We have to start keeping eyes and ears open as well as watching what we say off and online- and be especially discreet regarding our fellow community members.
If this turns into something where authorities are trying to dig up info about your neighbor/coworker/friend- play dumb. You havent seen them in awhile. You don't know what's up.
Someone you know is pregnant? Don't share the good news.
If they ever lock you and your buddy in the back of a patrol car and leave you alone there, they are 100% recording your conversation. So shut the fuck up.
This is your obligatory reminder that successfully pleading the fifth isn't always as trivial as just not talking. Some times you have to say the magic words, and some times what those words are can be VERY specific (see lawyer dog for a scary example). Check what the words are in your jurisdiction, and check it regularly.
Mums the Word Monday, Tight-Lipped Tuesday, Not Without My Lawyer Wednesday, Taciturn Thursday, Shut the F**k Up Friday, Soundless Saturday and Stay Silent Sunday
The police can never aid you in a lawsuit only persue you. Even if evidence proves innocence they cannot fight for your innocence they can and will only fight to prove your guilt. So. Shut the fuck up. As always, even their furry friends, all means all (in the US. There are sane countries) ACAB
You also have to say "I am invoking my right to an attorney." Even saying "I won't talk without my attorney present" was deemed in court as not being clear enough to be considered invoking the right to an attorney. So you say that, and nothing else.
As if eliminating due process and Miranda aren’t going to be on the to-do list of Project 2025. Start being wary of your neighbors: Todays HOA Nazi is tomorrow’s literal Nazi with the informer hotline on their speed dial.
The Popo is not your friend. They say law enforcement when they mean is Property enforcement against you. They had to be sued multiple times and have a class act settled by the Supreme Court just to force them to legally remind you you can just Shut the Fuck up among other things.
This isn't 100% true. You have to affirmatively assert your fifth amendment right. Just not talking doesn't indicate you are trying to invoke it.
Consult an attorney in your jurisdiction before attending any protest and learn the current best advice. They are constantly trying to make it harder to exercise this right, and courts keep going along.
There are literally no words you can use to assert your rights and be confident that the judge won't just say "he obviously asking for a canine lawyer, so it doesn't count." The only functional thing you can do it to actually not say anything.
Again, no. There have been rulings that specifically say that remaining silent is *not* asserting your right against self incrimination. So you're correct, there are no magic words that the wrong judge won't just overrule you anyway. But remaining silent is explicitly insufficient.
And if you are even slightly not-white living in the US... I don't know! I literally have no advice for you I just really hope you don't die. This is so fucked up.
Yeah, super-progressive Seattle where they famously shot a guy in the back in broad daylight for walking down the street while native, and they ruled it a "good shoot."
Yes, you can "no comment" as much as you like. Obviously a jury may take sudden new evidence you proved with a bit of scepticism if you did that. There's far more regulation here, and seldom do people get convicted when innocent, if anything too many get off on technicalities. We have injustices, of course, but far less from entrapment by police.
I still remember watching a professor giving a talk about why you should never speak to police or offer any statements (whether you think they're incriminating or not), and during the talk he asked the audience a question like "how many of you sped or otherwise broke the law on your drive over here?" and a number of people in the audience put their hands up.
One thing he got wrong in the video, though, is there is one thing you want to say. "I am invoking my right to an attorney." Even saying "I won't talk without my attorney present" was deemed in court as not being clear enough to be considered invoking the right to an attorney. So you say that, and nothing else.
Hey kids, the police have devices that can listen to your phone calls over a short distance without a wiretap. So if you're going to a protest, LEAVE YOUR PHONE AT HOME! You won't have to worry about the "stinger"-type devices pulling your number and recording your calls or texts.
Also Google Tracks your phone everywhere leave it at home. You want to conduct an affair that's good I'm not here to morally judge you but leave your fucking phone at fucking home not in your Vehicles near where this is happening
And DO NOT power off your phone and break your SIM card on your burner anywhere near where you did the deed, or at home, and DUH, don't drop it into a trashcan nearby where you turned it off.
