Altanese
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Don't be ridiculous
Cause it's not as if all of these things have been done
FP edit:
Lots of people have brought up that the military would not support a Trump coup. That's great and all, but even if there wasn't support from even the smallest handful of soldiers, what about the OTHER government agencies? There are federal, state, and local departments that have been given military equipment for decades. Those people have already gone this far carrying out Trump's orders. How much further might they be willing to go? And will the military be willing to stop them if those agents DO support a Trump coup? And what about any potential state governments that stand with or against Trump whether he wins or loses? My intent is not to say 'military bad, mindless drones', but all of this put together is very scary even with the military on the side of the people.
HeHeHebieJeebies
Looking for all the other agencies lining up each night to protect Americans right's to assemble and protest.. Cricket... Cricket...
Sec109
Never have I wanted the cia to flex that domestic op more than now
gatewater
He has hundreds of secret police on the streets already...
tarkus10
Practice run in progress.
Imissmycats
Tbh, i have a feeling "the powers that be" would kill Trump and family before letting them turn America into a dictatorship, heck, his days-
Imissmycats
are numbered even if he doesn't go dictator, who would take the chance of Trump using secrets of state as ammo to get further?
sykoticflaw
Running the country as an authoritarian dictatorship would help enrich the 1% that already hold power. It's not hyperbole to say that this
sykoticflaw
is something they would absolutely push for.
PersonalityFire
I read "progress" as "congress" for a sec, and just kind of nodded. They're letting this happen- have been for 3+ years. Death to the GOP.
MayYourFaceChipAndShatter
As a kid, I used to wish we lived in the US. Now I wish Canada had a border wall.
Tairu8
I would hope the people closest to him in the military would make him leave. However what he’s going to try to do is make the results seem
hufwungpu
If he loses in any fashion, on Jan. 20th (i think) he is no longer the president no matter what fit he throws.
Tairu8
illegitimate first, so that him staying isn’t an act of defiance but him fighting the results of a rigged election that he really won
Altanese
Precisely this. So many people aren't even considering how bad this could get and flatly dismissing any notion of it.
CoBr2
I recognize how bad this could get, but military leadership seems to have made their position clear and pretty sure every other government
CoBr2
agency combined would get squashed by the military. We've been getting 1/3+ of discretionary budget for long enough it wouldn't be a contest
Altanese
Maybe, maybe not. Even if it were crushed though, you can't deny that it would be devastating. Even if not by body count, then by 1/
thisisjustadrill
I recall a premonition saying that a black man would be the last US President...hm....
PicassoCT
W40k: Trump is the emperor of man, will die on a golden toilet, kept alive by sacrifice of the sane and be the beacon in the void
CandleToad
sadurdaynight
US military better get ready to have a coup come election day. Trump's hiring a private army to fight US civilians.
sadurdaynight
Rolling out private gestapo around the country now, so folks will be used to them and won't resist when he uses them on election day to 1/
sadurdaynight
shutdown poll locations that might skew in Biden's favor, and kidnap voters that might vote against him. Plant some a-holes in the voter 2/
sadurdaynight
lines to start some shit, and have an excuse to swoop in with the secret police. Folks think this is fear-mongering, but we're watching 3/
sadurdaynight
as we're sliding down the slippery slope./
AngryGraphicDesigner
It wasn't 1984, it was 2020.
Dedededededededede
And say the military DOES attempt to stop the other federal agencies from supporting him. Say some state troops join in. This is called war
TheMadOnion
Honestly I think Trump is intentionally making this outbreak worse so he can declare martial law before the 3rd to circumvent the election.
inchoroi
I'm a little worried.
Illbealrighty
I fully believe in this "conspiracy theory" although at present it's more of a "whacky prediction"
pemgur
Just vote already.
activeracer28
Military will be mostly against trump. Hes got a huge list of things hes done to hurt the members belief in him.
garbageboye
Because if there's one thing the American military & police are typically known for, it's opposing the right.
Altanese
He's also done a huge list of things to hurt the people in MAGA hats who continue to follow every step he takes without question.
Guidocat
You have to have a college degree to be an officer. You have to prove you didn't finish high school to get a maga hat.
tacticalattackterriers
Whoa there, educated people can be easily manipulated too. It's just less likely.
