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zhenyamos
Plan to get 3070/3080 but at least got lucky and somehow snagged a 1660 super for $260. Now I’m seeing them for like $400 to $600
zepthenoob
Lugh314159
Finally... I can play Fallguys in 4k
zerozugzeit
3090 makes no sense whatsoever even at 1500 USD. 3080 is what, 5% slower but costs half as much? Idiots paying x2...x3 are hiking up prices.
PHCarter
The dark side of PC master race. You can mod high def big tiddy anime girls into literally any game you play, but at what cost?
TokeMcBong
This was me right before Black Friday. Stopped in at my local store and they had 1 on shelf (asus tuf 3080)
antillesw
My prebuilt w a 3080 came today. It’s awesome
EroticZombiePants
My laptop is so old I don't even know what the last game I could actually play on this would be.
workingnonstop247
My roommate had to buy a prebuilt just to get one it’s almost impossible to find
MuffinProof
My 1070 died last October. I was lucky enough to get an rx 560 for €70 end of January. Also, my system is do old the cpu has an on board gpu
Metalsonic91
i got lucky and won a competition from Asus for a 3070
NicolasKevinMac
No idea what a "3090" is, but based on comments, I'm guessing it's a video card?
Timetoupdatemyusername
I have absolutely no idea what this is about. Asking for myself, not a friend... I don't have any.
Ac1dBurn72
I paid for a 3080 through my work. In September. Still hasn't arrived.
HenryLongfellowIII
I heard some places are cancelling the backorders to get higher prices.
Ac1dBurn72
I have heard of this. I'm very much hoping that doesn't happen..
MoonsHaunted
I was lucky enough to get a 3090 a couple of months ago. Lucky random refresh on Newegg
hybridgorilla3131
dont lie scalper
tiderfish
Is it as awesome as it’s made out to be?
MoonsHaunted
It’s dope. And I got super lucky as I got the all white one that matches my theme
GiantSquanchy
IHateHumanInteraction
meh, I only play modded minecraft. Don't really need a super powerful gpu for that :)
GeographyIsWhereItsAt
The original scene was just so good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT_u9Rurrqg
IWasACatAllAlong
Hey Vasquez, youve ever been mistaken for a man?
pigoverthere
Fun fact, after acting, she opened a bra boutique for chick's with big racks. https://jenettebras.com/
IWasACatAllAlong
That issss a pretty fun fact. I hope it was a succes.
Djwaifu02
I got a 2060 super a bit b4 the 30 series came out, kinda hurt seeing new series coming out after I just bought it
petrolhead1987
Same here, got a 5700xt for £300 last January, felt shit when I saw next gen. Soon cheered up when I saw they were selling unicorns for less
DewiMorgan
The 30x0 series just got a speed upgrade with resizable BAR, too. Just to rub it in.
SDgoldilocks
No more “meh?”
GTimgur
Crypto is dumb. :(
metlguy2
I'm rocking my Zotac 3070 OC! Love all those frames I get ?
matrixi0
I have the same one! Got it a month ago. I was lucky, walked in and they had one in stock.
metlguy2
Same here. Local PC shops are great!
DrArsMoriendi
I'm rocking 2080 on desktop and 2060 on laptop from last gen. Hopefully can hold off a couple of years and this will all have passed.
DreadPierateRoberts
I have a 2080 laptop because bi couldn't get ahold of a 3080 for my desktop build. It wíll do until I can get it. Needed a laptop anyway
algoritham
I heard the 20 series are trash for its price point. Even today they still seem pricey to me, years later.
miniatureBear
I mean when I got my 2080 gpus were hard to come by back then too ? needed an upgrade and 1080tis were more expensive
algoritham
A 2060 is NZD750 at my local store, which is even more than the MSRP of a 3060TI, hence my question. Why would I buy a 20 series?? :S
Origind
I don't get it for real
ChetTheRocketStedman
Camped out 16ish hours at a Microcenter for my 3080. Was 3rd in like. Fun experience. Worth it.
bigkingdingaling
How much did it cost and what could you sell it for?
