How did Rome fall? Rome never fell, it rather slowly crumbled bit by bit over a period of 200 years. There will be no "Great Fall", more a gentle, oddly quiet descent into darkness. Until one day in 100 years they will ask, "How did America fall?"
That fall has already been going on since AT LEAST Nixon, but probably a lot sooner. FDR and LBJ were the last democratic, socialist, humanist presidents. The last times things actually got better for the masses. People got more rights. More freedoms. The divide between rich and poor got smaller. But ever since, that gap has been widening, voter power has been declining, freedoms have been taken away. America's high (for white people) was in the 50's, early 60's. America has 1/2
been in decline for the past 50+ years. Every decade things became more unaffordable. Every decade poverty grew. Every decade rights were taken away. Accelerated by Citizens United, 2008 banking crash, 2020 Covid, Reagan, Trump, Bush. Clinton, Obama and Biden only slowed the decline but did not reverse it. Rome fell in 200 years, I think America will fall in 100 and they are halfway which seems about right. 2/2
The entire system is rigged by the Republicans. What kind of fucking reality do these child creeping horse fuckers live in??? They honestly believe the world is how they say it is and are completely detached from reality...
but no. we aren't gonna make it. they will win super majorities in the Senate and the House, by redistricting and rigging elections and they'll be putting everyone who isn't a married white person into camps. And no one who can, will lift a finger to stop it. 😞
Yeah that was settled when Trump got elected the second time. It was game over from that day. The US will not survive the way it has, the only thing left is how worse it will get and for how long. Long term Im with people who study this stuff, we will come out, but how we will come out is still very much up for debate.
No they didn't. They just observe the ongoing fact that repeating that quip online, which is the extent of what people do, isn't ever going to actually do anything to them.
100% this. If the poster meant what they said, they would already be doing something in person. But as 99% of non magas and such will end up doing is nothing while the country and their rights are ripped down around them.
It's a Virginia court, not a federal one, that blocked the redistricting in Virginia. So they don't need to bother bending themselves into pretzels to justify why Louisiana is okay, they just say "nuh-uh actually this for realsies is against the Virginia state constitution! Trust us bro, we're definitely not being partisan hacks!"
I think the Louisiana one relies on the Supreme Court judgement that was passed after the Virginia referendum. So yes, different legal basis, but after reading two articles, I don't really get the idea of blocking it in Virginia.
I feel so bad for you guys. Seriously. It's a culmination of the "It can never happen here" mentality meeting the final push of the GOP to full blown fascism.
250 years of 'America is the best country on the planet' patriotism that has always bordered close to full blown nationalism. Combined with 100 years of "socialism is bad". America has been warned over and over and over. Nixon was a crook. They didnt care. Reagan destroyed workers foundation, nobody cared. Bush crashed the global economy, nobody cared. Trump is just late stage capitalism people have been warning about for decades. And when Trump dies, America will make the final step to fascism.
I have some harsh and painful predictions for you: He will win the midterms. He will not leave the White House during his lifetime. If he dies, the regime will not collapse. No matter what the Epstein files reveal, he will never be held accountable. If you're struggling financially right now, enjoy it while you can - it's only going to get worse.
Also: leave the country while an American passport is still worth something. And dont go to Canada, go further away. Europe or preferably Asia. If you can, liquidate your assets, sell your house, sell your car, copy all your papers, download all your data, put it on paper. Leave..... if you can.
According to Steve Bannon, the Trump regime, along with Putin, is in the process of politically manipulating not only South America but also Europe. Look at the UK today. The Brits have let Fartage ruin them and are now helping him back into power. Germany and Austria will fall; it’s all happening like dominoes. Stay away from Europe - Trump has successfully set us on fire.
Thats why I said 'preferably Asia'. I'm a 60 year old white dude with no kids and when I shave my head I look like a neo-nazi, so I'll be fine. But if I were 20-30 I'd seriously consider building a life in Asia. Vietnam for instance. Or Indonesia. And china is about to become a paradise.. IF you can keep your mouth shut and do not critisize the government.
As a nearly 40-year-old guy from Europe with no kids, the immigration requirements in Asia are tough. In China, it’s best to have a PhD, and it’s hardly any better in the rest of Asia. Unfortunately, emigrating these days is no longer for the average person.
Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe the day after the Midterms Americans will understand there are no more elections, because Trump/MAGA/GOP *somehow* won again and kept House and Senate majority. But I'm 99% sure people will STILL not understand and will think they get to vote in 2028 and they think THAT is when they will oust Trump. And then when Trump is re-elected in 2028, they will think: but the NEXT midterms we will win !
It still matters, BUT it won't be what fixes things. The GOP is not giving up without a fight; they've done too much, and know that if they ever lose power, the bill comes due and puts an end to their party.
Voting still matters for optics purposes: it shows that any drastic actions taken are not an extreme minority opinion, but the will of the people.
EVERYTHING matters. Visible protests, voting, strikes (we NEED more of these), and, yes, fighting back. The GOP will ignore elections, and the
media will try to downplay protests, but those things will be SEEN.
