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Etereo
You think the game is supposed to be...fair?
delpharseven
Vegas casinos have even reduced the payout on blackjack from 3:2 to 6:5. Eg. winning on a $100 bet used to get you $150, now it gets you $120. A 60% reduction in (your) profit.
Cthulhuonabike
I have blatantly kept card count at a blackjack table and the dealer could give a shit
dreyfusslugado
There was a movie (I think it was the comedy "Jane Austin's Mafia") where there was a throwaway scene showing a game called "You Can't Win", where people throw their money down on the table, and the dealer just scoops it up and shoves it into a slot, apologizing and saying "Better luck next time!".
That's Las Vegas.
jaqque
Eh. The dealer doesn’t care especially if you keep tipping on wins. It’s the pit boss who bounces you.
Pro tip. Take the bounce gracefully. Come back another day
RalphH
JasonWaterfaIIs
They are for laundering
Utecr
In the casino's defense, it's private property, and they can kick you out for any nonprotected reason.
In the card counter's defense, take as much as you can. The casino plans to do the same.
evilspock
If they think you're simply counting, they can and do just shuffle more frequently. It's only if you're really good that it's a problem, and they'll ask you to leave.
Having said that - if they catch you signaling, you might end up in a ditch. Shit happens. You read about the guys who beat the casino, but you don't read about the ones who are beat to within an inch of their lives. Hint: do not fuck with the livelihoods of organized crime.
MightyIink
You're basically punished for having a good memory.
PineappleLoopsBroether
It’s not even illegal so who cares if you get kicked out?
HashMaster9k
Well, it’s a problem if you get 86’ed and you’re staying at the Casino’s hotel.
PineappleLoopsBroether
Shrug. Stay at the Hyatt, play at one of the 43 casinos. Or just don’t play at the one you’re staying at.
Slashenaar
Welcome to capitalism, if you find a way to tip the odds in your favor, that's illegal
MarkRavingMad
If I recall correctly, at this point most casinos use machines that reshuffle the shoe so often that card counting is functionally pointless.
makesense
Casino can technically ban you for whatever reason it wants to. They won't call security, the floor manager will be told from someone else to please ask you to cash out and leave or else security will be called to escort you out.
marsilies
So security won't be called IMMEDIATELY, only if you refuse to leave when they ask.
makesense
Yes, as is the case at any business when you've been banned from the premises and refuse to leave :)
marsilies
Well, some places WILL call security immediately, as a preventative measure, just in case.
PFMAz
If casinos lost money, there wouldn't be casinos.
FireSolvesProblems
Isn't counting cards basically just remembering what cards have been played? I'm sure there's more to it than that but I'm guessing that's the core concept of it.
OhIfIMust
Using strategy isn't against the rules; in fact if anything they would encourage it, because for the vast majority of people, it just gives them a false sense of confidence. Actually WINNING from your strategy, however, is highly frowned upon.
emu314159127001
These days they just ask you to play a different game, or limit you to the minimum bet. The days of back rooms and being bodily tossed out went out with the mob
DiracsDelta
I’d say being tossed out is still common. Beating you on the sidewalk is thankfully a thing of the past (usually).
mithiwithi
Being tossed out is for people who don't go quietly. USUALLY this is people who are too drunk to know that going quietly is the smart option.
cousteau
That seems more ethical tbh, but still kinda stupid. If they can't hold a game where they can lose big, they shouldn't offer people to play that game.
emu314159127001
Most people can't count, and bj is immensely popular.
cousteau
And so is blackjack!
Bystandr
Oh organized crime is very much still there.. everywhere in terms of casinos. It might not be cosanostra but if it isnt its something else.
emu314159127001
That's what I mean, literal cosanostra, with "vinnie the mooch" or something and friends and family.
Etereo
Even the cheapest casino just mix multiple decs.
GrandmasterSpank
There is a game. The rules favor the house. A roulette table has 37 or 38 numbers but you can only bet on 36 of them. In Blackjack the house wins all ties. You winning in the slot machine is slightly lower than you losing in the slot machine. And you're not allowed to observe (too long), count or whatever.
bladderinfection
You can bet on all of the numbers in roulette, but the zeros make their money when people bet red/black, even/odd, etc.
GrandmasterSpank
Oops yes you are correct.
cousteau
Also you can bet on all 37 or 38 numbers but only get 36x what you bet if you win, as far as I know, so effectively it's the same as what you said - you only get a 36/37 return on average, i.e. a 3% loss.
