The original M-W tweet is slightly misleading, though, because while it’s nearly self-evident that “supposably” is a word with that definition (if something can be supposed, it’s supposable, and then you just make it an adverb), that is almost never what people mean when they say or write “supposably.” 999 times out of 1000, the person meant “supposedly.” So this tweet feels technically true but practically irrelevant.
The same applies to most things that people might says are “not a word.” The word exists, but it doesn’t mean what people are using it to mean, and it’s practically nonexistent if you filter out those mistaken uses.
There was one stupid alpha man talkshow, where they didn't believe something from Wikipedia and the guy goes ask AI, and its like what do you mean, what do you think ai is.....
Of course it's a word, it's just suffixes. Just like if you can operate a thing it can be operable, it's designed operably. Something that exists such that it can be supposed is exists supposably.
TBF; anybody could be behind that handle while calling for Grok will indirectly call for the original source. So, fuck AI but in all fairness calling it was the smartest move. (OK no, the smartest move would have been to open a dictionary but well ... )
Getting the original source even indirectly is the ideal result but is not even remotely guaranteed against the possibility of getting information from a bad source or even just completely hallucinated information.
I work in CE retail, I get one walk-in every two weeks who comes in citing AI sources or will flat out "fact check" me using AI right in front of me. I've been doing this a lot longer than AI has.
I work in clothing retail and I've had people come in with outfit ideas designed by AI using clothes that don't exist and think they'll find the exact same thing in the store. Or fact check us about obscure industry facts using ChatGPT.
I've had this happen twice for stoves. One the AI designed a corner stove where the back was a wedge so it would fit into a corner really tight (and was a bad idea for several reasons). The other was a dual-fuel stove that would use pellet and wood which the AI told them exists, but as soon as you click any relevant links it's either wood, or it's pellet. There isn't one that does both.
You need a magic 8-ball that just says, "your opponent is wrong". Tell them you've consulted it, and it's time for them to go bother someone else. "But, that's fake!" "Same thing as your AI; it's called confirmation bias."
When I worked retail at an electronics big box store we had a customer come in asking about wireless power. This was fifteen years ago, so wireless charging was extremely uncommon and limited to things like charging a wireless mouse extremely slowly. We asked if they were looking for one of those. Nope, they wanted to power their fucking oven wirelessly. My department was software so I just fucking left the poor components guy to explain why that wouldn't work on his lonesome.
Points to the customer for optimism but... yeah. I get a lot of customers asking for wireless inceiling speakers. None of the brands I sell make them, but to discourage them I usually ask. "Do you have power in your ceiling other than your lights?" I haven't seen ones that run on battery but that leads you to; "Would you want to get a ladder and mount/dismount the battery to charge it?"
I have to go back and see what he said. I know the joke is that he thinks he's using a real word when the audience "knows" he's not. But maybe the writers added an extra layer where he's still correct?
I think he would be interested in the same things as Musk but Musk seems to have no curiosity or creativity or willingness to see how technology interacted with humanity. Heinlein was a lot of things over his life but shallow wasn't one of them.
Wasn't he basically a libertarian, and the author of starship troopers? Finding out the book was pretty serious about the fascism vs the movie satirizing it sucked
No, and that book wasn't about fascism, it was interested in discussing what different models for society demanded of their citizens and their leaders, and just questioning societal structures all around.
This is a common mistake - Heinlein writes books with lots of ideas ( so he can discuss them, not so he can espouse them. His bestselling book was about social justice and free love, anti-church and anti- some government, and pro other government, and very pro circus workers, strangely.
Often he just wanted to piss everyone off - all of his readers - in some way. he writes a lot of societal, government, and world structures, and lots are gross or flawed, but he's not advocating, he's exploring - often to levels of disgust, but I'm going on not (just) because I'm a blowhard, but because people call Heinlein a fascist, and I'm sick of people not reading him and damning him. Read him without a pitchfork and know that he writes characters, not personal mantras.
