what b.s. is this? are you "too much of a European" to understand fascist, racist, low-IQ, evil assholes stole the election and play dirty to please their billionaire overlords? you might wanna revisit your high horse dumbass stance.
I live more than 2000 kilometers from where the shooting happened, I am horrified and appalled, but I can't even afford to get to the places where bad things are happening.
You're asking why someone in Spain isn't doing anything about events in Germany.
And we're all sick, and broke, and broken down from watching our loved ones turn into Nazis.
"Land Of The Free™ " is just another merchandising slogan to sell reverse mortgages and boner pills... Like "We The People™ " or "The American Dream™ "... freedom was removed from the EULA long ago in exchange for likes and fake internet points... yet somehow the people who crow the loudest about experiencing tyranny and oppression are the ones who eagerly seek to submit their freedoms to those who would subjugate them with brutality and corruption the most.
I'm 45, and the circles I run in, it's not acceptable, nor is anything Trump and his Regime are doing. I'm doing my best to spread the word, backup any information I can, and stand up to these scum bags as best I can. Sadly you're right though, I still see people "Oh they're paid protestors/actors" etc.. fuck off...
For generations conservatives and authoritarians here have been licking boots and blaming victims, it’s second nature for about 40% of the country. They scream about tyranny when someone forgives a student loan and then turn around and go ass up for an actual tyrant
This! I feel like I have been screaming this for days! What happened to a trial by your peers when accused of a crime? So many people are ok that one rogue man, disobeyed protocol, again, and an innocent woman was shot in the face in front of her spouse. Under no circumstances was that ok!
Tell me, what should we do against the most militarized force in the world? All the so called 2nd Amendment activists joined the tyranny the were supposed to oppose the first chance they got. The party that claimed they were all about a small government just financed a private police force that is bigger than any other military in the world. The children of people that fought off the Nazis indoctrinated their children to become fascists. Nothing matters anymore, we are all fucked.
Well you see, any place of the world, is not exceptional. The us was going to turn into a carbon copy of europe eventually. Including europes history, which unfortunatly included, until recently a ton of "You disobey, get wrecked" moments. Like that, was what most germans who migrated to the us, migrated away from. The Kaisers secret police disappearing you. Or the Herzog selling you as mercenaries to colonial powers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hessian_(soldier) So.. its not new..
Its just a xerox. And she did try to run a policeman over. That gets you hunted down violently basically everywhere. Its bad for the retirement plans if people get to do that.
Well, there are some Europeans who are on ICE's side... for example my sister's idiot of a fiancé. I don't really go to FB that much anymore, so I don't come across the shit he posts and comments there, but my other sister told me about it. I did see some comments siding with ICE under a news article and I'm just disgusted by some people. I certainly hope I won't have to hear about any world news next month when I go to a cruise. Last year 2 right wingers cornered me in the bus on the way there.
lol Americans are the most gullible population on earth.
The American dream.. 26'th in social mobility. Education, better be ready for crushing debt. Little to no vacation or sick leave. No maternity leave. ½ the states are actively killing pregnant women. You can quit your job, but then you lose your health care. No health care for poor ppl. Literary just let the die. Mass shooting Medical bankruptcy
Americans staunchly decline any and all freedoms to improve their lives. But hey guns
We’re in an abusive relationship with our government. We’ve been gaslit for so long that we believe that ‘There’s no other government out there that’ll have you’. So we stick with this one hoping that’ll it change and not murder us for asking for health care.
Probably because 1/3 of you voted for this regime while another 1/3 was okay-enough with the regime's very public plans that they didn't even bother to get out to vote.
It's important to remember that you can drive across many European countries in a few hours, when I've spent the better part of the day driving in the same state. Even Americans have a difficult time understanding how large their country is, and how many people it contains.
I'm Canadian and don't buy your bullshit at all. Our smallest provinces are on par with your average state size and none of this fascist nonsense is a problem up here. Smarten up and make a real argument instead of gaslighting people for having a smaller footprint.
Also try driving across Quebec or Ontario, THAT takes the "better part of a day" not some lazy fatass American's version where they stop for hotdogs and nachos and diet coke every forty minutes to catch their breath.
