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DrKonrad
See how the US has greater numbers! Everywhere! Ha, take that libruls!
TooMehToCare
Posts like these remind me that American liberals are as politically myopic and illiterate as American conservatives...
CrisprCAS
Saying things like that is going to cause a row
Mockingbirb
Ha! But way more school shootings in the US - take that, Norway!! https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1emJjemp0NnpyNWZnY3B6NTNybnhtMjkxdjBiZmVkZjZraDkybG8yNyZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/rClm6vkOlS7NC/200w.webp
YesThisIsTero
Compare the prisons please
qPRdxH4UXm36HS9rJgLA
The prisons in Norway are nicer than my last 2 apartments.
SwissScars
lettuce knot 4get
Schaade
Does that 80% in Norway include Cooperative housing?
trippingthelightfantastic
madmax17
Monkeys arguing 🤣
Jinxer13
Unironically US lefties that keep juxtaposing Norway with capitalism as if they are mutually exclusive and mixing social democracies with democratic socialism are also mocked by this. Norway is capitalist. I don't know why Americans keep pushing the idea that socialism is when capitalism but with Nordic model. Can you please for the love of god educate yourselves on economic and political systems. Kindly thank you - a European loving social democracies
torokunai
population of 5M been there since the dawn of time helps. As does a complete fuckton of fossil fuel wealth intelligently managed and sequestered to avoid "Dutch Disease".
smhippy
Norway is the lowkey Saudia Arabia of Europe, one year they choose to produce less oil as it might damage their economy. But, them being a social democracy also helps.
captainnewbi
Bad economic growth is because of the Republicans, not capitalism
EroticZombiePants
We don't have anywhere near 65% of the population truly owning homes. A bunch of Americans are paying off homes and can be foreclosed on if they have any sort of issues making those payments. That's more like "owning" something ... for now.
Bludabeagle
icanc4
Norway has the largest per capita sovereign wealth fund, from their oil and gas wealth. Not that other countries couldn't have amassed something similar with their own natural resource extraction (or what the hell, unnatural resources - it's not the source, it's how you manage it), but I feel that's an important fact to consider in this comparison.
katzohki
Yeah, but at least we use the correct symbol for decimals /s
AWarningToOthers
Procrastinator57
No, they are like "But we have the strongest army in the world!"
PoliticalWanderer
Decoyape11
These numbers are wrong. They’re actually worse.
jakeoflake
I love all these things and am for a social democracy, But to play devils advocate Norway has nationalized natural gas that pays for some of this
ignoremejustlurkingaround
"some". Norway is pretty much the worst example to take here. why not take quatar or united arab emirates ....
TheZommie
at least we are beating the rest of the world at 'Violent gun crimes'
Type17
#(Lower numbers are better)
mojawa
I know its along those lines but leading in School Shootings by like A LOT.
ZackWester
Its worse. The us leads whit School shooting (guns) the other nation usally have bombs and knives and that kind of stuff but even then. just School (attacks) the US is nr 1 by a huge margain. Like when the US have 1 shooting per day whit what 10+ dead, the second that I forgot who it was was like knife(majority but everything else included) 1 attack per every 90 day and that had 0.1 dead per attack.
QuartzPoker
Not really. We're beating the so-called first world, but there are countries with even more armed crimes per capita than us. Most of them are described as being in some form of unrest, though
awkungen42
Number one! Number one! Aww, even jokes can't fill the sad.
Fanner50
With veterans being more than 4x as likely to commit mass shootings than non-vets. Another benefit of well funded military.
https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/public-mass-shootings-database-amasses-details-half-century-us-mass-shootings
CerisCinderwolf
A quick search shows that Venezuela, El Salvador, Haiti Colombia and eight other countries all have higher rates (based on 2023 stats).
Y'all can't even win at the shittiest crime. :p
terajack2048
We always have obesity to fall back on, we are still winning there right?
Aranon1183
Specifically in the "dead school children" subset.
nullbr
You can even create subcategories on that topic, like "school shootings", and still dominate uncontested
madmax17
Charlie Kirk agrees.
