Every time I hear him talk about something, I have less and less respect for him. It started when he was demanding that Tesla refuse to use LIDAR in their self driving cars. They're still years and years behind GM and Ford and Waymo because of that idiotic decision. Then demanding that every dev at Twitter print out their contributions from the prior *whatever time period* So stupid. And then him talking about terraforming Mars was beyond stupid: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5krJIVjjj0o
That's not really true. They weren't geniuses. He bought a concept for a car company and pumped money into it until it became a real company. That's not especially impressive but it is what happened.
Have you seen the cars Tesla designed before mr. megatroll made them 'sexy'?. Tesla back then wouldn't have sold any cars except the one tom hanks bought.
Musk has never "invented" a single thing. He started out with an emerald mine, even his own father had to call him out on that bs rhetoric that he didn't start with money. All he's done is buy other peoples ideas and nearly run then into the ground, then hire other people to fix it and get it back on track because any time he tries to actually put his hands on something it nearly falls apart.
He's a Series-B investor, where the product is already made, they just need financing for logistics or marketing. He buys into already-made inventions and makes them credit him with a development role. I pray i am never that pathetic.
He's never built anything and just like a lot of rich people today, he inherited it. Unfortunately, Americans are simps for money so they idolize who has the most of it.
He has had an obsession with a website named "X" for the last 25 years, couldn't get it off the ground, and just bought a website and changed the name. Genious.
You know what is very strange, if you watch interviews from 10-15 years ago, I can understand the appeal, but somewhere on the way, ketamine abuse took its toll.
I've read some articles about space x where management basically assigned a babysitter to "handle" him.. they flatter, agree and keep him company, while trying to subtly steer him away from his stupid company wreaking ideas and decisions.
If you actually comb through his career it's him trying to fuck shit up and instead of people ousting him, they just paid him out to get him off the board so he can't make decisions. Changing Twitter to X was his baby and it's known as one of the worst decisions ever made.
Dude is a full fucking idiot, but because of the way things work he's failed upward at break neck speeds.
Hey now, credit where it's due. These companies were functioning quite well until he bought them, and every time he has involved himself more actively with one, it has immediately started tanking. He's had PLENTY of influence, just none of it is good influence, productive influence, or helpful influence.
If anything Elon was a PR influencer that had money to fail upwards into bigger and more subsidized companies. Until the actual PR of who he was behind the PR curtain was exposed.
I really don't get this rhetoric of "he hasn't had an impact". He's had a great impact on every company he's been part of, or purchased! A great negative impact, mind you, but a great impact none the less
Because normally if you are a negative impact you get tossed before you can do anything. I can't remember any company in history that had to set up a full department just to keep one guy from ducking it up that bad.
I used to work at PayPal (as a senior developer). What I heard was that in the early days of PayPal, the other people doing the programming would give Musk "busy work" coding that would never be used, to keep him out of the important code. Side note, the quality of the code at PayPal was the worst I have seen at anyplace I have worked (they had decent programmers, the quality issues were primarily due to toxic mismanagement) .
His dumb ass got bought out by Paypal, brought on board, and wanted to rename it to X (this fixation started WAY BACK THEN) and wanted to host it all on Windows server edition. He got punted in under a year because he was undeniably, irreparably fucking stupid.
Reminds me of meeting the founders of Venmo when they were still looking for seed capital, and we're having drinks in a group at a conference and we're like... so you're a bank? No. You're an escrow? No. You're some kind of trust? No. You're just... holding people's money? Yes. *crickets* Uh... so what kind of encryption are you using? None. And you want... seed capital? Yes, please. *bugsbunnyhowaboutno.gif* But somehow they're billionaires, and not federal inmates.
Oh so you’re really not paying attention. No worries. I got you. Right now we’re in a war of attention, there is literally too much content, news, music, political unrest, and personal struggle for any one person to actually keep up. This is the perfect environment for disinformation to spread, because now, you don’t even need to be convincing, you just need to be seen. People take what they see at face value, and then move on because if you don’t move on, you’re going to fall behind. So/
/messaging at the moment really only needs exposure to make an impact on a person, in fact, that exposure is the most important factor. So, while one side is messaging over and over that he didn’t give a nazi salute, if we fail to fight that messaging with the truth, the truth will be forgotten and we will lose. It is not something we have the luxury of ignoring just because it doesn’t feel as effective as doing something else. Now, you seem like a logical person, so you might be thinking that/
He is a con man who would be in prison now if trump had not won in 2024... he had multiple SEC and DoJ investigations into securities fraud and all of those cases were dropped as soon as trump took office.
That is why he spent a fortune to influence the election... his freedom depended on it.
