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SexyClaptrap
I am enjoying all of this majestic sir on here today.
drtdray
Seriously though...fuck cancer.
Tron220
and Ricky Gervais
Loveisall1987
Physical and mental diseases aside, I'm a supporter of critical thinking.
personguy1000
wat?
Furiou5
Ya, but you won't treat someone with disdain for having cancer either.
mr48
Cancerisntexactlyachoiceeither.
Johnzuay
Well it's not like they choose to have cancer...
PbFarmer
They sure do, if it's lung cancer.
GoddamnitClown
You might if they chose it. Then demanded special treatment for having it. I don't think he's disdainful of the religious, anyway.
ReallyLongUsernamesAreStupid
"My religion is very simple, my religion is kindness." - Dalai Lama
ASongOfPissAndFarts
I'm more upset by the fact that. One post can rip us all apart. Hit the right key. Read the comments. We are not savages.
DetectiveJohnKimball
one of my favorite people in the world
yaterade
I hate spiders with spiderwebs because I hate spiders.
SihayaOfTheAllPowerfulMeh
I hate spiders with or without spiderwebs.
Touché.
acidjuicemotel
I dislike Ricky Gervais. The Office was good only because he's so unlikable.
ShaniquaPrime
Ricky Gervais is not funny in the slightest.
theterr
That's B.S. He doesn't think people with Cancer are stupid for getting Cancer.
frugtbanan
Flawless logic... wait.
TotinoDiGiorno
This is much less clever than everyone thinks it is.
AsASymbol
Well, you sure do bitch about it enough Ricky.
toastytheburninator
Missing the obvious fact that religion is something some people actually like, whereas a hatred of cancer is universal. The man's a dick.
iHendy
Pretty sure the comments about this quote would be different if it was someone like Jennifer Lawrence that said it.
IAMTHEREALWILLYWONKA
Let's be honest, far more people have died because of religion.
N0CashValue
Far more people have also been helped by religion, also just saying "religion did this" is generalizing it too much
I genuinely am sorry, I chose my words poorly, I should have said "Far more people have died in the name of religion" is that better ?
Supyall
are just as big killers, if not bigger. Any ideology, for that matter. (2)
A.) false. B.) Religion is not at fault just because someone uses religion as justification. By that logic, democracy and freedom (1)
fledglingpsychopath
http://imgur.com/yp0Ta0q
just because there is a gif for it, doesn't mean you're right
HeeelllloooooooMurse
perfection
Mothergooch
That is a delight
wittyword
Oh fuck that's a good one. The fucking skeletons for no reason, fuck I love the internet
EleMenTal304
Thank you so much..... exactly my thought.
TVpresspass
There's a word for this kind of flawed reasoning: "Thing A is like Thing B" It's not! They're thing A and thing B!
I can't remember the word, but its like trying to shoot a Nazi officer at 400 yards and only having a dagger. Have to make your point count
mcshady
Philosophy prof: "They tell me you cant compare apples and oranges. The hell you cant. This ones red and this ones orange. See? Comparable!"
AlwaysEatingAlmonds
I thought it was a great analogy.
fcbarcelonista
You CHOOSE religion !
Arguable. Besides, as analogy doesn't have to be of 2 completely identical things, in fact it almost never is.
AgentBlackJack
That's what you think. In hindsight, everybody has a choice, but if you only if you are AWARE.
How about this: You can CHANGE your mind about religion.
wrote "if you" twice. I Apologize, nevertheless, the message seems to be clear enough.
ThatsMisterNegativeNancy
I hate when people say "Hate is such a strong word."
Exactly, no such thing; only weak people.
VikingInOz
"Bubbles" is like the least strongest word. Try saying Bubbles in an angry voice
Cflores008
I prefer to tell the other half of that. Hatred is wanting someone dead or in pain...
vegetableblood
Right? "Uh yes, I know. That's why I fucking used it."
Ivehaditwithyouidiots
I usually say, "no shit, that's why I use it."
Dang right it's a strong word. But I think it's perfectly acceptable to hate. I hate green bell peppers, winter, bugs, overcooked pasta...
raudssus
Watching imgur people talking about atheist makes me hate this community.... Seriously, cant you drop the american flavour????
dwkindig
Love the sinner, hate the sin? :)
Deathwingx12
Love the murderer, but hate murder?
ickshter
In that case you fall back to. It's not up to us to judge. It is a slippery slope. Called putting faith in a higher power.
Actually, it is up to us to judge. We make laws and decide what to do with people that break them.
And instead of looking into the sky for guidance, we should be looking at each other and offering assistance and help.
Yes there are, but a child who murders an abusive parent or a battered spouse? There is only one that can judge someones heart.
I know you're referring to god or a god, but they have to exist to be able to judge. Until proven otherwise, we exist in the here and now.
rifrafa
Yea this cop out doesn't work for him. I'm not a deist by any means but this guy is an outright dickhead to religious folk.
loshea
How? Does he pass laws forbidding them to marry? Does he protest their kids' funeral? Does he throw fake blood at them as they leave church?
Well he's pretty abusive to anyone that practices religion. He bitches about religions being intolerant yet he's pretty intolerant himself.
SerialKitten666
Comedians are outright dickheads. It's his persona, not his person. He is never outright rude or intolerant to religious individuals.
packasmacks
That doesn't mean he hates them. He's a dickhead to everyone.
Ginguraffe
What does that opinion have to do with you being a deist? Do you perhaps mean to say theist?
whatajoke
Deist is okay to say if that is what this individual believes...
Saying he is not a deist is overly specific and does not make sense there. It is like saying I'm not a Roman Catholic but...
vashtar
Not really, because they're stating what they don't believe in... I'm not a Calvinist by any means, but you're wrong.
IWillHugYouAtTheSlightestProvocation
It's not a cop out, it's an insult veiled as a cop out. The statement only works if religion is a disease or like one.
koolman2
*cough*
WouldYouLikeSomeBaileysImOldGregg
If Alcoholism can be considered a "disease," then so can religious conviction.
Alcoholism can't be considered a disease. Who has been telling you so?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholism
Wow. I'm sure many find that convenient. I wonder how long it will last.
wobbu
yeah, but ricky gervais is a twat, so
EvolutionVII
A brilliant twat that is
secondcoming
He is a twat, but a lot of what he says is accurate.
