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And they have to stop making it by Dec 31st (today) if they want to avoid the same fee next year.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/12/31/fda-fees-distilleries-more-than-14-k-fees-after-making-hand-sanitizers/4098868001/
**UPDATE**
HHS announced later that they were going to waive the fees:
https://www.khq.com/news/health-human-services-direct-fda-to-waive-fines-for-distilleries-who-produced-hand-sanitizer-during/article_8a102f44-4bc8-11eb-b769-732f9824533f.html
nursebangit
Thats why my sanatizer smells like margaritas
ambiencenever
Who cares, they make fortunes off booze sales in our War on Drugs nation.
TimeRyderAndTheChronoTeens
As fucked up as that is, I can see where they were TRYING to do good with fees for other over the counter stuff. Just...not that. no.
JinxRocks
No good deed goes unpunished and without monetary penalties.
luck3clover
WTF really
jonnyc78
Can't even care without getting fined in America
JusSayin222
Came for the outrage, stayed for the update
sfbiker
No reason to quell the outrage, the FDA should have caught this before they started sending out bills.
TrueNorthernLights
Jesus Christ.
knutwolfgangson8
Rile of Aquisition 285: No good deed ever goes unpunished.
sourpatchkiller78
Money does not exist.
SwatCameIntoMyHouse
I hope this goes away because whiskey scented hand sanitizer is the one thing I realized this year I never knew I wanted in life.
Takethejump
And fixed by this lady, Becky Harris, of Catoctin Creek. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10158790869399076&id=98590104075
Munchman347
Ah Ha Ha, you thought the Rump would let you just help people for free?...'
HailHector
No good deed goes unpunished.
athomp78
“Sometimes the good you do doesn’t do you any good.” - Albert Einstein
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
The fees are being waived
urgotobekiddingme
And the world just fucking watched.
Philosophyinateacup
No, in this case the PIC waved the fees due to the special circumstances
scabbydog666
I live by this.. honestly it seems sometimes you can't do right by some people something will bite you in the ass
jfarm350
Mostly government and Karens.
DarthTruman
Untaxed*
Bored4
I bought handsanny from my local distillery. Good and strong. I am glad they waived the fees.
InvolentaryYoga
If anyone still thinks America has you're best interest at heart, rereas this
florpglorp
Im guessing one of purell's or J&J's lobbyists were behind that one
Tishall
We can fix this with more government and regulations
Maddkattier
WE can fix this because WE pay them. THEY work for US.
Mr21782Man
I thought the bills passed by the GOP were suppose to help business stay afloat. You're telling them they're liars?? /s
LaughingInTheFaceOfDanger
Corrupt mother fuckers ffs.
cking1
This in Madison wi https://www.google.com/amp/s/madison.com/business/for-their-troubles-distilleries-that-retooled-to-make-hand-sanitizer-in
515XIX
WTF. Here in Aus, literally any distillery that had the capacity, made sanitiser for the healthcare world & 1/?
515XIX
donated what they could & sold the rest to recoup costs. It was commended by the gov't, not reprimanded. 2/3
515XIX
The USA is fucken weird with all it's stupid rules & regulations to protect the rich.. 3/3
rockuhard
I live in rural area outside Charlotte NC. We have 2 grocery stores for my county. That shit was god send. We didn't have ANYTHING to san.
smirdok
Same in southwest VA / northeast TN area.
Dinos91
It was the same up around Boone/Wilkesboro, it was the only sanitizer I could find for months
wibblywobblytimeywimey
Mystic distillery donated so much to folks around Durham and Orange County. It was amazing.
funkystay
Rutherford Co., NC was the same. Blue Ridge Distilling Co., came through for our county.
rockuhard
Anson County for me. They CLOSED our Walmart at the start of this, just about a year ago. We have to go to Monroe or Rockingham for that.
