In Aug 1980, during the campaign, Reagan gave a “states rights” speech at Nashoba County Mississippi (just up the road from where the KKK murdered civil rights activists). Separately, he made up a story about a “welfare queen” from Chicago who drove a Cadillac. Reagan used race baiting to turn people against each other for a political purpose. Nixon had a Southern Strategy. Republicans do not care at all about poor white people. They just use them, over and over and over.
I particularly like the Oops! All Reagan! image that I can't find right now, whenever a question of "when did X horrible thing in the US truly kick off?" but that Boondocks image is great.
Eh, Magats don't care about Reagan. And honestly, I wish they did.
A former KGB, USSR fanboi attacking a pro-west democracy? Fighting that wasn't "in" Reagan's wheelhouse - 𝙞𝙩 𝙬𝙖𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙬𝙝𝙤𝙡𝙚 𝙙𝙖𝙢𝙣 𝙬𝙝𝙚𝙚𝙡. If the ideologies of Reagan were still in charge, Ukraine would be begging the US to 𝙨𝙩𝙤𝙥 sending them weapons and ammo because they'd be running out of room.
I'm just gonna tell you, as a practical matter, unless you're living paycheck to paycheck, you should invest your savings in safe stocks, s&p or bank stocks or something. If you want to save money over long term, this is the best way. If you just save cash in a savings account, every year, inflation will reduce the buying power of that cash, which means your savings are constantly decreasing, even if the dollar amount stays the same.
I hear you, but to me, the sense of the economy isn't the stock market that can only directly influence a small portion of the people.
To me, it's at least two factors: The number of jobs increasing, and the pay of those jobs. Not necessarily the minimum wage, but the average wage.
I am not an economist but I feel I understand that raising minimum wages will affect the prices of everything else, but I feel that people should be able to work one 40-hour job to have all finances and benefits.
Europe proved that paying a loving wage doesn't affect prices by any significant amount.
They raised prices during COVID FAR more than they said would be necessary to pay a living wage, while their expenses went down, they cut services, and pocketed record profits.
It's all bullshit, and the only answer is to kill anyone that refuses to restrain their own greed.
Especially when .most of those who control it are frauds. Musk had 17 investigations into his stock market fraud and manipulation and used DOGE to remove those people and most of the agencies like USAID. Even nasa was investigating SpaceX
At this point I am a single issue voter and that issue is capitalism. I do not care if the president made more or less money for the stock market, I want the stock market abolished.
Cool, you can counteract some of us who are single issue voters on the opposite side (supporting free market well-regulated capitalism, which is NOT what Trump and MAGA are all about by any stretch of anyone's imagination).
I hope Jimmy Carter is enjoying whatever afterlife he believed in, content knowing Reagan and his ilk are boiling in a lake of molten shit for eternity.
Yeah, but like, quantitive easing also happened under Obama, and that’s probably the single worse thing to ever happen to the USA, so you know, you win a little you lose a lot.
Ronald Reagan contacted the Iranians before the 1980 election and told them not to release the hostages before the election, extending their internment by months.
This needs to be mentioned every time that traitorous piece of shit is mentioned....
I'm from a small farm town in the midwest. One of the staff at my elementary school had a son among the hostages. I have no idea who, I just remember the all the teachers and staff going nuts one day, then we had a big ass parade in town.
Oh shit, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis has their names and home towns, and there's a last name I recognize. Yeah, he's from my hometown. Wild. I kind of thought I imagined it. I would've been 5.
So, no part of me believes that Republicans want to go back to a New Deal America where a sole provider can pay a mortgage, go on a vacation to Disney World and send a couple of kids to college... they want, well.... this.... A society where a miniscule few have all of the wealth while the bottom 95% wonders how to pay their rent and feed themselves.
You're entirely correct about the Republican party. I was thinking more along the lines of republican voters. They absolutely do what those things (save the tax rates) they just have absolutely no fucking clue how we lost them.
So, Republican politicians know what they want. Money and power.