ChetTheRocketStedman
Iirc it was $960ish tax included. This was January and prices change so much. Just looked on eBay and the card I have is selling for $1500+
MadCat221
$1500? Sheesh. I managed to nab a Xotac 3070 from an actual Newegg seller right before CP77 releasedthat was overpriced at $800>
MadCat221
> and now I feel like I lucked out.
WestNiall
Fun Fact : The foster mom is Private Vasquez in Aliens
SplicketyLit
corpofilth
For anyone still blaming scalpers and miners, the truth is actually way more interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A4yk-P5ukY
Myrectumhousesasmallindonesianfamily
Nvidea certainly isn't doing anything to help the situation, but miners are still the root cause.
corpofilth
You didn’t watch the video, did you?
TheGhostofCarrieFisher
I was almost expecting to get Rick rolled
anabobcatz
Am I the only one who has no idea what these numbers mean?
ilhares
If you're a PC gamer and you don't know them, you're grossly behind the curve and need to brush up on the topic. If not, you're fine.
anabobcatz
Literally asking for help here and just being told to brush up...
anabobcatz
Like I don't even know what the 'topic' is... You could at least drop me a hint, damn
ilhares
GPUs. Global chip shortage has drastically reduced the availability of any GPU worth putting into a computer build at this point.
petrolhead1987
anabobcatz
Pah! Join the shortage club.
KTokyo
My 1660 is still doing fine for what I do - but I want a new gen so bad...
physicsisalwaysrelevant
I'm still rocking an 860. Honestly, there isn't much I can't run at decent graphics. My current come point is my hard drive
KTokyo
Get an nvme if your mobo supports it - changes everything
hjf2011
put it to mine? my 1060 mines $30 a month
KTokyo
My electricity is a bit pricey for mining, I just need a good rig for painting and whatnot
corpofilth
Don't be mad at this guy for mining. It's not individuals using their old rigs to mine that are the problem. It's mining farms.
hjf2011
I bought my 1060 in 2016 and I game with it. It's undervolted so it won't be damaged by mining either. What's wrong with making some money?
YayZuko
Mining is still inherently energy inefficient and wasteful. Just because companies are turbofucking the environment doesn't mean...
hjf2011
My area is served by hydro. I'm not "littering".
YayZuko
You're still wasting energy lol, green energy doesn't change that
YayZuko
I'm not going to get frustrated at someone for littering.
dotnetbeast
Honest discussion. How does this problem get solved? Does it even get solved at all?
somepoorjerk
Once the Bitcoin market crashes again there will be another boom in second market gpus. The scalping won’t get solved because they aid the..
somepoorjerk
Manuf in raising the $ through artificial inflation. Scalper sells a 400$ gpu for 700$ and you’ll think the new price of 600$ is a good deal
SarcasticComment
You don't. Imgur needs something to complain about. Why not this?
DianNaoChong
Streaming games is the mainstream future. Phone production has such a great on semiconductors that even with the us trying to make it a
DianNaoChong
Priority, you also have to get through mass production pcs like laptops and Dell first, after cell phones
DianNaoChong
Right now the shortage is looking to continue through at least the end of the year.
algoritham
When people aren't buying them so much. Will take about a year. Linus tech had a pretty good take. People are buying them up so much.
Selfishshishkabob
Reduce demand
Almaadin
Just buy a console.
petrolhead1987
Almaadin
Lol!
MorrighanWolf
Remove the miners.
captainmojojojo
Stop supporting de-cebtralized currencies. They only thing they do is further the wealth divide.
KristanDL
nvidia is setting their new processors to throttle down in half if they spot mining process, also they develop dedicated mining processors
cloel
Make it illegal. Either that or start jumping scalpers. Also put bombs in packages for porch pirates.
hjf2011
It's being solved by Ethereum. The proof of work algorithm is being phased out for proof of stake, mining will be irrelevant then.
