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If you've been on here lately, you've probably seen a lot of pictures of this guy. And rightly so.
There are 320,000,000 people in the United States. 87% of them use the internet, and that number is growing all the time (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/09/07/some-americans-dont-use-the-internet-who-are-they/)
Of those, approximately 100,000,000 are of an age (under 13, over 70) so as to be reasonably expected to either not know or not care about this issue.
Of the remaining 220,000,000 or so, approximately 10% took the time to send an individual comment to the FCC regarding the repeal of Net Neutrality.
The overwhelming majority - over 98.5% of unique comments (https://arstechnica.com/…/isp-funded-study-finds-huge-supp…/) - were in favor of maintaining current rules.
The only voices opposed are those looking to profit off of the repeal (large monopolistic ISPs) and the approximately 20% of overall comments that were so formlike in their consistency that they were almost surely submitted by bots (https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/43a5kg/80-percent-net-neutrality-comments-bots-astroturfing) (http://thehill.com/policy/technology/361509-ny-ag-probing-massive-scheme-to-influence-fcc-on-net-neutrality-with-fake).
That's why this image is so popular right now.
INCREDIBLY popular. If you've been to Reddit, it looks a lot like this right now.
You may have seen mock-ups like this.
And if you think, 'Oh, that's outdated crap' or 'that's alarmist and unrealistic'...these are real plans from Portugal (which has no net neutrality laws)
Edit: this is apparently part of a mobile plan, not home internet. Nonetheless, the general concept of what tiered pricing might look like remains broadly valid.
Edit 2: YES I AM AWARE THIS IS A CELL PLAN AND OVER DATA CHARGES. I WAS MISTAKEN. PLEASE READ CAPTIONS BEFORE TELLING ME THIS FOR THE 30TH TIME. I LOVE YOU ALL. (large text so maybe this gets seen)
It's not hypothetical here in the US either. This is a list some Redditors generated to document all the times ISPs in the US have tried to rig access to the internet to their own financial advantage - and been slapped down for it. That would be perfectly legal now. (https://np.reddit.com/r/KeepOurNetFree/comments/7ej1nd/fcc_unveils_its_plan_to_repeal_net_neutrality/dq5hlwd/?sh=45a33b81&st=JAA62V5F)
Many people think Congress could do something (they could), and have been sharing pleas to call them and tell them to save Net Neutrality. The problem is, they're led by Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell, who only share about 1/3 of a backbone between them. Even if they weren't ideologically on Pai's side, they still would never spend the political capital needed to reverse this at the 11th hour. And even if they did, there's zero chance Presiden Trump would sign it.
And here's the cold hard truth: this vote is going to pass. Sure, there will be immediate lawsuits, but the reality in your near term is that Net Neutrality is going to be repealed. Processes like the above won't happen the day after the vote, but some test form of them is coming (image adapted from: http://theoatmeal.com/blog/net_neutrality)
So is this it? If the vote to repeal Net Neutrality is all but inevitable, and Congress all but certain not to act, is there nothing an internet-loving citizen can do?
Actually, there IS some hope.
Remember the system of checks and balances from civics 101? Well...it plays a role here.
You see this nice lady? Her name is Maureen K. Ohlhausen, and she's the Acting head of the Federal Trade Commission. The FTC is an independent agency of the United States government, established in 1914 by the Federal Trade Commission Act. Its principal mission is the promotion of consumer protection and the elimination and prevention of anticompetitive business practices, such as coercive monopoly.
Unlike FCC which is purely regulatory in nature, FTC has an enforcement mission as well. As in, it can send you to jail.
FTC is the primary protection for consumers against anti-competitive practices.
Now, it's not a silver bullet. Unlike FCC, which can fix things in advance, FTC has to wait for an actual abuse to occur, and be reported. Then they have to investigate it. So they can't keep an abuse from happening. But they *can* stop one in its tracks if it's reported.
But you have to report it.
And that's where YOU come in.
If your internet speed suddenly plummets, or your Netflix seems to never leave 'blurry' mode, or you can only game at 1/3 the speed you used to be able to, *document it and tell the FTC*. They CAN actually do something, but ONLY if you tell them. Their complaint assistant is here:(https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/)
Don't abuse it and don't spam it - that's like making false calls to the police - but if they suddenly see a 300% spike in reported ISP-related complaints, they'll act.