Our country is run by 535 members of congress. Each citizen gets to vote for exactly THREE of those positions. And, we do vote for president, but even the one with fewer votes can be elected, as we've seen twice already in the 2000s. Once elected, a president appoints a fuckton of people no one voted for. And finally, we have a system IN PLACE that is supposed to prevent literally Donald Trump from being elected, and for reasons no one knows, most of that process was actually made illegal.
Why make up shit to be sarcastic? Not a good look. You're the one who keeps falsely saying we do nothing at all to stop it. I was pointing out why it's very difficult for us to do anything about it.
Honest answer from an Italian, and willing to be teached if i'm wrong: 'cause to get where you're right now, it needs to be a whole society problem. I can't understand the amount of racism and ... "hate for everyone else than isn't part of my circle" used by Trump to win the election if this isn't exactly what is deeply embroided in the US society; and also we see you pay with the life of your students for 2nd amendment that it should already have been used but instead nothing happens. 1/2
Racism and bigotry had been pretty well compartmentalized. You could find yourself in a rural area and be accepted as a non-white person, or given glaring eye cold shoulder treatment. Most larger cities have a lot of integration, so there's less of it.
The trouble is, this nation would never tackle racism head on. We were taught about the Civil Rights movements of the 1960's and the importance of Dr. Martin Luther King... but it ended there. As if the problems were solved. They weren't.
From here we don't hear any Democrat voice -other than Sanders, and this only if you get news from the web - so the image we have is that US is a nation soaked with racism, egoism, bigotry and ignorance. Honestly, the only differences between who's in power in the US and the Taleban is the god they say to worship and amount of money and weapons available. It is obvious that there's willing ppl against this all, they march, they protest, and for sure they do any act of kindness they can ... 2/3
... to make things better, But seen as a nation, US is like historical Nazi Germany.
I won't include Fascist Italy in the comparison 'cause we had the partisans agains fascism from the very beginning (which is something i would have expected from US ppl), and also we were a very poor and ignorant nations at the time, but i see how this is debatable and i'll accept any disagree at this. I get that you feel hurt in the generalization, it is the same for me. But from here, US now is scaring.
Yes *and* no. It’s complicated. So while you’re right that this is systemic and essential to some degree, it hasn’t always been like *this*. I’m no apologist, I find myself closer to “abolitionist” on any given day, but there’s a subtle bit of logic at play here that complicates it — while it’s always been this to some degree, it hasn’t always been this to THIS degree. So surely it’s systemic, but equally as surely, this state of disrepair also has to have some other structural cause.
Yeah. IMGUR comments are'nt the best way to discuss about this all; also my self-taught english isn't good enough, and also i'm a programmer and not very skilled in "large social behaviour analysis".
But the guy felt somewhat hurt, and i understand him 'cause i get the same when italian are generalized as a nation, so I tried to explain how it is from this side of the pond :-)
It very scary here. If you push back any, you are watched, targeted, possibly arrested… and now could be killed. It will have to be a civil war in my opinion to make this right. I hate that. I don’t want any war. Who knows if that would work. It’s bad and I know it will get worse. I hope the other countries understand several of us don’t agree with what is happening.
And it's not like we're dealing with fucking muskets and bayonets here. They are the biggest military power in the world and have crazy technology that we can do nothing against. Even the people that have entire rooms in their house dedicated to their massive arsenals can do nothing against what the military could do to us in a second without thought. And the powers that be know it. It is infuriating to feel this powerless, especially since it's lose/lose anyway.
We do, but many of us cannot comprehend how he got reelected. And why Americans are sooooo dumb/uninformed/ignorant/racist that they will destroy their own lives by voting for a convicted sexual predator, verified serial liar, insurrectionist conman. Or not caring enough to prevent him from getting a second term.
I didn't want to do it, but I observed the right by tuning into right-wing programs and social media silos.
You would not believe how bad it is. I have no idea how much of what I saw represents the land... but I'll wager that a lot of people who voted Republican did so because of so much disinformation influence.
Disinformation is a terrible thing. And when major news outlets push it, it's a dangerous thing. US gov't needs to do something about it. It's worse than the lax gun laws.
MAGA is a cult. And they account for a great many of the 29% of the population who voted for him. He tells them what they want to hear, that they're special, that they're smart, and that it's okay to hate people based on the color of their skin, or their gender, or their sexual orientation. He tells them they're right, and everyone else is wrong. And they love him for it.