A large chunk of the population is sitting at home, waiting for this to blow over. Not because they're okay with it, but because they don't think they'll make any difference. For them, we need the optics stuff. We want them to get out of the house and help. More people striking and fighting back is the goal, there.
I seriously think they still dont get it when Trump/MAGA/GOP wins the midterms in a landslide. I think even then they will think "oh well Schumer and Jeffries just could not get people to vote so thats why Republicunts won again". Not understanding the electoral landscape has been seized by SCOTUS, Musks stealing of voter data, gerrymandering into the extreme, voter suppression, the gutting of the Voting Rights Act, ICE at key voting locations etc etc. I think even when Dems get 1/2
destroyed in the Midterms, they will still think democracy exists and they get a chance to vote for Newsom in 2028. They do NOT understand there is no such thing as free and fair elections anymore. They do NOT understand they are already living in Putins America. 2/2
I live in VA and refused to vote knowing this would be the outcome. Voting created the system we live in. Voting will not fix it. If you want change, drag the people responsible into the street and hang them. Voting is meaningless. It does less than nothing. If you want change, go and get it. These people have addresses.
are you guys starting to see what's blatant to anyone outside the us that no, november won't be saving you from trump/congress/senate. Because fascists will do whatever it takes to stay in power and only violence will get them out.
I dont understand why Americans still dont understand they dont live in a democracy anymore. Democracy ended the day Joe Biden gave the keys to Trump, on Jan 20th. The Supreme Court literally said the persident can now use the military to stage a coup if he wants to. Do they not understand Trump is THAT GUY?
Personally I think it's 1% activists on the "extreme" left, then 1/3rd caring, 1/3rd centrists, 1/3rd right wingers and 1% extremists on the right. But the problem is, that 1% on the extreme right are the billionaires and they are in positions of power to do stuff like buy politicians and media.
TIL that victim blaming is a-okay if the victim is the American voter! Go ahead, bring on the downvotes, y'all think we're brainless and full of false hope, instead of powerless and spirit-broken to the point of giving up.
Americans are in the exact same position as Germans were in the 1930's. We voted for Hitler. We voted for the dream. Hitler came to power with about 32% of the votes, about the same as Trump. Were my nazi grandparents victims? Were all Germans victims? Especially when yo know Hitler had 80% approval rating by 1939 just before he invaded Poland? Trump didnt come to power by accident. Trump is the result of DECADES over Americans voting against their own interest. DECADES.
And exactly how did Germany get itself out of that? Pretty sure they didn't bootstrap their way out of it. And they sure as hell didn't protest and No Kings March their way out of the Third Reich. What do you propose us Americans do? Or are you just content to stomp on us and call us fools for what we've been shoved into by this literal decades of bad voter faith?
I think you're confusing a personal attack (which I'm not doing) and an attack on the stupidity of the masses (which I'm doing). I'm not saying you are stupid, I'm saying Americans are stupid. And I'm not saying that 'only Americans' are stupid. I know damn well the fascists are on the rise over here in Germany as well with AfD. I know damn well the British just overwhelmingly voted for fascists (Reform). But that does not change the fact 'we' as a group, are stupid. I do not understand how 1/2
Thats the difference between Republicans and Democrats. They decide to do something and then they do it. They dont look at anything. They ignore the law, they ignore precedent. They just keep pushing and pushing till then pushed it through with ZERO negotiating with their opponent. I wished Democrats fought as hard and relentless for shit they wanted. But reality is, the DNC doesnt want what their voters want, so they wont fight for it.
In republican states they redistrict without even asking the people... in Virginia they ASK the people if they're ok to redistrict... and when the people say they're ok: "oh no, you can't do that". WTF?????
The reason this happened is because Virginia decided to play in good faith and implement an independent reditricting commission. If they hadn’t, the legislature probably could’ve just rammed through the redistricting.
In Virginia, the state constitution has a process for amending it that they didn't follow. That's why the referendum was struck down. In the Republican states, so far as I can tell, they did NOT violate their own state laws, and so their changes are permitted to go through. That's the cliff notes version of what happened.
Thats because its been a long time judge have not been shot in the head in front of their kids, if it happend more often people would not be asshole, but cops got that fear on you, so its much better to let the country get destroyed than go to jail right????
That's one of the big problems when you have one side who mostly plays by the rules, and another side who thinks that reading is for nerds, and rules are for suckers and losers.
Maybe true, but Democrats, upon testing the rules to level the playing field - and getting shut down, immediately fall back into line. Unlike republicans, who flat out have entire courts telling them not to do something, and they do it anyway.
I de been saying since Trump got elected that he would do everything he could to steal the midterms. And he's gonna. It's time to revolt. Fuck every single republican in America. I hope they all burn.
The *nation* of America is weak, but the *country* is strong. It’s important to understand the difference between those.
But the country itself has also been massively weakened because Trump was reelected, and it’s probably a fatal wound.
The death throes of America might last 50 years, and the next confluence of cultural export and economic power is most likely to be China. The EU or India might do it too but my bet is on China.
Thanks, low-information voters. Supporting Trump is treason!
