Don't worry, most of them will still have income rolling in from multiple sources that are not on the books. What should happen is they lose money every day the government is shut down and never get it back... it should be a large and painful sum, so that even their bribe monies are affected. This is the problem with "modern" politics... there are no personal consequences for anything these people do. Power without consequences is the reason we are experiencing this dumpster fire of a timeline.
All assets of elected officials should be managed by a designated professional. They can still spend their money as they wish, but investments and business decisions are held in trust.
Stop complaining when they do the right thing? This is obviously not a problem they're all rich etc but if when they do the right thing you're still gonna be pissy about it why don't they just vote themselves a raise during government shutdowns?
One more way to financially block poor people from participating in government, because a senator may have to go for months without pay. Wealthy Only Need Apply.
There's a list of the 20 or 30 most commonly demanded for actions from americans across the country. The govt shutdowns and politicians not getting paid was like number 3 on the list right after taxing the rich and executing trump.
This is an excellent way to attack people like AOC, who is trying to do the right thing. If you support this action, then you do not want AOC or others who are trying not to be bribed to be unable to stay in office. If you support this, then you want to be ruled by the wealthy and the corrupt. You want oligarchs to be unhindered in their desires. To support this is to deny Democracy.
AOC was just an example of who could be hurt. Find your favorite Senator who actually needs his paycheck, and this will harm them. Or any future Senator who wants to run but doesn't have the wealth necessary to maintain multiple homes in some of the most expensive areas in the country.
Honestly, I don't like the line of thought that basically goes "look what they get paid, when the rest of us are struggling." I get it, I really do, but there's a reason. If their pay is sufficient, there can be no excuse for corruption, ostensibly. You can treat it like a much harsher crime, which we should, and on some level, used to. That's what leads to performative bullshit like this. Don't be performative; just fix it.
Contractors' money is already guaranteed and not directly impacted by the shutdown. The money is "in a piggy bank", which they are given after providing the contracted good or service. It is possible that, during the shutdown, the service may be paused (depending on the service). Others continue despite the shutdown.
No. You lose that pay. We get paid for work, unless it's a vacation, approved of course. Also, they should only make what the lowest wage in their state is. Incentive.
I always thought they should put their pay in escrow and provide what they need to do their job directly. House, food, transportation, clothes, etc... Then, when they leave office, a vote of their constituents is held and their approval rating amongst voters determines the percentage of their back pay they get. The rest goes to education.
Some of them aren't rich. Chris Murphy joined 12 years ago with like $80k of student loans from UConn law. I get he's the exception, not the norm, but I doubt he's beating his salary in equity gains.
The latter just says you only want rich people to be able to afford to hold elected office.
For the former: I'd set elected officials wages as a fixed multiple of the minimum wage (different multiples for different positions). Require a supermajority to raise the multiplier, and just a majority to raise the minimum wage.
Or we could just automatically add an automatic Cost Of Living Adjustment to the minimum wage.
You've got it backwards. If the job only pays the minimum the only people who can afford to do it are the already rich and those who are willing to pad their pockets with kickbacks.
absolutely, I fucking hate that goddamn morgan freeman quote that gets posted here every few weeks... (if you, or anybody, don't know the one I'm speaking of and are curious, I can search my comment history and link it)
Grimlinnan
Then it is meamingless and they are just stealing the money for not working.
Grimlinnan
That is a vacation with pay assholes.
CallMeMcGyver
Don't worry, most of them will still have income rolling in from multiple sources that are not on the books. What should happen is they lose money every day the government is shut down and never get it back... it should be a large and painful sum, so that even their bribe monies are affected. This is the problem with "modern" politics... there are no personal consequences for anything these people do. Power without consequences is the reason we are experiencing this dumpster fire of a timeline.
johndoejersey05
"Lets ensure only rich people can afford to hold these offices!"
HolyFreakingToast
STOP TRADING ON INSIDER INFORMATION - HOW ABOUT THAT?
blacksheep214
All assets of elected officials should be managed by a designated professional. They can still spend their money as they wish, but investments and business decisions are held in trust.
Jonson71
Stop complaining when they do the right thing? This is obviously not a problem they're all rich etc but if when they do the right thing you're still gonna be pissy about it why don't they just vote themselves a raise during government shutdowns?
pretzeldialectic
One more way to financially block poor people from participating in government, because a senator may have to go for months without pay. Wealthy Only Need Apply.