Republican voters are simps who like being lied to and will change their positions to fit whatever the lie du jour of the day is... so, now they are pro-child rape (pretty obvious given who keeps getting arrested for CSAM), pro-war, pro high-gas prices, pro inflation, pro swamp, pro corruption and pro destroying the working class.
My ability to feel sympathy for the rural poor is falling off a cliff
Pretty much. Though I think you're giving their voters more credit than they're due by implying they're even aware of half that stuff. The GOP pitch to their base is pretty much "Guns, White Jesus, and tax cuts you never actually get".
...Which part of the /confirmed by the Iranian president, declassified CIA memos, campaign staffers for Reagan, and a dude who was on the trip to the middle east alongside the negotiator of the deal/ idea that Reagan cut a deal do you think is a conspiracy theory out of curiosity? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_October_Surprise_theory#
“Confirmed by the Iranian president” No, a decade later a guy in exile said he’d heard his enemies had since it. No direct evidence.
“declassified CIA memo” Also no, there’s a incredibly suspect indirect thing that says there’s a memo. No actual memo.
All the “evidence” is like this. Indirect, circumstantial, rumors. All from people who weren’t involved. All telling completely different versions of the same thing. All starting with a Daily Stormer-level untrustworthy source in 1980.
I am guessing you don't believe Nixon contacted the president of South Vietnam and told him not to make peace with the North before the 1968 election, either?
Conspiratorial nonsense? The man spent 8 years warping the strongest economy in the world into blatant neofudalism, enriching the elites by gutting social safety nets, public education, labor laws, the guardrails that kept capitalism in check, and so much more. That kind of thing doesn't just happen in a vacuum. That's what historians calls a "turning point." https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M245PqlV328
Did the Iranians cut the social safety nets? Did Ronny go to Teheran, scheme with the Ayatollah on how they would demolish the guardrails that kept capitalism in check?
I can see you are a good little fanatic, but do try to keep up.
It is an allegation supported by the evidence way beyond a reasonable doubt. Too many Nixon personnel have testified to their role in the treason.
And the hostages spent another 80 days in captivity because of it, and the one person who absolutely did not give a shit about them was that senile racist fuck, Ronald Reagan.
He is a bottom-tier president who would have gone down as the most destructive president until his heir, trump, put a stake thru the heart of the nation.
"Nevertheless, several individuals—most notably, former Iranian President Abulhassan Banisadr, former Lieutenant Governor of Texas Ben Barnes, former naval intelligence officer and U.S. National Security Council member Gary Sick, and Barbara Honegger, a former campaign staffer and White House analyst for both Reagan and his successor George H. W. Bush—have stood by the allegation."
Yeah, so nobody breathed a word of this for decades? And you believe that Republican John Connally took his political enemy Ben Barnes on an illegal & potentially career destroying five nation tour to enact this conspiracy? And that Barnes never mentioned it, not even during Iran-Contra? And that Congress and an independent counsel investigation just missed finding any further proof?
The problem with just worrying Wikipedia summaries is that you miss all the actual info.
Nobody breathed about it for... decades? Robert Dreyfus first published the story in December of 1980 (then a followup in 1983) but he didn't name any of his sources, so it wasn't until after Reagan was out of office that those individuals started to publish their allegations themselves.
Barbara published her tell-all in 1989. Iranian President Abulhassan Banisad and Gary Sick separately published their own books in 1991.
The truth is that none of these ppl spoke up about this for decades, through the Iran Contra investigations, an independent counsel, and every journalist who wanted to look into that rat fuck Reagan and his whole sickening career.
Then suddenly Democrat Ben Barnes says Republican John Connally decided to take him, a political rival, along on an extremely illegal and immoral errand while he talked to top officials in five separate countries. And nobody in any of them said anything about it.
Rupert Murdoch is 95 and not doing much of anything anymore. He resigned as Executive Chairman of Fox News and NewsCorp 3 years ago. Lachlan Murdoch is in charge now.