I wanted to say this to you: culturally, Americans won’t fight for themselves. They aren’t going to change without things being a whole lot worse than this - not “the police murdered a few more people” worse, or “the president’s family looted another few billion of our dollars” worse either.
More like “five million people starved to death last month” bad.
correct. i do not disagree on that point. i just know the "five million people starved to death last month" threshold is on this trolly line we're on if no one pulls a fucking switch.
The GQP sees this midterm as an absolutely existential threat. So much so that SCOTUS was willing to expedite a redistricting case, rule quickly, and allow it to take effect, even though primaries are already in process.
There’s no limits at this point, and they’re poised to use force, if this doesn’t work.
My friend, you think the left doesn't have plans for violence? You think we don't have guns? Because we don't make it part of our identity? I will point out to you that the United States has just spent nearly 60 years using poor people as cannon fodder- especially minorities. They taught us to use weapons, to plan, to overcome and adapt, and for the last 20 years they gave us a PRACTICAL education about insurgency/counterinsurgency.
In the same way or at the same scale? No. The issue here is that the right now controls official violence. Federal agents, police, sheriffs, and the military. They’ve spent a year and a half both normalizing the idea of troops in the street, as well as training teams to use unlimited power without the possibility of punishment. In a nation that has not seen armed internal warfare in a century and a half, that’s a mind boggling advantage. They will act first, and everyone else will have to
And you think the normal, intelligent, compassionate people will use violence and break the rules like those na%is do (and will do if they see they are going to lose)? I doubt it. Misinformation works, today even better than back when they grabbed power in Germany. And - for example - many jews didn’t believe it will happen and stayed. I really hope there will be a fair election, but we know what will happen if it’s fair. An€ so the right acts, swiftly. And nothing happens when they do 😕
1 million people in the streets, all holding signs and shouting stuff. Meanwhile Trump is on his golfcourse 1000 miles away having another glamour party. Rich folk dont give a fuck. But they did give a fuck when Mario showed up and when warehouses were set on fire. The ONLY thing they care about is their own life and their dollars.
Only that isn't happening, stop pushing that tired false narrative. There have been protests in every major city almost every day, and they've been getting more and more intense as time has gone on. People are winning in court, ICE getting pushed out of cities, hell some even have been shot. It takes a long time to turn a beast this big, but stop acting like nothing is being done.
You're still fighting by the rules with gloves on. Meanwhile your opponent has a gun, is raping children and tossed the rulebook out the window months ago. Democrats have been protesting. Shouting. Screaming. Holding up signs. Held impressive marches. Meanwhile the GOP has been pushing through rules that disenfracnhised MILLIONS, have deported and KILLED thousands. Compared to what MAGA is doing... the murder, the mayhem, the terror. You have been doing nothing. Takes your gloves off pls.
Only Im not, you're inventing an entirely incorrect scenario about what is actually happen. You are literally pushing a GOP led narrative that isn't reality. Your inability to see that isnt a defense against the truth.
the opening salvos were the mass shooters who were virtually all right leaning targeting the diverse groups that the right consider to be their enemies.
Gonna need people to run for local office in red districts to help slow this bullshit down! It's kind of wild how many people are out there running for office uncontested.
Yup. When Trump got elected again, that was the moment to do one of three things: join MAGA, buy tons and tons of guns go underground preparing for war, or leave the country. Some people who studied fascism left the country. I think if you have the chance to liquify anything of value and move to Europe/Asia, thats the way to go. 20 years from now USA is just like Russia.
I know but it's still the best advice I can give. If you can, get out. 15-20 years from now it'll be like Putins Russia is now and Americas armies will be at war in all sorts of countries and kids will be send tot he front lines all over the planet. Same happened to Russia.
There's a lot to unpack there, unfortunately. The Statue of Liberty's plaque says "Give me your poor and wretched" and was a tacit admission that greatness was measured in grit and determination to survive. The US once prided itself on mass immigration, melting pots, and diversity. "Europe doesn't want you? Fuck them, we made our own Europe with blackjack and hookers." US gets outrage because the US made immigration part of their brand/identity, and now that's changing. Who is the US now?
Moving to Europe only buys you a few more years of safety. This will inevitably explode across the world like WWII did. I think especially if you’re very low on the list of people that MAGA would send to death camps (white people), you have a duty to stand and fight for this country.
What do you think happens to the rest of the world if we don’t fight tooth and nail against the Christofascists for the entire United States nuclear arsenal?
What if we think this country should burn to the ground because it was founded by greedy rich piece of shit white people and this is always been this country. This isn't a mask off situation they have always felt this way about the people in this country. You weren't going to fix this through government intervention you are only going to fix this by removing the pieces off the chessboard that don't deserve to be there and we know who those pieces are, they gather more wealth every day.
What do you think happens to the rest of the world if we don’t fight tooth and nail against the Christofascists for the entire United States nuclear arsenal?
SquaresUnfiltered
The peaceful options are running out.
BebeJeebies
If the GOP keeps pushing the voters like this, they're going to lose & look like bigger assholes than they already do.