Guidocat
I like to play craps. There is a bet in craps that pays the inverse of the odds of winning. So if the odds are 1 in 3, you win 3 times your bet. There is a technicality that forces the odds slightly into the casinos favor, but minorly. The issue is that gambling is a Poisson process or a random walk. Your funds are finite and will eventually hit zero during the random walk and you will lose your ability to keep playing. Thats what guarantees the casino winning, unlimited funds.
cousteau
Basically, in the roulette, "always bet for red, increasing 2x every time you lose" will end up doubling your money… or an equal chance of you losing all of it, if my math isn't wrong. (I know you said craps, but I don't know how to play that, so)
Guidocat
Thats a really interesting math problem. In an even odds game, each time you iterate that doubling and repeating the bet, this happens. Your odds of winning get higher, but the total amount youve bet increases and the amount you win stays the same. So again, your expected value stays the same. And if you have unlimited funds this works practically, but the expected value stays the same. For a game that is not quite even odds, like roulette, the expected value reduces at each iteration.
Guidocat
Its a fun math problem. If you have the inkling I can walk you through some probability theory and show you how the math works out.
cousteau
I once tried to figure out the math but was too lazy for it so instead I wrote a script that simulated it, and found that about half of the time you ran out of money before being able to double your starting money. I suppose that mathing around would have led me to the same result, but I was content with the empirical proof.
KilroyLichking
now a days with the digitally controlled shoe the house controls the hedge very tightly. you are no better off playing live cards vs digital ones
eppykaze
Over a 4 deck shoe counting only increases your rate of winning by about 4%. Solo it's not really worth the effort long term, but if you have a partner that is cycling tables they can come in make a large bet and increase payout 30-40% if you can signal them without the floor realizing it.
CrabbyBlueberry
I watched 21. I read about it in a magazine.
JimFromMarketing
I don't understand
ZantetsukenX
Counting cards involve paying attention to what cards come out and therefore being able to make an educated guess on what cards are still left in the deck. If the cards come out in certain ways, the leftover deck can end up stacked with higher value cards which increases your chance of winning. So what the person above is saying is that if you are doing all the counting yourself, you have to keep doing minimum bets to watch the deck and wait for it to be ready to take advantage of. 1/2
ZantetsukenX
This takes away from your total winnings because more than likely you losing money while waiting for the deck to get hot. However once the deck is hot/loaded if you could signal someone else to join in. They can come in and bet real big knowing that the odds are good for them to win. And since they just came in, they can't really be accused of counting cards. Thus, they can take full advantage of the stacked deck and win big, then dip out after it gets shuffled and reset to avoid losing money.
JimFromMarketing
I see so the initial investment pays off bigger with a second person getting in on the hot deck. I don't see how they would avoid this
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
I imagine they would be watching for any signaling, and other than that banning people if they win too much/too often. Pretty sure the casinos communicate about suspected and known 'cheats' so you wouldn't be able to do it for very long before getting noticed and banned.
RoboUnicornFishBalls
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LupusLilium
I *think* solo counting is just a 'please leave and don't come back', working with another/a crew is where the lines blur between asking you to GTFO and trying to find something to charge you with. Namely conspiracy charges maybe?
jtwood
Ironically, games of strategy/skill often aren’t subject to the same, theoretically stringent laws as games of chance.
https://jacobscounsellaw.com/blog/skill-based-gaming-legal-overview
“Fun” story along those lines: https://www.history.com/articles/that-time-america-outlawed-pinball
Umkontodon
The first mistake was going to the casino. Gambling addiction is a terrible addiction, when you lose you feel dreadful, when you win greed take over and you think about your next bet.
nickswoop
They say gambling is an addiction, but it's the only addiction where you might win a ton of money
Rijacki
This is why it is deplorable most video games for computer and console now how some sort of gambling (or "surprise mechanic"). It's becoming increasingly difficult to engage in any thing without being presented with gambling in some form.
ThisNameIsMaybeTaken
I hate critical hits too.
Prom7766
Addictions of any sort are typically bad.
But not everyone gets addicted just because they participate in an activity. There's a level of personal responsibility and self control that's expected from a functioning adult.
Plenty of people drink, gamble, play video games, use social media, etc. Avoiding all of those things because some people lack self control seems excessive.