Arcanum3000
When is that going to be? I ask because people were talking about it coming soon back in 2016 or so, and it's still not here.
hjf2011
It has started already, phase 0 of Eth 2.0 was launched on dec 1 2020. Seems it'll take about 1 year for the migration.
Arcanum3000
Interesting, I didn't realize that. I'm nevertheless skeptical about whether it will take off, due to the monied interest in mining.
hjf2011
eth miners are small. big money is in btc, with people investing in expensive ASIC miners.
Arcanum3000
Outlaw or heavily tax proof-of-work cryptocurrencies.
hjf2011
Good fucking luck.
TheWhiteBarry
The whole point of decentralized currency is that no one can control it, and it's anonymous until you exchange it for cash so taxing is hard
captainmojojojo
Yes! Seriously researching cryptocurrency for longer than 5 minutes proves how bad an idea it is. Centralized currency is the only system.
Frederf
Central, non-central, how about a currency that doesn't take a GWh to produce enough to buy a pack of gum.
captainmojojojo
Agreed, it's an insane cost, but also how about a currency that isn't so easily, within years of creation, where 80% isn't owned by 8 people
kuriosly
Why do people blame crypto when its so small usage... and to make money on it you use ASICs and dedicated circuits. Not GPUs...
HearMeFart
Sounds like someone is talking about stuff they're not really up to date on.
kuriosly
Modern GPUs are intentionally bad at mining https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2021/02/18/geforce-cmp/
HearMeFart
Some of them. Most of them are not.
Arcanum3000
Everything you said there is incorrect.
kuriosly
Modern GPUs are intentionally bad at mining https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2021/02/18/geforce-cmp/
Arcanum3000
No, Nvidia attempted to hamstring *some* of their GPUs using a combination of firmware and driver alterations. It was quickly worked around.
algoritham
bitcoin mining consumed 0.6% of GLOBAL power consumption last year. More power than the whole of Argentina. For what? Fucking ban it.
kuriosly
Not arguing power. But that’s why it’s not done on GPUs. They are too power inefficient for commercial scale mining.
algoritham
Because they are very fast, being designed to do lots of complex calculations, readily available and can be resold afterwards.
petrolhead1987
A lot of miners tend to under volt the GPUs to make them more efficient.
ahoovypoacher
Nah, once your foster parents are dead that’s kinda it
DaveTheScientist
SoSorryNoImNot
Thanks. Made me laugh
Frederf
Adopt new ones.
quelin
Same way Occulus and Valve rolled out their VR. Signup sheets, and just work thru em. but Nvid aint doing that for some reason.
greystripe11
AMD does what Nvidiain't
cloel
That shit still got pretty damn scalped
quelin
I bit the bullet and bought an Alienware total system. Still cheaper to buy the whole thing just for the 3090 than pay scalper price.
cloel
Been looking at ibuypower and I wanna vomit
quelin
ya. I only did it cause I drove 6hrs to a microcenter and still lost out.
TheRealRhodry
I think it would be pretty easy to do a lottery system. The problem is they don't care as long as their cards are sold.
beejep
There's a worldwide shortage of microprocessors - solve that first I guess
kargadorbruh
If its gfx cards, its datamining. Other electronics, a much needed chip is being made using older tech that cant keep up with sudden demand
kargadorbruh
Foundries that make chips will not invest on older tech that might get obsolete in a decade. Result: Backlog on all chip requiring sectors
dotnetbeast
Ahhhh good point.
halshing
What? Why is there a shortage?
hashbaz
Covid
yourbassist
Crypto mining
roboticKittenTamer
Yeah, it's affecting lots of other things too. For example, Ford & GM have said they've had to slow down or stop production of some vehicles
ComeOnManYouHadOneJobToDo
Yep, happening in the networking equipment world too. We are having to forecast far out just to try to meet production. Or...
