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St. Augustine’s Theory Of Mind-Time
Christian philosopher St. Augustine had a couple of things to say about time. First, he said that time was absolutely not infinite. Time was, according to him, created by God, and it’s impossible to create something that’s infinite.He also said that time actually exists only in our mind, a bizarre conclusion that all has to do with how we interpret time. We may say that something lasted a long time or a short time, but St. Augustine said that there’s no real way to quantify that. When something is in the past, it no longer has any properties of being anything because it doesn’t exist anymore, and when we say something took a long time, that’s just because we’re remembering it that way. Since we only measure time based on how we remember it, then it must only exist in our memories. The future doesn’t exist yet, so that can’t have any measurable quantities, either. The only thing that does exist is the present (and that’s a complicated concept we’ll get to in a minute), so the only logical conclusion left is that time only exists in our heads.
The Topology Of Time
What does time look like? If you try to picture time, do you see it as a straight line that goes on forever? Or do you think of time sort of looking like a clock, going around and around, circling back on itself every day or every year? Obviously, there’s no right answer, but there are some intriguing ideas about it. According to Aristotle, time can’t exist as a line, at least one with a beginning or an end, even though there must have been a time when, well, time started. In order for there to be a moment in time when time began, there had to be something before that marked its beginning. The same goes for the end of time, he said. In order for the line of time to come to an end, there has to be something after it to mark that particular point as the end of time. There’s also the problem of how many lines of time are there—is there one line of time that everything travels along together, or are there multiple lines of time that alternately intersect or run parallel to each other? Is time a single line with a lot of branches? Or perhaps moments in the time stream exist independently from other moments. There are plenty of opinions, but no answers.
The Specious Present
The idea of the specious present deals with the question of how long the present actually lasts. The usual answer, something about it being the “now,” isn’t very descriptive. For instance, when we’re in the middle of talking to someone and we’re in mid-sentence, we’ve already finished the beginning of the sentence and it’s in the past, but the conversation itself is still taking place in the present. So how long does the present actually last?E.R. Clay and William James refer to this idea as the specious present—the space of time that we perceive as being in the present. They suggest that it can be as short as a few seconds and probably not longer than a minute, but it’s the amount of time that we’re immediately, consciously aware of. And within that, there’s still a little bit of wiggle room to argue. It could theoretically have something to do with how long a person’s short-term memory is—the better that is, the longer the present is. There’s also the idea that it’s just a matter of instantaneous perception, and the second it’s passed and you’re relying on your short-term memory, a moment is no longer a part of the present. Then there’s the problem of the present and something of an extended present, which is where the specious present comes in. The present must have no length of actual time, because if it did, part of that time would be in the past and part would be in the future, contradicting itself. So the specious present tries to explain the present as an interval of time that has duration, yet is a separate thing from the objective present.
Shorter People Experience ‘Now’ Sooner
It sounds weird, but it makes sense. This theory was put forward by a neuroscientist named David Eagleman, and it’s called temporal binding. It’s built around the idea that we experience the world in packets of information that are gathered by our senses and processed in the brain. Different parts of the body, even if they receive information at the same time, take slightly different amounts of time to get to the brain. Say you’re texting someone, and you hit your head on a telephone pole at the same time that you stub your toe on the same pole—in theory, the information collected from your head injury will get to your brain faster than the information from your toe will, but you’ll think you feel them at the same time. That’s because the brain defaults to a sort of sensory organizational chart that puts things in an order that makes the most amount of sense to us. That delay in processing information is what makes short people more “in-the-moment.” A shorter person is actually experiencing a more accurate version of time, because there’s less of a delay in information getting to the brain.
Time is Slowing Down—And We Can See
One of the long-standing problems of physics has been the existence of dark energy. We can see its effects, but we have no idea what it is. A team of professors from the University of the Basque Country, Bilbao, and the University of Salamanca in Spain have suggested that all our efforts to find and define dark energy have been in vain simply because there’s no such thing. Instead, they say, all the effects of dark energy can be explained by the alternate idea that what we’re really seeing is time slowing down on its way to an eventual stop. Take the astronomical phenomenon of red shift. When we see stars that have a light wavelength that’s red, we know that they’re accelerating. The group of Spanish professors is now explaining the phenomenon of the universe’s acceleration as being the result not of the presence of dark energy, but simply an illusion created by time slowing down. Light takes a good amount of time to reach us, and by the time it does, time has slowed down for us, making it look as though everything is accelerating away. The time-slow is extremely, immeasurably minute, but given the vastness of space, it’s magnified over the mind-boggling amount of distance, meaning that we can see it when we look to the stars. They also say that, gradually, time will continue to slow until it just stops completely. The universe will freeze the way that it is for all of eternity—but don’t worry, that’s billions of years away, and Earth will no longer be around by then.