I'm well aware, but you said none of them are still alive. Demonstrably untrue, and he has steeped his sons in his avarice and hate for so long that I see no difference between their function in the business, if anything Lachlan is worse.
Rupert Murdoch is alive, yes, but he is not pulling any strings anymore. You can argue that the Murdoch Family is "pulling strings", but Rupert Murdoch, not so much.
NunyaBizness
I knew it wasn't RayGun Zapp.
ragazzino
Garwoodxx
In Aug 1980, during the campaign, Reagan gave a “states rights” speech at Nashoba County Mississippi (just up the road from where the KKK murdered civil rights activists). Separately, he made up a story about a “welfare queen” from Chicago who drove a Cadillac. Reagan used race baiting to turn people against each other for a political purpose. Nixon had a Southern Strategy. Republicans do not care at all about poor white people. They just use them, over and over and over.
orp0piru
akafluffy
still waiting for something to trickle down that doesn't smell like an ostomy bag.
klaceo
Capum15
I particularly like the Oops! All Reagan! image that I can't find right now, whenever a question of "when did X horrible thing in the US truly kick off?" but that Boondocks image is great.
jtwood
I miss Clinton and the concept of a balanced budget
https://www.us-debt-clock.com/data/deficit-by-year
pixelsnader
I mean... if the country stops alternating between the brakes and the gas pedals....
Sechran
Eh, Magats don't care about Reagan. And honestly, I wish they did.
A former KGB, USSR fanboi attacking a pro-west democracy? Fighting that wasn't "in" Reagan's wheelhouse - 𝙞𝙩 𝙬𝙖𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙬𝙝𝙤𝙡𝙚 𝙙𝙖𝙢𝙣 𝙬𝙝𝙚𝙚𝙡. If the ideologies of Reagan were still in charge, Ukraine would be begging the US to 𝙨𝙩𝙤𝙥 sending them weapons and ammo because they'd be running out of room.
DarthGoodguy
The older ones fucking love Reagan.
They even voted for a guy who stole his campaign slogan.
TooRexyForMyShirt
Thanks, Obama.
gablestout
shameofslate
If you think Reagan sucked, wait till you hear about his wife!
akafluffy
ba dum tss
urusername2
Reagan unleashed the corporations on us
cbale2000
I mean, hitting the rebound side of the biggest recession in 50+ years helps those numbers a lot.
GeekBoyChrisOnlySometimes
I'm fucking sick of hearing who increased the value of the stock market. That doesn't mean shit to me.
DasBeaker
*cry’s in Pam Bondi*
MoreButterForMyHam
But...line go up...
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Rhythmaster
I'm just gonna tell you, as a practical matter, unless you're living paycheck to paycheck, you should invest your savings in safe stocks, s&p or bank stocks or something. If you want to save money over long term, this is the best way. If you just save cash in a savings account, every year, inflation will reduce the buying power of that cash, which means your savings are constantly decreasing, even if the dollar amount stays the same.
RubbleTrouser
AI and oil related stocks are responsible. If you remove AI stocks, the market would not look so hot. Also oil stocks be abuse of Iran war.
DVSBSTrD
It doesn't mean shit to 99% of them either.
jasondeslin
I'm a Communist, so I understand where you're coming from.
But the racist pedophile misogynistic bigots that keep voting Republican say that the main reason they support Reps is the economy.
Reps are ALWAYS worse for the economy.
If any of them ACTUALLY do care about the economy, showing them hard figures can put a crack in the brain washing.
Most don't, and it's actually because they are racist pedophile misogynistic bigots. Which we can prove by showing how they suck at the economy.
GeekBoyChrisOnlySometimes
I hear you, but to me, the sense of the economy isn't the stock market that can only directly influence a small portion of the people.
To me, it's at least two factors: The number of jobs increasing, and the pay of those jobs. Not necessarily the minimum wage, but the average wage.
I am not an economist but I feel I understand that raising minimum wages will affect the prices of everything else, but I feel that people should be able to work one 40-hour job to have all finances and benefits.
jasondeslin
Europe proved that paying a loving wage doesn't affect prices by any significant amount.