Zero percent chance Musk would be in prison. At worst they'd have fined him a fraction of what he made from all that fraud, and he'd have decamped to Brazil or something.
Like, just a teensy bit, I feel for her, because she was completely fucked from so early, and she just dug deeper and deeper looking to make her promises a reality, and if she'd pulled it off she'd be a billionaire named in medical textbooks.
The man is incapable of telling the truth and has been lying to investors for well over a decade.
He told investors the Tesla Semi 'beats rail', he took $250K deposits from the stupidest fucks on the planet for the New Tesla Roadster, he told people he would have Full Self Driving in 2015, he would have put people on Mars in 2022.
He lies, people fall for it. Investors keep buying up the stock cuz they are hoping for a Greater Fool.
Don't forget that he also promised: -A hyperloop for California, a promise which lead to them declining contracts for additional rail lines. Proposition vanished months later, immediately after cali confirmed scrapping its high speed rail propositions. -An end to world hunger if provided a 6 Billion dollar plan, which the WFP FUCKING PUBLISHED, and he immediately backed out of.
He is actively malicious in his proposition of contracts he never intends to fill.
The fact that him being a LITERAL Nazi is an honest to god afterthought really does speak volumes to the state of the world.
Kind of like how we very much tried to instigate WW III with Iran, and IRAN de-escalated with the surrounding countries and said "no, we're not going to WW III over this", and all of that was 6 months or less ago.... and it's not even a headline anymore. Not unless Trump is talking about going for another round of getting his shit pushed in by a real military operation.
True on all counts. Just god fucking damn it, it was supposed to be flying cars, quantum communication, space stations, and post scarcity, not... this.
richhostetter360
Thank you !
SomeDetroitGuy
Every time I hear him talk about something, I have less and less respect for him. It started when he was demanding that Tesla refuse to use LIDAR in their self driving cars. They're still years and years behind GM and Ford and Waymo because of that idiotic decision. Then demanding that every dev at Twitter print out their contributions from the prior *whatever time period* So stupid. And then him talking about terraforming Mars was beyond stupid: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5krJIVjjj0o
TomWest61
He bought Tesla and he is running it in the ground.
Berserk7891
he's a moron along with the rest of them
Camelspotting
That's not really true. They weren't geniuses. He bought a concept for a car company and pumped money into it until it became a real company. That's not especially impressive but it is what happened.
orp0piru
ThatGuyFromJustSouthOfTheMiddleOfNowhere
Technically he is a founder of Tesla. Only because he paid a shitton of money to buy a court ruling that says he can call himself a founder
tirpider
That's pretty pitiful.
NM156
Well, how else are you going to be a founder if everything has been founded already!?!
khora
The other two "white dudes" weren't geniuses either. J. B. Straubel built the company.
temotodochi
Have you seen the cars Tesla designed before mr. megatroll made them 'sexy'?. Tesla back then wouldn't have sold any cars except the one tom hanks bought.
StickyFloorStain
Musk has never "invented" a single thing. He started out with an emerald mine, even his own father had to call him out on that bs rhetoric that he didn't start with money. All he's done is buy other peoples ideas and nearly run then into the ground, then hire other people to fix it and get it back on track because any time he tries to actually put his hands on something it nearly falls apart.
UserNamesArentEasy
The only smart thing Elon did was Buy Tesla, SpaceX, and Boreing.
bexxMaker
...and a Nazi!
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VikingsAreNinjaPirates
He's a Series-B investor, where the product is already made, they just need financing for logistics or marketing. He buys into already-made inventions and makes them credit him with a development role. I pray i am never that pathetic.
TheyCallMeCaptainObvious
Was Glass onion about him?
dtallen243
Tesla has always sucked even before muskrat's influence. They've the lowest quality standards/tolerances of any auto manufacturer I've ever worked at
khora
They never built anything before Musk.
dtallen243
He was an initial investor and their quality declined as he gained more and more control of the company
FlintNorth44
Yep
clonedeeznuts
He's never built anything and just like a lot of rich people today, he inherited it. Unfortunately, Americans are simps for money so they idolize who has the most of it.
walterPPK
He’s also weird. The not-good kind of weird.
cabalin
People who idolize Musk don’t realize anything.
YuffieK
Elon didn't buy it. Money from Errol Musk's emerald 'mine' bought him the position on the board.
khora
I've seen no evidence that Errol Musk ever helped anyone.
FreePalestineAndTheWorldFromIsrael
He has enough money to end world hunger, and chooses not to. Thats all anyone really needs to know about him.
SploogeMcDuck316
Kinda like how trump is a business genius
jonhamsandwich11
merxman
We look for companies...companies to make stock go.
