21153 pts · November 23, 2015
Meanwhile, in the reality, buildings tend to have floors and foundations and people don't set up computers and electric wiring for public usage in waterlogged deathtraps because that's FUCKING OBVIOUS.Same here. You take one good look at this woman and realize how so much about this doesn't make sense. There's so many things even someone genuinely in this situation would do differently by sheer convenience and basic common sense.
Clickbait specifically. As someone who's lived in a 3rd world country, a woman like that would have her kid strapped to her back, not tire her hands out holding them over water.100% bait to get a reaction from first worlders who think this isnt absolutely fake AF. Like those ai vids of Internet cafes in The Philippines with people who're literally sitting in mud, as if the Philippines somehow hasn't invented flooring.
It's porn. Not in the puritan 'ugh gross' sense, but like food porn or scenery porn. "Enjoy the fantasy without being bothered by the logistics and reality it takes to experience it"If it hits close to home it's because it's not a fantasy to you, and it's harder to enjoy.Someone who has made Cheese pull videos for pizza commercials and knows the cheese is filled with glue and how that smells probably doesn't enjoy it as much as someone who just associates it with actual pizza alone
There's 100% a gender flipped version somewhere for the girls and the gays.The fantasy of a smoking hot yandere lover is strikingly popular, especially if it's viewed from behind the safety of a fourth wall.
I mean, neither did the pharaohs. Like explicitly. They had whole pyramid’s built and everything.And on the other hand are the people who donated their bodies to universities.The point is more that “Humans are weird and will preserve and ogle remains if they decide it’s important and there’s value in doing so.
Do it as fast as you can. Sony is trying to stop making discs so they can use the disc factories to make microlenses. Which are apparently an upgrade/replacement for copper components in data centers
Don't they have Einstein's brain in a jar somewhere? Humans can be weird sometimes you know?
You instead thought that pointing out the world is not that simple, meant that I'm defending religion. When in saying "Stop looking for a Satan to fight, a sinner to condemn. A group of heretics to damn cause they aren't believing right" the problems you attribute to religion exist prevalently without it and you are trained to see the world as it it doesn't and you need to get it's grip out of your mental framework or you'll keep talking like a Bible thumper without realizing.
And the big picture argument is that while u may think that, that worldview of yours is clearly shaped by a dominant religion and you seem to have a blind spot about that that shapes how you see the world and what you can't see.Your comments were mostly "Why can't we freely do to all of them what the worst of them do to us?" And that was so obviously "I'm looking for a Netanyahu or Trump to stand behind" that i was shocked you didn't see that.
It's a bit weird, cause like. Even the last few Popes are loudly denouncing the bad ones. The last guy famously regularly had dinner with his local trans community before he died.Guess which kind of right wing nut jobs wasn't invited?That's a right wing talking point, not an inherently Christian viewpoint.But the person you're replying to seems to be doing what Right wingers do when you point out immigrants aren't inherently criminals. "Some are so all of them are"
And I pointed out you can unpack movies the same way because you were focusing on trying to address individual points and seemed to missing the Forest for the trees.You can say a man is a featherless biped, and I can show you a plucked chicken.Focusing on the individual points to try and make them fit something the other person wasn't even talking about and missing the main argument.Like I said, it can become a cognitive blind spot.All this stuff about unpacking is your tangent, not mine
You can unpack "movies" the same way.Same with literature.Cognitive blind spots that make it hard for you to parse certain topics that involve religion are a problem.I can say "Trump would just as easily use the price of eggs to get himself elected as he would use religion"But if all you hear is "Trump has never used religion as an excuse, prove me wrong" we can't really talk, since you seem to be taking "The problem still exists without religion" as a challenge
If you view the world looking for a “satan” to blame everyting on, like religious nuts do, you can miss a lot of obvious solvable problems. Create blind spots that make it impossible to see problems until they’re on top of you. You can look at israel and decide that religion is the problem. And ignore the history, the propaganda, the vested interests in oil rich areas, the desire for despots to have an enemy, the animosity based on stolen land, the parallels to the scramble for africa etc..
And usually, the problem is abuse of power. With religion as just a lever they push for justification, rather than the driving force. Other levers include tribalism. Fear of the outsider, nostalgia, propaganda, learned entitlement, family, gender. The best example of how it’s a lever of justification and not the driving force, is unironically “is israel judaism?” Its obvious how many factors outside judaism led to things like children playing while their parents destroy aid to starving Gazans.