Guidocat
That's true, large majority of intelligent Republican officers and scientists in defense and military did not vote for trump.
parrotPositivityDog
Trump has broken so many laws but the conservatives fully support him.Why do you think the military,for example,will suddenly disobey Trump?
daisymyrt
Agree. I don’t see anyone or anything stopping him. It’s a Groundhog Day nightmare.
tpanyS
Except that come January 20th if trump somehow manages to halt the election process, he's still done and Pelosi becomes acting President.
zaphalie
Not American here, could you explain how that would work?
tpanyS
So basically not long ago actually, congress made it law that presidential terms end explicitly on January 20th. On that day we (1/?)
tpanyS
either swear in a president (whether new or returning) or a chain of succession engages past the administration, which means the (2/?)
311WasAnInsideJob
Because the joint chiefs have pushed back against him publicly already. The Feds are doing this shit, not our military. The Gens. hate him
SomeDetroitGuy
https://www.jcs.mil/Portals/36/Documents/CJCS%20Memo%20to%20the%20Joint%20Force%20(02JUN2020).pdf
BaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaBATMAN
Why would they obey him if he's no longer the current president? At one point he's just not in command anymore.
parrotPositivityDog
The point is Trump WILL dispute. SCOTUS, majority Trump’s judges, will give him the presidency like they did for Bush jr in 2000.
LewdSomnambulist
You can violate the constitution until somebody stops you.
METROlD
Like this? (NSFW: risky click) https://imgur.com/account/favorites/s1ieyY9
Altanese
I'm ready and willing to join any armed conflict that stops him. Hopefully it doesn't come to that, but there you go.
SecretlyThreeDucksInAManSuit
I would have said that's ridiculous, but I was saying that about a Trump presidency back in 2016.
Livingexistence
We would literally have a second civil war... but our actual military vs the corrupt government agencies....
4thwalled
It won't be military, it'll be private military. Betsy Davos brother, Eric Prince.
4thwalled
oohblammo
DOJ which is run by Bill Barr, Trump toady extraordinaire? The guy that ostensibly is responsible for the unidentifiable Portland abductors?
williamrichards
(1) I keep seeing abduction. Not doubting this, but it's there a surge of missing person cases happening? By all accounts people are getting
williamrichards
(2) dropped off at the local PD when they don't leave the areas they're not supposed to be in.
Guidocat
Can someone answer this? What is the outcome of the abductions? Any cases not accounted for?
oohblammo
Even so, not their jurisdiction, no authority to make arrests and still violation of 4th Amendment, appearing to be meant to intimidate.
oohblammo
It's not a citizen's arrest, waiting for authorities, it's no ID feds picking up people in unmarked vans.
Altanese
Firstly does any of that make it better somehow? Secondly no, they aren't breaking any rules, they're being arrested at random.
williamrichards
Not breaking any rules? Really?
Altanese
Yes, really.
wasserhund
Doesn’t matter, the military will not do it. They have an oath to uphold the constitution, this is just silly.
Copperbrat
Not the US military anyway.
brainstream
But if the election was challenged, and not decided by Jan 3rd 2021, whose orders do the military follow?
tallsilky
.. So did he.
Altanese
Even if the military 100% did not support Trump, what about the other heavily armed agencies that have proven time and again that they do?
wasserhund
The military will uphold the constitution, if trump is not following, the military will take decisive action.
Altanese
How can you say that with such unwavering certainty when it has *never* happened in American history, and in the history of every nation 1/
Altanese
where it HAS happened, it has *never* been that clear cut.
wasserhund
In theory, it could happen. I just can’t imagine a military, in which I served, to blatantly go against the constitution.
SaltyCoastie
The military wouldn't follow him.
sykoticflaw
Enough of them would. I was Army for 12 years, still work for the military as a contractor. There are more than enough soldiers itching for
sykoticflaw
their "first CONUS kill." Their words. The first civil war to spark will be one within the military itself.
mrmeeseekslookatmee
The Reichswehr wouldn’t deploy against their own citizens either — but the SA and SS would... w/ great relish.
PlankTableGo
Military skews conservative. They will follow him like all the other right-wing lemmings.
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sykoticflaw
Army for 12 years. I work for the military still as a civilian. There are enough rabid Trump supporters that the first civil war will be
sykoticflaw
within the military itself. And there are enough Trump-supporting brigade and higher commanders for it to be a concern.
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Guidocat
Trump isnt conservative. Military officers are college educated and intelligent. Trump hasnt had support from much military leadership.
violetbob
That is utter horseshit
Altanese
Can you say that with certainty? That not even a handful would join him and cause damage?