Picklediddly
“ Ahgghhhhhjhrgggg”
CK
mojawa
Did it blow his mind?
madmax17
Yeah.. or his neck.
Picklediddly
Just below…
Jmac28211
11k for college? Impossible. That’s way too low.
wadatahmydamie
This doesn’t factor in student loan interest
Jmac28211
I understand, but 11k for college sounds more like a yearly rate at most places. The college I graduated from ranks extremely highly in “tuition vs quality of education” metrics. It’s $7.6k in state and $26k for out of state.
Jmac28211
It’s not letting me edit. I missed the part on the graphic where the $11k was the annual rate.
Gibleteousjack
The college I graduated from in 2010 would be around 180,000 now for a 4 year degree. I left with like 20k in debt it's insane now. I would probably end up going into a trade instead if I was doing it today.
usernametakenisthestoryofmylife
Plus, Norway just beat Brazil in the World Cup, so there's that.
Imademyselfsquirtle
Brazil players on PC are all cheaters. Surprised Brazil soccer didn't try to cheat too.
2015Chefj
Fantastic match!
cenfou2tout
Yeah but US made a red card disappear for their top player...
SalaSSin
I for one congratulate USA for having won 6 hours from now against my country, Belgium, with 47 - 0 /sarcasm
SwissScars
..and Trump will sell you more cards if you have the need.
WhyDontYouMakeMe
We made world cup history, it's such an honor to be in the books for naked corruption
tzahtman
That is the power that comes from being ruled by a FIFA Peace Prize recipient.
Sebastopol140
Hmmm
maskedrabbit
truemdgeist1337
Hmmmm
sanri0
Hmmmm
Lowland
But he, at least you guys have Donald Trump
Ooftameg
Every time I see this all I can think of is that people would revolt at the higher taxes that they'd have to pay. It doesn't matter that their quality of life would be better, that they end up paying nothing for medical care (if it's employer provided the company is paying more for it than you in most cases) and end up with more wealth. Because they've swallowed the "TAXES ALWAYS BAD!" lie.
BeardicPerformance
It does need to be a gradual change. You can’t just switch overnight.
Ooftameg
Need to add - yes we need to tax the rich and corporations far more. Meanwhile middle class Norwegians also pay more in taxes than we do. They still get far more bang for their buck overall.
nothingunused
Plus, crack down on grifters in government. It's tough to stomach paying more taxes that congresspeople would immediately spend on self-beneficial things or useless wars.
pgdave
Taxing corporations doesn't really work the way you think it will - they're either going to make a profit or close down shop, so the taxes still have to get passed to the end user somehow. We should reduce corporate taxes and double (or more) the rate for capital gains taxes instead.
BeardicPerformance
Corporations can get taxed a hell of a lot more than they are now and still make a very nice profit. Corporations aren’t going to just shut down and make no money at all if they can keep making slightly less money than before. The law just needs to account for whatever underhanded tricks they’ll try to pull to get out of paying their fair share; things like exit taxes, banning stock buybacks, limiting executive compensation, and taxing loans backed by stocks as income.
pgdave
No, but they absolutely do just pass on all their income taxes to consumers. They should still pay other taxes - property taxes, usage taxes, etc. but moving their income taxes to instead be on individual income taxes and capital gains is much more effective overall. For capital gains, if we re-basis publicly traded securities annually it gets rid of 99% of the problem. Combine that with much higher capital gains taxes and we'd have a better functioning society and economy for the 99%.
TheDefective
Efreeti
Wtf the edited-in booba
delpharseven
This is the first time I have seen that text outlining style and the last time I want to see that text outlining style.
usingYourMomAsAHat
I didnt even notice until this comment. Lmao fucking yuck
MostlyAngryButNiceAboutIt
It looks like light blue dress is different. Also the knickers in the red dress are ENHANCED.
Hexidimentional
jesus christ americans pay 15,000$ in health insurance per year? i dont even pay that much in taxes in canada.