Im not even saying that comparitive religion is bad. Just that the way you’re suggesting it, the stated and unstated reasons you’re doing so, and the obvious disdain you have means that you’re technically setting up the kind of system that is made for people who have disdain for opposing views to abuse while pretending they’re objective. If you’re critical of religion, you should understand the concept of “This is easy to abuse by people with ill intent. It shouldn’t be pushed on everyone"
It's more about “If you decide to put a class that teaches kids at a young age to question each other’s spiritual beliefs, that’s the kind of thing that opens doors that the right wing would happily use to teach kids to question things they themselves dont like.” You want a comparitive religion class? How about comparitive black history sponsored by pragerU? Comparitive medicine, sponsored by Moms against vaccines?Its genuinely just better to just them play with each other and normalize it.
Yeah, because people believe it’s real, they can devote their lives much easier to living by the creed.Whether that results in the invention of the concept of a hospital or crusade is (Like we’re seeing with AI) moreso up to the 1% with all the power.Superman might inspire you when you had a bad day. But more often than not, when someone’s whole life falls apart around them, going to the spiritual gathering of choice and finding community there is different from walking into a comic-con.
I mean it just sounds like you have a worldview shaped by religion in a place where the religion that shaped you is so dominant that you can talk about other people of different faiths so callously without questioning it. and a mental framework that needs to find some sinner to condemn, and you haven’t really considered how the worst parts of religion still control how you interact with others who believe differently.
Again. Notice how the ‘religion is bad’ tunnel vision that makes you say things like “This is objectively true and we need to teach children this” is something that in one single generation, can be used by right wingers to say “Medicine teaches bloodletting, lobotomy and use of leeches!” In the same manner you say “X religion teaches child sacrifice” and suddenly “Comparative health” classes are being suggested by antivaxxers.Same biased arguments that you pretend are objective.
Gonna gently remind you that “Various cults are badmouthing the competition” is “Badmouthing the competition” You throw loaded language like a bible thumper trying to make fun of a hindu and then say ‘this is the only way to be objective’ Nah man, you’ve already become the kind of person that the post is telling to fuck off.All of the things you said can be done in a secular manner, just by letting kids go to school integrate, and play with people of other faiths.
Im on board with secular education, but the comparitve mythology stuff comes way too close to “Force kids to pray our father in school” vibes when you talk about “Sneaking ways to push the belief of the suggestor onto other people’s kids.”You can’t set up a system that allows such suggestions to pass, regardless of who suggests it, cause it will only take one generation until that generations right-wing starts using it for ill.
“If you can get people to believe absurdities, you can convince them to commit atrocities.” Religion and the topics around it is an easy way to get people to do that. Heck, here on imgur I saw people argue that religion is child abuse because teaching kids to accept things without question is abusive.Now think how easy it is to go from ‘religion is child abuse’ to ‘we should do something about it’ Look at the implication of what the current top comment is suggesting. Never assume immunity.
I'm pretty sure that he’s talking to you as well then. Since you’re also in the “Everyone should believe like me, no one else should have their own thoughts” camp the moment you start talking like a colonial missionary who thinks other people should be forced out of their belief system and into yours.
I hope that’s it. Id rather heroes be celebrated without caveats.
I'm not. Which is why it was so weird watching how people act. Like, why on earth would you say THAT? If a kid died saving someone’s life because he wanted to be like superman, is his family and rememberance the time or place to say you don’t like superman anyway and the kid probably didn’t need superman to know to do the right thing?
This lowkey reminds me of that imgurian who’s dad died doing the same and saving people in a church with an active shooter. Few people are the type to step up in such situations, and they’re heroes, the lot of them.(I’m still a bit pissed that how many people decided that was the time and place to dismiss said dad’s religion right to the grieving OP’s face.)
Don’t argue with me. Look up why theyre historically interchangeable. Stop looking at the bible as infallible and see what its history is, what language and reference was used originally and how that changed over the centuries and as stories grew and changing
As he said, the point is to confront how it happened so people understand how easy it is to do this and future governmcan patch the holes.Something something “For those who come after”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehenna#Christianity Im not bringing this up out of nowhere.
And when you all reach there and find out that the children completely misinterpreted “Were not going to disneyland if you dont behave?” And that the firey basement was something the kids made up on their own?