GratuaCuun
Supreme Court judges in Virgina are appointed by the local state and house. Two of the most conservative members are up for reappointment in '28
Any questions???
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arcontos
yea one big one how does that help us right now when theyre already fucking us ?
wecouldbehappywithoutcapitalism
Not the peaceful way
wyrdfrog
fuck peace. we need rebellion.
sturmhauke
There are four boxes of liberty. The first three have been destroyed or otherwise rendered unusable.
EscalatorCongestion
How did Rome fall? Rome never fell, it rather slowly crumbled bit by bit over a period of 200 years. There will be no "Great Fall", more a gentle, oddly quiet descent into darkness. Until one day in 100 years they will ask, "How did America fall?"
GrandmasterSpank
That fall has already been going on since AT LEAST Nixon, but probably a lot sooner. FDR and LBJ were the last democratic, socialist, humanist presidents. The last times things actually got better for the masses. People got more rights. More freedoms. The divide between rich and poor got smaller. But ever since, that gap has been widening, voter power has been declining, freedoms have been taken away. America's high (for white people) was in the 50's, early 60's. America has 1/2
GrandmasterSpank
been in decline for the past 50+ years. Every decade things became more unaffordable. Every decade poverty grew. Every decade rights were taken away. Accelerated by Citizens United, 2008 banking crash, 2020 Covid, Reagan, Trump, Bush. Clinton, Obama and Biden only slowed the decline but did not reverse it. Rome fell in 200 years, I think America will fall in 100 and they are halfway which seems about right. 2/2
JCstormz
Nope, we are not gonna make it. Religious authoritarian oligarchy is in our near future
GrandmasterSpank
"You're Christian? Ok but what KIND of Christian?" (that kinda vibe)
TheMellowMoron
The entire system is rigged by the Republicans. What kind of fucking reality do these child creeping horse fuckers live in??? They honestly believe the world is how they say it is and are completely detached from reality...
but no. we aren't gonna make it. they will win super majorities in the Senate and the House, by redistricting and rigging elections and they'll be putting everyone who isn't a married white person into camps. And no one who can, will lift a finger to stop it. 😞
marquettegoldeneagles
I figure they put anyone who voted for Harrison or Biden into camps. They already have all the voter info or soon will.
whywritemythesiswhenihaveinternet
The dems there should just pull a trump and ignore it. What're they gonna do?
DukeDarkwood
How, exactly, would ignoring it work, in this situation?
When the midterms come, and votes get counted, it will count each vote for the district the official maps say it is.
If you instead mean ignoring the court decision, and proceeding to redistrict, then we'll end up in a tug of war, and I don't know who would win it.
jackwagon311
There's red states already doing w/e the fuck they want. Time to beat em at their own game.
whywritemythesiswhenihaveinternet
I meant the latter, yes. Just do the redistricting and ignore all court orders
backrideup9
We're already in a tug of war and the Democrats are getting fucking waffle-stomped by the corrupt ass court of the GQP.
IncognitoEnthusiast
Yeah that was settled when Trump got elected the second time. It was game over from that day. The US will not survive the way it has, the only thing left is how worse it will get and for how long. Long term Im with people who study this stuff, we will come out, but how we will come out is still very much up for debate.
hyperchondriac
Rome isn't much of a player on the world stage these days. Neither is Constantinople. And they didn't have global warming to contend with back then.
wherethehorriblethingsare
They've forgotten that representation and impartial justice are what we all agreed to so that we wouldn't ride them out of town on a rail.
ElbowDeepInAGoblin
No they didn't. They just observe the ongoing fact that repeating that quip online, which is the extent of what people do, isn't ever going to actually do anything to them.
ImAGrower
100% this. If the poster meant what they said, they would already be doing something in person. But as 99% of non magas and such will end up doing is nothing while the country and their rights are ripped down around them.
RyanH42
Just ignore the ruling and keep using the map.
ElusiveThing
To a non-American idiot, could someone explain how this is illegal, but not the one in Louisiana? Is the answer just regressives being racist?
Daliena06
It's a Virginia court, not a federal one, that blocked the redistricting in Virginia. So they don't need to bother bending themselves into pretzels to justify why Louisiana is okay, they just say "nuh-uh actually this for realsies is against the Virginia state constitution! Trust us bro, we're definitely not being partisan hacks!"
ElusiveThing
I think the Louisiana one relies on the Supreme Court judgement that was passed after the Virginia referendum. So yes, different legal basis, but after reading two articles, I don't really get the idea of blocking it in Virginia.
What a shitshow. Thanks for helping me out.
DontYouHateWhenAllUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken
I feel so bad for you guys. Seriously. It's a culmination of the "It can never happen here" mentality meeting the final push of the GOP to full blown fascism.
GrandmasterSpank
250 years of 'America is the best country on the planet' patriotism that has always bordered close to full blown nationalism. Combined with 100 years of "socialism is bad". America has been warned over and over and over. Nixon was a crook. They didnt care. Reagan destroyed workers foundation, nobody cared. Bush crashed the global economy, nobody cared. Trump is just late stage capitalism people have been warning about for decades. And when Trump dies, America will make the final step to fascism.