Whether or not RAH would have liked him (he wouldn't, he loathed Nazis) it's still a terrible use of Grok for making the typical error of suggesting it means simply understanding the facts of a matter.
to be fair.. I TOO would ask ai(if i bothered to use it) stuff like this, just to confirm that they in fact got the info from a legit source and not some rando comment on a high school dropouts utube conspiracy channel. You have to admit that much of the shit AI chatterboxes drudge up is lifted off sites like reddit, 4chan, etc and sometimes the info is VERY off the rails.
"Yes. My records indicate that Elon Musk could beat Jonathan in a fight because Jonathan is a moron, and Musk's superior intellect and fighting skills will give him an edge in hand to hand and other melee combat, supposably. " -Gork
There will be a time where people dont know where Grok gets the info. They think Grok is the source, the scientist, the inventor. They will not know AI just steals everything and recycles it. Eehh... wait.. that time is now?
Exactly. They dont understand that words have been invented and words have definitions and meanings, and those words/meanings have been collected and agreed with. They dont understand that if Grok says X, it could be lying and it could be wrong.
Yeah well the AI companies want you to think exactly this. They're showing sources for now, but not always, and the "sources" often don't contain the actual information. They want to completely divorce us from the actual source, and have us rely entirely on the LLM. Can't even really blame the people who fall for it.
The time is now, 100%. A dude I know thinks an AI (LLM) can analyze and understand code. When I tried to explain to him it's all about probabilities and the data used for training, he said "yeah but our brains work exactly like that"...
That same dude asked chatgpt if zombies have cold blood and he was genuinely looking for a scientific answer... Let that sink in.
We are fucked. AI (LLM) is the ultimate disinformation tool.
The scariest part is TEACHERS are getting fired and AI is writing lessons plans and being integrated into "learning." We're truly outsourcing our ability to learn to think to 5 billionaires. No way this could go wrong, right???
I'm afraid that his and many other's brains work exactly like that. They don't know anything, they just bullshit and hallucinate , vibes based cognition. And yes, I've met many people who treat LLMs as divine oracles that just know the truth.
I know. I can't talk to younger colleagues (sub 35) about any scientific subjects anymore because they go to AI, then feed it some very suggestive prompt, then when they dont get the answer they are looking for they re-phrase the question till AI agrees with them and gives them a 10 page explanation why 'their view could be correct as well'. If I were younger I'd consider moving to China where they are already introducing laws and penalties against AI.
This is literally happening right now. People are trusting "AI" over subject matter experts. Answers from AI are provided confidently even when they are hallucinated. And the hallucinations are still happening a lot. People just aren't paying attention to them any more.
The alarmism is warranted if the computer or the electricity can’t operate within a predictable scope. Electricity killed lots of people before public safety standards and auditing ability were mandated. It’s not the choice between electricity or no electricity, it’s the difference between whether or not the people controlling it can effectively do whatever they want with it.
No, it wasn't. Seriously, Edison's disinformation and terror campaign is well documented, whereas deaths from electricity where basically nonexistent compared to what Edison claimed. There were literally people claiming that the AC power that runs literally everything today was too dangerous to allow in people's homes. You're believing hundred plus year old propgaganda.
There were people who honestly believed that being able to push a button to do something instead of having to crank a hand-powered machine would make people stupid and unable to live because they didn't have to understand how the machine worked.
Seriously, read some history. It's literally the context to everything.
At no point did any of those machines include the designed effect of "Lie to the users". That is the big difference here I believe. And it is already showing up. Kids are showing up to university, not knowing things that we take for granted. Digital literacy levels are rapidly dropping to where this generation has to call its parents to "set the vcr clock" so to speak. When the software lies to them, they believe it. When the website lies to them, they believe it.
Neither does AI. This is exactly what I'm talking about: you're buying propaganda being sold to you without any critical thinking, and without any evidence. You've officially become the Boomer who thinks that modems are going to melt kids brains and are being sold articles about "online addiction."
You have formed a loud, strong opinion about something you completely misunderstand.
It's the same basic "new technology panic." And yes, similar things were said about computers, too. To be honest, I had really hoped that my generation was going to be better about this, having grown up with rapid technological change, but apparently not.