As for the 1/3 who didn't vote at all? They just didn't want to vote for a Black woman.
herejusttopointouterrors
what b.s. is this? are you "too much of a European" to understand fascist, racist, low-IQ, evil assholes stole the election and play dirty to please their billionaire overlords? you might wanna revisit your high horse dumbass stance.
clonedeeznuts
There's an asterisk at the end of it that says "for rich whites"
StillScreamingIntoTheVoid
I live more than 2000 kilometers from where the shooting happened, I am horrified and appalled, but I can't even afford to get to the places where bad things are happening.
You're asking why someone in Spain isn't doing anything about events in Germany.
And we're all sick, and broke, and broken down from watching our loved ones turn into Nazis.
CallMeMcGyver
"Land Of The Free™ " is just another merchandising slogan to sell reverse mortgages and boner pills... Like "We The People™ " or "The American Dream™ "... freedom was removed from the EULA long ago in exchange for likes and fake internet points... yet somehow the people who crow the loudest about experiencing tyranny and oppression are the ones who eagerly seek to submit their freedoms to those who would subjugate them with brutality and corruption the most.
thanatos777
There is nothing Americans love more than the taste of boot.
Imadethisaccounttopost
I'm 45, and the circles I run in, it's not acceptable, nor is anything Trump and his Regime are doing.
I'm doing my best to spread the word, backup any information I can, and stand up to these scum bags as best I can.
Sadly you're right though, I still see people "Oh they're paid protestors/actors" etc.. fuck off...
nation543
"Land of the free" is just propaganda to get us to think that we're the best. It's more like, "Land of the Free™ "
Pelican3
This happens to poor minorities on a daily basis. Rene Good happened to be a white soccer mom so it’s getting some attention.
XXXSpork
For generations conservatives and authoritarians here have been licking boots and blaming victims, it’s second nature for about 40% of the country. They scream about tyranny when someone forgives a student loan and then turn around and go ass up for an actual tyrant
Mgxr44
lol, not just conservatives dude. How many liberals politicians are for even ice reform let alone police reform in general
BrandiJuh
As far as I can see, no one is talking about Epstein today, so I'm sure dump is counting this as a win.
DaisyfromDownunder
Not "Free" struggling to be "Cheap".
Laurifish
This! I feel like I have been screaming this for days! What happened to a trial by your peers when accused of a crime? So many people are ok that one rogue man, disobeyed protocol, again, and an innocent woman was shot in the face in front of her spouse. Under no circumstances was that ok!
Osiricus
Tell me, what should we do against the most militarized force in the world? All the so called 2nd Amendment activists joined the tyranny the were supposed to oppose the first chance they got. The party that claimed they were all about a small government just financed a private police force that is bigger than any other military in the world. The children of people that fought off the Nazis indoctrinated their children to become fascists. Nothing matters anymore, we are all fucked.
PicassoCT
Well you see, any place of the world, is not exceptional. The us was going to turn into a carbon copy of europe eventually. Including europes history, which unfortunatly included, until recently a ton of "You disobey, get wrecked" moments. Like that, was what most germans who migrated to the us, migrated away from. The Kaisers secret police disappearing you. Or the Herzog selling you as mercenaries to colonial powers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hessian_(soldier) So.. its not new..
PicassoCT
Its just a xerox. And she did try to run a policeman over. That gets you hunted down violently basically everywhere. Its bad for the retirement plans if people get to do that.
randomdragon
Go kill yourself, fascist bootlicker,
TheMightyMollusk
Land of the fees, home of the wage slaves.
Lontri
Well, there are some Europeans who are on ICE's side... for example my sister's idiot of a fiancé. I don't really go to FB that much anymore, so I don't come across the shit he posts and comments there, but my other sister told me about it. I did see some comments siding with ICE under a news article and I'm just disgusted by some people. I certainly hope I won't have to hear about any world news next month when I go to a cruise. Last year 2 right wingers cornered me in the bus on the way there.
debob
Land of the Free*
*if you have lobby money
CambreathdTheSecound
lol Americans are the most gullible population on earth.
The American dream.. 26'th in social mobility.
Education, better be ready for crushing debt.
Little to no vacation or sick leave.
No maternity leave.
½ the states are actively killing pregnant women.
You can quit your job, but then you lose your health care.
No health care for poor ppl. Literary just let the die.