You also never learn discipline if you always hide from temptation. Learning to say "I've had enough" is important.
Clocke138
Lacking self control is not why peoplwnget addicted.
Tolocamp
Sorry you do not really understand addiction and how it works. For starters watch this. Trained psychotherapeut talking with decades of experience, which pretty much is my perspective as recovering addict and having worked with over a hundred other addicts going through withdrawal and becoming clean.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys6TCO_olOc
It is okay to not understand something, but then it would be wise to say "I have no clue so i cannot really give you an opinion on it."
SpartaWolf117
counting cards isn't against the rules, but the casino is a private business and can deny service if they want
LuminoZero
This is insanely naive. Part of the MIT Crew got literally banned from the STATE OF MONACO due to her reputation as a card counter.
She hadn't even done anything there, just by reputation alone they booted her out of the country.
TheButtInButterfly
so, it's against the rules then.
Sorrontis
To be fair, it's not the dealer that cares, it's the house.
PandaStonetree
Card counting is not illegal anywhere. However if you keep winning big, then yes the house can stop you from playing that game, they will let you play other games tho
Snooj
Dealers frequently get tipped when a player wins big so they are genuinely happy when you win.
JonnyTightlips
As a former dealer - agree.
PineappleLoopsBroether
So who goes in the graphic?
DiracsDelta
They care if it appears like they have been compromised. By far the easiest way to rig a game is to have an inside man signaling for favoring a player.
Emjayen
Yeah this would be the concern as conspiring probably does happen. He just doesn't want to lose his job still though.
jsexton
The way card counters are caught is the variance in betting patterns. Either a solo player betting low until the deck is rich and then betting high, or a team with one player playing the minimum and signaling for someone else to come in to bet. There's no reason to involve the dealer in rigging blackjack. They have zero control over cards or decision making.
Sorrontis
fair
IronMagnus
Which would make a better meme, an anthropomorphic casino yelling at you, or the dealer?
Sorrontis
the antrhopomorphitxcid casino
ExistentialDreadlocks
@BotDrawA anthropomorphic casino yelling at a blackjack player
IronMagnus
Fair.
dailyforecast
I've never understood card counting being against the rules. I mean, isn't that just... strategy?
cousteau
Yes but it gives you an advantage with which the game is not profitable for the casino, and they're so stupid they keep offering that game to clients but then try to circumvent their own rules in their favor.
supervillin
Casinos aren't about strategy games, they're about "games of chance." The house edge is only an edge if the odds play out in the long run.
mrthewhitee
Technically speaking card counting isn't against the rules. What is against the rules is using assistance like devices or other people to help you count cards.
But at the end of the day a casino is a private business and if a customer is no longer valuable, the business has a right to refuse to do business with them anymore.
So if you win enough the casino doesn't want you there anymore. The only "big winniners" they like are ones with a long history of losing.
RecurringNightmare
any casino game you play against the house obviously is a losing game for you by design...you are not allowed to change that, those are the rules...you basically pay the casino to be there, thats it...its a "see and be seen" scenario for rich people who demonstratively throw money away in front of each other to show each other how successful they are...if you want to actually win money you have to play different games...
Etereo
It is not a place for strategy
martineb72
They really only care if you signal a third party to bet big. If you are completely solo, the odds are you are going to break even.
LupusLilium
Bluffing other players at the table = Strategy. Knowing what cards everyone has dealt and the likelihood of what they're holding = Somehow wrong?
TI99Kitty
The casinos don't like anything that increases the odds of a player winning. Winning a little bit is okay, because it keeps you playing, and entices other people to play. Winning more consistently, or worse, winning when you place big bets and only losing when you make small bets, is not okay.
TI99Kitty
Everything is rigged in favor of the house, and the house doesn't like it when people try to even the odds.
RecurringNightmare
there is no "rigging" involved, its openly communicated that the odds are against you and you can only ever win temporarily, longterm you lose...everyone knows thats how it is...and its regulated so the odds arent changed from what they are supposed to be, neither by the casino, nor by you...
alantosai
it's mostly a math problem. compare roulette to blackjack. there is no way to bump your odds for roulette, your best-odds bet is a 48% on one of the solid colors. long term strategy is strictly economic because you have 0 control over the roulette ball. in blackjack, long-term strategy is king. you have doubles, splits, and insurance; and you are able to actually make decisions on the information you have. if you play right, the odds work out to a ~46% chance to come away up, a ~48% chance (1/2)
alantosai
to lose money, and a ~6% chance to break even. so realistically, even if you aren't counting cards, if you're perfect at blackjack you've got a ~52% chance to walk away a winner; which means more rounds ought to offer you a slow increase in dosh. card counting is a pretty negligible help since most casinos use 6 decks, but it *does* exacerbate that 52% further in your favor. i'd sooner assume you're helping the casino even if you're winning by making the table look hot, you'd have to win a LOT.
