But, you see, that's not good for the bottom-line of for-profit prisons. So whenever he's out, you can bet there will be a hard push to get these numbers back up. For the money.
And here in Sweden our entire right-wing bloc wants to charge 13-year-olds as adults, expand the police force and extend prison sentences while cutting funding to arts and culture; despite countless studies showing that that's ineffective, and even detrimental. Fuck this timeline.
The GOP knows this. That's why they fight against it so hard. If people aren't desperate enough to resort to crime, the for profit prisons have no slave labor.
It turns out, people are less likely to do crimes when their needs are met, and meeting those needs is a better solution to crime than more cops or harsher sentencing. Socialism as a system that focuses on helping HUMANS rather than capitalists and corporations, kinda fucking rules, actually.
Dollar for dollar, investing in public welfare prevents more crime than cops ever do (not that cops prevent crime in the first place, they're a reactive force with zero obligation to protect people anyway)
It's almost like there's a correlation between public service/programs and crime. *gasp* who knew giving a shit about others would amount to a stronger society.
The pendulum swings between liberals and conservatives because liberals promise nothing and deliver even less. But effective social programs stay popular. That's kinda why presidential term limits were introduced in the US. FDR was too popular after implementing the New Deal, so the liberals and conservatives in congress got scared when he kept getting elected. He wasn't even a socialist, just a solid socdem who was good at economic policy.
In NYC? Unlikely. Not impossible, but extremely unlikely. In NY we HATE our politicians as a rule, but Mamdani has more approval than I've seen in the last 40 years. It's frightening.
I didn't think NY was CAPABLE of liking an elected official.
When you invest in people community becomes better. Here’s an example of how investing in education and removing the costs of college resulted in a change of a community that was poor and had a high crime rate. One man decided to cover the costs of education for this community and the crime rate dropped about 50% and the number that went to college jumped from 25% to 100%
Hate to be a wet blanket, but the median rent in New York is roughly $4000. Don’t get me wrong. I love what the mayor is doing, but I could never afford to live there sheesh.
Yes all very large cities attract the very wealthy because they offer everything. This leads to demand for and development of more expensive housing, at the opportunity cost of building affordable. Middle income earners rarely move TO NYC. They move out. Generational assets held by this demographic represent greater value if sold, allowing relocation to cheaper regions. That being said, while cost of living is high, as the rich crowd out the less rich, wages are higher there as well.
His changes to NYC’s snow removal is a good example of Momdani’s approach. He canceled 10’s of millions in contracts with removal companies. He then paid locals $30 an hour to do the work.
It was AOC who said 'defund the police' looks like a suburb... where the state invests in community centers, parks, public pools, after school sports and art programs.
Attacking poverty is far more effective than adding more cops
For profit prisons are a crime against humanity and all owners and employees are criminals who should be sentenced to serve in their prisons. Any state that uses them is pure evil and unworthy of respect.
The addition of minimally educated, minimally trained, highly bigoted, and heavily armed psychopaths has never been , nor will ever be the way to fix anything
It's not just cities. Most of those trees are grown by homeowners. Poor neighborhoods everyone rents. Renters, justifiably, aren't interesting in spending their time and money investing in their landlords property and landlords by and large aren't interested in investing in their property either.
Although I've noticed with everyone putting up solar now a lot of those trees are coming down. Black panels on the roof might be the new mark of affluent burbs.
Homeownership restricts social mobility though. Look at Eastern European countries where it's still stifling urbanization and thus indirectly keeps people uneducated.
Homes should be nationalized. Maintained and rented out by a nonprofit government agency, awarded to candidates based on a complex socioeconomical score.
I think there's an economic vs social tradeoff with government renting/housing assignment. If people aren't secure in their ability to live in a home long term it hurts their ability to form strong community with others around them who also live in that area long term.
Of course there's middle grounds between private ownership and the state gets to decide you're not economically valuable enough and your home isn't yours anymore.
The purpose of home ownership is to give people a stake in their communities.... denying that and making everyone transient is not good for a stable society.
It's shared values and goals that make a society stable. Sharing requires mobility, meeting new people and new locations.
Yoz're also implying that renters can't have a stake - that they ar second-class members of their communities (if at all). That's just rude. Rosa Parks was a renter. Pal Erdos never owned a home.