CocaineAndSelfPleasure
Obviously not. Though he’s certainly done nothing to engender support there however. In fact he’s continually shit on them.
violetbob
They have a contractual duty to follow their commander in chief and not some shlub. So yeah...it can be said with relative certainty.
Altanese
And if Trump disputes the election if he loses? That gives a good out for people to say 'he is still the commander in chief though'
violetbob
Which people? The person who gets sworn into office is the prez, not the dude contesting it.
Altanese
That's the thing though. What happens if a President says 'no, the election is wrong' ? It has never happened before in this country.
cantspellmanslaughterwithoutlaughter
Yes, stop this pathetic fear mongering. The US obeys the order of the President but above all else is LOYAL TO THE CONSTITUTION FIRST.
Altanese
The point is that if the President is claiming he should still be President because the election is fraudulent, who do they believe?
cantspellmanslaughterwithoutlaughter
He will lose by a significant margin. But even if he isn't, barring an insane Supreme Court decision, the military WON'T back him. Christ!
Altanese
Fine, you win, no damage whatsoever if Trump says the election is null. It won't matter *in the slightest* if he tries to contest the 1/
spookyu
Dude, I was enlisted, I can at least say I wouldn't and my peers would've upheld their oath, nothing more and nothing less. If you need some
spookyu
some small comfort know the military has built in ethics as ironic as that is. It's literally an institutionalized aspect of serving.
spookyu
This can be seen in our training, learning about lawful orders, rules of engagement, ethical standards in leadership. It is quantifiable.
spookyu
Which is more than most elected officials ever have under their belt. Our military will serve it's people, not oppress them.
spookyu
Your average grunt might night be able to say posse comitatus but I promise he knows the implications of it.
Sparkes99
There is a difference between a handful and an Army. The military as a whole wouldn’t join him.
Altanese
As a whole? Of course not. Enough to make it messy? Definitely. Enough for a civil war? We'll see.
violetbob
Do you know how the military works, like, at all? We're not goddamn hired mercenaries.
Altanese
Tell that to the man who has tried to hire you out to Saudi Arabia and bragged about turning you into mercenaries.
ontarioOT
Yeah but what's the tipping point? Assume similar numbers to the general population, and that's about 1/3 of military personnel that still 1
ontarioOT
support trump. Even if only half of those are on board with military rule, you're still looking at over 200,000 trained personnel.
Datarage
But not all in combat, and more importantly, the majority are gonna take the infrastructure with them, shoot move communicate doesn’t work..
SomeDetroitGuy
Yes. I can say it with certainty. https://www.jcs.mil/Portals/36/Documents/CJCS%20Memo%20to%20the%20Joint%20Force%20(02JUN2020).pdf
Altanese
Let's assume for a moment that even if every single member of the military, from the highest ranking generals to the lowliest of privates 1/
Altanese
is completely set against Trump if he tries to order them to support him in a coup, you forget there are other heavily armed federal, 2/
Altanese
state, and local agencies that are itching for a fight and who have proven they will go to any lengths Trump orders them. Is it really 3/
rajaat
The military already reminded its ranks of their oath recently. Seems they are quite ready to not follow him on this. If we assume the 1/2
rajaat
worst then in that scenario it would be the worst. The reality is likely quite different. Goes against culture. 2/2
rajaat
Also, har har I plan well, a number of military leaders have expressed that Trump is a dumb shit. They don't respect him.
Mack1986
I get what this guy is saying but the guys in Portland arent the military. For the 100th time. It's a bunch of random federal agents
tpanyS
And even at that the main federal agents doing funky shit are CBP guys who aren't all that scary nor all that big in number to really (1/?)
tpanyS
help trump somehow stay in power come the 20th of January. (2/2)
Altanese
No but the military HAS been called in to support police, even if it is mostly to just stand around, and then there's Trump's threats
Datarage
The national guard is different from the -military- to be fair.
Altanese
The national guard is part of the reserves of the US Army and US Air Force
Datarage
But under the command of the individual states as opposed to federal, or the constitution
Datarage
Not that it makes it any better, it’s still escalation of force but I don’t want to be lumped in with this
TheTravelingAirman
NG is both state and federal, beholden to state and federal chains and constitutions. Which is currently boss depends on activation type.