Lots of bus stops here have cameras, the trains don’t. Just post up near any track and toss it on one of the train cars. Or drop it off at the beach, 10000% chance someone picks it up and moves it for you
Each number of my passcode represents the first letter of a word, 22 deep with symbols. If someone gets into my shit they deserve whatever they can find
You don't leave your phone at home, just secure it. Use an OS that doesn't invade user privacy, and use an end-to-end encryption app for all communication.
No, just leave it at home. Those things aren't as secure as you think they are, and external passive tracking by GPS can paint a picture. It's the biggest snitch you have. Leave it at home.
Great! Now tell me about any phone that lets you secure the baseband OS that lies underneath the fancy icons and that the operator can use to directly access the hardware ? Anyone? No, because it hasn't been possible since the flip-phones.
And remember the police have fake towers that ID what phones in an area that connect to them. Make sure you turn off your data and use a Faraday bag until it's safe to use your phone again.
No. You get stopped and forced to relinquish your phone it can be easily turned on and used to identify you whether they get access to it or not. Leave it the fuck at home.
You two realize that during the G8 meetings in Canada, you were simply in a location, and you were "detained," and your cell phone was taken from you. Do you want your information open to the police because Google/Android/Apple have a backdoor to your device that they've given to cops? LEAVE IT AT HOME...hell, pick up a burner and toss it after the protest.
Yeah, buy a cheap burner, use encryption apps, and don't discuss anything about anything on your main device. Leave it on and at home, or with a trusted friend(oh we were at his place watching movies). Don't bring your main phone.
You don’t even need to be an aggitator. The police are the enforcement arm of the State. They are not your friends. They are not there to protect you. They are only there to punish the people that are left.
While the police are an enforcement arm of the state, don't forget some also like to do a little recreational violence on the side for fun or profit. Just in case you aren't worried about the state...
"Laws are threats made by the dominant socioeconomic-ethnic group in a given nation. It's just the promise of violence that's enacted and the police are basically an occupying army. You know what I mean?"
Too many young people were not around when the LA riots happened and it shows. America is about to become a shithole country for quite some time now and as a Canadian, I am not looking forward to the fallout that is going to directly impact my country too.
Sadly that didn't directly impact a lot of people and way too many are incapable of learning lessons that they don't experience themselves. It's the whole leopards eating people's faces principal.
Only in the South, which came later. Before that, in the North, they started as security guards for docks and warehouses, protecting rich people's property. The rich people just realised that if they called them "police", then they could make the poor people pay for it. So, "Glorified Mall-Cop" is a pretty accurate description there.
*shot for POSSIBLY having a gun. And because it's a "concealed carry" state, unless you're pretty much naked, they can claim that they thought you might. So, really, it's just "shot for existing"
BenderRodriguz1010
Closest I have with Bender
arumunus
We have to start keeping eyes and ears open as well as watching what we say off and online- and be especially discreet regarding our fellow community members.
If this turns into something where authorities are trying to dig up info about your neighbor/coworker/friend- play dumb. You havent seen them in awhile. You don't know what's up.
Someone you know is pregnant? Don't share the good news.
SoberAndBored
"Unsecured" "unencrypted" - even if you think they're secure and/or encrypted, they're almost certainly not. Why take the risk?
Shewy92
catsandpicsandstuff
If they ever lock you and your buddy in the back of a patrol car and leave you alone there, they are 100% recording your conversation. So shut the fuck up.
Higure
This is your obligatory reminder that successfully pleading the fifth isn't always as trivial as just not talking. Some times you have to say the magic words, and some times what those words are can be VERY specific (see lawyer dog for a scary example). Check what the words are in your jurisdiction, and check it regularly.
Rystefn
There are no magic words. If you think you used the right ones, they can just say after the fact that you needed different ones.
catsnroombas
No lawyer ever said "gosh I sure am glad my client talked to the cops without me present."
GaiusWydra
Mums the Word Monday,
Tight-Lipped Tuesday,
Not Without My Lawyer Wednesday,
Taciturn Thursday,
Shut the F**k Up Friday,
Soundless Saturday and
Stay Silent Sunday
JustAnotherknarF
brandopolaf
i love it
Kutzoo
These two are real civil rights legends. Bill Goodman and Julie Hurwitz.