Besides, I never said that nobody would be allowed to remain for longer durations. That'd depend on the overall objective situation - unbiased experts could assess that well.
Home equity is the breeding ground of generational privilege and the hoarding of wealth. Nationalizing all homes will solve this and the scarcity of housing in one. Let experts decide.
You're assuming that people in charge actually want to govern and solve problems. *Most* do not, they just want to take bribes and make connections and generally live a cushy life at the expense of others.
No we are not assuming that. We are assuming a solution exist (it does) and look for ways to apply ot to solve the problem. You on the other hand want to remain as is.
He's interested in solving problems instead of lining his pockets and these problems are solved upstream. Adding cops and building prisons doesn't reduce crime. Paying people a living wage, providing accessible health care and mental health resources, having accessible affordable food, etc DO reduce crime because preventing the problem is more effective than trying to fix it after it happens.
The threat of punishment (ie cops, jail, fines, ect) is only good until the situation when complying is worse then the threatened punishment. Dying of starvation or lack of meds or just because you looked at an officer wrong and an acorn fell quickly makes the threat worthless
People are just gonna say you can't do this because the USA is much too large or too different or another bullshit reason, like they do when you ask how European countries manage to provide more security for their people without being police states.
The US would have a problem of scale that European countries do not face. The US is vastly more populated and that population is spread out over a wide geographic area that make some policies difficult to enact in similar ways to European countries. This isn't an insurmountable problem, but it does add complications you can't just ignore.
This is more of a "in general" thing. The United States is geographically large and diverse, things that work in one part of the country, might not work in another. For example, the needs of an unhoused person in NYC are very different from one in Austin or the ability to access fresh foods is going to be different in center city Philadelphia when compared to northern Alaska. This isn't saying that we can't (or shouldn't) help the homeless or provide fresh foods, just that the geography...
Greetings from the Nordics! We've been doing this for 80 years now, and it's working extremely well! The Nordic nations consistently place near the top in most quality of life surveys, and we're kinda looking at you over the pond and going "what are they even doing over there?"
We've noticed. You've all been cheating off of our homework the entire time...
Let's see, how did the Americans solve x? And it didn't work at all? Blew up right in their stupid faces and they keep doing it? Let's try doing the opposite... SUCCESS!
;) You're welcome, for us being the perfect example of what not to do.
The president is the distraction. It's the Heritage Foundation zealots and technofascist weirdos who are doing the destroying. Orange 47 is just along for the ride so he can fill his pockets and avoid prison. You don't kill a rattlesnake by focusing on the part that makes all the noise.
Yep. As stupid and goofy as the name sounds, they literally call their plan "Dark Enlightenment" / "NRx". It sounds like some illuminati bullshit but the dudes pulling the strings on this have publicly talked about it in broadcast interviews. Curtis Yarvin is a name everyone should know but no one has heard
Except the right-wing bloc here in Sweden is trying their best to dismantle that with propositions of jailing children, expanding the police and a continual process of making punishments harsher while at the same time reducing funding to art, culture, schools and healthcare, completely ignoring all the studies showing that it's a VERY BAD thing to do.
Oh god, it's so wild. I follow a few Nordic Instagram pages because I absolutely love the Landscapes, and every comment section has those wannabe "Viking Supremacists" commenting great replacement conspiracy shit. It's so fucked up.
👋 from Denmark, where the last 30 years have seen a shift from focus on proven, working democratic socialism to focus on islamophobia, libertarianism, tax cuts, and less funding for art, schools and healthcare. Imagine how much better, richer, integrated, we could have made our societies over the last generation if we had listened to the actual and complex solutions presented in those studies.
Yeah the right wing is pushing forward with a general anti-foreigner sentiment in Norway as well, with the party fronting that rhetoric "conveniently" arriving at exactly the same "simple" solution to every problem they push: closing down services and cutting taxes for the rich. They did lose the last election so thank fuck for that, hopefully people wisen up even further by the next one.
ParrotHat
But Caaaaaarrrrrrrllll that's communism! /s because Mr Mars is still here for some fucking reason
FreePalestineAndTheWorldFromIsrael
"bUt wHo'S gOnNa pAy fOr iT???" Socialism fucking pays for itself. Hope Mamdani influences other leaders to be more like him.
itsthevoiceman
But, you see, that's not good for the bottom-line of for-profit prisons. So whenever he's out, you can bet there will be a hard push to get these numbers back up. For the money.