McMasterx
Many Americans think the entire lower half of the graph is necessary to run a country. Facts can't persuade them, Republicans spent the last 150 years conditioning the perfect population to vote in Fascism.
torokunai
without ACA price supports I'd pay ~$12,000/yr with $6000 out of pocket before coverage.
themuffulettaisalsoaverygoodsandwich
With our family of four, our monthly premium was $1800. Each person had a $7000 deductible, and an out of pocket limit of around $10000. Also, there was no coverage for out of network care. We were keenly aware of the cost because we were self-employed and paid our own way. Most Americans have no idea what they're paying because they think it's something they get for free from their employers. In fact, it's a part of their compensation that they're never allowed to touch or know about.
DrivingTheBus
I pay about $3500 a year for insurance through my employer (in healthcare) for just myself but it covers nothing until I have also paid $4800 out of pocket, then it still doesn't cover 100% of much.
Osiricus
The best part is that your claim is as likely to be denied as it is to get paid. So AI software just says "Nope, you don't need that", then you die in debt.
SeenItDoneIt
With a family of 4, I paid $36k/year.
khaoselement
Look I'm not going to defend our shithole system, and I'm not going to claim the number has no basis, but I would like to see a source for it. I don't personally know anybody who pays anywhere near that much.
KingHippie
I pay a LOT more than that in taxes in Canada, but thats okay - I dont even blink. Its worth it for a system that pays for education, health care and infrastucture, has campaign finance controls, an independant supreme court and non partisan electoral districting (mostly - fuck the UCP). It would be even better if we had or shit as together as Norway.
Zamerine
That's funny how the comment literally just above you when I read this thread says that their taxes are lower than in the US :D /gallery/whjF9h8/comment/2505478263
ImgursLibertarian
For family coverage I pay $11,400 in premiums, then $4,000 maximum out of pocket for any one individual (last 3 years me, by the end of January because of cancer), and $8,000 maximum out of pocket for the whole family (my $4K + all theirs hasn't yet hit the $8K). So we pay around $16-17K/yr, yeah.
...But my cancer has cost my insurance around half a million so far. They've not once had to pre-approve what dr. I go to, nor denied anything my Dr.s have recommended between chemo, surgery, etc..
imgurmage
I pay less, but I'm fairly healthy and don't visit the doctor unless I'm basically dying.
merxman
As someone working freelance these days and not making very much, I have Obamacare and subsidies, I still pay about $4,500/year just for me.
pgdave
Most people pay less than $15,000 a year, the average individual insurance is ~8-9k a year, the average 4 person family insurance is ~26k a year, or about the same cost per person.
pgdave
(and, to be clear, the bulk of that is paid for by employers, so while it's absolutely costing that much people aren't "paying" that much directly)
zFUBARz
I mean it's money you aren't getting into your pocket though. Or via other compensation not tied to insurance. Not to mention the freedom of your health and possibly life not being tied to your job.
Oogibah
And to be clear most of those also have $5000 deductibles attached that you have to pay before they fully or mostly cover anything
pgdave
A lot of stuff is covered before the deductible is met, but yeah - anything significant is going to be expensive, but most people don't experience significant expenses on an annual basis (some people do, obviously). I don't want to come across like I'm defending the US system, though - it's a mess, and it's bad, we just don't need to exaggerate how bad it is to make a point. Its badness stands on its own without any number massaging.
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Hexidimentional
all for brian thompson to deny you when it matters most
Eiladar
Yes. In some cases it's subsidized by your employer; but that just means it's taken out of your paycheck.
fenixdown22
That's just on average. A lot of people pay much, much more.
LordHosk
When we moved to Canada we said to ourselves "well our taxes will be higher, but that will be offset by the fact that we won't have to pay for health insurance, so our take home will be about the same"
We don't pay health insurance now... and our taxes are lower.
NO ONE BELIEVES US! our provincial taxes are about 1% higher than our state taxes were, but our federal is 3% lower. We have showed both of our parents and my wife's brother (an accountant) our tax returns and still NO ONE BELIEVES US
LordHosk
We make roughly $100,000/year (rounded for simplicity) we paid 23,200 in total taxes and pension in Canada.