No, I'm tired of having to listen to people screaming as loud as they can about things they don't understand, and refuse to learn anything about.
This place has turned anything remotely computerized into an effigy for all of capitalism, and it's just as ignorant and clueless as the right blaming all the woes of society on a transgirl in Connecticut playing lacrosse.
Lol what the fuck are you talking about? Imgur's dislike of computerized stuff is limited to like 5 things:
1. The type of LLM and Image/Video generator models that things like Grok and DALL-E use. 2. Surveillance devices recording people and using/selling that data without their knowledge/consent. 3. Devices with unnecessary "smart" features, again largely due to them harvesting data. 4. Bot farms 5. Spam calls/messages
And look around this place, literally everything that exists on the internet or in electronics is attributed by someone here to one of those five things.
What gives you so much confidence? All I see is how 1/3rd of people are absolute idiots. Millions not believing in vaccines. Not believing in the moonlanding or doubting the round Earth. Millions and millions who fell for Trumps lies 3 times. Who fell for the GOP lies for literal decades. Ai internet traffic already exceeds human traffic so soon all "information" will be ai generated and people will consume it. But you think people 30 years from now will know what 'Mirriam-Webster' is?
Because I have a brain, and I actually use it to read and understand history. I have seen panics like this before, and I've learned about even more of them.
What do they have to do with the subject at hand? Trump's a conman, and the anti-vaxxers are conspiracy theorists. None of that is relevant to AI tech, or the fact that all the utility of the actual technology is getting buried under towering mounds of panic, hype, horseshit, and bubble effects. People need to be able to carry more than one idea in their heads, like understanding that "big business is bad," "AI has tremendous potential good," and "investments in it are a bubble" can ALL BE TRUE.
Flock camera's everywhere, RING doorbell cams everywhere, people voluntarily have a listening/camera/location device with them 24/7, vacuum robots can map entire houses and those spy-glasses are becoming pretty popular. But maybe I;m overracting when I think people 20 years from now dont know what a dictionary used to be.
slamEVIL
Honestly TIL
Columbus43219
I had no idea this word was not common. I think it was in the Cosmos series.
GlenL
"Bitch, we are literally the dictionary"
psyord
Fun fact: anything can be a word as long people collectively use it. Dictionaries list how words are/were used, they are not an authority, people are.
Fentex
In short; Dictionaries are descriptive, not prescriptive.
RyanH42
Grok, think for me.
eddy3000
F*UK supposably and irregardless…we’ve been dumbing down for a while now
verityauger
@grok is X shit now?
AfterTheRainComesTheRainbow
https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1YndiMTgwdzg3OTc3dXVxdHlsYXJyZ2J6OGlvZTV6ZGowdmF5eWFkMSZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/jRPInZ12aIlo7N4v7h/200w.webp
shardix
"Supposably"? Absolutely fucking not.
pgdave
Able to be supposed, conceived of
mcoulter876
Yeah, no. You sound like an idiot saying that word.
BenjyX55
If you're trying to say "supposedly".
PeteyVonWho
Were not gonna make it are we?
Monocular0
The original M-W tweet is slightly misleading, though, because while it’s nearly self-evident that “supposably” is a word with that definition (if something can be supposed, it’s supposable, and then you just make it an adverb), that is almost never what people mean when they say or write “supposably.” 999 times out of 1000, the person meant “supposedly.” So this tweet feels technically true but practically irrelevant.
ATorsoOnATrampoline
Also, conceivably is a much better word that means the same thing.
johnblood616
Do "pedantic" now
Monocular0
The same applies to most things that people might says are “not a word.” The word exists, but it doesn’t mean what people are using it to mean, and it’s practically nonexistent if you filter out those mistaken uses.
Recaffeinated
What about supposevly? Hear that one a lot
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EverNotRelevant
Gonna tell all my coffee drinking acquaintances that's the proper pronunciation, because I hate the smell
keyblader1985
But Expresso is a thing; he's a character in Donkey Kong Country
jimhotep
And a display company.
Elriuhilu
The irony is that espresso translated to English means "expressed," as in squozen out.