Termi101
And a downvote for you sir. :)
zigzagler
He's a twat, but he's a twat with a fair shake at the truth.
eatingonlyapples
THANK YOU
grilledcheeseaspiration
thank you
squip
To many he isn't a twat. It's a matter of opinion. Having met the man, I can say he's a gentleman, and quite a humble and genuine man.
taradactyl
What makes you say that? Honest question. I have no feelings for him either way, so I'm just wondering.
He took an interesting idea in "The Invention of Lying" and turned it into his anti-religion soapbox. His talkshow isn't flattering, either.
selectiveyellow
I liked that movie...
ohuvi
He rubs a lot of people the wrong way because he constantly attacks religion for no other reason than because he disagrees with it. (1/2)
His twitter account is full of posts that all basically say "i'm smarter because i'm an atheist." It's quite obnoxious. (2/2)
BeardKhan
His an annoying, self-centered, self-entitled, obnoxious, arrogant, nagging ball of shit basicaly. And I say it as an atheist.
He's*...
casualbear3
But what about male models?
badapparu
In short, he's your typical /r/atheism edgy teenager who just happens to be famous.
CPatricoo
He's like the atheist Steve Irwin. "ALRIGHT IMMA POKE IT WITH A STICK OH ITS ANGRY FOR SOMEREASON! LOOK OUT!"
omnipotentatus
And this is one of the things that makes him hilarious (Ricky Gervais).
TardIsMyRoleModel
Except Steve Irwin was a wonderful human being and will forever be missed.
Conradian
Steve Irwin: Educational, knew what he was doing, didn't actually 'anger' most animals, saved dozens of animals for humans.
nopost
Wonderful analogy.
Boredman
After the tornado in Oklahoma, he belittled people who were praying for the victims and bragged about himself making a donation.
Let's face it, making a donation is a proven way to make a difference. Praying not so much.
Timexican
Yes, but hating on people for their harmless actions while bragging about something they probably also did makes you a dill hole.
Here are some his more vapid tweets from a while back:
While I dislike his general attitude that last one is actually correct. If you are shaken you didn't believe it in the first place.
xTheMaestro
So what you're saying is that you should never doubt your belief...unless it's the one you ascribe to of course.
You can still have strong faith and be insulted. (2)
But that's not what he's saying. He's saying if you're even insulted, then your faith isn't strong. (1)
their beliefe/lack of belief any weaker? (3)
about my religion being insulted. If someone said the same to an atheist, it is likely that they would feel the same way. Does that make (2)
Just because I'm offended doesn't mean my faith is weak. I just hate being called mentally challenged, an idiot, and have everything (1)
leafspring
I don't really give a crap about this guy but he does have a point here - prayers are worthless, donations actually help.
ZtZebaztian
My point is that there may be the 'prayers' on the internet, but it is rather caustic to assume the number that are or are not backed.
It's a fair assumption in my opinion (otherwise they'd tell people that they've donated, not prayed) but I get your point.
You seem to be missing something: When churches (At least the ones I've attended) hold prayers for tragic events, there is usually a basket
handy for donations. We've had donations equalling $2.5k in a community of roughly 300-400 families here lately for the different crises.
sophisticatedanalpalate
He is like the atheist equivalent of WBC.
Redcoloredpencil
Considering they go and harass the families of dead children.. thats like comparing any living politician to Hitler. Looks ignorant. 1/2
People stand up to WBC, they may bring signs but they never get close to these families and rarely say anything to them. He is in everyone's
Face and his opinions aren't that much less extreme.
If anyone he is more like Pat Robertson if you were going to play the comparison game.
In a way candy is right. The difference is the medium that Gervais uses to harrass people.
Hautamaki
You can choose to be religious, people don't choose to have cancer.
Some people knowingly do actions that are known to cause cancer though-like tanning.
Your choice of religion itself is a type of cancer.
blwatson
Let's be honest. Religion or not, anyone can be a dick. So just be kind. That's my religion.
ArthurBooRadley
Who are you? A Dalai Lama for Imgur?
rob05c
http://imgur.com/T8I86
Imisspelledthatonpurpose
be kind and rewind.... your rented vhs before returning it to Blockbuster.
keyblader1985
Too soon
LaronX
I agree. But I don't have to pray to you and pay you money even after you are dead right?
willswagli
Thanks, Gandhi!
polloloco
A follower of Wheaton's law, I presume.
hunderedprocentpear
[delteed]
solluxempora
I have a funny feeling that you would like Let The Mystery Be by Iris Dement.
WillJeSuis
Where can I sign up?
BubberFantasyonline
Well people can be dicks of their own accord, or be told to act like dicks by their ideology.
mycarayne
I wholeheartedly agree my friend.
thenewmansown
"If I do good, I feel good; If I do bad, I feel bad. That is my religion." - Abraham Lincoln
"Don't be an asshole" is a pretty decent philosophy.
VetVed
I think this non-confrontational sissy-poop sentiment qualifies as being a dick.
dorenavant
Be excellent to each other.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/10/us-religion-atheists-idUSBRE9B900G20131210 Strange.. Atheists never want to kill someone
atillathebeachbum
You've heard Bo Burnham's new song haven't you? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxc20saM8DA
stevegoodsex
So I don't have to tell you about the shit piranhas
biscuits0
All hail the new messiah!
Amen
RxPro
except Canadians, I feel like they have something going on up there
CaburSkirata
i can confirm, many things going on here
NwabudikeMorgan
Nobody is that polite unless they are hiding something horrible.
DontEatTheCrabDipYeyay
*kkrsshh* Alright mounties, we've got a suspicious one. Bring the polar bear. *kkrsshh*
DataKooma
And Ricky Gervais is most definitely a dick.
ChefHannibal
^ this guy
mtgriz87
So bad analogy, such poor argument, wow. People with cancer do not choose to have cancer. People with religion choose to.
ilivewherethebuffaloroam
"Kindness is magic"- Ricky Gervais from his beyond amazing show, Derek.
Keekenox
Ehem... Friendship is also magic... *covers face to shield from downvotes*
kool4kats
That's me in the corner!.... Any one R.EM.?
MrsNedRyerson
That's me in the spot light
maxamus
Yeah, and I think Ricky likes to be a dick.
I am a secular humanist.
Omny
Indeed; take the religion out of a religious douchebag and all you got left is a douchebag.
manchurianwok
I agree. Being an atheist doesn't make someone a dick, but Ricky Gervais is a dick.