Part 2: http://imgur.com/gallery/8BJUe
Source because I forgot to include it!: http://listverse.com/2015/01/07/10-mind-blowing-attempts-at-explaining-time/
Kazzack
"5 out of 10 mind blowing..." Fuck your clickbait
TopsunPB
Ask Dialga
HereticsAllOfYou
Saint Augustine sounds like he's borrowing a lot from Heraclitus.
auvr
He found heraclitus?! He should draw a diagram for the rest of the guys.
rstanley
Time is simply the universe keeping everything from happening at once.
mutedog
If time is slowing down as time goes on then why does time go faster the longer you've been alive?
theshrektacularshrek
That is to do with human perception. As you age, your brain slows down. Making you think that time is going faster.
dartpuncha
As a tall person, I can say "it's raining" and short people will take longer to catch up... Yep, just blew that theory to pieces. Science
mackaphoy
I'm way too stupid
telorian45
TLDR: Wibbly wobbly, timey wimey
Samoht
I don't think Time is real. it's only a measurement of 'rate of change'. There isn't anything that IS Time, like there is space.
jonestown
perception of 'rate of change'
Vedar
What time is and how we experience it are 2 different things entirely.
iOnlySpeakTennant
ICreatedThisAccountToAnswerAQuestionCallMeRube
Well put sir
iOnlySpeakTennant
icomehereforthecomments
Whenever I try and picture time before time, I just stop and remind myself that my brain is linear and I won't understand it. Boop!
downinthesky
I'm high, please stop the mind fuckery
havefunfindingme
Time flies like an arrow, and fruit flies like a banana.
Erinkitties
LISTVERSE!!!
Jupiterisaplanet
TL;DR You know how time flies when you're having fun? Yeah. That.
skellious
I love the saying "Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana." It makes me laugh every time I read it.
HomelessToddler
Boredom is the key to longevity.
bigfloppydonkydong
When I bang your mom time is like a supersonic jet!
shovethis
Life is just a series of experiments and results and you'll be perfect when you're dead.
lookatthatfatkid
Well its about time!
Eskandar
http://imgur.com/ttJnk76
THEDEATHOFRATS
I actually have a theory about this. I think that you have fun because time flies, not the other way around. time perception is 1/?
THEDEATHOFRATS
tied to attention, so a distracting (or fun) task seems to take less time. So, if you can manipulate a person's perception of time 2/3
THEDEATHOFRATS
you can manipulate how they felt about that period of time. 3/3
thehoopiestfrood
Or as the frog says, time's fun when you're having flies.
NotPoisonedISwear
And how unpleasant moments drag on and on. Time's an asshole.
TheWolf277
I think this too, but then I thought, most of our life isn't spent having fun. If time acted in the opposite way, our lives would feel (1/2)
TheWolf277
shorter. (2/2)
NylonSheep
Every fuckin time.
moggli
Atleast buy my mind a dinner and a movie before you fuck it
QueenofCraptarctica
The Doctor explained it best: http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lb7h95OJLo1qzxfyto1_500.gif
millionthhunter
not enough space to type what i think about time. i think so anyways
IamAreyou
r/trees
NothingButReposts
You ran out of time space?
tolatetocomment
Paradoxically not enough time either
volumetricsteve
TL;DR reality is perception
Arakon
Alone of all the creatures in the world, trolls believe that all living things go through Time backwards. 1/2
Arakon
If the past is visible and the future is hidden, they say, then it means you must be facing the wrong way. 2/2
BranflakeThug
Come on OP http://listverse.com/2015/01/07/10-mind-blowing-attempts-at-explaining-time/
RebelJane
Sorry about that. I added it at the bottom but it didn't post? I tried editing but I'm not the smartest person in the world! :)
hullabaloo70
Only time will tell
mintcranberry
It's ok, everyone believes you
figsbar
Well that was past you, and we're not even sure if he even ever existed anymore (right?)