WhatDeanerWasTalkingAbout
Do it anyway.
MisterLuminous
I have some harsh and painful predictions for you:
He will win the midterms.
He will not leave the White House during his lifetime.
If he dies, the regime will not collapse.
No matter what the Epstein files reveal, he will never be held accountable.
If you're struggling financially right now, enjoy it while you can - it's only going to get worse.
We aren't angry enough!
GrandmasterSpank
Also: leave the country while an American passport is still worth something. And dont go to Canada, go further away. Europe or preferably Asia. If you can, liquidate your assets, sell your house, sell your car, copy all your papers, download all your data, put it on paper. Leave..... if you can.
MisterLuminous
According to Steve Bannon, the Trump regime, along with Putin, is in the process of politically manipulating not only South America but also Europe. Look at the UK today. The Brits have let Fartage ruin them and are now helping him back into power. Germany and Austria will fall; it’s all happening like dominoes. Stay away from Europe - Trump has successfully set us on fire.
GrandmasterSpank
Thats why I said 'preferably Asia'. I'm a 60 year old white dude with no kids and when I shave my head I look like a neo-nazi, so I'll be fine. But if I were 20-30 I'd seriously consider building a life in Asia. Vietnam for instance. Or Indonesia. And china is about to become a paradise.. IF you can keep your mouth shut and do not critisize the government.
MisterLuminous
As a nearly 40-year-old guy from Europe with no kids, the immigration requirements in Asia are tough. In China, it’s best to have a PhD, and it’s hardly any better in the rest of Asia. Unfortunately, emigrating these days is no longer for the average person.
FaithAlone
Virginia democrats should do it anyway and force the issue in to the midterms.
GrandmasterSpank
Yup, thats what the GOP would do. But noooo.. Democrats always play nice.
Imadethisaccounttopost
This was a legal bill/referendum as voted on by the public, and passed.
The court should have no say unless it's unconstitutional.
oozabooza
Don't give up hope! But hope alone isn't going to change anything. Get out there and VOTE!
Darkpyroninja
I voted yes , what now
i18736524742069
😂 they just did, how’d that work out?
LeoGrun19401
Hey, democracy was a fun little experiment while we tried
RobertAG25772
They feel gerrymandering is wrong—not realizing that that philosophy only works when applied NATIONALLY, not locally!
FraudulentPepsi
If that makes you angry don't follow it up with looking into what just happened in Tennessee
bittenicht39
It takes a special kind of stupid to put "No rigged maps" on a sign promoting the GOP gerrymandering. And there is a special hell for those ghouls.
unfortunatelynotdeadyet
Keep poking the bear. This is not going to end well. Take every opportunity from people, they have nothing left to lose.
GrandmasterSpank
Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe the day after the Midterms Americans will understand there are no more elections, because Trump/MAGA/GOP *somehow* won again and kept House and Senate majority. But I'm 99% sure people will STILL not understand and will think they get to vote in 2028 and they think THAT is when they will oust Trump. And then when Trump is re-elected in 2028, they will think: but the NEXT midterms we will win !
i18736524742069
People still thinking voting matters in 2026: 🍭
DukeDarkwood
It still matters, BUT it won't be what fixes things. The GOP is not giving up without a fight; they've done too much, and know that if they ever lose power, the bill comes due and puts an end to their party.
Voting still matters for optics purposes: it shows that any drastic actions taken are not an extreme minority opinion, but the will of the people.
EVERYTHING matters. Visible protests, voting, strikes (we NEED more of these), and, yes, fighting back. The GOP will ignore elections, and the
DukeDarkwood
media will try to downplay protests, but those things will be SEEN.
A large chunk of the population is sitting at home, waiting for this to blow over. Not because they're okay with it, but because they don't think they'll make any difference. For them, we need the optics stuff. We want them to get out of the house and help. More people striking and fighting back is the goal, there.
GrandmasterSpank
I seriously think they still dont get it when Trump/MAGA/GOP wins the midterms in a landslide. I think even then they will think "oh well Schumer and Jeffries just could not get people to vote so thats why Republicunts won again". Not understanding the electoral landscape has been seized by SCOTUS, Musks stealing of voter data, gerrymandering into the extreme, voter suppression, the gutting of the Voting Rights Act, ICE at key voting locations etc etc. I think even when Dems get 1/2
GrandmasterSpank
destroyed in the Midterms, they will still think democracy exists and they get a chance to vote for Newsom in 2028. They do NOT understand there is no such thing as free and fair elections anymore. They do NOT understand they are already living in Putins America. 2/2
sirbartonslady
Silly Democrats, thinking that the laws apply to you equally. The goalposts have legs.
AllRepublicansArePedophiles
I live in VA and refused to vote knowing this would be the outcome. Voting created the system we live in. Voting will not fix it. If you want change, drag the people responsible into the street and hang them. Voting is meaningless. It does less than nothing. If you want change, go and get it. These people have addresses.
GrandmasterSpank
Thats the weird part. Only 2 judges decided to nullify the vote of 1.6 MILLION voters. And those 1.6 million people go: oh well, nothing we can do.
