Lord of the Facts: Part 2

Mar 19, 2016 5:16 PM

DeathclawSanctuary

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Sounds like all of my adventurers

Part 1: http://imgur.com/gallery/99kIC
Part 3: http://imgur.com/gallery/4nHer

Ok, so it obvious Imgur likes these. Ill probably make this a weekly thing. Believe it or not, I do have a life.

Also: http://strawpoll.me/7125733

Thank you for all the support!
Please leave your suggestions in the comments!

#3 ONE PUUUUUUUNCH

10 years ago | Likes 21 Dislikes 1

Please sir I want some more

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Helm Hammerhand, not Hammerhead

10 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

I've seen the movies and read the books. But it's a lot to take in. Thanks for this.

10 years ago | Likes 20 Dislikes 0

some of these things are in the reading of other books from JRR Tolkin books concerning Middle Earth.

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

DEEEEEEEEAAAAAAATTTHHHH

10 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

A lot of metal bands are named after Lord of The Rings things. It's beautiful

10 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 1

Please sir, may we have more?

10 years ago | Likes 266 Dislikes 3

If you want to learn a lot more, just read The Silmarillion

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

WHAT?!

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Well, when you put it that way...

10 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

Also, you seem like a LotR encyclopedia. Can we get some interesting translations to go with this too?

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I heard the Nazgul names were: Dancer, Prancer, Cuddles, Snowflake, Flutter-Shy, Rainbow-Dash, Haemorrhoid and Anusol; but I might be wrong.

10 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Are these facts confirmed by Colbert?

10 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 4

Hammerhand*

10 years ago | Likes 33 Dislikes 0

That's what I thought!

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I honestly dont know why I wrote hammerhead... Damn sharks ruining everything...

10 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

You're a pilot, Harry. Hammerhead and shred their stalling asses!

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

One-punch man

10 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

You have an obligation to make 10 parts to this...at least 10

10 years ago | Likes 53 Dislikes 1

And a really big one "Still only counts as one!"

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I feel like nine would be a more appropriate number... since we are mortal men...

10 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

"Mount Doom's true name is Amon Amarth, which is Elvish for Mount Doom."

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

His name is GIMLI, you clod.

10 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

enlisted*

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Gimley... Gimley... Who is this?

10 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

They traveled west? Sounds like the start of a new movie to me.

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

That font gives me headache

10 years ago | Likes 40 Dislikes 3

Type guy here, and I agree with you *knods head pretentiously*. Its a display typeface used for body paragraphs; very difficult to read.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Thats why I did the strawpoll, but most people seem to like it

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

69 - 31 is not really a good result for a poll like this. ^^ I guess there are many fonts which would please more ppl. Otherwise great post!

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yes, we want it!

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Gimli. Isildur.

10 years ago | Likes 113 Dislikes 1

ones actually known enlisted Saxon

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

comparable.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Helm Hammerhand.

10 years ago | Likes 21 Dislikes 0

ISILDUUUUUUUUUUUR

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Oh my god, thank you.

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

ones.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Gimley? GIMLEY?!

10 years ago | Likes 429 Dislikes 5

"buidler"

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

My exact reaction.

10 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 1

Nice guys. You made OP cry.

10 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Actuallt.

10 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

I'm so sorry T_T

10 years ago | Likes 49 Dislikes 1

It's ok, if gives the Grammer Nazis something to point out, that way everyone has fun! :)

10 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 6

It's not grammar, it's character names...

10 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

Lerd of Teh Rongs: The Fallowshop of the Rung.

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

He is the only dwarf to ever made this journey!

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Helm Hammerhead.

10 years ago | Likes 59 Dislikes 2

Actuallt

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

LOTR facts and you can't spell Gimli right.

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Enlisted*

10 years ago | Likes 20 Dislikes 0

Isuldur

10 years ago | Likes 120 Dislikes 3

To ever made this journey

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Donkey!

10 years ago | Likes 21 Dislikes 0

Isuldur...Isulduurrr...duurrrr

10 years ago | Likes 23 Dislikes 1

It sounds like one of those purposefully misspelled names you'd find in a 'Gooby' style comic.

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Tolkun plz

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

My dog is named Gimli, and for a split second I thought my whole life was a lie and it was actually spelled Gimley

10 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 0

The only dwarf to ever made this journey.

