MrJwinkyface
85893
2181
71
*I think nazi is both plural and singular, might be wrong.
Jan 8, 2021 5:42 PM
MrJwinkyface
85893
2181
71
*I think nazi is both plural and singular, might be wrong.
Munchman347
But there's soon to be a lot in Guantanamo...
Fravash
THERE IS NO GLORY IN RACISM!
TheRealFireFrenzy
Unless you get shot by a racist doing something Heroically dumb or Dumbly heroic
Bexabo
they go to hell or Argentina
Venfolnir
lokigodofchaos
CloudStrife668
Stan Lee Approves. From the beyond.
HannaHPirhannaH
As a Norse pagan, I have signed and fully support Declaration 127. Fuck Nazis. http://www.declaration127.com/
trikucian
Thank you for that my heathen brother
Evergrey
As am I, and as do I.
fiddlewheelx
I would love for the Nazi's to end up in a heaven where all they do is play harps all day, bored out of their minds.
lokigodofchaos
Boil1337
Those White Supremacist bigots sure got butthurt when Idris Elba got the role of Heimdall...!
DaisyfromDownunder
But if any sneak in, they get punched.
Turbolibros
When a nazi tries to sneak into Valhalla:
boomboxapus
Glad to see we won't be letting them steal vikings as a symbol
MuLakTaN
I'm no Nazi but I'm pretty sure Valhalla is to do with all in warfare and death according to Norse mythology to tie the two together is ....
MuLakTaN
Pretty bad and almost fighting racism with racism lol
inscrutablehorse
I know 140 characters is neither helpful nor enough when it comes to clear communication, but... wut?
FirstThingThatCameToMind
No confederates either, not that theres a difference.
mormacil
I mean what did the confederates do that the vikings didn't? Slavery? Civil war? A class system? Agricultural based ruling elite?
eselsaft
Norwegian here - I see your point, but I wouldn't rule out the possibility that the vikings were somewhat racist.
Maraxus
The concept of race is very young. They had nothing like that. But diffuse "xenophobia" - yeah many had that back in the day.
eselsaft
Ah, thanks for the clarification
AgkistroThirteen
We could make a list of all the groups that aren't included in valhalla.
digitist
Gonna have to save this in my pocket just in case.
TanithRosenbaum
At least in German (I'm a native speaker), it's "Nazi" as singular and "Nazis" as plural
FabianGalon
There's also no pacifists in Valhalla. I don't think you wanna go there.
Maraxus
I think by most neo-pagan Godi, a policeman who tries to stop a crime and gets killed qualifies for Vallhalla, even if he just ...
Maraxus
...wanted to subdue the criminal, even if he has a strict moral code never ever to kill.
FailedCrate
@OP - german speaker here, nope "nazis" is right.
koflan
What's a nope nazi?
Akjir
Correct.
MrJwinkyface
Thanks
Drosophilamelanobastard
@OP - tongue in cheek internet commenter here, the plural is Nazi, the singular is Naszus.
kanoPositivityMaker
I saw it in biology. Its"nazae"
roedelheim
ClaudeKenny
We just say bingo.
BenderRodriguz1010
"Gorlami."
rosecrystal
BenderRodriguz1010
Like I said, 3rd best
LuncheonsAndDragons
"Nazis is right." -FailedCrate
FailedCrate
Nooooooooooo! :( Who needs context, right? ^^
Smayds
Well, Nazis are about as right-wing as it's possible to go! Wocka wocka.
WrathOfLust
Lol, considering the requirement is to die in battle and rape, murder and evil of any level wasn’t an issue, there are fak ton in Valhalla
mikeatike
anglarite
Actually, a WWII german pilot does end up in Valhalla in Thor: Vikings. (He does not have the nazi mindset, though)
fartymarty42
They also said there are no cats in America and the streets are filled with cheese, and look what happened to poor Fievel Mousekewitz
obsidianlance
That's such a specific reference.
fartymarty42
I’m a specific dude
KaJuN
AH-E-AAAAAAAAAAH AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
ParaBellumOutfitters
Til Van Halen Borther
theokaychick
They go to Christian hell (note the 2L’s) because they are without a doubt not followers of any path leading them to Valhalla.
MrJwinkyface
I’m okay with that
AndyGlastonbury
Correct. Nazis are supporters of the National Socialist German Workers' Party (ended 1945), so didn’t exist during Viking Days.
mormacil
Nitpick, nazis did very much interest themselves into Germanic paganism and the concept of Valhalla existed outside of the Viking age.
AndyGlastonbury
Not really, historically accurate. Folks here, comparing alt right supporter with the Nazis, is wrong. Fascists would be more accurate.
mormacil
What? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_aspects_of_Nazism#Thule_Society_and_the_origins_of_the_Nazi_Party
AndyGlastonbury
Folks here are calling alt right types “Nazis”, which is incorrect unless they are supporters of the DNSP (which no longer exist).
mormacil
And I pointed out that not just the alt right has an interest in Germanic mythology but so did the actual nazis.