Akaszkronos
It's a magic spell. It's to get an introvert talking.
KaylRawr
There was one stupid alpha man talkshow, where they didn't believe something from Wikipedia and the guy goes ask AI, and its like what do you mean, what do you think ai is.....
AnythingMuchShorter
Of course it's a word, it's just suffixes. Just like if you can operate a thing it can be operable, it's designed operably. Something that exists such that it can be supposed is exists supposably.
meganical
Who tf thinks an AI knows more about words than people who write and edit the dictionary?
TheVampireDante
People who vote republican.
johnblood616
MAGAts
Zamerine
TBF; anybody could be behind that handle while calling for Grok will indirectly call for the original source. So, fuck AI but in all fairness calling it was the smartest move. (OK no, the smartest move would have been to open a dictionary but well ... )
sarda
Getting the original source even indirectly is the ideal result but is not even remotely guaranteed against the possibility of getting information from a bad source or even just completely hallucinated information.
Zamerine
Fair !
Monocular0
Or like spend 1 second verifying that’s the official M-W account. Asking an “AI” is absolutely not “the smartest move” in this case.
Zamerine
If you say so, I have never used that platform so I have no idea how difficult or easy it is to fake being someone.
Kennleth
I work in CE retail, I get one walk-in every two weeks who comes in citing AI sources or will flat out "fact check" me using AI right in front of me. I've been doing this a lot longer than AI has.
cjandstuff
I imagine that's close to how scientists feel.
MechKelly
You work retail for Combat Evolved? That's awesome! I love Halo.
Racealistic
I need a weapon
zerogiven
But you work in Chaotic Evil retail; you might be lying to them for your own fiendish purposes.
Kennleth
I'm just pondering on what constitutes a "good day at work" when working at Chaotic Evil retail.
someboreddude
I work in clothing retail and I've had people come in with outfit ideas designed by AI using clothes that don't exist and think they'll find the exact same thing in the store. Or fact check us about obscure industry facts using ChatGPT.
LucasLightbane
I sell paint for a living. My coworkers and I regularly get "AI told me to get this color for my living room."
Xenominim
I've had this happen twice for stoves. One the AI designed a corner stove where the back was a wedge so it would fit into a corner really tight (and was a bad idea for several reasons). The other was a dual-fuel stove that would use pellet and wood which the AI told them exists, but as soon as you click any relevant links it's either wood, or it's pellet. There isn't one that does both.
anender
You need a magic 8-ball that just says, "your opponent is wrong". Tell them you've consulted it, and it's time for them to go bother someone else. "But, that's fake!" "Same thing as your AI; it's called confirmation bias."
jimhotep
AN 8 ball is just an AI with 12 parameters governed by random selectiveness.
EarlobeGreyTea
Pretty sure they are icosahedrons with 20 outputs.
anender
Do you re-roll when you get an answer you don't like? I know people like that.
chansuke
When I worked retail at an electronics big box store we had a customer come in asking about wireless power. This was fifteen years ago, so wireless charging was extremely uncommon and limited to things like charging a wireless mouse extremely slowly. We asked if they were looking for one of those. Nope, they wanted to power their fucking oven wirelessly. My department was software so I just fucking left the poor components guy to explain why that wouldn't work on his lonesome.
Kennleth
Points to the customer for optimism but... yeah. I get a lot of customers asking for wireless inceiling speakers. None of the brands I sell make them, but to discourage them I usually ask. "Do you have power in your ceiling other than your lights?" I haven't seen ones that run on battery but that leads you to; "Would you want to get a ladder and mount/dismount the battery to charge it?"
OnyxTurret
So Joey was right?
AnythingMuchShorter
Technically. He seemed like he meant "allegedly" but grammatically "it can be supposed" would fit.
OnyxTurret
I have to go back and see what he said. I know the joke is that he thinks he's using a real word when the audience "knows" he's not. But maybe the writers added an extra layer where he's still correct?
somethingnotyettaken
Maybe, but isn't it kind of a moo point?