10 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Yeah what's with gimley? And also Helm Hammerhead? The fearsome shark struck fear into the dark one's ranks with his nonexistent hands

10 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

Sooo many spelling mistakes

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Re: Isildur - Technically, calling Aragorn the heir of Isildur is more accurate, because the Gondorian kings are of the line of Anarion (1)

10 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

But Aragorn was descended from Anarion thru his foremother Firiel, wife of Arvedui. She was a descendant of the line of Anarion.

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

the younger brother of Isildur (their father was Elendil the Tall, who founded both Gondor and Arnor - Isildur's line governed Arnor). (2)

10 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Isildur WAS the High King of Arnor and Gondor, but his son claimed kingship only of Arnor, and Anarion's descendants ruled Gondor, until (3)

10 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

I told OP to make a post about this, but told him it would be difficult.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Earnur was the last king of Gondor, and, far later, Arvedui was the last king of Arthedain (1/3 of Arnor; the other two parts fell.) (4)

10 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

The Chieftains of the Dunedain descended from Arvedui, meaning that Aragorn can trace direct descent to Isildur. It is this descent that (5)

10 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

he claims the High Kingship from, since the Line of Anarion ended without issue when Earnur was lost. (FIN)

10 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Tolkien hated allegory (unlike his friend C.S. Lewis); I doubt he'd like the "Sam represents the enlisted men of WWI" interpretation.

10 years ago | Likes 82 Dislikes 2

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10 years ago (deleted Feb 20, 2023 10:09 PM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

Yeah, Tolkien should never have picked that actor IMO.

10 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

There's a difference between allegory and using personal experiences for inspiration. Tolkien makes this distinction in the foreward.

10 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

If he hated it so much then he shouldn't have made nearly every sentence drip with allegory. Just sayin'.

10 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 3

In the forwords of lotr he actually writes "the lotr story has no connection to ww1+2, even though some people have tried to say it has."

10 years ago | Likes 46 Dislikes 0

Pelenor fields are there to represent the battle of the Somme though, that's widely accepted I believe

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 7

Welp, my bad than! I've always believed that to be true. Look at us, teaching each other things... :P

10 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 1

Tolkien and C.S. Lewis's friendship is one of the most badass things ever though.

10 years ago | Likes 25 Dislikes 0

Sadly, their relationship strained over time, partly because when Lewis became a Christian, he didn't become a Catholic like Tolkien.

10 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Eh, not necessarily that. If I remember correctly it was partially due to tolkien not liking the fact that lewis wrote about religion 1/2

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

He thought only priests and trained individuals should. Not 100% sure though as its been awhile since I looked that up

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

This is true, I still think WW1 influenced the books heavily, even if Tolkien either: wasn't aware of it, or: didn't intend it as an (1/2)

10 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

allegory. Something that big can't take place in your life and not influence your work. It changed the world, including JRRT himself.

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

In his foreword he specifically says he had the idea for the story well decided before the war.

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

-.- My point still stands. He was influenced by the war, whether or not his inception of the story took place before. 1/2

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

I think fiction always has antecedents of autobiography. 2/2

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

I'd just like to point out that symbolism and allegory are two different things.

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Or somethimg along those lines. Didn't read the book in english

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Amon Amarth is the name of a swedish death metal band

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I suddenly want to listen some Amon Amarth

10 years ago | Likes 602 Dislikes 4

I'm waiting for the concert in my city!

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I didn't realize that the band was named after this. Thanks OP!

10 years ago | Likes 69 Dislikes 0

*synchronized hair spin*

10 years ago | Likes 37 Dislikes 1

I suggest checking out "Summoning". They have actual songs about events from Tolkien books.

10 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

Mount Doom is a good band.

10 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

DECEIVEEEEEER, DECEIVER OF THE GOOOODS!

10 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Fate of Norns. Best album.

10 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

He hung on the windswept world-tree, whose roots no one knows, for nine whole days he hung there, pierced by Gugnir his spear.

10 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Let the world hear these words once more, "Save us O'Lord, from the wrath of the Norsemen!"

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Where silent gods stand guard!

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Man, I'll have to listen to Deceiver of the Gods later. I love that album.

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I am going to see them april 30th. :-D been waiting years for the chance. They dont come to Canada very often.

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Glad to see so many metalheads on here!

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Was just listening to the tracks they've posted from Jomsviking haha

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I saw them once in Fort Lauderdale. It was the hottest, most cramped-ass, brutal show I've ever been to.