AllRepublicansArePedophiles
All it takes is one hero to punish those fascists.
GrandmasterSpank
Weird how there is nobody in those 1.6 million people with an uncurable disease who has nothing to lose.
Shoutrr
are you guys starting to see what's blatant to anyone outside the us that no, november won't be saving you from trump/congress/senate. Because fascists will do whatever it takes to stay in power and only violence will get them out.
GrandmasterSpank
I dont understand why Americans still dont understand they dont live in a democracy anymore. Democracy ended the day Joe Biden gave the keys to Trump, on Jan 20th. The Supreme Court literally said the persident can now use the military to stage a coup if he wants to. Do they not understand Trump is THAT GUY?
cjandstuff
Less than a third of the country does. About 1/3 doesn't care, and the other 1/3 is cheering for it.
GrandmasterSpank
Personally I think it's 1% activists on the "extreme" left, then 1/3rd caring, 1/3rd centrists, 1/3rd right wingers and 1% extremists on the right. But the problem is, that 1% on the extreme right are the billionaires and they are in positions of power to do stuff like buy politicians and media.
sirbartonslady
TIL that victim blaming is a-okay if the victim is the American voter! Go ahead, bring on the downvotes, y'all think we're brainless and full of false hope, instead of powerless and spirit-broken to the point of giving up.
GrandmasterSpank
What is victim blaming?
GrandmasterSpank
Americans are in the exact same position as Germans were in the 1930's. We voted for Hitler. We voted for the dream. Hitler came to power with about 32% of the votes, about the same as Trump. Were my nazi grandparents victims? Were all Germans victims? Especially when yo know Hitler had 80% approval rating by 1939 just before he invaded Poland? Trump didnt come to power by accident. Trump is the result of DECADES over Americans voting against their own interest. DECADES.
sirbartonslady
And exactly how did Germany get itself out of that? Pretty sure they didn't bootstrap their way out of it. And they sure as hell didn't protest and No Kings March their way out of the Third Reich. What do you propose us Americans do? Or are you just content to stomp on us and call us fools for what we've been shoved into by this literal decades of bad voter faith?
GrandmasterSpank
I think you're confusing a personal attack (which I'm not doing) and an attack on the stupidity of the masses (which I'm doing). I'm not saying you are stupid, I'm saying Americans are stupid. And I'm not saying that 'only Americans' are stupid. I know damn well the fascists are on the rise over here in Germany as well with AfD. I know damn well the British just overwhelmingly voted for fascists (Reform). But that does not change the fact 'we' as a group, are stupid. I do not understand how 1/2
i18736524742069
Then maybe dems need to stop being victims
SeasonedCitizen
In Alabama, the Republicans were finalizing redistricting during a tornado. Sirens and alarms going off, the building flooding, they kept at it.
GrandmasterSpank
Thats the difference between Republicans and Democrats. They decide to do something and then they do it. They dont look at anything. They ignore the law, they ignore precedent. They just keep pushing and pushing till then pushed it through with ZERO negotiating with their opponent. I wished Democrats fought as hard and relentless for shit they wanted. But reality is, the DNC doesnt want what their voters want, so they wont fight for it.
yalczero
Shame they didn't all die in the assembly chamber.
Sebastopol140
In republican states they redistrict without even asking the people... in Virginia they ASK the people if they're ok to redistrict... and when the people say they're ok: "oh no, you can't do that". WTF?????
Illithidbane
American history is littered with things that only became illegal when the poor or brown people started doing them.
AyatollahBahloni
This is fascist autocracy. The will of the people has no validity.
dextarrogue
If every non Republican went exempt on their taxes, they would fold immediately.🤷♂️
alcamar
There's no logic beyond taking absolute control with no interest in giving it back up. We must fight back or we lose it all
do7rkb5n
It becomes more clear everyday that we will not regain this country without fighting. I hope I am wrong.
TheBlackSonOfTheHonestMan
you're right and we won't regain it even if we fight, they're gonna kick out asses, they own the military and the police
do7rkb5n
We will win.
TheBlackSonOfTheHonestMan
I hope you're right, but I already saw this happen before
PinkyTheUnicorn2
Republicans voted to block it, the 3 democrats voted to allow it.
Republicans at every level know they're about to lose, so they're going all out.
GiantFlyingLabia
The reason this happened is because Virginia decided to play in good faith and implement an independent reditricting commission. If they hadn’t, the legislature probably could’ve just rammed through the redistricting.
Like all the red states are doing, for example.
firehawkcultist
republicans will abandon democracy before they give up any power
Sebastopol140
They already abandoned democracy.
DameDePiques
And here I thought they were all about States Rights. /s
FartsSmellBad
This should be a lesson and observation of the Republican model. Don't ask permission, and people won't be able to stop you.
zHurk777
Because 4 of the 7 judges are republicans. That's how the fvck.
mmmike917
In Virginia, the state constitution has a process for amending it that they didn't follow. That's why the referendum was struck down. In the Republican states, so far as I can tell, they did NOT violate their own state laws, and so their changes are permitted to go through. That's the cliff notes version of what happened.
livingonagiantfireball
Thats because its been a long time judge have not been shot in the head in front of their kids, if it happend more often people would not be asshole, but cops got that fear on you, so its much better to let the country get destroyed than go to jail right????