RecurringNightmare
there absolutely is a way to bump your odds for roulette, its called "kesselgucken", basically "wheel-staring", stand close to the croupier and observe their wheel spin and ball throw, most have a trained and repetitive way to do those things, so based on the starting position of the wheel the ball has a certain range of numbers where it is more likely to land...those players wait super long before betting and bet on a number plus the numbers before and after it, so they are super obvious and >
JoeMalmsteen
Their business, their rules. Want to play? Gotta play by their rules. Don't like their rules? Nobody is forcing you to play.
cousteau
There are no rules here though. "Don't count the cards" is barely enforceable. What, are they gonna read your mind too see if you're counting the cards, or just assume that if you win often you're cheating?
JoeMalmsteen
Counting cards relies on various activities and behaviours that casinos are aware of an can track via staff on the floor and people watching the massive amounts of security cameras.
Want to do it and not get the casino pissed at you? Don't get greedy.
OhIfIMust
It's so stupid, too, because it's a VERY well-known fact that The House Always Wins.
IrrationalNumber
Except if the house is run by Trump.
NKato
Technically correct, but those casinos went bankrupt because Trump front-loaded them with unrelated debt and they couldn't service that debt with their own revenue.
TheButtInButterfly
*nervously glances at the white house
ontarioOT
#winning
bobgunrunnersmith
Casinos aren't built on players winning.
SecondSince
Or fairness.
Heisanevilgenius
That's why I don't feel bad that I make a few hundred bucks a month hedging bets on online sportsbooks/casinos. Not illegal, not even inherently dishonest, not even explicitly against terms of service. They just don't want you to do it because you get an edge, and they're supposed to have all the edge.
BananaForScaIe
I mean, they're built for enough winning for yourself and around you. I met a "buffer" once in my early days of learning blackjack (I was semi-pro for a few years), where he'd bet more aggressively than the table to drag up the average bet, not caring if he really won or lost.
It worked, I lost more than I would have that day otherwise. But if everyone around you ACTUALLY only won 45% of the time, and you did too, gambling wouldn't be the industry it is.
Marsupialmessiah
Yeah they are mostly built on money laundering and the doops that keep playing for the scheme to continue. Although mo ey laundering has moved to stocks with insider trading and crypto
OverwhelmingSurplusOfDiggity
…did you mean to say “dupes”?
lol
Marsupialmessiah
I said what i seid.
shitheadtookmyname
Neither are most experiences. You lose money doing a zip line. You lose money going to a concert. How are these different? Playing poker is fun. You are paying to have fun, and you MIGHT get some money to do it.
bobgunrunnersmith
Easy. I see plenty of people showing pics or videos of their adventures. I mean I've yet to see anybody sharing a video of themselves showing empty pockets as they leave a casino.
shitheadtookmyname
So basically what I said. The playing is fun, just like zip lines, video games, etc
MikeRInternetTraveler
Not disagreeing with you in theory, but I would wager (ha!) that the majority of people in casinos aren’t there for fun. They may find winning fun, but everything to that point… not so much.
jamesdking
Actually there’s some evidence suggesting that the wager is when a lot of the endorphins are released. Kinda like the jump being the most thrilling part of skydiving. This is part of what makes endorphin releasing activities sometimes addictive. Mind you I’ve worked in a casino before so I’ve seen it all.
Frenchgeek
With Trump, they also aren't built on the casino winning.
BaldShaun
With Trump, they aren't built on anyone winning.
ToSisPoS
When you launder money, losing is just part of the business.
Akule
It's all about the money they laundered along the way.
GloveFullaVaseline
That's what I was gonna say. The Casinos made plenty of money, it was just run by thieves.
imnotinthewitnessprotectionprogram
It was a Russian good time
CallMeMcGyver
Basically. Casinos are a stupid way of getting robbed that make the victims think it's fun.
astrangehop
That's ridiculous. Everyone I know who lives to Vegas always comes back with "a little more than they left with." Why would people go to a guady blazing hot desert town where the pount is to lose money as fast as possible?