All comedians are dicks. Part of their job description, mate.
teuro
As a militant atheist, I think "dick" is an understatement.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/10/us-religion-atheists-idUSBRE9B900G20131210
makes me feel bad that he's living in one of them
radiovalkyrie
this is how i explain my ethics to people! 1. Don't be a dick. 2. Help when you can. 3. Enjoy things!
ConstantGardner
some religions have particularly hateful/bigoted/aggressive doctrines, texts, and guidelines, and they epitomize dickiness
Trhee
The upvotes show imgur is a much bigger fan of RG than the hateful comments would suggest.
TyffiBoo
I upvoted the statement, not the man.
Sure, you comment to make your disapproval louder. If you're adding a single upvote to a mountain of them, you don't really need to.
chowmaster
I hate when people confuse religion from the institution that was built around it.
myownpics
Wut? Religion is chosen. Cancer is not.
dakommy
Your faith or beliefs are hardly chosen.
Until you are much older and hopefully wiser.
Katrin931
So the 8 year olds going to church chose it?
DescipleOfCthulu
Religion is ingrained into you at a young age. It's why the majority ends up in the same religion as their parents.
KorruptJustice
HarperLee
Yeah... you've never met my mother...
CerebrawlHemmorage
You don't choose what you believe, you are convinced, or in many cases conditioned/indoctrinated to believe them.
liliputian7
Don't spread lies. I chose my religion, as I consider it the most obvious answer to worldview questions.
Then you were either convinced or you don't really believe.
I consider you arrogant, false, and ignorant.
Rubber, glue.
I think you might be missing his point. How can you CHOOSE to believe something? His point is made from a logical standpoint.
I was convinced much like you were convinced to NOT be religious. It's not a lesser or less intelligent choice, and if you believe so (1/2)
If you are not convinced you aren't a believer, you're just following the ideology (or trying to) and paying lipservice.
Hold up, I didn't bring up intelligence. What someone believes isn't a choice(that's make belief), you are either convinced or you are not.
SeanJohnSnow
Posts like these are making Ricky Gervais look more like Dicky Gervais.
superkuper
I don't think you get the quote, this makes him seem like a good guy.
:( But all the other posts convince me otherwise
iamireland
We gonna pretend he's NOT a dick? (either sincerely or for entertainment)
Haha well we hear what we want to hear, right? Either way, I clearly made the wrong pun on the wrong image
I didn't downvote you, for what it's worth. I guess mostly his fans are the ones scrolling down.
This is getting downvoted not because people disagree but because it's silly.
:P You're probably right. As I said previously, you win some, you lose some
Feench
It's fun watching you get more and more downvotes.
I'm kinda curious to see how far down it will go haha
rustytrumpet
That was not good.
Meh, you win some, and you lose some. Seriously though, I've liked Ricky Gervais a lot less since I joined Imgur
Yeah. I always enjoyed his "lectures" but then I watched "The Invention of Lying" and he started to seem more and more dickish.
It's a shame, really. I really like his comedy routines too :(
Cthulhukitten
You know nothing?
:O How did you know?
Something about your name.
PigBenus
Hating on religions constantly is still not cool... You don't like getting it shoved in your face? I don't like atheism shoved in mine.
North Korea JUST executioned 80 people for believing in a different religion. Sure, Atheists can be assholes, but we don't kill people.
Atheism is ANNOYING, but religion is a downright rapist of basic human rights<--not religion's fault, people's fault though.
Religion dictates how people live, it leads to wars/death/illness pretty frequently. 100% shoved down throats and used to torment people.
sugarstalker
you don't like what he has to say about religion? Don't go to his shows.
BrumpoTungus
Religion is an idea. Ideas do not inherently garner respect.
itakeawalkonthewildside
Not trying to be baneful, but we hate on neckbeards, hipsters, anti-LGBT people, etc; why should religion have special protections?
TBH, why should there be hate at all? At his rate humanity will only succeed in peace by destroying itself.
Monster1776
Personally I've never really seen it as hate, but more as personal distaste and social shaming, hate is always extreme in whatever instance.
So it's okay to socially shame religious people then?
If their being rude and inconsiderate of others about? Sure! Happens all the time to the Westboro Church members.
Ultimaniac
When the entire country's government is shoving one side in your face then your argument has no merit.
And how exactly is the entire country's government shoving it your face? Besides the few whacko right wing politicians that is.
You do know that North Korea is an atheistic nation right? Unless you consider their belief that Kim Jong Un is a literal God as religion.
The fact that in the US it's in the pledge, on our money, and all over tv. Do you really need this spelled out for you?
Abortion/Gay Marriage isn't legal in all states because of religion. Religion gets people murdered worldwide. Atheism kills no one.
Abortion isn't a religious stand point, it's a moral one. Granted many people's stance on this are formed from religion. Atheism has been...
the cause of some pretty fucked up stuff, it's never wise to over generalize things.
mariella
In USA, "In God we trust" on money could be seen as shoving it in your face.
No, telling you to affirm your faith to receive currency would be shoving it in your face. "In God We Trust" on money is tradition, much...
TIL fedoras are oppressed every time they see money.
UofSins
Actually not. Supreme court has said that phrase remains as a traditional/historical thing rather than to be taken literally.
But "In God We Trust" wasn't added to paper currency until 1957. That's 181 years without it, 56 with. Now I don't care either way, but (1
(3) in our face, though.
(2) traditional/historical thing doesn't seem like a reasonable excuse in this case. Still don't agree that it's like shoving religion
PeanutButterBeggar
Why is hating on religions not cool?
Same reason hating on anything that is popular isn't. The more people who like something, the more willing to attack any perceived threats.
Wait, what? So you mean the reason people hate on religions is 'cause they are popular? I guess that might be the reason why atheism has 1/?
gotten flak from religious people in the past and present. Also, to say that people hate on religion because it is popular is just false.2/2
Sorry, forgot to add something. People hate on religion because it claims something and has no proof of it, yet demands respect.
(5) Multiply that by 2.1 billion, because it's something people take a lot more seriously than a TV show, and a lot more people watch it.
I'm sorry, I totally misunderstood you earlier and I agree with you completely.
Sorry, I should have been clearer. I'm not claiming that people attack religion because it's popular. I'm saying the reason so many (1)
(3) with you? But if you point out the (many, many) logical inconsistencies of Christianity, suddenly there are 2.1 BILLION people who can
(4) hear what you say. Ever insulted a show that a friend likes and had to listen to them explain why it's the greatest show of all time?
(2) people come to it's defense is because of it's popularity. If you point out the logical inconsistencies of a cult, who's going to argue
chemistrydoc
As a religious guy...I understand why people hate religion. Hell...I hate religion sometimes. This is why I like the Pope.