ImLukeSkywalkerImHereToRescueYou
I always knew the US government gave absolutely no fucks about the people, but the pandemic has really highlighted that fact glaringly.
luck3clover
You are sooo right
Sh4d0wM4nt1s
Nothing like a pandemic to expose the flaws in a system.
robsquared
We also learned millions of Americans also give no fucks about people.
thermodaemonics
This feels like low level bureaucrats mindlessly following the rules until the outcry reached someone with authority to undo the stupid.
DeinnsBeans
Im trying to coerce my wife into agreeing to moving our family to another country. I have absolutely no desire to stay here anymore.
tzxAzrael
correction; the GOP, not (entirely) the government as a whole.
DanFendi
Really taking notes on this. Gives you a good idea of how badly they're going to fuck us over when climate change really hits us.
MatrimBloodyCauthon
Came up with any solutions in your notes? Asking for a friend
DanFendi
So far all I've got is 'destroy capitalism.' There's some doodles of rich people paying mercs to kill us all or put us in gulags. So no.
MatrimBloodyCauthon
I'm onboard with that. Honestly at this point I think we need to make a discord server called Turtle Soup and get 1 mil members. To organize
stankginchfurbuger
Pinata ecomomics. It's the only way
mrvdot
According to the article, HHS has since struck down that fee (or at least declared their intention to do so)
Arrowheadx1
Yeah the title was misleading
sfbiker
The title was accurate when posted -- HHS didn't announce until this afternoon that they were waiving the fees
sfbiker
Yeah, looks like they updated it since I posted but still shows a terrible lack of FDA leadership.
Definitelynotaunicorn
They just announced that they're going to waive the fees. It's ridiculous it ever happened to begin with but at least it seems it's fixed.
BBfish
Like what jerkoff really attempted to enforce the fees?
Definitelynotaunicorn
Yeah for real. Who thought this was even remotely an okay thing to just send out.
Definitelynotaunicorn
(source: they updated the news article in the link in the main post)
wolfman492
“Seems” I’ve learned don’t believe anything until we’ll after it’s signed and done and any statute of limitations to go back and do it
Definitelynotaunicorn
That's totally fair.
Heavenissize17socks
Apparently, about half the country went ape shit when they found this out. HHS has got the FDA to back down. And rightly so.
Heavenissize17socks
Camelspotting
Hand sanitizer is not a drug, wth were they even trying?
sadurdaynight
It's regulated. Issue was every distillery was jumping on the bandwagon wo FDA oversight giving them an inspection and go ahead. /1
sadurdaynight
Distilleries were (rightly) saying that people needed support, and essentially decided to say FU to the FDA and sell alcohol for /2
sadurdaynight
sanitation now and deal with the bullshit later. The bigger issue was that the FDA had so much shit to do they couldnt keep up, /3
sadurdaynight
so they just kind of went with it and agreed to back burner the issue. Now the issue has arisen again./
unkiereamus
Yeah, actually it is. It's classified as an otc med in the US. That gives the FDA oversight to prevent dangerous products.
unkiereamus
Reading up on it, it sounds like an oversight, in order to manufacture OTC meds, you have to be a registered facility, CARES (1/2)
unkiereamus
fast tracked that registration (Almost waived, in fact), but someone forgot there are fees associated with that registration. (2/2)
Filanwizard
And I am sure the fees are to pay for the milliseconds of processor time on the server to save the data when they applied online.
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
Quite a lot of manhours goes into the inspections abs paperwork processing under normal conditions.
unkiereamus
I would imagine the fees are actually intended to be used for all the overhead that accompanies such registrations when it's not a pandemic.
NomDeImguerre
Fuck America.
StorytellingSalem
Yeah! This action represents all of america and all of its citizens! Fuck outta here
theeAndikrist
Bro/Sis - we gotta fight for rights! Always. Can't let the bastards grind us down!
Superboes
I mean either it is a Democracy and represent at least a majority of the citizens or its not and its not, doesnt it?