Adromere
Or what if it's *just* Nazis in valhalla fighting each other for eternity while the rest of us go to an afterlife with cake and video games?
threedeviations
cocaine and hookers, beer and football, weed and pizza...
nemesisx00
Valhalla is for warriors, not cowards.
Kleverin
And pork. Don't forget Sæhrímnir. And mead from the goat on the rooftop.
InboxMeYourHDGIFs
Is there more than just cake? Like brownies? And tacos?
JT1984
Yea, I'm not going if theres no tacos.
Aliubi
And we get to sit with the Aesir in Valhalla and watch them fight
NotTinyPancakes
What sorta cake and games? if i get there and its some hard raisin cake and i have to play only fortnite we gon have problems
MrJwinkyface
No thanks, Odin needs someone to hang with him in the great halls
mormacil
I mean Odin was a dick that had no issues with rape, blood feuds and slavery.
Teasaurus
Well that's what the Nazis are for, hang 'em from the rafters!
MrJwinkyface
Maybe it’s deck the halls with balls from Nazi falafa
walterPPK
Your religion intrigues me and I want to subscribe to your newsletter.
ACrazedDoorman
The 3 mqin books to read are The Havamal, the Poetic Eddas and the Prose Edda. These are the starting points.
oscillatingdogfan
You ordered those words in an exemplary manner and I greatly enjoyed reading them.
HannaHPirhannaH
Norse Pagan here: start with the Sagas. Fuck the AFA. Support Declaration 127.
TitanThree
I've started walking the path recently. I'm trying to understand the differences between NP, Asatru, etc.. Can you recommend any reading?
mormacil
NP is a reconstruction, Asatru is a modern interpretation based on old sources. Difference is minute.
HannaHPirhannaH
You'll find many differences across the board. Its based shared orally through the ages, most things written, were written years after the1?
HannaHPirhannaH
Christian influence came in. Things were lost, which is a tragedy. But the beauty of it now, is how open for interpretation it is. 2/?
FancySharkDinnerParty
Do they go to valhella?
bendoverrover
Jotunheim
Rugby44
They go to Capitol Hill and stroll in unchallenged.
shyriath
Hella.
Buscemifier
Y'allhalla
itxtalone
im not historical religion expert, but if you die a warriors death then you go to valhalla. so im sure there are some nazis (soldiers) there
Kuvajainen
I mean, the warriors surely need some punching bags and stools to lift up their feet on!
Zoranpowl
Yes, so we can defeat them in battle forever.
Hoptimonium
Yes, along with all the Soviets and Maoist who made up the unholy trinity of evil
Shaodyn
Niflheim, also known as Hel's realm. The land of the dishonored dead.
SunnyDetox
Helheim (or just Hel) not Niflheim. Niflheim is the realm of the ice giants and the opposite of Muspelheim, the realm of the fire giants.
Dagordae
Yes. Valhalla doesn’t have a good/evil litmus test, just a ‘Are you a powerful warrior who died in battle?’ test. As long as you kicked ass
Dagordae
And died in combat, you are eligible. So those who got executed/committed suicide/got away with it don’t qualify. If you got shot in the war
Dagordae
, half go to Valhalla and half to Folkvangr. Hel’s only for those who died of old age or disease. Which may not have been a punishment, the
Dagordae
Mythology surrounding Hel is murky with a lot of contradictions.
Dagordae
For example: While there’s versions that have the realm as a place of darkness and horror, there’s also accounts where being charitable and
DaNylz
*ValHeila
Muunk
They go to Detroit. Forever.
PoorSucker
D`e Troit
BojanglesTheFlyingCar
The white supremacists are just outside of Detroit. Macomb.
Zoranpowl
Whoops wrong reply
Zoranpowl
Yes, so we can defeat them in battle forever.
sunyudai
Detroit, Argentina?
DeucesMongooses
You fuckin leave Detroit outta this
LambeauField
We usually do.
ScarecrowSticks
Then stop being Detroit [/s]
InboxMeYourHDGIFs
Nah, just Hel
MyPasswordIs1234
Hel is a peninsula in Poland.
InboxMeYourHDGIFs
Neat
Nzpagan101
Hel isn't the same as Hell. Hel is one of many afterlifes. It's believed that those who die of sickness or suicide go to Hel but it isn't 1/
Nzpagan101
eternal damnation.
CONSULTINGDALEKHUNTER
Hel is the goddess, Helheim is the place
CreatureFromtheBlackLegume
It's like saying "going to Hades" or "im going to Gerald"
xizar
Saying "go[ing] to Hades" is a thing. People do say that.