Further reading:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/06/forget-the-fcc-should-the-ftc-enforce-net-neutrality/456918/
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/technology/348529-after-the-fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-the-ftc-wont-leave
https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/press-releases/2017/11/ftc-testifies-house-judiciary-subcommittee-net-neutrality
Brave cat tax (internet pic, not my kitty).
The repeal of Net Neutrality isn't fun, but there IS something we can do about it. Most people either don't know about FTC, or think it only applies between large companies. It's YOUR agency, and there to serve YOU. Use it! And get the word out!
Thanks for reading.
JabbaTheHun
I actually had no idea that the FTC was a viable damage control option. Thank you for sharing
andtheseashalltell
Glad to be of service!
enggirl
Another way to help-> Provide written complaint. Here is linky fcc.gov/ecfs/filings/express Use Filing 17-108
DracoSafarius
Done
Gettingmygrade10
Repeal it and let us go back to 2015
DogLuckyLuckyDog
the majority of people may not be writing their congresspeople about this issue, but I bet more are writing in about this than anything else
GrumpyEditor
You’re right. It will pass. When it comes time to vote, do it. Protest votes are bullshit.
PartyMarty92
What if it's like a highway where 18 wheelers have to pay more in fees depending on how much weight is carried.
Alvatore
Do you honestly trust your ISP not to do this -and- charge you more as well, given the ability to do so? I sure as fuck don't.
PartyMarty92
I believe that no one would use it and other companies would take over
Alvatore
Considering how in most of America, people don't have a meaningful choice of ISPs and the enormous cost of setting up a new ISP - 1/2
Alvatore
assuming you're not in a municipality that has created laws rendering such an act effectively impossible - what other companies? 2/2
nommon
Can we report the FCC to the FTC?
surroundedbystupid
The guy at the beginning.....yeah that guy... FUCK THAT GUY.
HULKAMANIABROTHER
@ExtraUpvote
ExtraUpvote
+1
Adato88
Portugal do have net neutrality laws they are part of the European Union which have laws in place to protect it, and was tightened a yearago
SweatyPie
http://www.9news.com/news/local/verify/verify-what-does-portugal-have-to-do-with-us-dumping-net-neutrality-/494021679
TheBaconQueen
I'm wondering tho. If you charge for the access to a product, aren't you using their name to make profit? isn't that against the law?
TheBaconQueen
Especially products you're already paying for, like Netflix. How would they justify charging you extra for access to it? O.o
iLoveBigButs
When you pay for Netflix, you pay to access the data, not how much bandwidth you can use to access said data.
GingerLaird
There is an episode of Black Mirror that everyone should watch. It's about people on bicycles generating energy for everyone else.
adaquo
15 milllion merits. not just my favorite episodes but favorite pieces of film in general. seem it maybe 10 times now
ClamSlammingWhovian
That show is amazing, especially that episode. Really makes you think. It could easily be our real future...
terf
Almonds activated.
GingerLaird
Guaranteed future if we don't nip this problem in the but right now.
eggboy
Also, Schneiderman is after them too. Obstruction of justice when he looked into identity theft regarding the fake supporters of the repeal
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eggboy
Definitely, he's who takes over from Mueller at state level if Trump fires him and pardons the cunts.
eggboy
http://thehill.com/policy/technology/361509-ny-ag-probing-massive-scheme-to-influence-fcc-on-net-neutrality-with-fake
Koravel34
That SmartNet image from Portugal is misleading. I am all for NN, but don't use misleading info to promote it, as it undermines our argument
Koravel34
That image is for mobile users only, and it specifies sites that can pay a fee to have them not count against your data. They are not
Koravel34
censoring those sites to anyone, merely allowing you to pay a monthly fee so that those websites don't count against your data limit.
Koravel34
It is an open question whether or not that's a good idea, but it's not what is being implied by lumping that picture in with the others.
giraffinator
The person who is behind saving Net neutrality will be hailed a hero by the people
dachicken
Can't see this not passing. The effort will be in the cleanup after.
NKato
McConnel and Paul Ryan are going to lose their jobs if they don't do something. And they'll realize that when it's too late.
wantednokes
Would it be possible to build our own internet from scratch?
twozerooz
Yeah if you have a spare trillion lying around
endersjeesh
With blackjack and hookers!
terf
TeslaNet
wantednokes
Or, maybe we can desguise our traffic as approved by our ISPs?
wantednokes
*Disguise
funwithwords
Let's cut the complaining and march!
Chakra5
https://events.battleforthenet.com/
PenguinActually
So is there anything someone from outside the U.S can do?