Meanwhile, in the reality, buildings tend to have floors and foundations and people don't set up computers and electric wiring for public usage in waterlogged deathtraps because that's FUCKING OBVIOUS.
Same here. You take one good look at this woman and realize how so much about this doesn't make sense. There's so many things even someone genuinely in this situation would do differently by sheer convenience and basic common sense.
Clickbait specifically. As someone who's lived in a 3rd world country, a woman like that would have her kid strapped to her back, not tire her hands out holding them over water.
100% bait to get a reaction from first worlders who think this isnt absolutely fake AF. Like those ai vids of Internet cafes in The Philippines with people who're literally sitting in mud, as if the Philippines somehow hasn't invented flooring.
It's porn. Not in the puritan 'ugh gross' sense, but like food porn or scenery porn. "Enjoy the fantasy without being bothered by the logistics and reality it takes to experience it"
If it hits close to home it's because it's not a fantasy to you, and it's harder to enjoy.
Someone who has made Cheese pull videos for pizza commercials and knows the cheese is filled with glue and how that smells probably doesn't enjoy it as much as someone who just associates it with actual pizza alone
There's 100% a gender flipped version somewhere for the girls and the gays.
The fantasy of a smoking hot yandere lover is strikingly popular, especially if it's viewed from behind the safety of a fourth wall.
I mean, neither did the pharaohs. Like explicitly. They had whole pyramid’s built and everything.
And on the other hand are the people who donated their bodies to universities.
The point is more that “Humans are weird and will preserve and ogle remains if they decide it’s important and there’s value in doing so.
Do it as fast as you can. Sony is trying to stop making discs so they can use the disc factories to make microlenses. Which are apparently an upgrade/replacement for copper components in data centers
Don't they have Einstein's brain in a jar somewhere? Humans can be weird sometimes you know?
You instead thought that pointing out the world is not that simple, meant that I'm defending religion. When in saying "Stop looking for a Satan to fight, a sinner to condemn. A group of heretics to damn cause they aren't believing right" the problems you attribute to religion exist prevalently without it and you are trained to see the world as it it doesn't and you need to get it's grip out of your mental framework or you'll keep talking like a Bible thumper without realizing.
And the big picture argument is that while u may think that, that worldview of yours is clearly shaped by a dominant religion and you seem to have a blind spot about that that shapes how you see the world and what you can't see.
Your comments were mostly "Why can't we freely do to all of them what the worst of them do to us?" And that was so obviously "I'm looking for a Netanyahu or Trump to stand behind" that i was shocked you didn't see that.
It's a bit weird, cause like. Even the last few Popes are loudly denouncing the bad ones. The last guy famously regularly had dinner with his local trans community before he died.
Guess which kind of right wing nut jobs wasn't invited?
That's a right wing talking point, not an inherently Christian viewpoint.
But the person you're replying to seems to be doing what Right wingers do when you point out immigrants aren't inherently criminals. "Some are so all of them are"
And I pointed out you can unpack movies the same way because you were focusing on trying to address individual points and seemed to missing the Forest for the trees.
You can say a man is a featherless biped, and I can show you a plucked chicken.
Focusing on the individual points to try and make them fit something the other person wasn't even talking about and missing the main argument.
Like I said, it can become a cognitive blind spot.
All this stuff about unpacking is your tangent, not mine
You can unpack "movies" the same way.
Same with literature.
Cognitive blind spots that make it hard for you to parse certain topics that involve religion are a problem.
I can say "Trump would just as easily use the price of eggs to get himself elected as he would use religion"
But if all you hear is "Trump has never used religion as an excuse, prove me wrong" we can't really talk, since you seem to be taking "The problem still exists without religion" as a challenge
If you view the world looking for a “satan” to blame everyting on, like religious nuts do, you can miss a lot of obvious solvable problems. Create blind spots that make it impossible to see problems until they’re on top of you.
You can look at israel and decide that religion is the problem. And ignore the history, the propaganda, the vested interests in oil rich areas, the desire for despots to have an enemy, the animosity based on stolen land, the parallels to the scramble for africa etc..
And usually, the problem is abuse of power. With religion as just a lever they push for justification, rather than the driving force. Other levers include tribalism. Fear of the outsider, nostalgia, propaganda, learned entitlement, family, gender.
The best example of how it’s a lever of justification and not the driving force, is unironically “is israel judaism?” Its obvious how many factors outside judaism led to things like children playing while their parents destroy aid to starving Gazans.