Mass shooting
Medical bankruptcy
Americans staunchly decline any and all freedoms to improve their lives. But hey guns
CambreathdTheSecound
sigh imgur there thank for removing most of the line breaks in there, it really help the readability /s
Rascael
Current conditions are EXACTLY what the 2nd Amendment is about but all the "2A FReeDUMB" people are now employed with ICE...
battleofhastings1066
That excuse is wearing thin. If you're able to arm yourself, do so. Then get trained. Maga is armed, but they can't shoot for shit.
SilverFoxChaser
Current America is what happens when you destroy the education system and replace it with advertising.
Phosphatidylethanolamine
https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1d2g0MmdsbWdleWRxZWJqNDh2ejZpaGF6b3lvMXEwcGY4a3B4dThkMyZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/l2Sq7mTH8vxqsuiuA/200w.webp
cytherians
Replace education with no direction and every sign post is an ad leading to a movie, TV show, or sports game.
Whiskeyjelly
We’re in an abusive relationship with our government. We’ve been gaslit for so long that we believe that ‘There’s no other government out there that’ll have you’. So we stick with this one hoping that’ll it change and not murder us for asking for health care.
malachipyronomicon
We're also convinced that it can't get any better than this.
chingadamadrex
Did you just say the H WORD…. ?? It was nice knowing you.
conklin5
Hey, quiet down with all that HC talk. You'll get us all pinched.
buttcreambandit
No other government will have us bro
7qd26tttv7
No other SOCIETY.
MahadmaGaudi
What? The land of the free? Whoever told you that is your enemy! -RATM
enderite
We teach them young by letting the kids get shot in school and doing nothing about it…

MyOtherAccountIsAlsoARollsRoyce
Hahahahah... "Land of the free... Lol Good one!
cytherians
Land of the free-dumb.
TI99Kitty
And home of the brave...
...ly shooting people to death while they're fleeing.
mjperk
I hate hearing it. I haven't repeated that propaganda tag line since high school a couple decades ago.
Phimukhi
BobAllen2004
I honestly can't understand why if something happens here, Europeans think that makes it perfectly acceptable to everyone here.
arpsalott
op is talking about half of the Americans this is actually acceptable to
zombiejedediah
Well. You do seem to put up with a lot of crap.
Blackfinity
Probably because 1/3 of you voted for this regime while another 1/3 was okay-enough with the regime's very public plans that they didn't even bother to get out to vote.
battleofhastings1066
It's important to remember that you can drive across many European countries in a few hours, when I've spent the better part of the day driving in the same state. Even Americans have a difficult time understanding how large their country is, and how many people it contains.
7qd26tttv7
I'm Canadian and don't buy your bullshit at all. Our smallest provinces are on par with your average state size and none of this fascist nonsense is a problem up here. Smarten up and make a real argument instead of gaslighting people for having a smaller footprint.
Also try driving across Quebec or Ontario, THAT takes the "better part of a day" not some lazy fatass American's version where they stop for hotdogs and nachos and diet coke every forty minutes to catch their breath.
battleofhastings1066
This you?
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/08/07/uuiw-a07.html<.html">https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/08/07/uuiw-">br>ht">.html">https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/08/07/uuiw-a07.html
https://www.counterfire.org/article/the-far-right-is-regrouping-in-canada/
https://www.cbc.ca/newsinteractives/features/fascist-fight-club
I'm happy to hear that you don't have a fascism problem in canada. Many of us in the US didn't recognize ours until it was too late.
7qd26tttv7
Difference is we don't elect them into senior offices lol get a clue.
HerrWinter87
Because you don't do fuck all to stop it.
BobAllen2004
Our country is run by 535 members of congress. Each citizen gets to vote for exactly THREE of those positions. And, we do vote for president, but even the one with fewer votes can be elected, as we've seen twice already in the 2000s. Once elected, a president appoints a fuckton of people no one voted for. And finally, we have a system IN PLACE that is supposed to prevent literally Donald Trump from being elected, and for reasons no one knows, most of that process was actually made illegal.
HerrWinter87
Oh no, then there is absolutely nothing anyone can do. I understand.
BobAllen2004
Why make up shit to be sarcastic? Not a good look. You're the one who keeps falsely saying we do nothing at all to stop it. I was pointing out why it's very difficult for us to do anything about it.