AikoMizushima
Spread awareness amongst US friends.
LaughingSeraphim
Please listen to me. Unless people, all those who can, physically show up in dc and physically protest in front of congress AND the fcc...
Drewscifer
Why don't one of you report him for fraud waste or abuse to their IG? Pretty sure he's fucked on travel or use of purchase cards
chiken787
I'm just wondering why do they want to get rid of net neutrality? Like what are their reasons?
NKato
Money. Duh. America has been sold to the corporates, remember?
slickrick9
$$$$$
ducky89
Serious question: what does the FCC define as abuse? Could I call once a day and be a concerned constituent? Or is it just call once?
Koravel34
The FCC doesn't give a shit. They have been shown to have a massive group of bots that are all posting the same crap on their articles
Koravel34
in an attempt to drown out the real people posting. They will ignore anything we do. Only way to stop this is having Congress overturn.
pandro
to be taken seriously, I think we should call when they try to charge us for shit, or when netflix has to up their rates to cover it? 1/
twozerooz
What can the FTC do if that type of activity is made legal?
pandro
what are any of the other types of complaints going to do, lol? it's more concreye than "I think my internet is slower" :-)
pandro
I mean, think. If we called everytime our internet slowed down (which can happen now for no reason lol) nobody will take it seriously. 2/2
RememberTheC4nt
As a German: US citizen protect your net Neutrality. Not just for America also for every Nation with Net Neutrality!
PrcorastinatingProcrastinatorisprocrasting
Fuck yeah! Save germany first!
ensensu
What a role reversal. Germany needs saving from corporate america.
minkeymagik
SunderedShadow
Problem is assholes like his will vote how they vote without caring what the public thinks, is all about who has the money.
Raz0rking
yeah...as soon as "the americans do it too" is in brussels, we are fucked
Terminology
NN has been law in the EU for years and it would take tremendous European approval to repeal that. The US does not set the Euro agenda.
mrsuzukiami
Wait until health care is reformed in this country and you have to pony up.
TakeMeToFrontPageAndBackFiveTimesADay
Fucking scared that the U.K. will scrap them when we leave too :/
HandsWillNeverFit
Already been said that they'll be made into British law
TakeMeToFrontPageAndBackFiveTimesADay
Ah yes, politicians and promises, they always go well together don't they?
Chakra5
We're trying German brother. We're tryin. Truth is, it's going to take a while to get ourselves back out of this one. Keep pulling with us!!
CokedUpPancake
As someone from the UK, is there anything we could do?
CRTBOTF2
We haven't even got net neutrality in the UK, maybe we should sort our own shit out before we worry about America?
andtheseashalltell
Only indirectly. If you were to somehow uncover evidence of a US ISP not playing fair, you could report it. Otherwise...not really.
Phustercluck
Recolonize
BopNiblets
Agent Gordon Ramsey has failed, activate Agent Patrick Stewart...
Koravel34
Send in 007 to kidnap Ajit Pai.
pandro
I'd like a nice cup of tea to soothe my nerves in these trying times. Three lumps.
Chakra5
Revote on Brexit?? Make sure your leaders know that the UK should avoid as much business with US telecoms in protest?
Chakra5
Frankly one thing that keeps buoying my spirits are people from around the globe pulling for us to straighten this shit out! Keep cheering!
Elephanthead
Can you create a whole new internet? With blackjack and hookers...well, MORE blackjack and hookers. The current one is pretty rad, for now.
Groose
Get the word out like I am doing
LegoStomper
Wake me up. I'm getting tired of this fever dream. America is a fucking meme.
EXiSTENCEthreshold
Let's hope they also throttle US website speeds for foreigners who do not pay. Then there might be a chance
Anpumon
Hack our elections the same way Russia did? :P
AhelpingOfRumHam
Upvotes the shit out of this. I hate to admit but as long as that shit head Trump is in office we can do virtually nothing to save NN
zackofspades
Yep. This died last Nov. DO NOT FORGET AND VOTE OUT GOP IN 2018 (and beyond...only way to get it back)
Linus021
Dumb question. How is Trump involved in this?
WarlockSniper
He appointed the Pie Cunt currently in charge of FCC.
andtheseashalltell
The President appoints head of agencies, and provides broad policy guidance. He also can veto Congressional bills to regulate.
alliwantisagoddamecookie
can trump veto this?
frake
lol
andtheseashalltell
FCC action, no; a bill by Congress to get around that action, yes.