ChunLiRoyJenkins
I'm agnostic...I would totally kick it with the pope anyday though.
SaintMaceToTheFace
I hate religion. Not faith
tallstaff
If you understood the problems people have with religion, you wouldn't be religious.
Whipcrackincheddar
Like the new pope, hate the Catholic church. Not sure if one cancels the other out but that's my personal feelings.
Crimsonak
The current pope still doesn't advocate condom use, which leads to thousands of deaths per year. Based entirely on the religion.
In the words of Monty Python - Every sperm is sacred.
AwesomeWelles
I don't get how that ended up in 'this is why I like the pope' - could someone walk me through it?
justinvernonsleftnippleenthusiast
As a Christian, but raised in a specifically Catholic household, my opinion is he is doing a lot to showcase compassion and stop (1/2)
ostracizing others (eg birth control users & LGBT) because that is something Jesus taught and has sadly been lost on some. Hope that helps!
Accepting the person is not the same as accepting a sin so yes. Everyone should be welcome
The sentence is a non-sequitor that's for sure.
szepasszony
This is the only Pope there has been since Peter where people wouldn't automatically assume you're being sarcastic.
ImMrNovember
Yep, me too. I consider myself to be Christian but I'm rapidly losing my taste for organized religion
I'm a indipendant Baptist. No organized religion here
RaiXira
(2/2) "I like your Christ; I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ."
As someone who was repeatedly beaten up as a kid because my family didn't go to church. I agree with this sentiment.
I'm so sorry. That's just obscene.
(1/2) As a fellow Christian, I lost my taste for organized religion a long time ago. I always go back to the Gandhi quote (not exact here):
RandomImgurian
You should come to Norway then. Basically someone who goes to church at times is considered extremely christian.
rawrrawrrawrrawr
Yeah same. I was raised religiously but now all of super over-organized rituals and stuff are just making less & less sense.
wubbapanda
I was confused and a little grossed out by the whole "drink the blood of Christ" thing as a kid. But I really liked grape juice.
emcham
You win
ian9outof10
Same. I have no time for organisations that preach Jesus' guidelines for life, then completely ignore them. Love everyone.
Epicsigh
I often get lambasted for saying this but I consider JWs to be an example of good organized religion. At the very least we don't hurt stuff.
Christianity was never meant to be organized to the extent it is. That's why it fails to live up to it's standards.
I disagree. The entire purpose of the religion is to control masses of people.
Read the first paragraph of Matthew 23. Jesus is telling people that God is their leader and christians are all equal to each other. 1/2
He points out that those who are "in power" to paraphrase are in the wrong and christians shouldn't act like them.
Romans Chapter 16. Roughly translated. Don't allow yourself learn anything outside of this book. Because I said so.
Oddmonster
Until the day all the priests guilty of raping children gets punished instead of transferred to a new district - Fuck the pope!
ButterfaceTaintClown
Oh, but he doesn't look like Emperor Palpatine so he must be good. Yeah, nothing's changed except the pr company.
All the damage from the previous Pope's cover-ups can't be fixed at once. Some damage never will. Francis is trying, and that's the point.
Not previous pope..Previous POPES. Read up on this - it is nothing new.
True enough (*Popes'). However, does not invalidate my point.
"All the damage" is not what he's talking about. He's being very specific, and it's a very severe crime, of which the punishment is transfer
The whole system is rotten - Just look how I get downvoted for advocating to punish pedophiles.....
As an atheist I just have this ACHING desire to either be or find a PR guy for the Christian community.
What I find myself thinking is, we could fix this mess if you'd just let go. I don't think the church understands faith.
The church doesn't understand faith, atheists don't understand faith, everyone who ever tried to talk someone into our out of religion.
"This is why the things you're saying make normal people think you're crazy, you should probably say it /this/ way."
Christians wouldn't pay attention to the PR guy. I mean look at Jesus. How many Christians have you seen act like him lately?
Acting like a population of ~2billion people are all the same is tantamount to racism.
You don't choose your race, you do choose your religion. Also Christianity is not supposed to have a physical leader yet it does. (1/2)
*can choose (this offer not applicable at all locations, see your local government for details.
Christians do not listen to the PR guy they were given and my statement is what it is. 3/2
The church (catholic or protestant) is currently something set up by the Romans. It is not what it was intended to be therefore 2/2
The current Pope is the best PR person I have seen in a long time. Obviously he has the audience.
I feel like he's going too far, the next Pope will just be like "That guy was CRAZY" or he's going to get assassinated.
ImSorryButIJustDontLikeYou
I don't think its possible that he's "gone too far". He hasn't changed anything, just phrased it differently
JDemms
I assume IAI means the way that Pope Francis is shaking up the church - The Vatican Bank, that bishop with the millionaire house, etc.
ShamrockFury
Fuck that, I should be the Catholic church's PR.
I'd pay to see that.
As someone raised Catholic, this is something I can get on board with
The church did a bang up job with me.
SexyClaptrap
I am enjoying all of this majestic sir on here today.
drtdray
Seriously though...fuck cancer.
Tron220
and Ricky Gervais
Loveisall1987
Physical and mental diseases aside, I'm a supporter of critical thinking.
personguy1000
wat?
Furiou5
Ya, but you won't treat someone with disdain for having cancer either.
mr48
Cancerisntexactlyachoiceeither.
Johnzuay
Well it's not like they choose to have cancer...
PbFarmer
They sure do, if it's lung cancer.
GoddamnitClown
You might if they chose it. Then demanded special treatment for having it. I don't think he's disdainful of the religious, anyway.
ReallyLongUsernamesAreStupid
"My religion is very simple, my religion is kindness." - Dalai Lama
ASongOfPissAndFarts
I'm more upset by the fact that. One post can rip us all apart. Hit the right key. Read the comments. We are not savages.
DetectiveJohnKimball
one of my favorite people in the world
yaterade
I hate spiders with spiderwebs because I hate spiders.
SihayaOfTheAllPowerfulMeh
I hate spiders with or without spiderwebs.
yaterade
Touché.
acidjuicemotel
I dislike Ricky Gervais. The Office was good only because he's so unlikable.
ShaniquaPrime
Ricky Gervais is not funny in the slightest.
theterr
That's B.S. He doesn't think people with Cancer are stupid for getting Cancer.
frugtbanan
Flawless logic... wait.