PandaWaffleking
The police can never aid you in a lawsuit only persue you. Even if evidence proves innocence they cannot fight for your innocence they can and will only fight to prove your guilt. So. Shut the fuck up. As always, even their furry friends, all means all (in the US. There are sane countries) ACAB
Furyustyles
Lawsuits are civil matters not criminal.
Imalwaysready
“Anything you say CAN and WILL be used AGAINST you…”
Not for, against.
Tell them nothing without a lawyer present. Then actually listen to the lawyer’s advice.
Vydrach
You also have to say "I am invoking my right to an attorney." Even saying "I won't talk without my attorney present" was deemed in court as not being clear enough to be considered invoking the right to an attorney. So you say that, and nothing else.
lovehandlesmessiah
As if eliminating due process and Miranda aren’t going to be on the to-do list of Project 2025. Start being wary of your neighbors: Todays HOA Nazi is tomorrow’s literal Nazi with the informer hotline on their speed dial.
splud
Er, but HOA Karen volunteers for the informer hotline already.
amiurume
Remember: "I'm invoking my right to an attorney" is the one thing you can say when being questioned by the police.
erinaceus
yes. its friday every day now.
Emiloo74
My mom isn't saying shit. Helps that she died five years ago. But, still...
Citrakite
The Popo is not your friend. They say law enforcement when they mean is Property enforcement against you. They had to be sued multiple times and have a class act settled by the Supreme Court just to force them to legally remind you you can just Shut the Fuck up among other things.
AyatollahBahloni
Absolutely love this. Delightful addition to the traditional shut the fuck up Friday.
CmdrAdama
I have seen video of people trying to stay quiet. Are there questions that have to be answered?
michiyl
I think name and address, maybe a phone number to call relatives/parents/significant other, but basically nothing else about any situation ever.
Hekatombe
https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/what-do-when-encountering-law-enforcement-questioning
TankardHoot
Full bit https://youtu.be/nWEpW6KOZDs
ThisGuyPostingThings
I appreciate it's the "Detroit & Michigan Chapter", as if Detroit is not part of Michigan.
ColleenMarie
And if you take your phone, put a code on it and take off fingerprint or face recognition. Don't make it easy for them.
PutItInNeutral
floatationman
Oh, I see it's Friday.
Shewy92
HerrHat
I know who they are, but this still reminds me of
SirDucken
That's Pete n Baz, they're so good
HerrHat
They even got the same message
PiccadillyPi
Northern Boys!
Zixtank
Pete n Baz. Dopest geezers of our time.
MizWeirdo
I very much enjoy the one they did with Michael Rapaport.
Slickdoodle
Michael Rapaport depresses me. Sigh.
Efreeti
Less since he declared himself a staunch zionist.
theplantladyisabenevolentruler
:(
stonetemplefox05
DrewK98
This isn't 100% true. You have to affirmatively assert your fifth amendment right. Just not talking doesn't indicate you are trying to invoke it.
Consult an attorney in your jurisdiction before attending any protest and learn the current best advice. They are constantly trying to make it harder to exercise this right, and courts keep going along.
DrewK98
PS: I'm not a lawyer. This isn't legal advice.
Rystefn
There are literally no words you can use to assert your rights and be confident that the judge won't just say "he obviously asking for a canine lawyer, so it doesn't count." The only functional thing you can do it to actually not say anything.
DocWats
Ohh yea i want my lawyer dawg = dog lawyer
DrewK98
Again, no. There have been rulings that specifically say that remaining silent is *not* asserting your right against self incrimination. So you're correct, there are no magic words that the wrong judge won't just overrule you anyway. But remaining silent is explicitly insufficient.
ThaMunsta
And if you are even slightly not-white living in the US... I don't know! I literally have no advice for you I just really hope you don't die. This is so fucked up.
michiyl
Yepp, "walking while black" sadly is a thing, and will be a thing even more now ...
xizar
Doesn't matter where you are... Seattle's super progressive right? I've been stopped for walking while Mexican.
Rystefn
Yeah, super-progressive Seattle where they famously shot a guy in the back in broad daylight for walking down the street while native, and they ruled it a "good shoot."
xizar
John T. Williams. Happened in 2010. The footage off the cop car's dash cam is pretty fucking enraging.