NotABadLookingNarcissist
Well he did say he'd remove 2 regulations for every 1 created...because he's a child, and that's how children think regulations work.
Predicto
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/532608358508167168?lang=en Trump appointed Pai precisely to do this crap for him
mthrndr01
He appoints people to these regulatory bodies. Well, his administration, I don't know how much of the actual work he does.
segfaultytowers
He answers the phone sometimes: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/6E7_84nCAWwZtASmFwkripBPoSOPyjPAxweycEA8pupvFpZ0_I7LFKMKqbf_HXQUmJgU=h900
AlexanderJonesAndTheSecretEmailServer
Everything I don't like is Trump's fault." Net neutrality is bad for the internet. Every wonder why Google fiber won't kick your local ISP's
AlexanderJonesAndTheSecretEmailServer
ass out of town? I mean they're obviously better right. Well thanks to NN they wouldn't make any profit from it so they don't bother.
Counterfit
Listening to Alex Jones is bad for your health
AlexanderJonesAndTheSecretEmailServer
Lol someone gets the joke!
RampantWolf
Troll attack spotted.
AlexanderJonesAndTheSecretEmailServer
I'm so glad my argument got you to straw man me. That's a clear sign that I have beaten you. *tips fedora*
SuicidalRubberDucky
Holy shit. This account was made yesterday and has only commented about anti NN. lol the agendas.
AlexanderJonesAndTheSecretEmailServer
Yeah I know Imgur deleted my account whenever I commented about net neutrality idk how long this one will last
Counterfit
Just look at the name. It tells you everything you need to know
dirtyjack
Who downvotes this?
SamanosukeOnimusha
AikoMizushima
A shit pie.
Bullheadbelly
Apparently Russian Bots
creefer
I do. You are all suckers believing this shit. It's an unnecessary government power grab and all government does is screw things up.
creefer
But goodluck telling the lemming millenials around here that. Too hooked on Big G to know any better.
twozerooz
How is it a power grab? Thats like saying laws preventing companies from dumping toxic waste is a power grab
Chakra5
How exactly is net neutrality doing bad things for anyone exactly?
crazyhindu
How is not wanting companies to control and throttle the internet to the point of paying for each individual website. A fucking power grab
NateMo
Question, what if our IPS does not pull this shit, am i in the clear? I have wide open west and they dont do the data cap thing like most
SpaceSphere
Data caps are not the same as anti net neutrality. But that's not to say they're good either. Truth is that the Internet business is f'd up
NateMo
I should be clear, my isp has stated that they never, nor will ever throttle or control my internet. Netflix speed test proves speed part
IAmTheMadLord
Then you have a rare, and wonderful thing. Cherish it.
Alvatore
It depends enormously on whether or not your ISP owns the infrastructure they're using or if they're operating over Big ISP cables 1/2
Alvatore
that were put down w/Federal grant money. NN requires Big ISP to share those grant cables. No more NN = Big ISP can say "get fucked". 2/2
Kizsurian
Most will not be so lucky, unfortunately.
NateMo
Yea that sucks. I just switched from Comcast because wow was half the price
Kizsurian
We're stuck with Cox in my area, or AT&T. Neither are particularly cheap or amazing.
Polysomnos
Who was it that appointed this idiot to the FCC?
Anpumon
Donald Trump.
ApplesdaKitty
the greatest, the est, and everybody loves him, you ask, and he comes Yeeeeuuuuuuge! Its retard pumpkin!
andtheseashalltell
The President appoints head of regulatory agencies, with the advice and consent of the Senate.
Polysomnos
Who was pres in 2012?
residentolive
Hi dumbass, Obama made him a member, Trump made him CHAIR. Those are very different positions. You're welcome for the info.
Chakra5
And as has been pointed out repeatedly, Obama made him a member based on traditional respect shown to Mitch McConnell's wishes.
andtheseashalltell
See comment below, to avoid thread duplication.
HitandRyan
Donald J Trump
ryand
Obama originally appointed him to the commission. Trump merely made him the chair
AlrightKeepYourSecrets
"Merely"? Obama put him in as an appeasement tactic, trump put him in power.
frake
Thanks Republicans!!! You fucked us all including yourself!!!
Alvatore
What a time to be alive.
Chakra5
Theme for 2017 so far.
spiffynidd
The Cheeto in Chief.
terf
GRRUMMPPFFF!!!!!
Polysomnos
Guess again. He was appointed in 2012.