JustLetMeInNowPlzKthx
Google "Gerrymandering" this and campaign donations from big businesses (aka: corruption) is the US political system.
CyborgScribe
It's not and doesnt. Its form of "democracy" allows the minority to retain power, such as when a minority elected Trump.
CyborgScribe
But that also means, as part of the majority that fought our worst and most damaging regime in history, I dont like being attacked for it.
Superboes
Right if you say that the US are pretty undemocratic I fully agree with you, but most americans dont seem to agree
Superboes
Which is part of the problem
Usersubmadememakethis
That's fucked up. They were trying to help and stay afloat.
Philosophyinateacup
I think it's more like old laws on the books and the parties involved were just going through the motions of what the laws said 1/2
Ark161
there is a saying like "no good deed..."
sfbiker
Yep, they made it when it wasn't available anywhere else, my local distillery donated many gallons of it to various agencies
eatyourmeat
You think booze didnt sell during the pandemic?
Usersubmadememakethis
You think it sold as much with bars and restaurants in lockdown?
eatyourmeat
Probably not. I didn't hear about a bunch closing their doors who made the most of the antiseptics. Sazerac and big whiskey companies
fryturama
Small companies too, small breweries and distilleries. People trying to support their community, giving people something that was not ->
fryturama
Available in any other way.
3RsReadingRitingRithmatic
During the prohibition, yuengling made ice cream, coors did pottery, PBR made cheese and sold that part to kraft. Whatever works!
bebopspike13
Wait, THATS why coors makes mortars?
bebopspike13
Unrelated, apparently. Coorstek predates prohibition
3RsReadingRitingRithmatic
Nope. Go to their history page under the about tab, coors didn't become coorstek till 2000. Directly related and how they survived.
harley07babe
Umm. Distilleries were going to be FINE during the pandemic. They didn’t need to do this. They did it to keep people safe.
Usersubmadememakethis
There are smaller distilleries.
Philosophyinateacup
But the people in charge realized this was a special occasion and corrected the problem 2/2
WardSharlow
Dude, these companies were printing money. My industrial isopropanol supplier went from 800 orders a day to 5000!
GalaxyTheWolf
It wasn't even usable fucking hand sanitizer they made! It was peroxide in water with shitty alcohol in it, in clear bottles.
sfbiker
I bought sanitizing gel from my local distillery - smelled like cheap vodka, but it was 70% alcohol.
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
...vodka is (supposed to be) pure water and pure alcohol, so no surprises there
kjb72
There are some where I live that straight up smell like mash. So nasty.
GalaxyTheWolf
It was actually pretty much drinkablenif you left it in a clear bottle on the sun for a few hours, peroxide breaks down quickly into water
sfbiker
I just checked the label on mine - "Denatured alcohol", so it's not (safely) drinkable.
GalaxyTheWolf
Not all distilleries made it the same, some were smart, some, like kentucky bluegrass, used ethyl alcohol
shimmerkitten
How do they do that? Upon Googling denatured alcohol - "add an obnoxious substance"; as in bad-tasting or poisonous?
sfbiker
I can't imagine that the glycerin and thickeners would be that tasty. I think I'll avoid drinking sanitizer.
GalaxyTheWolf
Kentucky bluegrass distillery for example, their sanitizer is just water, peroxide, ethyl alcohol, and glycerin. An hour in light ruins it
mobileimgurlags
You gotta put hand sanitizer on those crappy brown paper towels and let it sit with space below like tape it to the top of a cup 1
GalaxyTheWolf
The propolyn glycol is the only other product, nothing else, it's not real sanitizer, it smells disgusting and it makes your hands sticky
backoffman
I think galaxy wolf has drank more than his fair share of hand sanitizer
GalaxyTheWolf
And propolyn glycol is an additive in alot of foods, I'm not saying drink sanitizer, but this stuff needed to be regulated better
GalaxyTheWolf
If in the instance they did use glycerin, it's a sugar alcohol anyway, still relatively safe and tasteless.