BranflakeThug
No worries, its the thought that counts ;)
stickmanprime
There is a lot of incorrect and misleading information in this post.
inventorOfTheTurtleNeck
They are theories. There's nothing proven about them, but nothing is really certain about the idea of time so it cannot make these incorrect
naposaurus
except for all the physics theories about the idea of time
jonestown
explain. in 140 characters or less. (-;
IgnoramusScumbag
(Insert perfectly timed joke here)
Tzaot
Your joke is within itself! o_o
ThereIsNothingMoreIHateThanAnything
*grabs head* IMPOSSIBLE *explodes*
ChefShwasty
This is from Listverse. Cite it, they do Good work.
cntdstr0yr
i just checked it out. Thanks!
RebelJane
Sorry about that. I added it at the bottom but it didn't post? I tried editing but I'm not the smartest person in the world! :)
whatawasteoftea
The work is so good that it is capitalised.
Rhodian
The random capitalization in your second sentence confuses me greatly.
ChefShwasty
Phone autocorrect. It's fickle.
skellious
You're doing Good's work
Dragula13
Stupid auto correct.
sailormoon4life
TIL that as a short person I get more out of time
Perrydise
Short people: reaching the future before you.
THISISDARIANS
Got it,I'm 6'00"...Anyone can chop my feet ?
Tzaot
Sure, and don't worry you will only feel the pain after a while! :D
CaptainCapitalAndHisPunctuationPals
Damn, that's why time in the Netherlands always seems to pass so fast. Or it could be our weed.
WowSuchTesla
It's a true shame I can't favourite comments, this one would've been ranked in my top 5
MrPornProfessional
But if we're to believe that gravity slows time, and gravity is greater closer to the Earth, doesn't it cancel out?
Tzaot
We don't do that lol. We believe shorter nerves make for shorter impulse-path and thus faster reflexes/imputs.
MrPornProfessional
Imputs?
Tzaot
Because idk how to name the nerval version of seeing an image.
TheGreatLeader
There's just one thing... you need to wake up.
WhenTheMusicsOver
As a tall person, you're my fetish if you're female and under 5'3.... I can do with getting less out of time :#
sailormoon4life
I'm 5'2 and I like tall guys ;) you are also my fetish if you're a guy
Tzaot
And let me guess, you live in a proximity of approximated 20.000 miles from each other?
WhenTheMusicsOver
You know, you're going to eat your hat if we both end up being from the same city -.-
Tzaot
And I as a tall person feel a bit disadvantaged now. I couldn't beat a ninja that had the same training but was a bit shorter.
scabab
you've really taken a liberty with that conclusion... his theory just says that you have a more immediate perception of stubbing your toe.
TheSwedishCryptid
Well, since time is relative to speed, and a short person is closer to the ground (and thus have more gravity affecting them) 1/2
sailormoon4life
It's all about perception
TheSwedishCryptid
and thus their perception of time is slightly different. (Slower)
scabab
somehow i dont think this is the kind of debate einstein had in mind when he called it "special" relativity.
TheSwedishCryptid
However, the difference is so small, it's pretty much 0
AllIHaveHadTodayIsLikeSixGummyBearsAndSomeScotch
I wonder which effect is stronger^^
AllIHaveHadTodayIsLikeSixGummyBearsAndSomeScotch
Yeah but taller people move faster (further away from the rotational axis) which makes time slow down for them relative to slower people.
scabab
any further conclusion would be false because short people still have the same neural path length to eyes, ears, tongue etc.
Rhodan
The idea is that your brain accounts for the delay in sensory input from different parts of the body and processes them all at once. 1/2
krauraurgg
Considering how imperceivably small the differences are, that seems unlikely. There's just nothing to gain from such a mechanism.
Rhodan
The article I linked in an earlier comment has an experiment that suggests otherwise. (I'm so sorry for sounding like one of those people)
scabab
i would love to see evidence of that
Rhodan
There's likely to be other potential explanations for the observed events, of course. Theories are fun!
Rhodan
Here's the full article: http://eagleman.com/blog/item/6-brain-time (Do a search for "key-press" to find the relevant experiment)
LoneDirewolf
Flyingpig2
these weren't even complex concepts...
newTARwhoDIS
Young Jennifer Mozely stumbles into Cookie's lab, but she is experiences a science overdose
chilipizza
This needs more love.
TitaTitanium
philosophy
IamAreyou
Perfect.
LinearOperator
The first three weren't actually science
owlest
lol wut
FloridaMansSideKick
The logo is Croatia's national tv HRT. The show, I don't know.
WarJesus420
Context?
ObamasHairyAnus
She watched to much porn
WarJesus420
Oh I get it now.
ItsClemFandangoStevenCanYouHearMe
if I recall correctly she was on a kids show and she was pregnant. Made her dizzy and confused, probably early symptoms she wasnt used to.