GentlemanScientist
And here in Sweden our entire right-wing bloc wants to charge 13-year-olds as adults, expand the police force and extend prison sentences while cutting funding to arts and culture; despite countless studies showing that that's ineffective, and even detrimental. Fuck this timeline.
AVaguelyFamiliarUsername
What fox will make of this: "Socialist Commie mayor cancelled 5000 promised jobs at the police force and wastes money lazy low income households."
PirateArrrgument
The GOP knows this. That's why they fight against it so hard. If people aren't desperate enough to resort to crime, the for profit prisons have no slave labor.
SquirrelWithATophat
Gee. It's almost as if eliminating some of the things that lead to crime causes crime rates to decrease. /s
amundost
Not /s ... it seems like it does
blahblahbushes
"Public safety free childcare" seems like it needs a comma in there somewhere.
Decitron
It turns out, people are less likely to do crimes when their needs are met, and meeting those needs is a better solution to crime than more cops or harsher sentencing. Socialism as a system that focuses on helping HUMANS rather than capitalists and corporations, kinda fucking rules, actually.
EverNotRelevant
Dollar for dollar, investing in public welfare prevents more crime than cops ever do (not that cops prevent crime in the first place, they're a reactive force with zero obligation to protect people anyway)
nikinnorway12
love Mamdani, but i mean, 6 months is still pretty short for that kinda change. Might be a touch of misinterpreted correlation/causation there.
SavageDrums
Next step : fire 5000 cops and watch crime fall even further!
poderous
Hell yeah, brother
IHateTransphobes
It's almost like reducing poverty lowers crime, or something.
JugsMugsLadybugs
It's almost like there's a correlation between public service/programs and crime. *gasp* who knew giving a shit about others would amount to a stronger society.
MiserCrass
Even without being a statistics expert, that is really fucking impressive.
RElGNMAN
The best part is that money boosts the local economy.
Munchman347
Rep-Con Fascists, 'But, where's the profit in that?'... /s?
whatdidyoureallyexpect
How awful will it be when th idiot conservative pendulum swings back.
18booma
The pendulum swings between liberals and conservatives because liberals promise nothing and deliver even less. But effective social programs stay popular. That's kinda why presidential term limits were introduced in the US. FDR was too popular after implementing the New Deal, so the liberals and conservatives in congress got scared when he kept getting elected. He wasn't even a socialist, just a solid socdem who was good at economic policy.
LuminoZero
In NYC? Unlikely. Not impossible, but extremely unlikely. In NY we HATE our politicians as a rule, but Mamdani has more approval than I've seen in the last 40 years. It's frightening.
I didn't think NY was CAPABLE of liking an elected official.
whatdidyoureallyexpect
I suppose is should amend that to, “how awful COULD it be…. “
SwissScars
Esq. in England means that your father was Knighted.
verityauger
Also known as common sense in most other countries.
SloppyPotter
how unamerican
Jarjarthejedi
How are companies gonna get their ̶s̶l̶a̶v̶e̶ free prisoner labor now!? It's like he doesn't even care about the important stuff! /s
NothingPrince
Slaves is correct. Most countries train and try and educate their prisoners
Frencheeseater
This is it, take action everyone, socialism WORKS !
ForPriestSake
When you invest in people community becomes better. Here’s an example of how investing in education and removing the costs of college resulted in a change of a community that was poor and had a high crime rate. One man decided to cover the costs of education for this community and the crime rate dropped about 50% and the number that went to college jumped from 25% to 100%
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl05RFFqxus&ra=m
rosshell2718
Hate to be a wet blanket, but the median rent in New York is roughly $4000. Don’t get me wrong. I love what the mayor is doing, but I could never afford to live there sheesh.
poderous
Yes all very large cities attract the very wealthy because they offer everything. This leads to demand for and development of more expensive housing, at the opportunity cost of building affordable. Middle income earners rarely move TO NYC. They move out. Generational assets held by this demographic represent greater value if sold, allowing relocation to cheaper regions. That being said, while cost of living is high, as the rich crowd out the less rich, wages are higher there as well.
icantbelieveistillhavetoprotestthiscrap
People are more invested in supporting your system when you give them something to lose.