FPAlpha
Because they all think they're the ones who can take the bank where everybody else failed while the casino owner and the manager just politely nod and leave them believing it.
If you accept the loss as the fee to have some fun for a while you can have a good time and not feel ripped off.
TheButtInButterfly
when you're winning too much and not spending enough you will find the hospitality at a casino lacking.
MrStealYourGiF
Well they do it the other way too, give you a show ticket to take you off the tables if you're on a streak.
Vungor
I got asked to not come back because I won 498$ in blackjack.
shitheadtookmyname
I don't understand this take. You pay money. The odds are not a secret. You get memories. It's no different than paying to play laser tag or watch a movie.
Imalwaysready
It is fun. So long as you have a budget and can stop when you hit it.
torp
That's true for a lot of other things.
Gremlynn4023
I typically leave with more money than I came in with on black jack. But that's more just cause I know how to quit while I'm ahead
noWhiteHorseHereJustBatturuPrinsu
They do some pretty good marketing through movies though. It's always a suave spy of a powerful gangster in the casino in movies. Almost never a divorced dad about to hang himself because of his debt
TheWombatStrikesAgain
They're rigged so hard in the owner's favor, it would take quite the idiot to bankrupt one of those.
CoretTrobane
Most casino games are only weighted a few percent in favour of the house, normally around 2-5% ... ie for every $100 wagered, the casino expects to keep $2-5.
Of course, that's when you look at large-number statistics.
They're still money printers, but the staff are taught to watch for signs of gambling addiction and not encourage it and guide people towards help (at least, in the UK they are).
(I trained as a croupier after finishing university and before getting a job in my field)
WarlockSniper
Now imagine being so dumb you do this three times...
Toqom
Honestly he was probably skimming to pay debts and over leveraged because he's a moron.
WarlockSniper
Wouldn't surprise me. Casinos are moneyprinting machines. The only way for them to fail is to be so bad you actively make "impossible to lose" situations possible to lose.
OhIfIMust
"People swarm in, empty their pockets, and scuttle off!"
happyrabbitzz
I do not "scuttle"; it is more like a quick waddle.
OhIfIMust
VaginaPedant
"Sir, you haven't slept since the casino opened five days ago."
Cyrilion
Counterpoint, those dumbasses gave me and my friends each 50 bucks to play with free on my brothers stag party to try and entice us, we had a good hour of fun, my buddy won like 400$ and we walked out of there with a good chunk of the party funded lol.
So long as we never return we're up by a good amount :)
Vempire
Never gone to a casino because I recognize that the odds are always in the house's favor so I'd just be burning money. Then my dick head brother-in-law with a six figure salary goes in once, plays three hands of pai gow poker and wins $60,000. If God was real I'd kick him in the dick.
BrickForAnOre
And how much was he betting per hand though? Probably way more than any of us are comfortable spending if I had to guess. At least it wasn’t like on a slot machine, then I’d be pissed
LoudBirb
If no one ever won, no one would come in. It's the (small) chance of winning that keeps people coming back.
Kind of like how animal behaviorists will tell you to use intermittent rewards to train an animal. Turns out people are animals and work roughly the same way.
ExTechOp
Casinos and lotteries are extra taxes on the innumerate.
I've been to a casino, to eat the cheap food.
mohavewolfpup
And that doesn't even exist anymore
DarthWaiterSE
If you've never seen Cirque du Soleil in Vegas, it's worth it to see at least once.
And yes, I agree that the buffets are worth the price of admission when you find a good one.
Poopoopeepeevagina
It's a tax on stupid people. I've gambled before for fun and small bets, but I remember going with my brother in law "who figured out a system"... and guess how well that turned out for him.
noWhiteHorseHereJustBatturuPrinsu
Instant billionaire
Bojovnik84
It can be fun, so long as you go in with the mindset that you are there to spend a specific amount of money for your time there. People that go in thinking they are gonna make money, generally have a bad time.
LegendofSleek
Nah, that's industry propaganda. They spread that sentiment on purpose to create this myth that if you play responsibly and stick to your spending limits: you can gamble safely. But it is not one night of bad blackjack games that ruins your life. It's months or years of tiny victories and forgotten loses that create an addict.
And once addiction sets in: platitudes about "safe gambling," will only serve to delude yourself that you are anything but another junkie. Safe gambling is a myth.