Nzpagan101
Well, no. Helheim is a later addition to avoid confusion. Hel was both the goddess and the place.
InboxMeYourHDGIFs
Thanks, sorry. I was distracted trying to educate some morons about etymology, wasn't focusing much on the comment.
Malikhi
Even hell Hel wouldn't take them, as they'd be nameless, honorless souls and would roam for eternity with no home or names, forgotten.
Malikhi
At least I think that one was Norse. I've studied so many I mix them up sometimes, and I'm only moderately sure I got that right.
humblewordsmith
Correct. They'd be sent to Nifflheim
Malikhi
Nifleheim was the world on which Hel was formed. The land of mist. I'm not sure it's ever mentioned as an afterlife destination.
SatanicSpirals
Valhalla for half of *honorable* deaths by combat. Fólkvangr the other half.Helgafjell for the holy. Hel is for death by old age and disease
Malikhi
I remember that much, but which mythos had the nameless void for dishonorable souls?
Nzpagan101
Anyone, good or bad, who dies fighting in Odin's honour goes to Valhalla. Odin wants an army for the final war come Ragnarok. Valhalla 1/
Attackchopperfetish
Thank you! You legit have to die in battle to go to Valhalla
DawnofAzazel
No half of them go to Valhalla and half go to Folkvangr.
Dagordae
Specifically, Odin picks out the best half while his wife takes those who didn’t make the cut.
IrishViking1457
Freyja has the first pick of the fallen, and she is not Odin's wife. Frigga is, and they are separate Goddesses.
Dagordae
Thanks, I tend to mix those two up.
EdenLost
And Freya gets first pick. Nazi would not be here first choice.
Nzpagan101
Not the point I was making. The question was specifically about Valhalla, not Folkvangr.
Nzpagan101
isn't like Christian Heaven and Odin isn't like the Christian god. There are no good or bad souls, just people who died fighting or didn't.
ZackWester
there is talk about the older version sort of having 3 places. 1 for the warriors(vallhalla) one for most people (hell something)
Maraxus
Nr3 is Fólkvangr. Freya's realm. Same entry requirement as Valhalla.
Nzpagan101
No, that's not right. Odin takes half the slain to Valhalla, Freyja takes half to Folkvangr. Sick and old go to Hel.
ZackWester
note about hell is that its not hell its somewhere between what you had at life to alot closer to haven, then you got purgatory
ZackWester
where the true monsters go and burn for ever or what ever punishment they got.
realAnimatronicDonaldTrump
What was the criteria to get into Valhalla? My understanding is you have to be a warrior and Odin would select you to battle in Ragnarok.
JimStarluck
I seem to recall being killed in battle by a spear being involved.
joe6paques
You’re chosen by one of the Valkyries.
Youhavinagiraffe
It's worth mentioning that we don't have any first hand sources from the people who followed Norse religion so it's hard to be specific
Trunkmonkay
We're Valhalla a real place, it'd be filled with Nazis and other violent scumbags just based on the prerequisites. I highly doubt a religion
Trunkmonkay
Where the preferred afterlife is a eternal battlefield is picky about the racial ideals of it's chosen. Trying to co-op this is fuckin dumb
MrJwinkyface
Odin does not like Nazi
mdkai
Not Odin but the valkyries. It was they who picked the bravest fighters who died on the battlefield to carry to Valhalla and Folkvang.
obsidianlance
Thank you for mentioning Folkvang.
Goldenbeer
The brohalla types automatically assume they'd go to Valhalla and have no idea about Folkvang.
TheSwedishCryptid
All of the sources are from the 13th Century. After the Nordic countries became christianised, so it's doesn't have to be accurate history
Evergrey
Freyja gets first pick of the glorious battle-slain, Odin gets second. Doubt either of them would pick these fucks.
NaarDuVedHelgrindiStaarSkalEgFylgjeDegYverGjallarbruMedMinSong
Half of the fallen warriors would go to Valhalla, and the other half to Freya's hall, Folkvang, divided between the Aesir and Vanir.
Fravash
Broadly speaking you needed to die in glorious battle. A lot of it was about having convictions and genuine honor.
catfingers
Lots of nazi's had convictions and honor they were just wrong.
FairyKingOberon
So...not Nazis
swedeonamoose
depends on how you look at it, i mean some vikings were terrible human beings that raped, murdered and burned for fun.
Hoptimonium
Allied soldiers did that as well during ww2. Stalin bragged that his troops fathered 1 million babies through rape
causality
*literally all vikings
notactuallyabrownman
But they didn't burn, rape or pillage anyone for racist reasons or with the goal of instigating a global fascist state. Big distinction.
FabianGalon
Yeah we didn't kill people for racist reasons, just for profit. Such woke, much progressive. WTF is wrong with you?
causality
Uh, they totally did. Except it was Picts and Angles and Saxons whose lives were worthless, not Jews.