They raised prices during COVID FAR more than they said would be necessary to pay a living wage, while their expenses went down, they cut services, and pocketed record profits.
It's all bullshit, and the only answer is to kill anyone that refuses to restrain their own greed.
cenfou2tout
But have you thought about the shareholders ?
akafluffy
nonstop, I picked up some fava beans and chianti.
thechelonianshelmet
I have recipes, so, so, many recipes.
Toqom
Especially when .most of those who control it are frauds. Musk had 17 investigations into his stock market fraud and manipulation and used DOGE to remove those people and most of the agencies like USAID. Even nasa was investigating SpaceX
meme2zombie
The people who are the target of this meme care, or at least they constantly talk about it as if they care.
TheAngriestBeardman
They can't read
meme2zombie
So you read it and repeat it at thanksgiving dinner for them ;P
michaelfire
Reaganomics- ended New Deal shared prosperity- 43 years flat income growth after his election in 1980 created US oligarchy, Plutocracy https://www.hks.harvard.edu/faculty-research/policycast/oligarchy-open-what-happens-nowutocracy">https://www.hks.harvard.edu/faculty-research/policycas">-us-for">utocracy">https://www.hks.harvard.edu/faculty-research/policycast/oligarchy-open-what-happens-now-us-forced-confront-its-plutocracy /gallery/us-has-ruling-class-americans-must-stand-up-to-bernie-sanders-guardian-X9Lmvut https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-states/age-kleptocracy-cooley-nexon
drhobotron
Btw, happy anniversary of Reagan's death!
FatboyRich
Reagan did decide to tax Social Security however. We have him to thank for that
Chaapai
Ronald(s) Wilson(6) Reagan(6)
spitfires2000
Wait till you hear how many kids Obama fucked!
akafluffy
release the files, everyone over 0 can grab a blue horizon rocket to mars
Temzilla
At this point I am a single issue voter and that issue is capitalism. I do not care if the president made more or less money for the stock market, I want the stock market abolished.
rudejohn
Cool, you can counteract some of us who are single issue voters on the opposite side (supporting free market well-regulated capitalism, which is NOT what Trump and MAGA are all about by any stretch of anyone's imagination).
Temzilla
To be clear, I do not want capitalism in any form to exist.
rudejohn
Yep, thats why I said we counteract each other, because I am very pro-capitalism (as long as it's regulated and not an oligarchy).
Temzilla
Regulation can not stop the inherent issues with capitalism, we have to get rid of it.
KamikazeGerbil101
Reagan was the beginning of the end. I hope he spends eternity being a bottom.
HollerinAtTheVoid
No, Obama just benefited from a market that would have done that for any president who was in office at the time….
Wait, why are you googling the past 10 administrations? Stop that!
doctorId
Reagan did create thousands of jobs. Jobs that were vacant after he illegally fired striking airline workers.
ToSisPoS
I hope Jimmy Carter is enjoying whatever afterlife he believed in, content knowing Reagan and his ilk are boiling in a lake of molten shit for eternity.
sherlockhooves
Okay guys come on, we need to stop tearing into Reagan. I mean he did some good things. Like in 2004 he died.
MasterMookie
As a European I miss Obama. No big news and a few memes. Nice and calm.
danibiegl365
Yeah, but like, quantitive easing also happened under Obama, and that’s probably the single worse thing to ever happen to the USA, so you know, you win a little you lose a lot.
kimbozo
Pretty much everything negative in america can be contributed to reagan
lildude52ca
Good for Obama... i am very curious to know what he did to reduce the deficit that much! thats amazing!
bippityboppitybuttsex
Ronald Reagan contacted the Iranians before the 1980 election and told them not to release the hostages before the election, extending their internment by months.

This needs to be mentioned every time that traitorous piece of shit is mentioned....
Also:
MakeUpSomethingNoOneHasUsedYet
And he ended the Fairness Doctrine which allowed Fox News (which isn't news) to become the evil that it is.