BosunMark
azgrak1
His changes to NYC’s snow removal is a good example of Momdani’s approach. He canceled 10’s of millions in contracts with removal companies. He then paid locals $30 an hour to do the work.
FellaWithUmbrella
AyatollahBahloni
... but I'm glad you did.
DragonThunderUndertaking
ralphie84
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freezingpilot
Waiting for this payoff irl.
Zeterai
Man, Babylon 5 remains relevant today in a lot of ways I really wish it didn't.
bippityboppitybuttsex
It was AOC who said 'defund the police' looks like a suburb... where the state invests in community centers, parks, public pools, after school sports and art programs.
Attacking poverty is far more effective than adding more cops
Beefkins
Attacking poverty is antithetical to for-profit prisons for cheap/free labor, though. I suspect that's one reason why it's not common.
bippityboppitybuttsex
For profit prisons are a crime against humanity and all owners and employees are criminals who should be sentenced to serve in their prisons. Any state that uses them is pure evil and unworthy of respect.
GhengisDon
Only if you're trying to make people's lives better.
ArcherPointingFromTheComments
The addition of minimally educated, minimally trained, highly bigoted, and heavily armed psychopaths has never been , nor will ever be the way to fix anything
ExTechOp
Robbann
one of the issues, though, is republicans are gonna see that "attack poverty" and turn it into "attack the poor"
CallMeCourierSix
*affluent suburb
You know how you can tell? Suburbs with a high average income have trees. Poor suburbs don't. Cities don't want to invest in the poor neighborhoods.
LostCaterpillar
It's not just cities. Most of those trees are grown by homeowners. Poor neighborhoods everyone rents. Renters, justifiably, aren't interesting in spending their time and money investing in their landlords property and landlords by and large aren't interested in investing in their property either.
Although I've noticed with everyone putting up solar now a lot of those trees are coming down. Black panels on the roof might be the new mark of affluent burbs.
Margrave9000
Homeownership restricts social mobility though. Look at Eastern European countries where it's still stifling urbanization and thus indirectly keeps people uneducated.
Homes should be nationalized. Maintained and rented out by a nonprofit government agency, awarded to candidates based on a complex socioeconomical score.
LostCaterpillar
I think there's an economic vs social tradeoff with government renting/housing assignment. If people aren't secure in their ability to live in a home long term it hurts their ability to form strong community with others around them who also live in that area long term.
Of course there's middle grounds between private ownership and the state gets to decide you're not economically valuable enough and your home isn't yours anymore.
bippityboppitybuttsex
The purpose of home ownership is to give people a stake in their communities.... denying that and making everyone transient is not good for a stable society.
Margrave9000
It's shared values and goals that make a society stable. Sharing requires mobility, meeting new people and new locations.
Yoz're also implying that renters can't have a stake - that they ar second-class members of their communities (if at all). That's just rude. Rosa Parks was a renter. Pal Erdos never owned a home.
Besides, I never said that nobody would be allowed to remain for longer durations. That'd depend on the overall objective situation - unbiased experts could assess that well.
CallMeCourierSix
You want to outlaw ownership? Really? You think that's the solution? To remove any possibility at home equity. Wow. That's pretty fucked dude.
Maybe rethink that and realize the problem is corporate ownership of homes. Outlaw THAT bullshit instead.
Margrave9000
Home equity is the breeding ground of generational privilege and the hoarding of wealth. Nationalizing all homes will solve this and the scarcity of housing in one. Let experts decide.
duktayp
I am not a smart man... But I'm thinking maybe let's look at see what this guy is doing and apply it on a larger scale to the entire country
Larktonguesinadicecup
CIA - SO ANYWAYS I STARTED BLASTIN
Camelspotting
Basically he's giving people hope.
StillScreamingIntoTheVoid
But then how will the wealthy grift?
Hashbrown123
The majority of politicians will go against it because it cuts into what goes in their pockets.
InfocalypseRising
You're assuming that people in charge actually want to govern and solve problems. *Most* do not, they just want to take bribes and make connections and generally live a cushy life at the expense of others.
forelle
No we are not assuming that. We are assuming a solution exist (it does) and look for ways to apply ot to solve the problem. You on the other hand want to remain as is.
wejustdontknow
He's interested in solving problems instead of lining his pockets and these problems are solved upstream. Adding cops and building prisons doesn't reduce crime. Paying people a living wage, providing accessible health care and mental health resources, having accessible affordable food, etc DO reduce crime because preventing the problem is more effective than trying to fix it after it happens.