TheRobbieB
Functionally, whats the difference between "the military" and "federal agents" when they have access to the same equipment and gov backing?
TheTravelingAirman
Numbers, discipline, and trust.
TheRobbieB
Numbers sure, discipline? Debatable. Trust? From whose point of view?
TheTravelingAirman
Military? Definitely more discipline, and trust? We've come a long way since Vietnam
TheRobbieB
Can we ask Iraqi and Afghan civilians circa 2003 to current about discipline and trust?
InternetAnonymityplz
Numbers and training. Especially if the military not only doesn't support but opposes any sort of tyrannical shenanigans.
minimalatheist
Nothing... People are afraid to say it as it is, he's sending armed mercenaries.
Mack1986
Wait are they soldiers. Mercenaries. Or federal agents. You cant even keep your conspiracies straight. These are federal agents
ijdod
If they’re indeed federal agents, they’re not mercenaries
tpanyS
You realize all the 'same equipment' you see those guys largely wearing is literally easily obtained by civilians too right?
TheRobbieB
Yup, well aware. Does that change the functional difference between the military and federal agents here though?
Mack1986
Yes. Because the military and federal agents have different levels of authority. Training and legally mandated powers
tpanyS
Except there are no "military" agents here. CBP nor FPS are military agents. They are federal agents/officers, the former of which (1/?)
tpanyS
seems to have largely been supplemented with people who like trump not surprisingly but they're still not even close to "a power" in (2/?)
ShadeFawks
To be fair the thugs he dent out aren't military, join chief of staffs shut him down when he tried to call them to DC for the protests there
Neurisko
It's worse because they're untrained amateurs with the lethal tools reserved for 18 year olds with at least 7 weeks of training.
sadurdaynight
"To be fair"... Trump is using DHS to hire private military that answers to him and Barr. That's not fair, that's f'ing scary.
sliveroflight
It's not nearly large enough.
DoYouWantAnts
To be faaaiiiirrrrrr
Rehjee
Cause thats how you get ants.
Samja192
Does it matter if they are military if they have access to military equipment?
duhqueenmoki
The federal officers in Portland are from the U.S. Marshals Special Operations Group, a SWAT-like unit from U.S. Customs and Border Protecti
duhqueenmoki
And the Federal Protective Service. Source below
duhqueenmoki
https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/2020/07/20/893082598/they-just-started-whaling-violence-tension-as-u-s
kingwahene
Ninjainslippers
It's gonna get wild when the military is fighting DHS and citizens have to pick a side or create a new faction.
kitterskills
This is important.
Altanese
And what if Trump tried to give direct orders to troops whether the joint chiefs like it or not?
RelativeVelocity
We will not heed him.
Altanese
I would hope not.
Tyanet
I understand your concern, but that’s not really how the military works. First, most commanders have the same level of integrity that...
Tyanet
...the joint chiefs do, since most officers are cut from the same cloth, but that’s also not how orders are passed down. Formal written...
Tyanet
...orders are complicated things, and the president can’t just issue a broad declaration to the military and expect the lower level...
Tyanet
...commanders to subvert the authority of their superiors. Federal LE agencies is a totally different matter however.
johnnyboy1996
I took an oath to defend the people from terrorism, i don't think I'd be the only one to uphold that
Altanese
And I am glad to hear that.
Sm9yCg
What exactly stops him from firing the joint chiefs that defy him?
Altanese
Checks and balances usually but we've seen how that works.
Sm9yCg
Exactly.
Kumonryu42
The military doesn't listen to the president, they listen to their CO.
Altanese
What about those other heavily armed government agencies, then?
Kumonryu42
I can't speak for them, but if they bend knee to Trump, they're traitors and should be treated as such.
Altanese
Well said, but if they do bend to Trump, you can't argue that it won't be a mess.
FallenJester
Hey man, take a breather. A few deep breaths, you're kind of all over the place here
Altanese
All over the place in what regard?
ShadeFawks
All.members of the military take an oath to follow the constitution first, which says member of the military are not to bear arms on >
perfecteye18
Trump took an oath of office
Kbantar
I bet they also took oaths to not commit illegal torture even when ordered to do so. We all know how that turns out.
JHawke
*looks at police oaths, and governer oaths, and presidential oaths* Yep, no way this one can be broken!
ShadeFawks
American citizens on American soil. So if they are worth anything they'd follow that and ignore him.