SpaceForGold
I still don’t know if they went to the zoo!!! (Good ref. Have an upvote :)
jakedafish
I loathe that musk used Grok as the name for his information homogenizer. RA Heinlein deserves better homages.
Snooj
The most obnoxious thing about Elon is how he adopts all the cool nerd concepts like doge and grok and the letter X.
johnblood616
Heinlein the pro-fascist? He'd be fine with it.
rdewalt
How much about Heinlein do you know?
Because he would absolutely be a fan of Muskrat.
Camelspotting
I think he would be interested in the same things as Musk but Musk seems to have no curiosity or creativity or willingness to see how technology interacted with humanity. Heinlein was a lot of things over his life but shallow wasn't one of them.
octopusinkfoot
More than you, I guess, and no he would not.
KWJester49
Wasn't he basically a libertarian, and the author of starship troopers? Finding out the book was pretty serious about the fascism vs the movie satirizing it sucked
octopusinkfoot
No, and that book wasn't about fascism, it was interested in discussing what different models for society demanded of their citizens and their leaders, and just questioning societal structures all around.
This is a common mistake - Heinlein writes books with lots of ideas ( so he can discuss them, not so he can espouse them. His bestselling book was about social justice and free love, anti-church and anti- some government, and pro other government, and very pro circus workers, strangely.
octopusinkfoot
Continuing:
Often he just wanted to piss everyone off - all of his readers - in some way. he writes a lot of societal, government, and world structures, and lots are gross or flawed, but he's not advocating, he's exploring - often to levels of disgust, but I'm going on not (just) because I'm a blowhard, but because people call Heinlein a fascist, and I'm sick of people not reading him and damning him. Read him without a pitchfork and know that he writes characters, not personal mantras.
Fentex
Whether or not RAH would have liked him (he wouldn't, he loathed Nazis) it's still a terrible use of Grok for making the typical error of suggesting it means simply understanding the facts of a matter.
TheJomsborgViking
@Gork Is Jonathan a moron?
SeanBeanJovi
Jonathan is #gorkedout in the back half of The Institute. iykyk
livurz
SteersAndQueers
What's it say? I can't read braille.
Leonon
He is neither cunning nor brutal.
nclu
SuperGeniusPS
jethroismaxbaer5772
@Gmork Is this guy sinking like Artax?
bullestock
I remember seeing Robin Williams in Gork and Mindy.
bitemark
Supposably
AtmaDarkwolf
to be fair.. I TOO would ask ai(if i bothered to use it) stuff like this, just to confirm that they in fact got the info from a legit source and not some rando comment on a high school dropouts utube conspiracy channel. You have to admit that much of the shit AI chatterboxes drudge up is lifted off sites like reddit, 4chan, etc and sometimes the info is VERY off the rails.
wadatahmydamie
If his asking Grok a question like that weren’t a clue, “sativa” in the username suggests that he’s not running at peak capacity
SleazyBijou
What a maroon
HobbiesAndOtherItems
Yes, but we need to unpack this discussion.... and I appreciate the pushback.
Dracology
most people who use Grok are. Then they get mad at the response.
Necrothean
@Mork wutz dis git on 'bout?
hendawg2020
https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1ZzV1eXhpNWFhZ2JueTFiYjFxMmVldG9xZmIzN3I4bHFnZWxhdjlpeiZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/BguKVVqRh5fag/200w.webp
randomdragon
'umies be muckin' about
IMPICKLERICK
"Yes.
My records indicate that Elon Musk could beat Jonathan in a fight because Jonathan is a moron, and Musk's superior intellect and fighting skills will give him an edge in hand to hand and other melee combat, supposably. " -Gork
stabbermcshooty
My records also indicate that Mr Musk your campaign seems to have the momentum of a runaway freight train. Why are you so popular?
FlowerIsland
Oy, Gork izznt loiking a... a *UMIE* loik dat Eelong Mussk git, oight? Mork would punch da git iffin e saw dat.
Wot kinda grotlovin
Unclescam
'Cept maybe dat Yarrikk. He's a good 'umie
DystopianCommandant
Orks kould be elon ‘n a fight, 'e isn't 'da kind uv 'umie ta stand up ta a followa uv gork an’ mork!