Alexap30
The known 6 degrees of Reagan.
craiglewis782
I'm from a small farm town in the midwest. One of the staff at my elementary school had a son among the hostages. I have no idea who, I just remember the all the teachers and staff going nuts one day, then we had a big ass parade in town.
Oh shit, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis has their names and home towns, and there's a last name I recognize. Yeah, he's from my hometown. Wild. I kind of thought I imagined it. I would've been 5.
DVSBSTrD
Wow, he cheated and won? Must have been the Dem's fault for not nominating a diverse woman for president.
FlyByGRider
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_October_Surprise_theory
Krackajak78
I'm old enough to remember Reaganomics and all the twinkle down BS.
MarkRavingMad
"But if we just Reaganomics a little harder, we'll get everything back to how it was before Reaganomics!" -Republicans
bippityboppitybuttsex
So, no part of me believes that Republicans want to go back to a New Deal America where a sole provider can pay a mortgage, go on a vacation to Disney World and send a couple of kids to college... they want, well.... this.... A society where a miniscule few have all of the wealth while the bottom 95% wonders how to pay their rent and feed themselves.
MarkRavingMad
You're entirely correct about the Republican party. I was thinking more along the lines of republican voters. They absolutely do what those things (save the tax rates) they just have absolutely no fucking clue how we lost them.
bippityboppitybuttsex
So, Republican politicians know what they want. Money and power.
Republican voters are simps who like being lied to and will change their positions to fit whatever the lie du jour of the day is... so, now they are pro-child rape (pretty obvious given who keeps getting arrested for CSAM), pro-war, pro high-gas prices, pro inflation, pro swamp, pro corruption and pro destroying the working class.
My ability to feel sympathy for the rural poor is falling off a cliff
MarkRavingMad
Pretty much. Though I think you're giving their voters more credit than they're due by implying they're even aware of half that stuff. The GOP pitch to their base is pretty much "Guns, White Jesus, and tax cuts you never actually get".
ragazzino
And the Challenger explosion because addled Reagan had a speech that night, and it didn't matter how cold it was.
TripleDane
EXPLAIN....
rusrsdude
https://www.reaganlibrary.gov/archives/speech/address-nation-explosion-space-shuttle-challenger
Here lol
FlyByGRider
There is no evidence that he rushed the launch to coincide with the State of the Union speech.
ragazzino
"He" had dementia. He didn't "rush" it. It went off on schedule. The speech was already written.
OSRSSailing
But there's also no evidence he didn't do it either. *adjusts foil hat with toes*
FlyByGRider
https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1eXdvOGJ6bnp0Ymx1bzZwbXIzOTk5c2FweWxtYnpvdGg4Y3V2NHlyNyZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/5kG6ahNSfFzwGwWE3W/200w.webp
VegaJuniper
There are plenty of reasons to hate the Reagan adminstration without engaging in this conspiratorial nonsense.
Jarjarthejedi
...Which part of the /confirmed by the Iranian president, declassified CIA memos, campaign staffers for Reagan, and a dude who was on the trip to the middle east alongside the negotiator of the deal/ idea that Reagan cut a deal do you think is a conspiracy theory out of curiosity? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_October_Surprise_theory#
DarthGoodguy
“Confirmed by the Iranian president” No, a decade later a guy in exile said he’d heard his enemies had since it. No direct evidence.
“declassified CIA memo” Also no, there’s a incredibly suspect indirect thing that says there’s a memo. No actual memo.
All the “evidence” is like this. Indirect, circumstantial, rumors. All from people who weren’t involved. All telling completely different versions of the same thing. All starting with a Daily Stormer-level untrustworthy source in 1980.
bippityboppitybuttsex
I am guessing you don't believe Nixon contacted the president of South Vietnam and told him not to make peace with the North before the 1968 election, either?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/02/us/politics/nixon-tried-to-spoil-johnsons-vietnam-peace-talks-in-68-notes-show.html
CorGoBrrrr
Conspiratorial nonsense? The man spent 8 years warping the strongest economy in the world into blatant neofudalism, enriching the elites by gutting social safety nets, public education, labor laws, the guardrails that kept capitalism in check, and so much more. That kind of thing doesn't just happen in a vacuum. That's what historians calls a "turning point." https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M245PqlV328
VegaJuniper
That's what we call "moving the goalposts".
nachosyndicate
Please explain how? Hmm?