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ShadeFawks
They ate not military, border patrol is a different group
Caffynated
That isn't in the constitution. Lincoln used the Army to end riots, Eisenhower used them for integration.
Mersenaire
It was because the national guard back a racist governor who refused to enforce a law passed in congress so the president stepped in.
Altanese
And yet there is a problem in the military with some soldiers and even officers being big QAnon fans. Besides, it's not as if other 1/
RelativeVelocity
An officer is only a lonely screaming retard if we disobey his unlawful orders. Many "friendly fire" accidental death of officers in 'Nam
Altanese
soldiers in other conflicts throughout history never went back on their oaths when civil wars started.
ChargeTwixtMeKnave
Unlawful orders are not to be followed. This is in the oath of enlistment.
Altanese
If only oaths could never be broken, or the definition of 'unlawful' weren't debatable.
ChargeTwixtMeKnave
The point is the president can give an unlawful order, and even an E1 has the right and duty to NOT carry it out.
Altanese
Which is great and all, but how many of those rules apply to the heavily militarized police and federal agencies that have already 1/
iamamentat
A military friend of mine explained this as well. Referred to the Mai Lei massacre. (Probably misspelled).
RedPandaDeluxe
Im not 100% sure, but what he has done and said, Im thinkin the military would so 'ummm no'
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LunaLeMoon
I used to be in the air force and I dont know a single Airman that would help that prick stay in office.
dekket
I wouldn't bet my nuts on it tbh.
VillainVillain
Same, I feel like no one actually respects him, like when a manager finally gets on your last nerve and they find out you can just quit
Dalael
Like the feds did?
sirdraco1
Make sure to vote.
RedPandaDeluxe
For sure! I did go to vote.org already and I am good to go.
dorenavant
I worry there’ll be fewer polling stations and longer lines in poorer areas due to COVID19; as if gerrymandering didn’t do enough damage.
sirdraco1
Legitimate concern. See what it will take to vote by mail and know how you can spread the word locally about how to accomplish it.
CaptainAmerica24
The military would not obey a presidential order to turn on US citizens.
Kbantar
I'm sure every nation whose government turned fascist thought that.
CaptainAmerica24
The us military already told this president no once when he tried it. The rest of the country will tell him no in November
Dominiricanish
I’m not saying they would but he has A LOT of support among the military.
Altanese
We'll find out soon.
theimgurappsucksballs
Gonna be a great Season 4 finale
CocaineAndSelfPleasure
Dark but hilarious.
NatiLite
As someone in that position. It's a fuck no.
Altanese
Good.
CalebCakePilot
I did 10 years in a combat role, there's no way in hell the military would support this anymore than they would take away people's guns
CalebCakePilot
under Obama. I don't see the police or anyone else with numbers doing this either.
theimgurappsucksballs
Legit q, if that order did come down from that dingus. Who would it be up to to say no?
CalebCakePilot
The groups themselves AND the individuals, both can say no and stop it.
Altanese
The police already are doing this, so are state and federal agents.
CalebCakePilot
Keeping Trump in office when he's been voted out? ?
XEndeadX
The military has already said they won't attack American citizens, but he's been building his own military. He's got police, federal-
XEndeadX
agents of various types, and fanatics who would gladly take up arms for him.
Jagerbeast
I just learned about Eric Prince.... wouldnt surprise me if contractors get or even are involved
AteUp
They are the minority. Fret not brother, the vast majority of LEOs, vets, and active duty would die before allowing it.
tooomanystevesgotbanned
Yes, a coup. That's just what the USA needs. Actually.... would it be worse? Let me know how it goes.
Kate316
good way to really drain the swamp after it failed which it would. Imagine all those co conspirators in congress who'd share in his fate
truemetalman
A true coup is highly unlikely. If he refuses to leave when his term is up and the military doesn't back him, the secret service boots him.
Altanese
And if they don't?
ILiekToCookAndBake
We do.
Jagerbeast
HAHA.... thats funny
SomeDetroitGuy
If they don't, that's a coup.
Altanese
Not exactly, but it's certainly illegal. But then it's only illegal if he's eventually kicked out.
Angmoh
Nope, Coups can only be done with the help of the CIA. Since this is domestic, the CIA can't do much but sell crack to inner city youths
m00nWatcher
Haha I think you dropped this good sir —> “/s” But for reals fuck all those coups the CIA instigated in Latin America.