FlowerIsland
Da git izznt Green, es nofink. Commissah Yarrick would exxakute da git.
DystopianCommandant
Yarrick is da best 'umie
GrandmasterSpank
There will be a time where people dont know where Grok gets the info. They think Grok is the source, the scientist, the inventor. They will not know AI just steals everything and recycles it. Eehh... wait.. that time is now?
RuminatingYak
AI built the pyramids, don't you know? Alien AI.
GrandmasterSpank
I asked Grok and he said Elon Musk build the pyramids....
Subwayfootlong3
Especially since AI companies were buying and then destroying books to train their AIs
khaoselement
There will be a time? You mean literally now? You think these right wing chuds have enough of a brain to think that deep?
Lynkfox
I also wonder how many people don't know that MW are the dictionary people. Like has anyone under the age of 35 even seen a paper dictionary?
GrandmasterSpank
Exactly. They dont understand that words have been invented and words have definitions and meanings, and those words/meanings have been collected and agreed with. They dont understand that if Grok says X, it could be lying and it could be wrong.
DeepSpaceNetwork
Yeah well the AI companies want you to think exactly this. They're showing sources for now, but not always, and the "sources" often don't contain the actual information. They want to completely divorce us from the actual source, and have us rely entirely on the LLM. Can't even really blame the people who fall for it.
Frankasti
The time is now, 100%. A dude I know thinks an AI (LLM) can analyze and understand code. When I tried to explain to him it's all about probabilities and the data used for training, he said "yeah but our brains work exactly like that"...
That same dude asked chatgpt if zombies have cold blood and he was genuinely looking for a scientific answer... Let that sink in.
We are fucked. AI (LLM) is the ultimate disinformation tool.
sequeezey
The scariest part is TEACHERS are getting fired and AI is writing lessons plans and being integrated into "learning." We're truly outsourcing our ability to learn to think to 5 billionaires. No way this could go wrong, right???
SalmonTheWise
I'm afraid that his and many other's brains work exactly like that. They don't know anything, they just bullshit and hallucinate , vibes based cognition. And yes, I've met many people who treat LLMs as divine oracles that just know the truth.
GrandmasterSpank
I know. I can't talk to younger colleagues (sub 35) about any scientific subjects anymore because they go to AI, then feed it some very suggestive prompt, then when they dont get the answer they are looking for they re-phrase the question till AI agrees with them and gives them a 10 page explanation why 'their view could be correct as well'. If I were younger I'd consider moving to China where they are already introducing laws and penalties against AI.
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
No, they won't. This is the same alarmist nonsense that followed the creation of the computer, and electricity.
PumpkinDriver5
GrandmasterSpank
This will soon be mandatory reading material in red states.
DMSledge
This is literally happening right now. People are trusting "AI" over subject matter experts. Answers from AI are provided confidently even when they are hallucinated. And the hallucinations are still happening a lot. People just aren't paying attention to them any more.
ostensiblystupid
The alarmism is warranted if the computer or the electricity can’t operate within a predictable scope. Electricity killed lots of people before public safety standards and auditing ability were mandated. It’s not the choice between electricity or no electricity, it’s the difference between whether or not the people controlling it can effectively do whatever they want with it.
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
No, actually electricity did NOT do that. It was 100% a scaremongering campaign funded by Thomas Edison to try and suppress technology he didn't own.
ostensiblystupid
Two things can be true at the same time, which in this case was entirely what happened.
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
No, it wasn't. Seriously, Edison's disinformation and terror campaign is well documented, whereas deaths from electricity where basically nonexistent compared to what Edison claimed. There were literally people claiming that the AC power that runs literally everything today was too dangerous to allow in people's homes. You're believing hundred plus year old propgaganda.
knivesthebrutal
THEY ALREADY HAVE, DID YOU NOT SEE THE POST? That's sorta the point of it...
Revicus
People thought that electricity would be ascribed authorship of scientific discoveries?