Skuggen
tachyx
Nothing about Tesla required any genius. Same with all the websites. It was all known technology that just needed someone to slap together.
7qd26tttv7
Yup. Most car manufacturers were going to produce EVs by now anyway, they just needed the funds to finance upgrading their production lines.
Easy when you enter the market at that benchmark. Takes more time when you already have hardware investments to pay off first.
vericon151
Elon is a genius compared to tRumpty Dumpty.
7qd26tttv7
I shat out more genius than trump has ever known into my ex's toilet this morning.
I'm a staright guy, this isn't some double entendre about spilled seed. It's a reference to poop.
Resistance1000
That's the lowest possible bar.
Exyr
Im waiting for him to murder an elephant to prove a point.
qPRdxH4UXm36HS9rJgLA
He is the Edison of our day, and I mean that as a slur..
meganical
Welp, I’m pretty sure that’s not illegal in the U.S. anymore since Trump just approved the hunting of endangered species
7qd26tttv7
And that is how I got banned from the San Diego Zoo.
ThatGuyFromJustSouthOfTheMiddleOfNowhere
merxman
SpaceX I'd say more than just one prolific engine designer and engineer, but the point stands for sure.
Sorrontis
It's not just Tesla. It's Twitter, it's paypal. It's everything he's ever touched. All of it. He had minimal ACTUAL influence.
Sticklebrickk
He has had an obsession with a website named "X" for the last 25 years, couldn't get it off the ground, and just bought a website and changed the name. Genious.
CitizenPrime
You know what is very strange, if you watch interviews from 10-15 years ago, I can understand the appeal, but somewhere on the way, ketamine abuse took its toll.
barstr7
That's that white colonizer mentality he got from daddy.
Uselesstoy
I've read some articles about space x where management basically assigned a babysitter to "handle" him.. they flatter, agree and keep him company, while trying to subtly steer him away from his stupid company wreaking ideas and decisions.
awkungen42
If you actually comb through his career it's him trying to fuck shit up and instead of people ousting him, they just paid him out to get him off the board so he can't make decisions. Changing Twitter to X was his baby and it's known as one of the worst decisions ever made.
Dude is a full fucking idiot, but because of the way things work he's failed upward at break neck speeds.
wabitgirl
Hey now, credit where it's due. These companies were functioning quite well until he bought them, and every time he has involved himself more actively with one, it has immediately started tanking. He's had PLENTY of influence, just none of it is good influence, productive influence, or helpful influence.
HarryDresdenIsMySpiritAnimal
He had a huge influence on both Tesla and Twitter... None of it positive, mind you, but the influence was HUGE. Very bigly.
Frencheeseater
LobotomyPending
He even renamed Twitter to X bc that's what he wanted to name Paypal and they told him to fuck off lmao he's so fucking cringe
HandoB4Javert
torisenblack
Oh he had ACTUAL influence at Tesla.
The Cybertruck is all his.
ElbowDeepInUserSub
If Luck and Privilege had a baby...
torisenblack
I think you just described every billionaire, really.
Sorrontis
also, take your hand out of me
Sorrontis
exactly!
GreyKnightTemplar666
If anything Elon was a PR influencer that had money to fail upwards into bigger and more subsidized companies. Until the actual PR of who he was behind the PR curtain was exposed.
Its1447
I guess it takes a type of (amoral) genius to figure out how best to exploit end stage capitalism and secure billion dollar government handouts?
Sorrontis
yeah, that's sums it up
PteradactylStevens
Well to be fair he world work late hours coding at PayPal and committing code…..
Only to crash the whole system and for the real engineers to come in and frantically rebuild from the ashes. Then they fired him.
Sorrontis
hahaha.. you almost had me going there
wabitgirl
I really don't get this rhetoric of "he hasn't had an impact". He's had a great impact on every company he's been part of, or purchased! A great negative impact, mind you, but a great impact none the less
ZackWester
Because normally if you are a negative impact you get tossed before you can do anything. I can't remember any company in history that had to set up a full department just to keep one guy from ducking it up that bad.
EvangelicalAtheist
I used to work at PayPal (as a senior developer).
What I heard was that in the early days of PayPal, the other people doing the programming would give Musk "busy work" coding that would never be used, to keep him out of the important code.
Side note, the quality of the code at PayPal was the worst I have seen at anyplace I have worked (they had decent programmers, the quality issues were primarily due to toxic mismanagement) .