ComeOnManYouHadOneJobToDo
Push them to newer equipment that uses in an house chip.
Gameskyjumper
PS5, XSX, PC, Tesla cars, smart phones all need semiconductors. The production slowed down last year due to COVID (China/Taiwan).
borkmeister
Tesla cars? All modern cars require semiconductors.
Zeterai
Yeah but I'd imagine the fully electronic ones will need more on average than a gas-powered car.
mmontour
Also a few fires at semiconductor companies, and that Texas blackout when everything froze.
The701
And possibly coming soon: Drought slowdown. Taiwan didn't get any typhoon hits in 2020, which has left their reservoirs approaching
Delta2Almanac
Silicon shortage
TabascoTheBeagle
Not so much a shortage, companies expected less business at the start of the pandemic, so they ordered less meaning factories are at full --
TabascoTheBeagle
Capacity with what was expected of them to deliver with little way of making more for short term. Silicone is pretty easy n inexpensive to -
MuayThaiwinLannister
And high ass demand
Popohans
BigDaddysMeatWagon
There have been many solutions proposed, issue is the manufacturers haven't even tried.
mrshihtzu
PresentTenseActionVerb
How long do you think it takes to open another fab and sort out the entire supply chain? A GPU has hundreds of components
DavidBrooker
Haven't tried what? Foundries take years to build.
BigDaddysMeatWagon
Supply isn't the issue (I mean it is kinda), one proposed solution is single-use codes given to people in waiting lists.
DavidBrooker
That is in no sense a solution. Maybe it would alleviate some problems, but when aerospace companies cant source 16-bit microcontrollers 1/2
DavidBrooker
and supply shortages on specialized hardware is shutting down automotive assembly lines, pretending this is an issue about retail 2/3
DavidBrooker
(Also, supply is the primary issue. If there were adequate supply to meet demand, scalping wouldn't be possible. Both AMD and Nvidia 1/2
DavidBrooker
have publicly stated that they simply cannot meet demand.)
SplicketyLit
Disincentivize mining - gaming isn’t the primary driver. Increased production just depletes manufacturing resources faster.
noodledude89
The main consumer this time is not mining. It’s everyone building computers for lockdown and working from home.
SplicketyLit
Except that a 10 GPU mining rig can offset 10 of those single GPU builds. Miners are more likely to buy multiples. Still a factor.
DavidBrooker
The current silicon shortage has very little to do with mining. They aren't making things better, mind, but it's affecting all sectors 1/2
DavidBrooker
in ways the mining-caused 2017/2018 shortage didn't exhibit. Mining didn't hurt CPU sales, or specialty semiconductors, microcontrollers 2/3
DavidBrooker
used in automotive or aerospace, or ARM processors, which is happening now. Were looking at a perfect storm of issues. Pandemic related 3/4
DavidBrooker
work stoppages, crippled global transport as shipping volumes are up, mismanaged bulk orders (lots of businesses cut orders on bad covid 4/5
kuriosly
Except this isn't the problem. The root cause is a lack of production capacity at that scale. The factories that were expected to come
ThisFireGrowsHigher
In their pants but never did
Myrectumhousesasmallindonesianfamily
'That scale' is only required when people mine... Fuck crypto
kuriosly
online never did.
corpofilth
To expand on what this guy said https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A4yk-P5ukY
SplicketyLit
That is manufacturing, not manufacturing resources. Increasing production consumes resources faster, driving up prices. Econ 101 stuff
SplicketyLit
Current increased demand (due to mining) increases scarcity and drives up prices. Also econ 101. Mining rigs use way more GPUs than gaming
thisismynamehere
I think you might need to revisit your Econ101. Increased supply will tend to drive down prices. The prob is they can't produce enough.
SplicketyLit
Oh, you mean like consuming available resources to manufacture them, thus increasing scarcity and driving up prices because of unmet demand?