Angmoh
Aye, you're right. Sorry, did forget the "/s"
charminglily832718
Those in Africa and Asia were ok?
m00nWatcher
I can’t fit all the countries the US has fucked in 140 characters or less :(
Jagerbeast
Ummm... i thought so too until people started getting abducted off the streets
Neoeon
The way I heard it was that the police unions asked Trump for help so he sent Feds who started kidnapping and illegally detaining citizens.
Jagerbeast
I dont think that matters, what matters is its happening
Neoeon
The military, for all apperences, seem to be of the opinion that Trump can go fuck himself.
Wolfshead009
The police unions do NOT have that authority.
Neoeon
No they dont. But asking the president who does or believes he does have the authority to do it and no one is about to stop him before he
Neoeon
does it at least once amounts to the same thing as doing it and not suffering any consequences for it.
DarthDrizzt42
A few hundred ICE agents does not make an occupying force for a country of 300 million
Jagerbeast
Really? Cause a month ago that was an occupying force in seattle lol
Mack1986
That isnt the military in Portland
SkyeIngram17
But the military isn’t stopping them
oneofthosemeddlingkids
Yet
Mack1986
? This makes zero sense. that isn't the militaries job. In fact. It's against the constitution for them to do that.
HowWasThisUsernameNotTaken
As much as I love the idea of the Army unilaterally stepping in to tell DHS to collectively fuck off, it would not be good for them to do so
lordstinkynuts
I don't think you have a firm understanding of when the military may be utilized
TheTravelingAirman
We're to be utilized in a manner wholly inconsistent with US law specifically so the Red or Blue team gets their way. Constitution be damned
RedPandaDeluxe
Wait....who was it then?
cerpintaxt475
It's the suede denim secret police.
Mack1986
It's a task force pulled from different federal agencies. Reportedly mainly DHS. Customs. ICE. Etc (again. Not defending it)
Lynkfox
Basically? Gestapo.secret police. Any of a dozen other names. Take your pick.
spoonassassin
Remember when they said Obama was gonna do this... And also have death panels.
NaturalProgressionGaming
That's because Obama literally helped set the foundation for this shit. Militarization of police increased under Obama.
NaturalProgressionGaming
The fact is, Trump wouldn't be so primed for this sort of thing without Obama and Bush Jr.
ID1746
rajaat
Trunp uses a lot of Goebbels' playbook, up to the attack on schools.
AccountCreatedToUpvoteDogs
You mean like the death panels running triage in Arizona, FL, and TX because of too many Covid cases?
HaloArchitect
I mean, that's what triage _is_
AccountCreatedToUpvoteDogs
Yes and during obamacare arguments the Republicans called them "death panels".
HaloArchitect
I agree, and my clarification wasn't a very good one: this point should have been brought up more vocally then. Republican doublespeak.
GummiBurrs
korkalek
Yeah, but at least Obama himself didn't suggest he might do it. Trump legit refused to say he won't when prompted. He said "we'll see".
isKratomSafe00
And someone’s takin the bait
NoFather
Everything they claim to fear a democrat doing is something they end up trying to do.
madpathmoth
Conservatives love accusing others of doing what they themselves wish they could do.
brownribbon
And Bush would do this and Clinton would do this...
PiggyWobbles
its almost like projection is a central plank of conservative dogma
AxelBeingCivil
Yeah. The GOP is very good at accusing others of the things they plan on doing.
scJazz
Right back at you. Alinsky 101. Although I am a Libertarian staring at the dumbz and wondering. When will u all remove head from ass?
AxelBeingCivil
Can you really cite any examples of that happening in the progressive mainstream? I mean, that might be hard since progressive people (1)
AxelBeingCivil
tend not to get elected as often in the US, but... As for libertarianism, I tend to find libertarians aren't all that much better than (2)
AxelBeingCivil
the GOP in many circumstances. This isn't always true - I have a great deal of respect for libertarians whose fear of the state comes (3)
Jinx981
Imgur has literally become the alex jones of the Left. (sigh)
INeverWaitForIt
Oh shit, they're totally going to do this. It's *always* projection.
Crowwwww
I miss that guy and his outlandish attire
MiniMegaOfParagonCity
Any time a republican accuses a democrat of something, it's always something the republican is either guilty of, willing to do or planning.
yabbadabbaderpityderpdurpderp
And take all da guns!!! He comin' I tell you...any day now... he be here soon... really... like soon....
wastedpoptart
To be fair. A few Dem house and senate members have said they support far reaching firearm bans. I believe it would be political suicide for
wastedpoptart
A democrat president to run on that platform though.