AreYouABadPerson
His dumb ass got bought out by Paypal, brought on board, and wanted to rename it to X (this fixation started WAY BACK THEN) and wanted to host it all on Windows server edition. He got punted in under a year because he was undeniably, irreparably fucking stupid.
crazyspelling
Reminds me of meeting the founders of Venmo when they were still looking for seed capital, and we're having drinks in a group at a conference and we're like... so you're a bank? No. You're an escrow? No. You're some kind of trust? No. You're just... holding people's money? Yes. *crickets* Uh... so what kind of encryption are you using? None. And you want... seed capital? Yes, please. *bugsbunnyhowaboutno.gif* But somehow they're billionaires, and not federal inmates.
hohohoooo
Whitebeardthepirate
yes, we get it, he made the fucking nazi salute. now, what are we going to DO with this info rather than repeat it over and over?
ripstripsart
If you don’t think repeating this has value, you’re not paying attention.
Whitebeardthepirate
mkay, now what consequences have been brought on him so far as a result of repeating this?
ripstripsart
Oh so you’re really not paying attention. No worries. I got you. Right now we’re in a war of attention, there is literally too much content, news, music, political unrest, and personal struggle for any one person to actually keep up. This is the perfect environment for disinformation to spread, because now, you don’t even need to be convincing, you just need to be seen. People take what they see at face value, and then move on because if you don’t move on, you’re going to fall behind. So/
ripstripsart
/messaging at the moment really only needs exposure to make an impact on a person, in fact, that exposure is the most important factor. So, while one side is messaging over and over that he didn’t give a nazi salute, if we fail to fight that messaging with the truth, the truth will be forgotten and we will lose. It is not something we have the luxury of ignoring just because it doesn’t feel as effective as doing something else. Now, you seem like a logical person, so you might be thinking that/
bippityboppitybuttsex
He is a con man who would be in prison now if trump had not won in 2024... he had multiple SEC and DoJ investigations into securities fraud and all of those cases were dropped as soon as trump took office.
That is why he spent a fortune to influence the election... his freedom depended on it.
crazyspelling
Zero percent chance Musk would be in prison. At worst they'd have fined him a fraction of what he made from all that fraud, and he'd have decamped to Brazil or something.
bippityboppitybuttsex
Tell that to Elizabeth Holmes who did 1/1000th of the investor fraud that Musk has done.
crazyspelling
Like, just a teensy bit, I feel for her, because she was completely fucked from so early, and she just dug deeper and deeper looking to make her promises a reality, and if she'd pulled it off she'd be a billionaire named in medical textbooks.
bippityboppitybuttsex
The man is incapable of telling the truth and has been lying to investors for well over a decade.
He told investors the Tesla Semi 'beats rail', he took $250K deposits from the stupidest fucks on the planet for the New Tesla Roadster, he told people he would have Full Self Driving in 2015, he would have put people on Mars in 2022.
He lies, people fall for it. Investors keep buying up the stock cuz they are hoping for a Greater Fool.
wabitgirl
Don't forget that he also promised:
-A hyperloop for California, a promise which lead to them declining contracts for additional rail lines. Proposition vanished months later, immediately after cali confirmed scrapping its high speed rail propositions.
-An end to world hunger if provided a 6 Billion dollar plan, which the WFP FUCKING PUBLISHED, and he immediately backed out of.
He is actively malicious in his proposition of contracts he never intends to fill.
bippityboppitybuttsex
He also says that all of USAID was a scam and destroyed it, killing 14M people (that is assuming it is started back up in 2029)
dendiverdown
And tunnels under LA with The Boring Company. One sample tunnel was built, then the project completely abandoned
bippityboppitybuttsex
Yeah, he actually made up the Boring Company just to kill high speed rail in California, claiming he could do it cheaper... and delivered nothing.
bippityboppitybuttsex
... and he a fucking Nazi.
ialoneambest
And then there’s that.
bippityboppitybuttsex
TBH, at this point, it is his whole identity
wabitgirl
The fact that him being a LITERAL Nazi is an honest to god afterthought really does speak volumes to the state of the world.
Kind of like how we very much tried to instigate WW III with Iran, and IRAN de-escalated with the surrounding countries and said "no, we're not going to WW III over this", and all of that was 6 months or less ago.... and it's not even a headline anymore. Not unless Trump is talking about going for another round of getting his shit pushed in by a real military operation.
bippityboppitybuttsex
So, JD Vance is a nazi as well, so is trump and Mike Johnson and a good chunk of the Republicans in Congress and every ICE and CBP agent.
At this point, the Nazis are an afterthought cuz they are doing so much non-Nazi regular damage to the world.
wabitgirl
True on all counts. Just god fucking damn it, it was supposed to be flying cars, quantum communication, space stations, and post scarcity, not... this.