LastAvailableImgurUsername
link?
ItsClemFandangoStevenCanYouHearMe
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--ygSaeGLV--/oawwhkmymccyrcvhhol0.png
LastAvailableImgurUsername
touche
CardinalJ
AFAIK redshift means that the object is accelerating away from point of observation, while blueshift means it's accelerating towards it.
Rc58
Not necessarily accelerating, I believe. Just moving relative to the observer.
iGoAwayButWeAreTwoOfSoul
Started looking for this comment as soon as I saw that sentence.
AllIHaveHadTodayIsLikeSixGummyBearsAndSomeScotch
Yeah I don't know why the wavelength should change just because time slows down. c stays the same.
JaccoW
Doppler effect. But with light
AllIHaveHadTodayIsLikeSixGummyBearsAndSomeScotch
Last time I checked the Doppler effect had nothing to do with time getting slower.
JaccoW
The speed of sounds doesn't change either. But the wavelength of light can certainly change
AllIHaveHadTodayIsLikeSixGummyBearsAndSomeScotch
Of course it can if you're a moving observer relative to the light source. The article says nothing of the sort.
JaccoW
LMFGTFY: http://archive.ncsa.illinois.edu/Cyberia/Bima/doppler.html
AllIHaveHadTodayIsLikeSixGummyBearsAndSomeScotch
I know what the fucking Doppler effect is, just not why time slowing down (whatever that is) has any influence on it.
JaccoW
If c (speed of light) is constant over a certain time, the stretching of time can cause the stretching of the wavelength
AllIHaveHadTodayIsLikeSixGummyBearsAndSomeScotch
Why, the speed of light is defined by the time. No clue how time can get "slower" (because "fast" and "slow" describe time spent), but 1/2
AllIHaveHadTodayIsLikeSixGummyBearsAndSomeScotch
the speed of light would stay the same for the observer, and so would the frequency.
HashtagDadJokes
Time does not exist and the speed at which events take place is relative to all who perceive them.
Wuffo
Question: if time slows down, wouldn't the processing speed of our brains slow down as well?So we could never truly "perceive" time slow?
melmonella
Yes. Everything this post said is in no way related to modern physics. This explains it better: http://lesswrong.com/lw/qp/timeless_physics/
Runikal
Finally someone speaking sense. These physicists are all on crack :-)
MrBananaBeak
Go Einstein!
AlexJohnsonSays
Actually time has a pixel lenth of about 10^43 seconds. Time is a product of space. Look up Plank Second
TheNextBestUsername
How do you account for the orderly time progression of the infant Universe if time requires life to perceive it?
Runikal
The "progression" is only perceived because we perceived it. Yes, that stuff happened, but life is the only thing that can perceive that.
HashtagDadJokes
Easily, but I am a Christian.
DUSTANDECHOES
You don't need facts when you have faith.
Tzaot
As a matter of fact you need facts more with faith than without. People use faith also to handle morale so you have to create fool-proof(1)
Tzaot
(2) messages, which then require awfully lots of facts. Like "God loves you, but will also punish if-"
PhobicNest
Honest question, do you have any apologetics regarding relativity?
betavirus
You have it backwards. Life needs perception to experience time. It's an evolutionary trait gained so we can react to stimuli. (1/2)
betavirus
Time is just a measurement in the same way length is. Where does the universe start and end? it doesn't. same with time.
TheNextBestUsername
I don't have it backwards. My question arose from the parent comment's assertion, and was designed to illustrate the flawed logic.
Tzaot
1.You need time to think about your own thoughts. Thoughts seem to be towers or piles made of memory.
Tzaot
The memory can create itself from itself. If we went by the law of energy, life is the balancing of thoughts.
Tzaot
Aha, so you want to make someone see the flaws in their logic, using your logic to reflect back at them. This is where I get curious!
TheNextBestUsername
My intent wasn't to "make" him see anything. Only present a thought as a question. I was curious if he had an answer & I was not surprised.
betavirus
I cant speak to time being relative to the experiencer other than the whole % of life = perceived speed of time some people mention (1/2)
betavirus
when talking about why time seems to go so slow when you are young and so fast when you are old (2/2)
Tzaot
2. The "shape" of a thought is just as silly as the "shape of time". Time and thoughts shape after their owners will.
Tzaot
In my one explaination of reality, I see that time is god's thought and matter is god's brain. However this stands in conflict with
Tzaot
Another theory I had is, that time and thoughts are in fact one and the same thing and the brain is a sort of rail-switch for time.