CmdrAdama
Is there a right to silence in the UK?
Hekatombe
Dunno.... Let's see what the UK Government has to say about that: https://www.gov.uk/arrested-your-rights#:~:text=Your%20rights%20when%20being%20questioned&text=%E2%80%9CYou%20do%20not%20have%20to,may%20be%20given%20in%20evidence.%E2%80%9D
KipperFillets
Yes, you can "no comment" as much as you like.
Obviously a jury may take sudden new evidence you proved with a bit of scepticism if you did that.
There's far more regulation here, and seldom do people get convicted when innocent, if anything too many get off on technicalities.
We have injustices, of course, but far less from entrapment by police.
amp99
I still remember watching a professor giving a talk about why you should never speak to police or offer any statements (whether you think they're incriminating or not), and during the talk he asked the audience a question like "how many of you sped or otherwise broke the law on your drive over here?" and a number of people in the audience put their hands up.
Heisanevilgenius
Loved that video. Changed my entire view.
Vydrach
One thing he got wrong in the video, though, is there is one thing you want to say. "I am invoking my right to an attorney." Even saying "I won't talk without my attorney present" was deemed in court as not being clear enough to be considered invoking the right to an attorney. So you say that, and nothing else.
Nanimonai3
That's a good one. Thanks for reminding me of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE
Hekatombe
https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE
NotaCPA
Hey kids, the police have devices that can listen to your phone calls over a short distance without a wiretap. So if you're going to a protest, LEAVE YOUR PHONE AT HOME! You won't have to worry about the "stinger"-type devices pulling your number and recording your calls or texts.
SlightChungus
Faraday bags work and not the ones you buy on Amazon make one at home from copper mesh screen the tighter the weave the better
thatwoodguy
Also Google Tracks your phone everywhere leave it at home. You want to conduct an affair that's good I'm not here to morally judge you but leave your fucking phone at fucking home not in your Vehicles near where this is happening
splud
And DO NOT power off your phone and break your SIM card on your burner anywhere near where you did the deed, or at home, and DUH, don't drop it into a trashcan nearby where you turned it off.
SonnyVabitch
Get on the bus and get off without it is what the cool kids are doing these days, or so I gather.
3andAHalfLivesAgo
Lots of bus stops here have cameras, the trains don’t. Just post up near any track and toss it on one of the train cars. Or drop it off at the beach, 10000% chance someone picks it up and moves it for you
OutOfTheHat
not only that, but your gps data, to prove you were at the protest
Pevinsghost
Whether the phone was online or not, it saves the data and uploads it as soon as it can.
casbott
Oh, and don't use biometric security to lock your phone. If you're in custody, the police have your biometrics to unlock it - because that's YOU.
Use a pass code, and make it a good one [try a mnemonic device]
And don't leave it written on a piece of paper anywhere they can get a search warrant for.
3andAHalfLivesAgo
Each number of my passcode represents the first letter of a word, 22 deep with symbols. If someone gets into my shit they deserve whatever they can find
DarthFutuza
You don't leave your phone at home, just secure it. Use an OS that doesn't invade user privacy, and use an end-to-end encryption app for all communication.
TicklishOwl
No, just leave it at home. Those things aren't as secure as you think they are, and external passive tracking by GPS can paint a picture. It's the biggest snitch you have. Leave it at home.
obijan
Great! Now tell me about any phone that lets you secure the baseband OS that lies underneath the fancy icons and that the operator can use to directly access the hardware ? Anyone? No, because it hasn't been possible since the flip-phones.
Pevinsghost
More importantly, it's not allowed to be possible since the flip phones. On the plus side, it is how most jail breaks of phones are possible though.
DarthFutuza
GrapheneOS will work fine if properly configured. Do NOT use Android or iOS.
Nengex
And remember the police have fake towers that ID what phones in an area that connect to them. Make sure you turn off your data and use a Faraday bag until it's safe to use your phone again.
PutItInNeutral
Or just turn it off until you need it.
StellarJay77
No. You get stopped and forced to relinquish your phone it can be easily turned on and used to identify you whether they get access to it or not. Leave it the fuck at home.