HerrWinter87
What exactly are you doing except complaining?
parduz
Honest answer from an Italian, and willing to be teached if i'm wrong:
'cause to get where you're right now, it needs to be a whole society problem. I can't understand the amount of racism and ... "hate for everyone else than isn't part of my circle" used by Trump to win the election if this isn't exactly what is deeply embroided in the US society; and also we see you pay with the life of your students for 2nd amendment that it should already have been used but instead nothing happens. 1/2
cytherians
Racism and bigotry had been pretty well compartmentalized. You could find yourself in a rural area and be accepted as a non-white person, or given glaring eye cold shoulder treatment. Most larger cities have a lot of integration, so there's less of it.
The trouble is, this nation would never tackle racism head on. We were taught about the Civil Rights movements of the 1960's and the importance of Dr. Martin Luther King... but it ended there. As if the problems were solved. They weren't.
parduz
From here we don't hear any Democrat voice -other than Sanders, and this only if you get news from the web - so the image we have is that US is a nation soaked with racism, egoism, bigotry and ignorance. Honestly, the only differences between who's in power in the US and the Taleban is the god they say to worship and amount of money and weapons available.
It is obvious that there's willing ppl against this all, they march, they protest, and for sure they do any act of kindness they can ... 2/3
parduz
... to make things better, But seen as a nation, US is like historical Nazi Germany.
I won't include Fascist Italy in the comparison 'cause we had the partisans agains fascism from the very beginning (which is something i would have expected from US ppl), and also we were a very poor and ignorant nations at the time, but i see how this is debatable and i'll accept any disagree at this.
I get that you feel hurt in the generalization, it is the same for me. But from here, US now is scaring.
casualgenderquestion2718
Yes *and* no. It’s complicated. So while you’re right that this is systemic and essential to some degree, it hasn’t always been like *this*. I’m no apologist, I find myself closer to “abolitionist” on any given day, but there’s a subtle bit of logic at play here that complicates it — while it’s always been this to some degree, it hasn’t always been this to THIS degree. So surely it’s systemic, but equally as surely, this state of disrepair also has to have some other structural cause.
parduz
Yeah. IMGUR comments are'nt the best way to discuss about this all; also my self-taught english isn't good enough, and also i'm a programmer and not very skilled in "large social behaviour analysis".
But the guy felt somewhat hurt, and i understand him 'cause i get the same when italian are generalized as a nation, so I tried to explain how it is from this side of the pond :-)
casualgenderquestion2718
No worries, you didn’t do anything wrong! I just hope my comment helped clarify :) and I appreciate the insight!! (Even when it hurts)
sunshineflavor
It very scary here. If you push back any, you are watched, targeted, possibly arrested… and now could be killed. It will have to be a civil war in my opinion to make this right. I hate that. I don’t want any war. Who knows if that would work. It’s bad and I know it will get worse. I hope the other countries understand several of us don’t agree with what is happening.
pollypocketfullofposies
And it's not like we're dealing with fucking muskets and bayonets here. They are the biggest military power in the world and have crazy technology that we can do nothing against. Even the people that have entire rooms in their house dedicated to their massive arsenals can do nothing against what the military could do to us in a second without thought. And the powers that be know it. It is infuriating to feel this powerless, especially since it's lose/lose anyway.
ricpaul
We do, but many of us cannot comprehend how he got reelected. And why Americans are sooooo dumb/uninformed/ignorant/racist that they will destroy their own lives by voting for a convicted sexual predator, verified serial liar, insurrectionist conman. Or not caring enough to prevent him from getting a second term.
cytherians
I didn't want to do it, but I observed the right by tuning into right-wing programs and social media silos.
You would not believe how bad it is. I have no idea how much of what I saw represents the land... but I'll wager that a lot of people who voted Republican did so because of so much disinformation influence.
Disinformation is a terrible thing. And when major news outlets push it, it's a dangerous thing. US gov't needs to do something about it. It's worse than the lax gun laws.
TI99Kitty
MAGA is a cult. And they account for a great many of the 29% of the population who voted for him. He tells them what they want to hear, that they're special, that they're smart, and that it's okay to hate people based on the color of their skin, or their gender, or their sexual orientation. He tells them they're right, and everyone else is wrong. And they love him for it.
As for the 1/3 who didn't vote at all? They just didn't want to vote for a Black woman.
sunshineflavor