Lynkfox
The threat of punishment (ie cops, jail, fines, ect) is only good until the situation when complying is worse then the threatened punishment. Dying of starvation or lack of meds or just because you looked at an officer wrong and an acorn fell quickly makes the threat worthless
crazyspelling
And after school activities, like sports, clubs, and art!
wejustdontknow
Yep
HouseOfEvil
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Ghlargh
Can't do that, THAT'S COMMUNISM! (obvious /s)
RacecarIsRacecarBackwards
People are just gonna say you can't do this because the USA is much too large or too different or another bullshit reason, like they do when you ask how European countries manage to provide more security for their people without being police states.
B3N15
The US would have a problem of scale that European countries do not face. The US is vastly more populated and that population is spread out over a wide geographic area that make some policies difficult to enact in similar ways to European countries. This isn't an insurmountable problem, but it does add complications you can't just ignore.
RacecarIsRacecarBackwards
What policies do you mean exactly?
B3N15
This is more of a "in general" thing. The United States is geographically large and diverse, things that work in one part of the country, might not work in another. For example, the needs of an unhoused person in NYC are very different from one in Austin or the ability to access fresh foods is going to be different in center city Philadelphia when compared to northern Alaska. This isn't saying that we can't (or shouldn't) help the homeless or provide fresh foods, just that the geography...
B3N15
... and size of the United States presents complications and challenges that some European countries do not face in the same way.
PolitiCat
But the RapepubliKKKans need these problems to be relevant and to make money for themselves.
harald74
Greetings from the Nordics! We've been doing this for 80 years now, and it's working extremely well! The Nordic nations consistently place near the top in most quality of life surveys, and we're kinda looking at you over the pond and going "what are they even doing over there?"
Sturdycrotch
Nothing. Doing a whole lot of fucking nothing at best, or actively making things harder at worst
jasondeslin
We've noticed. You've all been cheating off of our homework the entire time...
Let's see, how did the Americans solve x? And it didn't work at all? Blew up right in their stupid faces and they keep doing it? Let's try doing the opposite... SUCCESS!
;) You're welcome, for us being the perfect example of what not to do.
cropduster5000
We have a president who is actively working to destroy the US in all but name, that’s what we’re doing
LibertyNcognito
The president is the distraction. It's the Heritage Foundation zealots and technofascist weirdos who are doing the destroying. Orange 47 is just along for the ride so he can fill his pockets and avoid prison. You don't kill a rattlesnake by focusing on the part that makes all the noise.
GeneralAnubis
Yep. As stupid and goofy as the name sounds, they literally call their plan "Dark Enlightenment" / "NRx". It sounds like some illuminati bullshit but the dudes pulling the strings on this have publicly talked about it in broadcast interviews. Curtis Yarvin is a name everyone should know but no one has heard
GentlemanScientist
Except the right-wing bloc here in Sweden is trying their best to dismantle that with propositions of jailing children, expanding the police and a continual process of making punishments harsher while at the same time reducing funding to art, culture, schools and healthcare, completely ignoring all the studies showing that it's a VERY BAD thing to do.
madflenser
Oh god, it's so wild. I follow a few Nordic Instagram pages because I absolutely love the Landscapes, and every comment section has those wannabe "Viking Supremacists" commenting great replacement conspiracy shit. It's so fucked up.
GeneralAnubis
Hopefully bots
zombiejedediah
👋 from Denmark, where the last 30 years have seen a shift from focus on proven, working democratic socialism to focus on islamophobia, libertarianism, tax cuts, and less funding for art, schools and healthcare.
Imagine how much better, richer, integrated, we could have made our societies over the last generation if we had listened to the actual and complex solutions presented in those studies.
Colopty
Yeah the right wing is pushing forward with a general anti-foreigner sentiment in Norway as well, with the party fronting that rhetoric "conveniently" arriving at exactly the same "simple" solution to every problem they push: closing down services and cutting taxes for the rich.
They did lose the last election so thank fuck for that, hopefully people wisen up even further by the next one.
DeanSledgehammer
Same in Finland.