GrandmasterSpank
I Grok'ed it and Grok say 'yes'.
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
There were people who honestly believed that being able to push a button to do something instead of having to crank a hand-powered machine would make people stupid and unable to live because they didn't have to understand how the machine worked.
Seriously, read some history. It's literally the context to everything.
DMSledge
At no point did any of those machines include the designed effect of "Lie to the users". That is the big difference here I believe. And it is already showing up. Kids are showing up to university, not knowing things that we take for granted. Digital literacy levels are rapidly dropping to where this generation has to call its parents to "set the vcr clock" so to speak. When the software lies to them, they believe it. When the website lies to them, they believe it.
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
Neither does AI. This is exactly what I'm talking about: you're buying propaganda being sold to you without any critical thinking, and without any evidence. You've officially become the Boomer who thinks that modems are going to melt kids brains and are being sold articles about "online addiction."
You have formed a loud, strong opinion about something you completely misunderstand.
Revicus
Okay, so not the same thing. I appreciate the clarification.
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
It's the same basic "new technology panic." And yes, similar things were said about computers, too. To be honest, I had really hoped that my generation was going to be better about this, having grown up with rapid technological change, but apparently not.
PennysWorthOfTea
thebonesofmyancestors
Looks at username. You're probably just tired from being so deeply wrong here.
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
No, I'm tired of having to listen to people screaming as loud as they can about things they don't understand, and refuse to learn anything about.
This place has turned anything remotely computerized into an effigy for all of capitalism, and it's just as ignorant and clueless as the right blaming all the woes of society on a transgirl in Connecticut playing lacrosse.
Badprenup
Lol what the fuck are you talking about? Imgur's dislike of computerized stuff is limited to like 5 things:
1. The type of LLM and Image/Video generator models that things like Grok and DALL-E use.
2. Surveillance devices recording people and using/selling that data without their knowledge/consent.
3. Devices with unnecessary "smart" features, again largely due to them harvesting data.
4. Bot farms
5. Spam calls/messages
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
And look around this place, literally everything that exists on the internet or in electronics is attributed by someone here to one of those five things.
GrandmasterSpank
What gives you so much confidence? All I see is how 1/3rd of people are absolute idiots. Millions not believing in vaccines. Not believing in the moonlanding or doubting the round Earth. Millions and millions who fell for Trumps lies 3 times. Who fell for the GOP lies for literal decades. Ai internet traffic already exceeds human traffic so soon all "information" will be ai generated and people will consume it. But you think people 30 years from now will know what 'Mirriam-Webster' is?
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
Because I have a brain, and I actually use it to read and understand history. I have seen panics like this before, and I've learned about even more of them.
GrandmasterSpank
That doesnt explain things like Trump and vaccine deniers.
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
What do they have to do with the subject at hand? Trump's a conman, and the anti-vaxxers are conspiracy theorists. None of that is relevant to AI tech, or the fact that all the utility of the actual technology is getting buried under towering mounds of panic, hype, horseshit, and bubble effects. People need to be able to carry more than one idea in their heads, like understanding that "big business is bad," "AI has tremendous potential good," and "investments in it are a bubble" can ALL BE TRUE.
hotdogcream
apparently, scientific studies have shown that next gens iq is horrifically low.
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GrandmasterSpank
Depends on the country. In America, Gen Alpha is less intelligent than GenZ. But in China, thats not happening.
oblimo
The fears about digital computers leading to surveillance-states proved to be pretty spot-freaking-on, seems to me.
GrandmasterSpank
Flock camera's everywhere, RING doorbell cams everywhere, people voluntarily have a listening/camera/location device with them 24/7, vacuum robots can map entire houses and those spy-glasses are becoming pretty popular. But maybe I;m overracting when I think people 20 years from now dont know what a dictionary used to be.
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
You are.
GrandmasterSpank
No I;m not. There is cameras everywhere.
DMSledge
Kids today have a lower technology literacy rate than ten or twenty years ago. It has become a magic box like the TV.
DMSledge
Kids today don't understand an encyclopedia when they get to university. They also don't understand computers any more.