NotaCPA
You two realize that during the G8 meetings in Canada, you were simply in a location, and you were "detained," and your cell phone was taken from you. Do you want your information open to the police because Google/Android/Apple have a backdoor to your device that they've given to cops? LEAVE IT AT HOME...hell, pick up a burner and toss it after the protest.
AyatollahBahloni
This is the best option.
Nengex
That is the more ideal option, yes.
AnotherSemanticArgument
Yeah, buy a cheap burner, use encryption apps, and don't discuss anything about anything on your main device. Leave it on and at home, or with a trusted friend(oh we were at his place watching movies). Don't bring your main phone.
ClutterMonkey
You don’t even need to be an aggitator. The police are the enforcement arm of the State. They are not your friends. They are not there to protect you. They are only there to punish the people that are left.
yoyo42
And the people that are Left.
HeadJamistan
Even if they're trying to be nice, they are gathering evidence.
19marcurious57
*especially when they act nice*
Stefnos
thats what happens when money gets above law.... it's dark days ahead for the world
SheepySleepySmuggler
While the police are an enforcement arm of the state, don't forget some also like to do a little recreational violence on the side for fun or profit. Just in case you aren't worried about the state...
ZeroUmbrellas
"Laws are threats made by the dominant socioeconomic-ethnic group in a given nation. It's just the promise of violence that's enacted and the police are basically an occupying army. You know what I mean?"
thatiscomedygoldrightthere
And now it's going to get worse.
thatiscomedygoldrightthere
I mean, JFC, he actually called for an entire day terroristic brutality.
StarmineRendezvous
And complete immunity for anything they do. Execute a whole family? No problem, no legal trouble!
StellarJay77
Too many young people were not around when the LA riots happened and it shows. America is about to become a shithole country for quite some time now and as a Canadian, I am not looking forward to the fallout that is going to directly impact my country too.
GaiusWydra
Hey, are you married? I’m looking for a Canadian spouse… literally. I’m afraid I’m gonna lose the healthcare that’s keeping me alive right now
StellarJay77
Married? Technically no, but I do have a common-law spouse so essentially I am already taken, Sorry.
GaiusWydra
Damn. Thanks anyway!
SuperPickle17
what, the BLM protests were not enough evidence of police brutality?
StellarJay77
Sadly that didn't directly impact a lot of people and way too many are incapable of learning lessons that they don't experience themselves. It's the whole leopards eating people's faces principal.
SuperPickle17
and yet the right can't stop yapping about it, except they only root for *more* violence.
FoxySpirit
That means your laws are fucked. You system is fucked.
Akalazoo
I mean it's also just what police conceptually exist to be. You might get by with yours but they remain the apparatus of state enforcement.
BrigidtheMechLady
That's not news. Our police started as slave chasers.
NoNameFred
Only in the South, which came later. Before that, in the North, they started as security guards for docks and warehouses, protecting rich people's property. The rich people just realised that if they called them "police", then they could make the poor people pay for it. So, "Glorified Mall-Cop" is a pretty accurate description there.
StellarJay77
Ha, you think US police understand and follow the law?
FoxySpirit
So they are not actually police but a state sanctioned lawless para-military group?
StellarJay77
Yup, structured to protect wealthy landowners who are not beholden to the same rules as everyone else.
cjandstuff
Louisiana now has constitutional carry, where anyone can concealed carry.
Cops can legally arrest you for being within 25 feet of them working.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/29/louisiana-law-stand-near-police-00160509
Cops can legally shoot you if they feel threatened.
Good luck.
manyslayer
When you can be shot just for having a gun, you do not have the right to bear arms.
NoNameFred
*shot for POSSIBLY having a gun. And because it's a "concealed carry" state, unless you're pretty much naked, they can claim that they thought you might. So, really, it's just "shot for existing"
pleaseconsiderthatImightbejoking
This is going to overturned. SCOTUS has already established very firm guidelines on interference.
cjandstuff
Oh my sweet summer child
Malus333
I mean we also had pretty settled law about abortion and yet here we are...
pleaseconsiderthatImightbejoking
This settled law is from this court.
yoyo42
This court have pretty clearly shown they will do whatever the fuck they want.