay a living wage, and the fact that we let them off and obligate the customers instead is insane. 2/2
NeverEndingStoryMachine
And if you don't tip who have you hurt? Have you torn down the system and its sense of entitlement or just hurt an honest worker?
Akeera
I just don't like the attitude that it's expected. Many just complain about not getting tips and seem really ungrateful of ones they do get
intooblv
Sorry, no. The current sense of entitlement is bullshit and only perpetuates the problem. I play along, but I'm not obligated to do so. 1/2
BlooPigeon
This. It's one of the reasons I don't want to visit America. Fuck that "moral obligation" noise. And the fact that some places over there(1)
ZebraStripedRose
Then don't visit America if you don't respect its customs. Yes, tipping is nonsense, but it hurts the workers if you don't do it.
theflyingnun
Why is this being down-voted? What the fuck is wrong with people.
intooblv
hurt for a little while but then we'd have an argument to fix the wage problem. But we keep paying up, so why should employers pitch in? 2/2
intooblv
It hurts the workers now. Making employed people dependent on "custom" in order to get by is insane. If we'd STOP ENABLING IT it would 1/2
BlooPigeon
Would have the GALL to spit in your food or other sickening things if you don't tip makes me want to hurl. It's simply unspeakable.
intooblv
You're right, and it's another reason a lot of us want the system to change. A tip should be "something extra," not an entitlement.
Maethoriel
The tip comes after the food so if they spit in your food, it's probably bc you're being an ass or something.
FluffyFluffyMurderer
I only tip a couple of bucks 2-4 because I am usually too broke to be buying pizza in the first place.