TotinoDiGiorno
This is much less clever than everyone thinks it is.
AsASymbol
Well, you sure do bitch about it enough Ricky.
toastytheburninator
Missing the obvious fact that religion is something some people actually like, whereas a hatred of cancer is universal. The man's a dick.
iHendy
Pretty sure the comments about this quote would be different if it was someone like Jennifer Lawrence that said it.
IAMTHEREALWILLYWONKA
Let's be honest, far more people have died because of religion.
N0CashValue
Far more people have also been helped by religion, also just
saying "religion did this" is generalizing it too much
IAMTHEREALWILLYWONKA
I genuinely am sorry, I chose my words poorly, I should have said "Far more people have died in the name of religion" is that better ?
Supyall
are just as big killers, if not bigger. Any ideology, for that matter. (2)
Supyall
A.) false. B.) Religion is not at fault just because someone uses religion as justification. By that logic, democracy and freedom (1)
fledglingpsychopath
http://imgur.com/yp0Ta0q
DetectiveJohnKimball
just because there is a gif for it, doesn't mean you're right
HeeelllloooooooMurse
perfection
Mothergooch
That is a delight
wittyword
Oh fuck that's a good one. The fucking skeletons for no reason, fuck I love the internet
EleMenTal304
Thank you so much..... exactly my thought.
TVpresspass
There's a word for this kind of flawed reasoning: "Thing A is like Thing B" It's not! They're thing A and thing B!
TVpresspass
I can't remember the word, but its like trying to shoot a Nazi officer at 400 yards and only having a dagger. Have to make your point count
mcshady
Philosophy prof: "They tell me you cant compare apples and oranges. The hell you cant. This ones red and this ones orange. See? Comparable!"
AlwaysEatingAlmonds
I thought it was a great analogy.
fcbarcelonista
You CHOOSE religion !
AlwaysEatingAlmonds
Arguable. Besides, as analogy doesn't have to be of 2 completely identical things, in fact it almost never is.
AgentBlackJack
That's what you think. In hindsight, everybody has a choice, but if you only if you are AWARE.
fcbarcelonista
How about this: You can CHANGE your mind about religion.
AgentBlackJack
wrote "if you" twice. I Apologize, nevertheless, the message seems to be clear enough.
ThatsMisterNegativeNancy
I hate when people say "Hate is such a strong word."
AgentBlackJack
Exactly, no such thing; only weak people.
VikingInOz
"Bubbles" is like the least strongest word. Try saying Bubbles in an angry voice
Cflores008
I prefer to tell the other half of that. Hatred is wanting someone dead or in pain...
vegetableblood
Right? "Uh yes, I know. That's why I fucking used it."
Ivehaditwithyouidiots
I usually say, "no shit, that's why I use it."
SihayaOfTheAllPowerfulMeh
Dang right it's a strong word. But I think it's perfectly acceptable to hate. I hate green bell peppers, winter, bugs, overcooked pasta...
raudssus
Watching imgur people talking about atheist makes me hate this community.... Seriously, cant you drop the american flavour????
dwkindig
Love the sinner, hate the sin? :)
Deathwingx12
Love the murderer, but hate murder?
ickshter
In that case you fall back to. It's not up to us to judge. It is a slippery slope. Called putting faith in a higher power.
Deathwingx12
Actually, it is up to us to judge. We make laws and decide what to do with people that break them.
Deathwingx12
And instead of looking into the sky for guidance, we should be looking at each other and offering assistance and help.
ickshter
Yes there are, but a child who murders an abusive parent or a battered spouse? There is only one that can judge someones heart.
Deathwingx12
I know you're referring to god or a god, but they have to exist to be able to judge. Until proven otherwise, we exist in the here and now.
rifrafa
Yea this cop out doesn't work for him. I'm not a deist by any means but this guy is an outright dickhead to religious folk.
loshea
How? Does he pass laws forbidding them to marry? Does he protest their kids' funeral? Does he throw fake blood at them as they leave church?
rifrafa
Well he's pretty abusive to anyone that practices religion. He bitches about religions being intolerant yet he's pretty intolerant himself.
SerialKitten666
Comedians are outright dickheads. It's his persona, not his person. He is never outright rude or intolerant to religious individuals.
packasmacks
That doesn't mean he hates them. He's a dickhead to everyone.
Ginguraffe
What does that opinion have to do with you being a deist? Do you perhaps mean to say theist?
whatajoke
Deist is okay to say if that is what this individual believes...
Ginguraffe
Saying he is not a deist is overly specific and does not make sense there. It is like saying I'm not a Roman Catholic but...
vashtar
Not really, because they're stating what they don't believe in... I'm not a Calvinist by any means, but you're wrong.
IWillHugYouAtTheSlightestProvocation
It's not a cop out, it's an insult veiled as a cop out. The statement only works if religion is a disease or like one.
koolman2
*cough*
WouldYouLikeSomeBaileysImOldGregg
If Alcoholism can be considered a "disease," then so can religious conviction.
IWillHugYouAtTheSlightestProvocation
Alcoholism can't be considered a disease. Who has been telling you so?
WouldYouLikeSomeBaileysImOldGregg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholism
IWillHugYouAtTheSlightestProvocation
Wow. I'm sure many find that convenient. I wonder how long it will last.
wobbu
yeah, but ricky gervais is a twat, so
EvolutionVII
A brilliant twat that is
secondcoming
He is a twat, but a lot of what he says is accurate.
Termi101
And a downvote for you sir. :)
zigzagler
He's a twat, but he's a twat with a fair shake at the truth.
eatingonlyapples
THANK YOU
grilledcheeseaspiration
thank you
squip
To many he isn't a twat. It's a matter of opinion. Having met the man, I can say he's a gentleman, and quite a humble and genuine man.
taradactyl
What makes you say that? Honest question. I have no feelings for him either way, so I'm just wondering.
wobbu
He took an interesting idea in "The Invention of Lying" and turned it into his anti-religion soapbox. His talkshow isn't flattering, either.
selectiveyellow
I liked that movie...
ohuvi
He rubs a lot of people the wrong way because he constantly attacks religion for no other reason than because he disagrees with it. (1/2)
ohuvi
His twitter account is full of posts that all basically say "i'm smarter because i'm an atheist." It's quite obnoxious. (2/2)
BeardKhan
His an annoying, self-centered, self-entitled, obnoxious, arrogant, nagging ball of shit basicaly. And I say it as an atheist.