In the Michigan we made ~$90,000/year and paid 23,000 in taxes and fica
themuffulettaisalsoaverygoodsandwich
We moved to the Netherlands. Insurance premiums here are around 30% of what they were in the States, but our deductible here is 386 EUR compared with 7000 USD in the States. Never mind out of pocket or out of network costs. Couple that with no cars, car insurance, or gas, and I think our cost of living will actually be lower here.
necessity
Americans already pay more for healthcare than most socialized countries. For those countries looking to adopt our private healthcare system (u.k.), your politicians are lying to you about how well it works because it benefits their donors, not their constituents. Privatized prisons, healthcare, policing, and education will only ever make your communities worse.
InnerBushman
Dear citizen, Omni Consumer Products has everything you need! Healthcare! Police force! Schools! Grocery stores! Penitentiary facilities! "We've Got The Future Under Control!"
breadedfishstrip
To emphasize: Americans pay more privately AND in tax costs for the same or worse healthcare outcomes.
torokunai
the American health system is tops if you pay cash. It's like a long airplane flight. First class is great, business class is OK, economy is ... economy, and half the country can't afford/access even that.
redtruck
All of that is true. They believe everything is commodity, and should be for sale. They don't care about you, or your communities.
Vallete
Bit of back of the napkin math, for my family of 4 I pay over 11,000 a year, if you include the money my employer pays for my medical benefits it's over 36,000$ a yr
That is only because one of my sons is disabled and gets ALTCS, otherwise his medication and the out of pocket and deductibles on his once-a-year week long hospital stays would have bankrupted us.
If we took that money and put it in a national healthcare system it would go a lot further.
Badprenup
Yeah I have much cheaper insurance costs (through ACA marketplace, not eligible for discounts) at $4800 per year, much cheaper than most people's. By my math, increasing my taxes to fund a national healthcare system would still save me money over what I pay now.
It would be like... $3k more in taxes but I would save $1800 in premiums.
hogeyegrex
Not to mention the savings due to the negotiation power inherent in single payer. Drug prices would be much more reasonable. No more $20 Tylenol. Etc.
So, even on top of saving the 20% off the top the insurance companies take, being able to contain the costs of service to a reasonable level will make that money go even further.
EmanNiemThcin
You put capitalism and social democracy next to each other in this comparioson as if they were opposed. They are not. Social democracy only works within a capitalist system. And no, there is no discussion to be had here, this is a fact. That has been the one big point of argument between social democrats and democatic socialists for more than a hundred years: Luxemburg vs. Bernstein etc.
TooMehToCare
This.
marconipenguino
By the Heritage Foundation’s own measure, Norway is 8th in the world in economic freedom and the US is 22nd.
It’s easier to be a capitalist in Norway than in the US.
zHurk777
So, what's your point. Norway has a Social Democratic Capitalist system which is leaps and bounds better than what we have in the US.
EmanNiemThcin
That it's not the same category and creates a false dichotomy by implication. It's like saying "This one is a car but the other one is a red car". Better choices: "The anglo-saxon model" "anglo-capitalism" or just plain old "neo-liberalism".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_capitalism#In_Europe
VeryNegative
They are not put in comparison but to discribe the system each country is using... Or are we comparing the flags also?
EmanNiemThcin
Yes, go compare the flags, at least then you won't bother anyone else with your nonsense.
TooMehToCare
They are clearly named as a comparison.
VeryNegative
What do you mean? Those are even outside of the table
TooMehToCare
I can't tell if you are intransigent or stupid...
VeryNegative
Your comment tells more about you than me
Jinxer13
Does Norway not operate within capitalism?
VeryNegative
It does
Jinxer13
So what reason does it serve to say capitalism over US and not over Norway.
VeryNegative
US is more pure capitalist country, Norway is more like a socialist democracy as it says: higher taxes, more regulated, higher citizen benefits, free education and healthcare and so on...
FelonyRaptor
It absolutely does. It's just regulated, taxed and not totally in the hands of like 15 people.