TheWombatStrikesAgain
Why do you think the GOP spent so much time and effort blocking judges? This coup has been coming for a long time.
Anaphriel
That's one of the big problems when you have one side who mostly plays by the rules, and another side who thinks that reading is for nerds, and rules are for suckers and losers.
mmmike917
The very reason the referendum was struck down is because the Democrats DIDN'T play by the rules laid down in their state constitution.
Anaphriel
Maybe true, but Democrats, upon testing the rules to level the playing field - and getting shut down, immediately fall back into line. Unlike republicans, who flat out have entire courts telling them not to do something, and they do it anyway.
eastend666
You must be confusing us with a democracy.
MadamPuddifoot
I de been saying since Trump got elected that he would do everything he could to steal the midterms. And he's gonna. It's time to revolt. Fuck every single republican in America. I hope they all burn.
Sebastopol140
He's not the only one wanting to steal th eelection, most of the republicans know that they're toast if they lose. Yep, fuck them all.
Maverickaura
We are very quickly approaching the "no other option but it going hot" phase
zHurk777
ain't nothin' gonna happen. nothin'. might as well get used to it: American Democracy is Dead.
OverwhelmingSurplusOfDiggity
The *nation* of America is weak, but the *country* is strong. It’s important to understand the difference between those.
But the country itself has also been massively weakened because Trump was reelected, and it’s probably a fatal wound.
The death throes of America might last 50 years, and the next confluence of cultural export and economic power is most likely to be China. The EU or India might do it too but my bet is on China.
Thanks, low-information voters. Supporting Trump is treason!
OverwhelmingSurplusOfDiggity
Oops, my other reply was for someone else.
I wanted to say this to you: culturally, Americans won’t fight for themselves. They aren’t going to change without things being a whole lot worse than this - not “the police murdered a few more people” worse, or “the president’s family looted another few billion of our dollars” worse either.
More like “five million people starved to death last month” bad.
Maverickaura
correct. i do not disagree on that point. i just know the "five million people starved to death last month" threshold is on this trolly line we're on if no one pulls a fucking switch.
chefsoda
The GQP sees this midterm as an absolutely existential threat. So much so that SCOTUS was willing to expedite a redistricting case, rule quickly, and allow it to take effect, even though primaries are already in process.
There’s no limits at this point, and they’re poised to use force, if this doesn’t work.
newsguycraigevans
Uh oh. Shalafi will show up with "facts" to explain how the SCOTUS is not helping Republicans.
gypsyspot
Why not just ignore the supreme court, other states have done so
ThM1ck
So are we.
chefsoda
I don’t doubt the willingness on the left at this point, but the right is actually in place and have plans for many levels of violence, come November.
They haven’t been hiring the worst they find without reason
ThM1ck
My friend, you think the left doesn't have plans for violence? You think we don't have guns? Because we don't make it part of our identity? I will point out to you that the United States has just spent nearly 60 years using poor people as cannon fodder- especially minorities. They taught us to use weapons, to plan, to overcome and adapt, and for the last 20 years they gave us a PRACTICAL education about insurgency/counterinsurgency.
They are not ready for us.
chefsoda
In the same way or at the same scale? No. The issue here is that the right now controls official violence. Federal agents, police, sheriffs, and the military. They’ve spent a year and a half both normalizing the idea of troops in the street, as well as training teams to use unlimited power without the possibility of punishment. In a nation that has not seen armed internal warfare in a century and a half, that’s a mind boggling advantage. They will act first, and everyone else will have to
Schlumpfi
And you think the normal, intelligent, compassionate people will use violence and break the rules like those na%is do (and will do if they see they are going to lose)? I doubt it. Misinformation works, today even better than back when they grabbed power in Germany. And - for example - many jews didn’t believe it will happen and stayed. I really hope there will be a fair election, but we know what will happen if it’s fair. An€ so the right acts, swiftly. And nothing happens when they do 😕
Ikwilstroopwaffels
Look how much those protests stoppped. Maybe it's time to do more than show up once every 6 months for 2 hours, eh?
Shoutrr
you're mean, it's every 3 months. when it's not raining.
GrandmasterSpank
1 million people in the streets, all holding signs and shouting stuff. Meanwhile Trump is on his golfcourse 1000 miles away having another glamour party. Rich folk dont give a fuck. But they did give a fuck when Mario showed up and when warehouses were set on fire. The ONLY thing they care about is their own life and their dollars.
BrickSprickly
Mario & Luigi :D
SeasonedCitizen
I'll bring the torches and pitchforks.
Lycanthian
I --won't-- bring the ghost guns
IncognitoEnthusiast
Only that isn't happening, stop pushing that tired false narrative. There have been protests in every major city almost every day, and they've been getting more and more intense as time has gone on. People are winning in court, ICE getting pushed out of cities, hell some even have been shot. It takes a long time to turn a beast this big, but stop acting like nothing is being done.