QuitLookinAtMineAim
If you look up nothing burger this is the definition
thelastboomer
Ah yes, let’s magnify the effect of donations (a.k.a. bribes) by not paying salaries.
lordofthegoats
from tax payer or the assorted lobbyist ?
magicrhombus
Big text: "we did a selfless thing!" Small text: "except actually we didn't."
Oblok
This is all about attacking/manipulating the low-income senators. They want it to be a rich person's club only.
GreenMnM
There's a list of the 20 or 30 most commonly demanded for actions from americans across the country. The govt shutdowns and politicians not getting paid was like number 3 on the list right after taxing the rich and executing trump.
Imadethisaccounttopost
I hate how Congress gets to decide their own payraise and rates..
freshthrowaway1138
This is an excellent way to attack people like AOC, who is trying to do the right thing. If you support this action, then you do not want AOC or others who are trying not to be bribed to be unable to stay in office. If you support this, then you want to be ruled by the wealthy and the corrupt. You want oligarchs to be unhindered in their desires. To support this is to deny Democracy.
FlyByGRider
It's only for the Senate
freshthrowaway1138
AOC was just an example of who could be hurt. Find your favorite Senator who actually needs his paycheck, and this will harm them. Or any future Senator who wants to run but doesn't have the wealth necessary to maintain multiple homes in some of the most expensive areas in the country.
codenameRadical
Honestly, I don't like the line of thought that basically goes "look what they get paid, when the rest of us are struggling." I get it, I really do, but there's a reason. If their pay is sufficient, there can be no excuse for corruption, ostensibly. You can treat it like a much harsher crime, which we should, and on some level, used to. That's what leads to performative bullshit like this. Don't be performative; just fix it.
fformulaa
Pretty sure all of em can get by for a few weeks or months, however long a shutdown is. Dont government employees get backpay after a shutdown?
snarkybitch
Had to duck it. Federal workers do. Contractors do not get back pay.
CrimsonRhallic
Contractors' money is already guaranteed and not directly impacted by the shutdown. The money is "in a piggy bank", which they are given after providing the contracted good or service.
It is possible that, during the shutdown, the service may be paused (depending on the service). Others continue despite the shutdown.
snarkybitch
Ah that makes sense. Thanks I didnt dive that deep
backrideup9
Either way, "pay" is almost certainly separate from their expense accounts, so the whole thing doesn't mean shit.
McFrazzlestache
No. You lose that pay. We get paid for work, unless it's a vacation, approved of course. Also, they should only make what the lowest wage in their state is. Incentive.
TheFuckfaceWhisperer
I always thought they should put their pay in escrow and provide what they need to do their job directly. House, food, transportation, clothes, etc... Then, when they leave office, a vote of their constituents is held and their approval rating amongst voters determines the percentage of their back pay they get. The rest goes to education.
DanForArkansas
I propose a bill to cap a US senators salary, based on the average income of their constituents.
See how well they listen then!
But again, they are rich and don’t give a damn about a $174,000/year salary. They make more than that in annual equity gains. Just virtue signaling.
hufflesnuff
Some of them aren't rich. Chris Murphy joined 12 years ago with like $80k of student loans from UConn law. I get he's the exception, not the norm, but I doubt he's beating his salary in equity gains.
eion85
The latter just says you only want rich people to be able to afford to hold elected office.
For the former: I'd set elected officials wages as a fixed multiple of the minimum wage (different multiples for different positions). Require a supermajority to raise the multiplier, and just a majority to raise the minimum wage.
Or we could just automatically add an automatic Cost Of Living Adjustment to the minimum wage.
Luffian
You've got it backwards. If the job only pays the minimum the only people who can afford to do it are the already rich and those who are willing to pad their pockets with kickbacks.
itsallaboutthecones
Most of them (not all) are going to do it no matter how much it pays.
JackingMeHoff
They won't vote Aye to withhold their money. The Senate should not vote on how they get paid or the House. Wages earned should be left up to voters.
taez555
The only ones who need the salary are the honest ones.
CelestialSea
All three of them!
ipointoutnahtzeesbyreplyingtothem
Wow we're gonna save so much money on salaries!
DevilsAdvocat
absolutely, I fucking hate that goddamn morgan freeman quote that gets posted here every few weeks... (if you, or anybody, don't know the one I'm speaking of and are curious, I can search my comment history and link it)
LuminoZero
I'm REALLY glad this is the top comment. So many people fall for this bullshit because they don't think.