Bullheadbelly
Yeah, but you only bring it up to be decisive which makes me think you probably don’t support net Neutrality or your fellow countrymen.
ryand
Or maybe he's bringing it up because its the factual answer
andtheseashalltell
Kinda/sorta. Obama put him on the commission to try and appease McConnell. It didn't work. Trump made him chair.
YourWaifuIsTrash
Because guidelines forced Obama to put a conservative on the FCC. Pres. Cheeto made him chairman.
Tyrannotron
He was appointed as a member of the FCC by Obama and appointed Chairman of the FCC by Trump.
zackofspades
Tom Wheeler, former Chairman under Obama, would’ve NEVER allowed this. He called this move “tragic”. NN is a Dem issue, only.
APinkDragon
Bitch, no it's not. This is company vs consumer. Not purely Democratic.
zackofspades
Dem lawmakers would save NN, and they did under Obama. Vote smarter if you want it back, it’s gone now.
APinkDragon
Please, Dem lawmakers simply aren't getting money. Neither side really cares. Dems just don't have the money to not get reelected yet.
magneato
It's important to note that Pai was confirmed unanimously as a member and then narrowly as chairman, almost entirely along party lines
worldsokayestspeler
Thanks obama and trump
margaretolson
Marigore
Obama is for Net Neutrality
SuspiciousCactus
Then he appointed the wrong guy?
Alvatore
Legally, FCC appointments must be kept in political balance. Obama appointed the opposition's recommendation, b/c it's tradition.
NotSoSmartAlek
Hey now, Obama HAD to appoint a conservative, thanks to guidelines already in place. Now who put those guidelines in?
GetInLosersWereGonnaDoScience
He had to appoint 2 conservatives and Mitch McConnell nominated Ajit Fuckface.
falconlordhank24
Obamas a piece of shit, he got us into more wars, expanded drone strikes, screwed poor people...
prolificchicken
that's kind of what presidents ( and politicians in general) do
ButchMcKenzie
Yeah cause cheeto over here isn't running his mouth trying to get us in a war and screwing poor people. Also
angelwkw3
Ah yes the wars BUSH started for NO reason. Found them nukes we did? lol. Another brainwashed republican
NotSoSmartAlek
inherited Bush's wars... took down Bin Laden... what new wars did he get us in?
NotSoSmartAlek
umm... helped poor people (ACA may be crap, but it's better than nothing and better than what Trump wants to put in)
Neverwhen
The collective nerd rage, as soon as everyone realizes they have to pay extra to get what was once easy to access, will be astonishing.
phar0h
Lotsa nerds voted Trump and R down the ticket. Until that stops these types of posts are pointless. Elections have consequences not upvotes.
SPCNewbie
Maybe we should tag it if net neutrality dies every game becomes pay to win lol
Neverwhen
"If you think lootbox gambling is bad, imagine paying to get on a server that you already paid $60 to get access to" I'm bad at slogans.
SPCNewbie
lol unlock the COD package to get priority speed for all you COD needs and streamers may need to pay for their uploads
TheDivineUsersub
As a solitary sedentary nerd gamer bachelor with an unharmed credit score & no criminal record, I am mentally prepared to physically -
TheDivineUsersub
- riot because this is the 4th or 5th time in the past several years that the government or some monopoly has tried destroying online -
TheDivineUsersub
- freedoms and conveniences. No matter how democratically we've told them to fuck off, they just don't stop. They are no longer practicing -
TheDivineUsersub
- democracy when the people's decisions are blatantly ignored. So if the democratic process fails, then I'm going to start sharpening sticks
chiefs86
(3) You can't "destroy online freedoms and conveniences" that you just put into regulations two years ago.
chiefs86
(2) data as a guise to stop online piracy. Those were shitty Congressional bills. This is actually *reducing* government power.
chiefs86
You're actually off-base. If you recall SOPA/PIPA, those were *actually* government over-reaches of power. They wanted access to privacy..
Cela84
Or it will slowly become accepted like Daylight Savings Time or bottled water. Not saying it's good, but rage only carries so far.
Neverwhen
True, but I think it might crack into "actually doing something" territory- whether that "something" is a riot or voting differently, Idk.
richfiles
Or ignite a few Comcast service trucks... Trust me... I could see some of the nut jobs out there going that far.
Neverwhen
Oh dude, at the least.
richfiles
There are things I want to say, but I'd rather not end up on some alphabet soup organization's list. This man is a traitor to the people!