Im not even saying that comparitive religion is bad. Just that the way you’re suggesting it, the stated and unstated reasons you’re doing so, and the obvious disdain you have means that you’re technically setting up the kind of system that is made for people who have disdain for opposing views to abuse while pretending they’re objective.
If you’re critical of religion, you should understand the concept of “This is easy to abuse by people with ill intent. It shouldn’t be pushed on everyone"
It's more about “If you decide to put a class that teaches kids at a young age to question each other’s spiritual beliefs, that’s the kind of thing that opens doors that the right wing would happily use to teach kids to question things they themselves dont like.”
You want a comparitive religion class? How about comparitive black history sponsored by pragerU? Comparitive medicine, sponsored by Moms against vaccines?
Its genuinely just better to just them play with each other and normalize it.
Yeah, because people believe it’s real, they can devote their lives much easier to living by the creed.
Whether that results in the invention of the concept of a hospital or crusade is (Like we’re seeing with AI) moreso up to the 1% with all the power.
Superman might inspire you when you had a bad day. But more often than not, when someone’s whole life falls apart around them, going to the spiritual gathering of choice and finding community there is different from walking into a comic-con.
I mean it just sounds like you have a worldview shaped by religion in a place where the religion that shaped you is so dominant that you can talk about other people of different faiths so callously without questioning it. and a mental framework that needs to find some sinner to condemn, and you haven’t really considered how the worst parts of religion still control how you interact with others who believe differently.
Again. Notice how the ‘religion is bad’ tunnel vision that makes you say things like “This is objectively true and we need to teach children this” is something that in one single generation, can be used by right wingers to say “Medicine teaches bloodletting, lobotomy and use of leeches!” In the same manner you say “X religion teaches child sacrifice” and suddenly “Comparative health” classes are being suggested by antivaxxers.
Same biased arguments that you pretend are objective.
Gonna gently remind you that “Various cults are badmouthing the competition” is “Badmouthing the competition”
You throw loaded language like a bible thumper trying to make fun of a hindu and then say ‘this is the only way to be objective’
Nah man, you’ve already become the kind of person that the post is telling to fuck off.
All of the things you said can be done in a secular manner, just by letting kids go to school integrate, and play with people of other faiths.
Im on board with secular education, but the comparitve mythology stuff comes way too close to “Force kids to pray our father in school” vibes when you talk about “Sneaking ways to push the belief of the suggestor onto other people’s kids.”
You can’t set up a system that allows such suggestions to pass, regardless of who suggests it, cause it will only take one generation until that generations right-wing starts using it for ill.
“If you can get people to believe absurdities, you can convince them to commit atrocities.”
Religion and the topics around it is an easy way to get people to do that. Heck, here on imgur I saw people argue that religion is child abuse because teaching kids to accept things without question is abusive.
Now think how easy it is to go from ‘religion is child abuse’ to ‘we should do something about it’
Look at the implication of what the current top comment is suggesting. Never assume immunity.
I'm pretty sure that he’s talking to you as well then. Since you’re also in the “Everyone should believe like me, no one else should have their own thoughts” camp the moment you start talking like a colonial missionary who thinks other people should be forced out of their belief system and into yours.
I hope that’s it. Id rather heroes be celebrated without caveats.
I'm not. Which is why it was so weird watching how people act. Like, why on earth would you say THAT? If a kid died saving someone’s life because he wanted to be like superman, is his family and rememberance the time or place to say you don’t like superman anyway and the kid probably didn’t need superman to know to do the right thing?
This lowkey reminds me of that imgurian who’s dad died doing the same and saving people in a church with an active shooter. Few people are the type to step up in such situations, and they’re heroes, the lot of them.
(I’m still a bit pissed that how many people decided that was the time and place to dismiss said dad’s religion right to the grieving OP’s face.)
Don’t argue with me. Look up why theyre historically interchangeable. Stop looking at the bible as infallible and see what its history is, what language and reference was used originally and how that changed over the centuries and as stories grew and changing
As he said, the point is to confront how it happened so people understand how easy it is to do this and future governmcan patch the holes.
Something something “For those who come after”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehenna#Christianity Im not bringing this up out of nowhere.
And when you all reach there and find out that the children completely misinterpreted “Were not going to disneyland if you dont behave?”
And that the firey basement was something the kids made up on their own?