BeardKhan
He's*...
casualbear3
But what about male models?
badapparu
In short, he's your typical /r/atheism edgy teenager who just happens to be famous.
CPatricoo
He's like the atheist Steve Irwin. "ALRIGHT IMMA POKE IT WITH A STICK OH ITS ANGRY FOR SOMEREASON! LOOK OUT!"
omnipotentatus
And this is one of the things that makes him hilarious (Ricky Gervais).
TardIsMyRoleModel
Except Steve Irwin was a wonderful human being and will forever be missed.
Conradian
Steve Irwin: Educational, knew what he was doing, didn't actually 'anger' most animals, saved dozens of animals for humans.
nopost
Wonderful analogy.
Boredman
After the tornado in Oklahoma, he belittled people who were praying for the victims and bragged about himself making a donation.
secondcoming
Let's face it, making a donation is a proven way to make a difference. Praying not so much.
Timexican
Yes, but hating on people for their harmless actions while bragging about something they probably also did makes you a dill hole.
Boredman
Here are some his more vapid tweets from a while back:
Timexican
While I dislike his general attitude that last one is actually correct. If you are shaken you didn't believe it in the first place.
xTheMaestro
So what you're saying is that you should never doubt your belief...unless it's the one you ascribe to of course.
Boredman
You can still have strong faith and be insulted. (2)
Boredman
But that's not what he's saying. He's saying if you're even insulted, then your faith isn't strong. (1)
nopost
their beliefe/lack of belief any weaker? (3)
nopost
about my religion being insulted. If someone said the same to an atheist, it is likely that they would feel the same way. Does that make (2)
nopost
Just because I'm offended doesn't mean my faith is weak. I just hate being called mentally challenged, an idiot, and have everything (1)
leafspring
I don't really give a crap about this guy but he does have a point here - prayers are worthless, donations actually help.
ZtZebaztian
My point is that there may be the 'prayers' on the internet, but it is rather caustic to assume the number that are or are not backed.
leafspring
It's a fair assumption in my opinion (otherwise they'd tell people that they've donated, not prayed) but I get your point.
ZtZebaztian
You seem to be missing something: When churches (At least the ones I've attended) hold prayers for tragic events, there is usually a basket
ZtZebaztian
handy for donations. We've had donations equalling $2.5k in a community of roughly 300-400 families here lately for the different crises.
sophisticatedanalpalate
He is like the atheist equivalent of WBC.
Redcoloredpencil
Considering they go and harass the families of dead children.. thats like comparing any living politician to Hitler. Looks ignorant. 1/2
sophisticatedanalpalate
People stand up to WBC, they may bring signs but they never get close to these families and rarely say anything to them. He is in everyone's
sophisticatedanalpalate
Face and his opinions aren't that much less extreme.
Redcoloredpencil
If anyone he is more like Pat Robertson if you were going to play the comparison game.
ZtZebaztian
In a way candy is right. The difference is the medium that Gervais uses to harrass people.
Hautamaki
You can choose to be religious, people don't choose to have cancer.
SerialKitten666
Some people knowingly do actions that are known to cause cancer though-like tanning.
ASongOfPissAndFarts
Your choice of religion itself is a type of cancer.
blwatson
Let's be honest. Religion or not, anyone can be a dick. So just be kind. That's my religion.
ArthurBooRadley
Who are you? A Dalai Lama for Imgur?
rob05c
http://imgur.com/T8I86
Imisspelledthatonpurpose
be kind and rewind.... your rented vhs before returning it to Blockbuster.
keyblader1985
Too soon
LaronX
I agree. But I don't have to pray to you and pay you money even after you are dead right?
willswagli
Thanks, Gandhi!
polloloco
A follower of Wheaton's law, I presume.
hunderedprocentpear
[delteed]
solluxempora
I have a funny feeling that you would like Let The Mystery Be by Iris Dement.
WillJeSuis
Where can I sign up?
BubberFantasyonline
Well people can be dicks of their own accord, or be told to act like dicks by their ideology.
mycarayne
I wholeheartedly agree my friend.
thenewmansown
"If I do good, I feel good; If I do bad, I feel bad. That is my religion." - Abraham Lincoln
SihayaOfTheAllPowerfulMeh
"Don't be an asshole" is a pretty decent philosophy.
VetVed
I think this non-confrontational sissy-poop sentiment qualifies as being a dick.
dorenavant
Be excellent to each other.
raudssus
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/10/us-religion-atheists-idUSBRE9B900G20131210 Strange.. Atheists never want to kill someone
atillathebeachbum
You've heard Bo Burnham's new song haven't you? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxc20saM8DA
stevegoodsex
So I don't have to tell you about the shit piranhas
biscuits0
All hail the new messiah!
theterr
Amen
RxPro
except Canadians, I feel like they have something going on up there
CaburSkirata
i can confirm, many things going on here
NwabudikeMorgan
Nobody is that polite unless they are hiding something horrible.
DontEatTheCrabDipYeyay
*kkrsshh* Alright mounties, we've got a suspicious one. Bring the polar bear. *kkrsshh*
DataKooma
And Ricky Gervais is most definitely a dick.
ChefHannibal
^ this guy
mtgriz87
So bad analogy, such poor argument, wow. People with cancer do not choose to have cancer. People with religion choose to.
ilivewherethebuffaloroam
"Kindness is magic"- Ricky Gervais from his beyond amazing show, Derek.
Keekenox
Ehem... Friendship is also magic... *covers face to shield from downvotes*
kool4kats
That's me in the corner!.... Any one R.EM.?
MrsNedRyerson
That's me in the spot light
maxamus
Yeah, and I think Ricky likes to be a dick.
MrsNedRyerson
I am a secular humanist.
Omny
Indeed; take the religion out of a religious douchebag and all you got left is a douchebag.
manchurianwok
I agree. Being an atheist doesn't make someone a dick, but Ricky Gervais is a dick.
SerialKitten666
All comedians are dicks. Part of their job description, mate.
teuro
As a militant atheist, I think "dick" is an understatement.
raudssus
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/10/us-religion-atheists-idUSBRE9B900G20131210
manchurianwok
makes me feel bad that he's living in one of them
radiovalkyrie
this is how i explain my ethics to people! 1. Don't be a dick. 2. Help when you can. 3. Enjoy things!
ConstantGardner
some religions have particularly hateful/bigoted/aggressive doctrines, texts, and guidelines, and they epitomize dickiness
Trhee
The upvotes show imgur is a much bigger fan of RG than the hateful comments would suggest.