VegaJuniper
Did the Iranians cut the social safety nets? Did Ronny go to Teheran, scheme with the Ayatollah on how they would demolish the guardrails that kept capitalism in check?
I can see you are a good little fanatic, but do try to keep up.
DarthGoodguy
You’re getting downvoted but you’re right.
Reagan should rot in Hell, but this thing is an allegation, not a fact.
bippityboppitybuttsex
It is an allegation supported by the evidence way beyond a reasonable doubt. Too many Nixon personnel have testified to their role in the treason.
And the hostages spent another 80 days in captivity because of it, and the one person who absolutely did not give a shit about them was that senile racist fuck, Ronald Reagan.
He is a bottom-tier president who would have gone down as the most destructive president until his heir, trump, put a stake thru the heart of the nation.
LoudBirb
"Nevertheless, several individuals—most notably, former Iranian President Abulhassan Banisadr, former Lieutenant Governor of Texas Ben Barnes, former naval intelligence officer and U.S. National Security Council member Gary Sick, and Barbara Honegger, a former campaign staffer and White House analyst for both Reagan and his successor George H. W. Bush—have stood by the allegation."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_October_Surprise_theory
DarthGoodguy
Yeah, so nobody breathed a word of this for decades? And you believe that Republican John Connally took his political enemy Ben Barnes on an illegal & potentially career destroying five nation tour to enact this conspiracy? And that Barnes never mentioned it, not even during Iran-Contra? And that Congress and an independent counsel investigation just missed finding any further proof?
The problem with just worrying Wikipedia summaries is that you miss all the actual info.
DarthGoodguy
*reading Wikipedia summaries
Ducking auto connect
LoudBirb
Nobody breathed about it for... decades? Robert Dreyfus first published the story in December of 1980 (then a followup in 1983) but he didn't name any of his sources, so it wasn't until after Reagan was out of office that those individuals started to publish their allegations themselves.
Barbara published her tell-all in 1989. Iranian President Abulhassan Banisad and Gary Sick separately published their own books in 1991.
sundaymondayhippyday
The truth hurts just like Reagan policies of trickle into your shoes
DarthGoodguy
The truth is that none of these ppl spoke up about this for decades, through the Iran Contra investigations, an independent counsel, and every journalist who wanted to look into that rat fuck Reagan and his whole sickening career.
Then suddenly Democrat Ben Barnes says Republican John Connally decided to take him, a political rival, along on an extremely illegal and immoral errand while he talked to top officials in five separate countries. And nobody in any of them said anything about it.
DarthGoodguy
(cont’d) I also don’t know why the fuck you’re talking to me like I’m some kind of Reagan fan when I literally said I thought he should rot in Hell.
Please, I’m begging you, spend some more time researching this kind of shit & less time barely looking at comments before you insult people.
wickerandcork
Reagan was a puppet, actor and spokesman. Others held the strings. Those people are still at it.
gablestout
Those people are all dead. Reagan's term ended almost 40 years ago.
akafluffy
Rupert Murdoch is still alive. He's not the only one. Turns out being megarich is great for longevity
gablestout
Rupert Murdoch is 95 and not doing much of anything anymore. He resigned as Executive Chairman of Fox News and NewsCorp 3 years ago. Lachlan Murdoch is in charge now.
akafluffy
I'm well aware, but you said none of them are still alive. Demonstrably untrue, and he has steeped his sons in his avarice and hate for so long that I see no difference between their function in the business, if anything Lachlan is worse.
gablestout
Rupert Murdoch is alive, yes, but he is not pulling any strings anymore.
You can argue that the Murdoch Family is "pulling strings", but Rupert Murdoch, not so much.