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I have known the Mount Doom/Amon Amarth one fir a long time. I have also seen Amon Amarth twice when they came to Australia. \m/ \m/

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

For those in more of a country vibe, I'd recommend some Fate Hill

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

*Pursuit of Vikings riff*

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Twilight of the thunder God!!

10 years ago | Likes 91 Dislikes 0

Tock's Taunt-Lokes Treachery Part 2

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Ride to meet your fate! Ragnarok awaits!

10 years ago | Likes 25 Dislikes 0

VINGTOR RISE TO FACE, THE SNAKE WITH HAMMER HIGH, AT THE EDGE OF THE WORLD

10 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

THOR! ODIN'S SON, PROTECTOR OF MANKIND! RIDE WITH ME TODAY! YOUR DESTINY AWAITS!

10 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

New album releases on the 25th.

10 years ago | Likes 22 Dislikes 0

Can likely find it sooner, if you torrent. Have read reports preorders have sent.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Preordered it. Yesterday I got an email saying it had already shipped.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I wanted to preorder the mega deluxe thing with the ship. But im a broke ass. Barely have the $100 for tickets when they come to Canada lol

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

A hundred bucks? It's only $50 to see them in colorado, you poor bastard.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

so stoked

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

You misspelled Gimli

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

DAE know than band Amon Amarth?

10 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Blind Guardian has an entire album on the Silmarillion. "Nightfall in Middle-Earth" it's called

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yep, there are other metal bands that are named after places in Tolkien's world and many metal songs influenced by his world.

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I've written 6 or 7 melodic death metal songs that reference LotR. I don't have them online anywhere though.

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I'm just sitting here, noticing my own spelling mistakes, awtch :d

10 years ago | Likes 1227 Dislikes 16

I was going to ask if you intentionally made them but this answers it. Be careful, this is Tolkien we are talking about. Don't be rude. :D

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 3

It kills me on the inside but I can't stop eating up your content. Thanks for doing these man

10 years ago | Likes 137 Dislikes 1

Sounds like an ex.

10 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Appreciate these posts! Always love me some LOTR facts

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

As an enlisted man, yes it was painful but I still enjoyed these posts. Well done. Keep it up

10 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 2

Should have inlisted instead.

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

Tolkien has said that Frodo and Sam were inspired by the interactions between officers and enlisted men in WWII, but that they were not 1/2

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

based on any specific people. When asked about WWII and it's relation with his books, he replied, "I dislike allegory in all of its forms.

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

something about luthien and beren :) https://youtu.be/TvVh-DVhroQ?t=6m26s .i recommend the whole vid

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

They're going to be on the internet forever now. Foreeeeeeever.

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

It was funny, like if it was written in an ancient language :)

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Thanks for posts but could you use different font?

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I can forgive your spelling mistakes because the info itself is freakin awesome. Keep up the good work!! :)

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Gotta throw some corrections your way. #3 Helm Hammerhand did not build Helm's Deep. It was built long before by the Numenoreans. It was>

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

> given the name Helm's Deep when Helm and those Rohirrim loyal to him were there under seige. He went out by himself during the winter, >

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

> killing many Dunlendings and traitorous Rohirrim besieging the fortress, often blowing his horn to them. As Spring came in, he was found >

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

> still standing outside the wall, but quite dead. Shortly after Gondor came to Rohan's aid.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It was Helm's very horn that Theoden blew before charging the forces of Isengard in the morning. This alone threw the enemy forces in >

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

*ouch

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

We too buddy, we too

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It's still a good list.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

thank you for the good work you put in these posts. keep them coming please

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Please do a fixed version, this is legitimately hard to read.

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 4

The worst part is that you misspelled ouch (or maybe twitch) in your comment acknowledging your spelling mistakes

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

"Gimley"......sits in the corner and cries

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

Helm Hammerhead? Neat compilation though.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Please give the story on the spirits Aragon freed from the mountains

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

They're NOT spelling "mistakes"! They're happy little spelling accidents or I'm not possessed by the spirit of Bob Ross!

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

We love you but go back to the other font.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

"inlisted" made me lol. Good on ya.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Ima watch this for when part 3 is up

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

When you talk about the Nordic invasion, did you mean Norman or actually the Nordic? As King Harold stopped a Viking invasion before 1066

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Norman. Tolkien thought that if the English had calvary, they would have won the battle of Hastings.

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Calvary? He has infected you with bad spelling.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

The Normans were just French-speaking Norseman. Count Rollo (a Viking) acquired Normandy by threatening the King Of France.