Weedies617
Now it's "Biden is gonna take the guns. All of em" so silly. Did they ever get the guns back Obama took?
ruferto
what? who said that? when? i wanna read some humor today
Raspootin
Remember how it didn't happen even when they convinced themselves it would?
charminglily832718
Yeah but...
sirdraco1
And yet his pants shittingly incompetent administration has allowed more preventable deaths than any in recent memory.
EBlade19889
Yeah, clarification is needed here
tembahisarmsopen
Who? Obama? Wut?
forgetthisnoise
I really enjoy that they skipped death panels and just went straight to directly infecting people with a deadly pathogen. Republicans really
isKratomSafe00
Or just move old covid patients back to the nursing homes to kill everyone there... like New York ...? Democrat death panel
forgetthisnoise
Saved a lot of time and money that way. Democrats are so wasteful /s
Steelfin
The republican party loves to project.
zigzagler
braaaiiiiinnnnsss
That's just another reason that this is so terrifying.
VictusVonGuyver
I'll say...
INeverWaitForIt
If they didn't have doublestandards, they'd have no standards at all.
bigmonkeyhit
SickSickIndividual
Not from the US...what's a death panel?
Snushine
It's when a lot of executives decide who gets health care and who doesn't.
Hrafna55
In reality. The US health insurance industry.
DingoStyle
Supposedly universal healthcare would be so bad there would be panels who decided if you lived or died. Like with the rona but for every day
zigzagler
Ah yes, like the lawless wastes of Canada and the UK, where judges in powdered wigs give a thumbs down to sentence people to the Doom Pit.
Rehjee
Give me a gassed up chain saw and I'll take the Doom Pit.
lupinic
"Death panel" is a political term that originated during the 2009 debate about federal health care legislation to cover the uninsured in /1
lupinic
the United States. Sarah Palin, former Republican Governor of Alaska, coined the term when she charged that proposed legislation would /2
lupinic
create a "death panel" of bureaucrats who would decide whether Americans—such as her elderly parents, or children with Down syndrome /3
lupinic
were "worthy of medical care". Palin's claim has been referred to as the "death panel myth", as nothing in any proposed legislation would /4
CalebCakePilot
It's not something the US came up with but the closest thing to it in reality is the death penalty as punishment.
CalebCakePilot
In fiction, it's a panel of Drs deciding to pull the plug on grandma because she is too expensive to keep alive.
JeffwiththeNukes
The affordable cares act was going to create death panels of people that decided if someone who was sick would get treatment or not.
JeffwiththeNukes
Which was not the case.
BarryTheCyborg
And is already the case with private insurance
JeffwiththeNukes
Yeah but it would be government people making the decisions which is communist.
DreadPierateRoberts
So like insurance companies do
JhadeSaGrave
Yes.
TomBrokaw
Yes but that's OK because it's pro business, not pro government.
Kube420
Member when Obama was gonna invade Texas and the governor put the state national guard on standby?
POTUSBrown
Sounds good, why didn't he do that? Lol
vingtvingt
Invade Texas???? For Oil, I assume...??? Cause I don’t know why someone would invade TX for armadillo roadkill. You can get it in Arkansas.
catlovesfood
Wait what? How did I miss this?
forgetthisnoise
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jade_Helm_15_conspiracy_theories
LoudBirb
Because you weren't paying attention to the idiotic conspiracy theories the right kept propagating about Obama to galvanize their voters.
LoudBirb
You should take it as a point of pride, honestly.
mastertang
I like intelligent and funny people. +1
AnonOmis1000
Jesus fucking christ. Kinda wish ORs Gov would do that for Portland.
katolu
Good idea, but basically once the NG is mobilized they fall under Federal authority thus working for Trump.
Pyronixcore
Yeah didn't the Bush administration make it so that they answer directly to the president of he calls on them?
Sneetsnoot
One would think all citizens, especially 2A supporters, be against the Fed govt having control of the state's militia.
LordSithis
Actually, if the nat guard goes on state active duty, they're under state authority. They only fall under federal if in joint status with
katolu
Thanks for clarifying.
LordSithis
Other states, or if doing federal active duty. Source: been in for 13 years and done state active duty multiple times.