TheCryptid
yeah, been a while Ive been to a casino but the few times Ive been its like "I have 40$ for this evening" then sometimes I spent it all, other times I won an amount, keep some and play the rest.
NoThankYouIThinkIWill
This is how my parents do it. Going to AC is one of their fun old people things to do. They put aside $200 for casino money and when it's gone and they're done with their free drinks, they go to dinner and call it a night.
ArcaneM37
This is exactly what I was gonna say. If I want to pay $100 to play loud video games for a couple of hours I can. It's the people who think they will always win or must win or spend money that don't have that need to work their shit out.
Moose79
Best advice, dont gamble with money youre not okay with losing
Rijacki
It's like a video game arcade. You set aside the money you want to spend on the interactive entertainment. When it's gone, it's gone. Getting a pay out is like getting the random 'free game' at the end of a game that lets you play on a bit more. Anything else, don't count on it.
Imalwaysready
Exactly. I’ve had this argument before and people are always “you’re just giving them your money!” Yeah. Just like I give my money to a movie theater for a few hours of entertainment. Or an arcane. Or a miniature golf place. The only differences are that the price isn’t set, so you have to have the discipline to stop and walk away, and that I at least have a chance, slim though it may be , of making my money back—or even a profit—at the casino, unlike the movie theater.
DarthWaiterSE
Many, many years ago, I went to Vegas and brought exactly $50 to the blackjack table with the understanding that I wasn't doing anything but having fun; I figured the $5 table would be fun for a bit and then I'd be on the way to the buffet. I tipped the waitress for every free drink and the dealer when they changed out.
Three hours and many Jack & Cokes later, I finally ran out of that original $50 and I haven't been back to Vegas since then; I figured that was all the luck I was going to get.
SpectrumRabbit
But you could be rich.
Rman12
I got lucky when I went to Vegas. I played roulette for the 5 days I was there and Vegas ended up paying for my trip and some shows. Haven't been back and consider it a major win.
Eldibs
I mean, there's still fun to be had even without the gambling. The Fremont Street Experience is definitely worth visiting at least once, and is completely free.
Imalwaysready
I’ve only done Vegas twice. First time I didn’t have much to lose, but I lost what I brought for the purpose of playing games and it was fun. The second time, I won about $800 on Roulette, which basically covered the flights and hotel for a couple of nights and a few meals and a show, making the trip essentially free.
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
Its about as close to a turnkey business as you can get. People come in, give you all the money they have to their names, and thank you for taking it.
Can you imagine how incompetent a person would have to be to not make money with one of these things? You'd have to be one of the biggest idiots to ever live.
ProjectDA
lets be honest. i doubt he ran it into the ground accidentally. based on him, he stole everything that wasnt nailed down, so the business had no funds to keep afloat. even his charities were this way. steal, steal... and nothing left.
opus68
marsilies
Trump made money, by grifting and skimming money off the casino, saddling it with his debt, and then leaving all the other investors holding the bag. He's so short sighted though that he never realized he could've made MORE money by letting it run as a successful business. He's to attracted to the grift and the short term gain to make sound long-term investments.
marsilies
"Based on securities and court filings, I found that from 2001 to 2005, he earned at least $16 million from the casinos, or $3.2 million per year... Trump did not get rich in Atlantic City because the casinos were profitable in this period. Instead, his wealth came in part from causing the casinos to borrow heavily and then slashing that debt in Chapter 11 bankruptcy." https://theconversation.com/can-trump-create-millions-of-jobs-dont-bet-on-it-66104
InablueMule
So stupid You would fail at selling steaks?
joegod
And just imagine how absolutely incredibly staggeringly stupid you would have to be to do that multiple times.
BarryTheCyborg
And imagine how fucking moronic you would have to be to see someone bankrupt multiple casinos and think, "that's an amazing businessman."
Terran81
Many people say “the best idiot”. The most perfect idiot you’ve ever seen. I overheard a woman just the other day, tears in her eyes. She said, “I voted for him 3 times.” I asked if she regretted it and I think I heard a sob.
NKato
And finally, to underline the punchline for those who were reading this thread and didn't get it:
They're talking about Donald Trump.
InablueMule
Thanks!
Elonth
He and his followers are so....stupid...they are so breath takingly stupid that just be reading this sentence you already know who I'm talking about.
Terran81