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

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10 years ago (deleted Feb 20, 2023 10:06 PM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

As people complain elsewhere, you can't be very nuanced in 140 characters.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Like misspelling Saxon as Saxen?

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Shouldn't it really be "Seaxe"?

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Seax is the sword. Seaxe/Seaxum/Seaxna is for place-names I think. Like South Seaxe (Sussex). Seaxan is Saxon. But the text is modern 1/2

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Well Suð Seaxe really, I slipped a bit of modern into the name... Doh! (Suðseaxe>Sudseaxe>Sudsexe>Sussex)

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

English. So it should really have the modern English spelling of Saxon. 2/2

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Bad Luck Brian moment: Knows cool LotR-fan facts, misspells almost all their names. How can you spell Gimli wrong when it's in the book?

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I love all of these, some I already know but you have a real passion in it and it shows! looking forward to a lot more!

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Sam was based on batmen; enlisted soldiers who acted like butlers to officers.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

In my defense, English is not my first language :p

10 years ago | Likes 183 Dislikes 5

Well, these are proper nouns. So, I don't really see how that is relevant. Surely it's Gimli and Helm Hammerhand in French or Swahili.

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 10

In Murrica, we can fix that (spits into a tin can*).

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

It was not the spelling but the grammar that showed this tbh. But you got the message across so +1

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

"Aragorn isn't actually Isildur's heir" "Heir of Isilidur is a title" So... he is Heir of Isildur then

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

In your defense, you have my sword.

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

We are not the only ons man.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Moar

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Pronounced like AWTCH, it is most commonly written OUCH :)

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Unless Gimli is spelled differently in your language, then there's no excuse for that one :\ Nice content anyways, thanks :)

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

Nope, no excuse for that :s

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

What's your first language?

10 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 0

Given the wisdom of these posts I would say probably Sindarin or Quenya.

10 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

Lol at your user name

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

It's all I got. Please don't judge.

10 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Dutch :D

10 years ago | Likes 23 Dislikes 0

"There are two things I hate, intolerance and the Dutch."

10 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Well I screwed up that quote

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Englishing rule #1: Thei're are know rules

10 years ago | Likes 85 Dislikes 1

Th'eyre'ir

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

You stop that!

10 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

*their our know

10 years ago | Likes 27 Dislikes 3

"are" and "our" are not pronounced the same.

10 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 3

You've never been to the south. Come to Texas

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

are =/= hour

10 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

#6 Isildur was a king of Gondor, being in control of Minas Ithil(later Minas Morgul), but after Sauron's downfall, Isildur gave the >

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

> kingship to his brother Anarion's son Meneldil and left to take kingship over Arnor. While Isildur never made it back, his youngest >

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

> son was made his heir in Rivendell. From that time, Arnor was ruled by the bloodline of Isildur, and Gondor the bloodline of Anarion. >

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

> Earnur was the last king of Gondor of Anarion's line, lost when he accepted the challenge by the Chief Nazgul and was killed in >

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

> Minas Morgul. Aragorn was of the bloodline of Isildur, and therefore his heir, but also was of the bloodline of Anarion, when his >

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Tolkien denied any correlation between his work and the war, so sources?

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

For the Sam and Frodo thing anyway.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

He denied the overarching plot being allegorical. This is a correlation mentioned on the trilogy's DVD extras, drawn by Tolkien biographers.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

who and what happened to the two blue wizards?

10 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Second paragraph of History: http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Maiar

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

According to Tolkien, they went East and were at least semi-corrupted, much like Radagast.

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

And their names were Alatar and Pallando, according to the Unfinished Tales.

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

they went to the east to convert the easterlings and fight evil - not much else is known aside from their relatively small success

10 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

Wasn't there a suggestion that Saruman had them assassinated fairly early on?

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

so we can count on a lotr war in the east then ?

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

They had no success; relative, small, or otherwise...Tolkien says they failed in their mission.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

'They must have had very great influence on the history of the Second age and Third age in weakening and disarraying the forces of East'

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

I think his final decision is they succeeded, preventing more Eastern troops from helping Sauron, which would have overwhelmed the West.

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

"What success they had I do not know; but I fear that they failed, as Saruman did, though doubtless in different ways;...

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

...and I suspect they were founders or beginners of secret cults and 'magic’ traditions that outlasted the fall of Sauron"...

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0