GrandmasterSpank
You're still fighting by the rules with gloves on. Meanwhile your opponent has a gun, is raping children and tossed the rulebook out the window months ago. Democrats have been protesting. Shouting. Screaming. Holding up signs. Held impressive marches. Meanwhile the GOP has been pushing through rules that disenfracnhised MILLIONS, have deported and KILLED thousands. Compared to what MAGA is doing... the murder, the mayhem, the terror. You have been doing nothing. Takes your gloves off pls.
IncognitoEnthusiast
Only Im not, you're inventing an entirely incorrect scenario about what is actually happen. You are literally pushing a GOP led narrative that isn't reality. Your inability to see that isnt a defense against the truth.
GrandmasterSpank
Really. Give me an example of you not fighting by the rules?
IncognitoEnthusiast
I literally told you an ICE agent got shot in the neck, stop being obtuse.
RyanH42
That would require Americans to actually give a fuck and do anything of substance.
kyro
Rally point is your house then?
1stDrunkJoe
How about "Our House?"
cambriago13
The Second Civil War is already underway. We need to start acting like it.
MisterLemons
swofromtherock
Right in the middle of ww3, also underway.
bikergeek6249
Yep. When [REDACTED] started denying funds to blue states because of how they voted, that was the opening salvo.
psmith00
the opening salvos were the mass shooters who were virtually all right leaning targeting the diverse groups that the right consider to be their enemies.
Oatmealman1
Long past time to remove the Republican traitors by force
yeahhedugit
I thought we were fighting the (wanabe) king and his oligarchs.
cambriago13
The partisan judiciary as well.
yeahhedugit
Oh, the list goes on.
rafizard
When do we start removing right wing leaders from power by force?
Otteritup
The Confederacy never left.
BurntRamen
Gonna need people to run for local office in red districts to help slow this bullshit down! It's kind of wild how many people are out there running for office uncontested.
GeneralPrower
What, start torching the homes of rich white Southerners again?
Khanamana324
And police stations.
sturmhauke
General Sherman has entered the chat
GeneralPrower
my man just wanted to grill
kmikl
LET THE MAN COOK!
kmikl
Somehow, I think rich white southern Californians are where you should start...
Maybe make check if they're home at the time?
GrandmasterSpank
Yup. When Trump got elected again, that was the moment to do one of three things: join MAGA, buy tons and tons of guns go underground preparing for war, or leave the country. Some people who studied fascism left the country. I think if you have the chance to liquify anything of value and move to Europe/Asia, thats the way to go. 20 years from now USA is just like Russia.
SnarfyMcSnarferson
He was never elected the first or second time. The electoral collage appointed him, and then musk and company stole the swing states for him
GrandmasterSpank
Even if you dont believe in the electoral college, which is fine, then he still won his second term because he won the popular vote.
meowingintensifies
Europe and Asia *do not want* US immigrants, especially after dump's re-election. They have stricter immigration requirements than the US.
GrandmasterSpank
I know but it's still the best advice I can give. If you can, get out. 15-20 years from now it'll be like Putins Russia is now and Americas armies will be at war in all sorts of countries and kids will be send tot he front lines all over the planet. Same happened to Russia.
7hatsBollocks
Which is kind of ironic. Maybe Europe has been harsher on immigrants that the US and were just playing catch up?
meowingintensifies
There's a lot to unpack there, unfortunately. The Statue of Liberty's plaque says "Give me your poor and wretched" and was a tacit admission that greatness was measured in grit and determination to survive. The US once prided itself on mass immigration, melting pots, and diversity. "Europe doesn't want you? Fuck them, we made our own Europe with blackjack and hookers." US gets outrage because the US made immigration part of their brand/identity, and now that's changing. Who is the US now?
7hatsBollocks
A nakedly corrupt corporation with no real laws that rules over decent, lazy, or corrupt scum people.
SerialChickenLover
Moving to Europe only buys you a few more years of safety. This will inevitably explode across the world like WWII did. I think especially if you’re very low on the list of people that MAGA would send to death camps (white people), you have a duty to stand and fight for this country.
TheUnstoppableWampas
Fuck this country and fuck you for saying that last line.
SerialChickenLover
What do you think happens to the rest of the world if we don’t fight tooth and nail against the Christofascists for the entire United States nuclear arsenal?
Jewdakris
What if we think this country should burn to the ground because it was founded by greedy rich piece of shit white people and this is always been this country. This isn't a mask off situation they have always felt this way about the people in this country. You weren't going to fix this through government intervention you are only going to fix this by removing the pieces off the chessboard that don't deserve to be there and we know who those pieces are, they gather more wealth every day.
hyperchondriac
Who do you think will take this country if the current power structure falls?
Jewdakris
You think it can be worse than this cause I don't
SerialChickenLover
What do you think happens to the rest of the world if we don’t fight tooth and nail against the Christofascists for the entire United States nuclear arsenal?
TheUnstoppableWampas
Don't care, fuck you again, I don't owe this country jack shit, fuck you one more time for good measure.