TyffiBoo
I upvoted the statement, not the man.
GoddamnitClown
Sure, you comment to make your disapproval louder. If you're adding a single upvote to a mountain of them, you don't really need to.
chowmaster
I hate when people confuse religion from the institution that was built around it.
myownpics
Wut? Religion is chosen. Cancer is not.
dakommy
Your faith or beliefs are hardly chosen.
Deathwingx12
Until you are much older and hopefully wiser.
Katrin931
So the 8 year olds going to church chose it?
DescipleOfCthulu
Religion is ingrained into you at a young age. It's why the majority ends up in the same religion as their parents.
KorruptJustice
HarperLee
Yeah... you've never met my mother...
CerebrawlHemmorage
You don't choose what you believe, you are convinced, or in many cases conditioned/indoctrinated to believe them.
liliputian7
Don't spread lies. I chose my religion, as I consider it the most obvious answer to worldview questions.
CerebrawlHemmorage
Then you were either convinced or you don't really believe.
liliputian7
I consider you arrogant, false, and ignorant.
CerebrawlHemmorage
Rubber, glue.
dakommy
I think you might be missing his point. How can you CHOOSE to believe something? His point is made from a logical standpoint.
liliputian7
I was convinced much like you were convinced to NOT be religious. It's not a lesser or less intelligent choice, and if you believe so (1/2)
CerebrawlHemmorage
If you are not convinced you aren't a believer, you're just following the ideology (or trying to) and paying lipservice.
CerebrawlHemmorage
Hold up, I didn't bring up intelligence. What someone believes isn't a choice(that's make belief), you are either convinced or you are not.
SeanJohnSnow
Posts like these are making Ricky Gervais look more like Dicky Gervais.
superkuper
I don't think you get the quote, this makes him seem like a good guy.
SeanJohnSnow
:( But all the other posts convince me otherwise
iamireland
We gonna pretend he's NOT a dick? (either sincerely or for entertainment)
SeanJohnSnow
Haha well we hear what we want to hear, right? Either way, I clearly made the wrong pun on the wrong image
iamireland
I didn't downvote you, for what it's worth. I guess mostly his fans are the ones scrolling down.
CPatricoo
This is getting downvoted not because people disagree but because it's silly.
SeanJohnSnow
:P You're probably right. As I said previously, you win some, you lose some
Feench
It's fun watching you get more and more downvotes.
SeanJohnSnow
I'm kinda curious to see how far down it will go haha
rustytrumpet
That was not good.
SeanJohnSnow
Meh, you win some, and you lose some. Seriously though, I've liked Ricky Gervais a lot less since I joined Imgur
rustytrumpet
Yeah. I always enjoyed his "lectures" but then I watched "The Invention of Lying" and he started to seem more and more dickish.
SeanJohnSnow
It's a shame, really. I really like his comedy routines too :(
Cthulhukitten
You know nothing?
SeanJohnSnow
:O How did you know?
Cthulhukitten
Something about your name.
PigBenus
Hating on religions constantly is still not cool... You don't like getting it shoved in your face? I don't like atheism shoved in mine.
SerialKitten666
North Korea JUST executioned 80 people for believing in a different religion. Sure, Atheists can be assholes, but we don't kill people.
SerialKitten666
Atheism is ANNOYING, but religion is a downright rapist of basic human rights<--not religion's fault, people's fault though.
SerialKitten666
Religion dictates how people live, it leads to wars/death/illness pretty frequently. 100% shoved down throats and used to torment people.
sugarstalker
you don't like what he has to say about religion? Don't go to his shows.
BrumpoTungus
Religion is an idea. Ideas do not inherently garner respect.
itakeawalkonthewildside
Not trying to be baneful, but we hate on neckbeards, hipsters, anti-LGBT people, etc; why should religion have special protections?
ZtZebaztian
TBH, why should there be hate at all? At his rate humanity will only succeed in peace by destroying itself.
Monster1776
Personally I've never really seen it as hate, but more as personal distaste and social shaming, hate is always extreme in whatever instance.
KorruptJustice
So it's okay to socially shame religious people then?
Monster1776
If their being rude and inconsiderate of others about? Sure! Happens all the time to the Westboro Church members.
Ultimaniac
When the entire country's government is shoving one side in your face then your argument has no merit.
Monster1776
And how exactly is the entire country's government shoving it your face? Besides the few whacko right wing politicians that is.
SerialKitten666
North Korea JUST executioned 80 people for believing in a different religion. Sure, Atheists can be assholes, but we don't kill people.
Monster1776
You do know that North Korea is an atheistic nation right? Unless you consider their belief that Kim Jong Un is a literal God as religion.
Ultimaniac
The fact that in the US it's in the pledge, on our money, and all over tv. Do you really need this spelled out for you?
SerialKitten666
Abortion/Gay Marriage isn't legal in all states because of religion. Religion gets people murdered worldwide. Atheism kills no one.
Monster1776
Abortion isn't a religious stand point, it's a moral one. Granted many people's stance on this are formed from religion. Atheism has been...
Monster1776
the cause of some pretty fucked up stuff, it's never wise to over generalize things.
mariella
In USA, "In God we trust" on money could be seen as shoving it in your face.
Monster1776
No, telling you to affirm your faith to receive currency would be shoving it in your face. "In God We Trust" on money is tradition, much...
badapparu
TIL fedoras are oppressed every time they see money.
UofSins
Actually not. Supreme court has said that phrase remains as a traditional/historical thing rather than to be taken literally.
KorruptJustice
But "In God We Trust" wasn't added to paper currency until 1957. That's 181 years without it, 56 with. Now I don't care either way, but (1
KorruptJustice
(3) in our face, though.
KorruptJustice
(2) traditional/historical thing doesn't seem like a reasonable excuse in this case. Still don't agree that it's like shoving religion
PeanutButterBeggar
Why is hating on religions not cool?
KorruptJustice
Same reason hating on anything that is popular isn't. The more people who like something, the more willing to attack any perceived threats.
PeanutButterBeggar
Wait, what? So you mean the reason people hate on religions is 'cause they are popular? I guess that might be the reason why atheism has 1/?
PeanutButterBeggar
gotten flak from religious people in the past and present. Also, to say that people hate on religion because it is popular is just false.2/2
PeanutButterBeggar
Sorry, forgot to add something. People hate on religion because it claims something and has no proof of it, yet demands respect.
KorruptJustice
(5) Multiply that by 2.1 billion, because it's something people take a lot more seriously than a TV show, and a lot more people watch it.
PeanutButterBeggar
I'm sorry, I totally misunderstood you earlier and I agree with you completely.
KorruptJustice
Sorry, I should have been clearer. I'm not claiming that people attack religion because it's popular. I'm saying the reason so many (1)
KorruptJustice
(3) with you? But if you point out the (many, many) logical inconsistencies of Christianity, suddenly there are 2.1 BILLION people who can
KorruptJustice
(4) hear what you say. Ever insulted a show that a friend likes and had to listen to them explain why it's the greatest show of all time?
KorruptJustice
(2) people come to it's defense is because of it's popularity. If you point out the logical inconsistencies of a cult, who's going to argue
chemistrydoc
As a religious guy...I understand why people hate religion. Hell...I hate religion sometimes. This is why I like the Pope.
ChunLiRoyJenkins
I'm agnostic...I would totally kick it with the pope anyday though.
SaintMaceToTheFace
I hate religion. Not faith
tallstaff
If you understood the problems people have with religion, you wouldn't be religious.
Whipcrackincheddar
Like the new pope, hate the Catholic church. Not sure if one cancels the other out but that's my personal feelings.
Crimsonak
The current pope still doesn't advocate condom use, which leads to thousands of deaths per year. Based entirely on the religion.
WouldYouLikeSomeBaileysImOldGregg
In the words of Monty Python - Every sperm is sacred.
AwesomeWelles
I don't get how that ended up in 'this is why I like the pope' - could someone walk me through it?
justinvernonsleftnippleenthusiast
As a Christian, but raised in a specifically Catholic household, my opinion is he is doing a lot to showcase compassion and stop (1/2)
justinvernonsleftnippleenthusiast
ostracizing others (eg birth control users & LGBT) because that is something Jesus taught and has sadly been lost on some. Hope that helps!
SaintMaceToTheFace
Accepting the person is not the same as accepting a sin so yes. Everyone should be welcome
CerebrawlHemmorage
The sentence is a non-sequitor that's for sure.
szepasszony
This is the only Pope there has been since Peter where people wouldn't automatically assume you're being sarcastic.
ImMrNovember
Yep, me too. I consider myself to be Christian but I'm rapidly losing my taste for organized religion
SaintMaceToTheFace
I'm a indipendant Baptist. No organized religion here
RaiXira
(2/2) "I like your Christ; I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ."
WouldYouLikeSomeBaileysImOldGregg
As someone who was repeatedly beaten up as a kid because my family didn't go to church. I agree with this sentiment.
RaiXira
I'm so sorry. That's just obscene.
RaiXira
(1/2) As a fellow Christian, I lost my taste for organized religion a long time ago. I always go back to the Gandhi quote (not exact here):
RandomImgurian
You should come to Norway then. Basically someone who goes to church at times is considered extremely christian.
rawrrawrrawrrawr
Yeah same. I was raised religiously but now all of super over-organized rituals and stuff are just making less & less sense.
wubbapanda
I was confused and a little grossed out by the whole "drink the blood of Christ" thing as a kid. But I really liked grape juice.
emcham
You win
ian9outof10
Same. I have no time for organisations that preach Jesus' guidelines for life, then completely ignore them. Love everyone.
Epicsigh
I often get lambasted for saying this but I consider JWs to be an example of good organized religion. At the very least we don't hurt stuff.
Timexican
Christianity was never meant to be organized to the extent it is. That's why it fails to live up to it's standards.
WouldYouLikeSomeBaileysImOldGregg
I disagree. The entire purpose of the religion is to control masses of people.
Timexican
Read the first paragraph of Matthew 23. Jesus is telling people that God is their leader and christians are all equal to each other. 1/2
Timexican
He points out that those who are "in power" to paraphrase are in the wrong and christians shouldn't act like them.
WouldYouLikeSomeBaileysImOldGregg
Romans Chapter 16. Roughly translated. Don't allow yourself learn anything outside of this book. Because I said so.
Oddmonster
Until the day all the priests guilty of raping children gets punished instead of transferred to a new district - Fuck the pope!
ButterfaceTaintClown
Oh, but he doesn't look like Emperor Palpatine so he must be good. Yeah, nothing's changed except the pr company.
RaiXira
All the damage from the previous Pope's cover-ups can't be fixed at once. Some damage never will. Francis is trying, and that's the point.
Oddmonster
Not previous pope..Previous POPES. Read up on this - it is nothing new.
RaiXira
True enough (*Popes'). However, does not invalidate my point.
Crimsonak
"All the damage" is not what he's talking about. He's being very specific, and it's a very severe crime, of which the punishment is transfer
Oddmonster
The whole system is rotten - Just look how I get downvoted for advocating to punish pedophiles.....
iamireland
As an atheist I just have this ACHING desire to either be or find a PR guy for the Christian community.
ian9outof10
What I find myself thinking is, we could fix this mess if you'd just let go. I don't think the church understands faith.
iamireland
The church doesn't understand faith, atheists don't understand faith, everyone who ever tried to talk someone into our out of religion.
iamireland
"This is why the things you're saying make normal people think you're crazy, you should probably say it /this/ way."
Timexican
Christians wouldn't pay attention to the PR guy. I mean look at Jesus. How many Christians have you seen act like him lately?
iamireland
Acting like a population of ~2billion people are all the same is tantamount to racism.
Timexican
You don't choose your race, you do choose your religion. Also Christianity is not supposed to have a physical leader yet it does. (1/2)
iamireland
*can choose (this offer not applicable at all locations, see your local government for details.
Timexican
Christians do not listen to the PR guy they were given and my statement is what it is. 3/2
Timexican
The church (catholic or protestant) is currently something set up by the Romans. It is not what it was intended to be therefore 2/2
chemistrydoc
The current Pope is the best PR person I have seen in a long time. Obviously he has the audience.
iamireland
I feel like he's going too far, the next Pope will just be like "That guy was CRAZY" or he's going to get assassinated.
ImSorryButIJustDontLikeYou
I don't think its possible that he's "gone too far". He hasn't changed anything, just phrased it differently
JDemms
I assume IAI means the way that Pope Francis is shaking up the church - The Vatican Bank, that bishop with the millionaire house, etc.
ShamrockFury
Fuck that, I should be the Catholic church's PR.
JDemms
I'd pay to see that.
ImMrNovember
As someone raised Catholic, this is something I can get on board with
ShamrockFury
The church did a bang up job with me.