Yep. Not only did they fall for ANOTHER CON, they're going to be in pretty deep shit for carrying out actions that violate people's rights. No pardon for them either.
I demand accountability with the next administration. This is my one issue. The hill I’ll die on.
Nothing in our democracy matters if laws can be ignored and agendas forced upon the citizenry. Any issues I care deeply for don’t mean anything if we do not hold to the rule of law.
Dems abolishing ICE or cutting their pay is about as farcical as thinking Trump will lower your grocery bills. You think Chuck or Jeffries are gonna push for that? They've got kitchen table issues to discuss!
Late stage capitalism is going so well, people are getting into bed with a syphilitic fraudster at the mere promise of a signing bonus to join the brown shirt goon squad
They don't need salaries when they can steal anything you have on you when they "detain" you or break into your home. And never be prosecuted for it, just like their little brothers, the popo.
I think that everyone that was hired since the Orange Criminal took office is immediately fired. Budget cut to bare minimum. Obama deported more but didn't do it in a way that split the country.
1. It's not Trump's money to give, it's ours so they'll get paid because 2. In 5 years they'll control America and nobody, especially the useless Dems, will stop them
If not prosecuted, hopefully blacklisted from polite society, any government jobs and carry with you the stench of your gestapo tenure into every job interview for the rest of your miserable lives
It's been updated - Recruitment Incentive: Newly appointed Border Patrol Agents (as defined in 5 CFR 575.102) will be offered up to a $20,000 incentive. The first $10,000 will be paid upon successful completion of the academy, with the remaining $10,000 awarded for accepting a prioritized location. Retention Incentive: Newly appointed Border Patrol Agents may also qualify for up to $40,000 in additional incentives distributed over the next four years (effective December 1, 2025).
While you're right that we need a source, your own cite concludes "What cannot be definitively stated from these sources is the precise disbursement cadence (exact dates or amounts per year), variation among hire types, or the administrative mechanics for first payment and clawbacks, because those details are not publicly laid out in the supplied reporting" so the tweet "could be" true.
His whole schtick is that he knows the legal fees are likely higher, especially when up against someone like Trump, who will drag it out, sue you back frivolously etc., than the sum he owes you. For most of his life, Trump was basically a cockroach living in a crack of the american legal system. The precise crack being that money determines your stamina in legal disputes.
And long before that, he was infamous for stiffing contractors, suppliers and everyone else stupid enough to do business with his companies with a simple "You'll settle for pennies on the dollar, or I'll tie it up in courts until you go bankrupt and get nothing".
If you got a box of 100 "chocolates" and 95 of them were actual turds from a butt, would you still call it a box of chocolates or a box of shit? I know there is still five good ones but jesus the smell of collaboration is too much to ignore.
Thats pretty much what I wrote. They are the 2 sides of a coin, with some actual social (doesn't mean 'socialist'!) minded independents trying to run under the democrat banner.
No, nobody will be prosecuted. Let's not forget US is a fascist country. They voted in a free election for a know fascist TWICE. It's what they want, it's who they are.
Well, in this country, we used to have 3 branches of government: the Executive, Legislative and Judicial. And each would check each other’s power. Like for instance: the President used to have to get approval from the Legislative branch to, let’s say… invade a foreign sovereign nation and abduct their President and wife. Now you ask: does the judicial branch of government work? The answer is: mwap mwap *shrugs shoulders*
I doubt ICE members went to college. Most are excited to be making $100-200k a year with a high school education. Many can barely read resulting to most flunking out of an open book test.
You have to remain in the position in good standing or you have to pay back any portion given up to that point. At 10k a year of the 50k they are not likely willing to risk being fired and having to pay back spent money
When they're prosecuted and found guilty, what's the punishment in the United States for Treason? Just asking for a friend who wants to get into the firing squad business.
Idk what the current punishment is but I'm not opposed to embedding a swastika on their foreheads like in the ending of Inglorious Basterds. When it's all said and done, these dipshits shouldn't get to hide \in functioning society imo.
Bitch it's america. You've never once dealt with your white supremacy filth, you won't do it now. Their defence will be "woops" and you will do nothing.
Why use a firing squad where bullets costs money when you can use a trusty ol’ rope or axe where it can be used over and over again? That is unless we can charge the bullet cost to their estate. I think something like $500 a round seems fair (fyi, bullets usually cost no more than $.50 a round…so 1000x premium price seems fair for the damage they’ve caused).
Knowing the typical MAGA trigger happy red necks, they’d be all too happy to volunteer their services to shoot whoever…even if it’s their own family and friends.
Death penalty potentially, Imprisonment of not less than five years, A fine of not less than $10,000 (and potentially higher, under "this title" — Title 18 of the U.S. Code), Ineligibility to hold any office under the United States for life.
But they won't be tried for treason - that's an *incredibly* rare charge, like - there haven't been 100 people ever charged with treason in the US's history.
that's...not exactly true. We've been fascist at many points in our history - and we *did* have a whole ass rebellion where people literally took up arms against the US Government. It was kind of a big deal.
Yeah, totally getting prosecuted. By the Democrats. The same Democrats who last time were all "okay, well that's over, let's carry on like nothing happened."
And you people wonder why they're so fucking emboldened.
Yeah I have zero faith the Dems will prosecute anyone. They had all the evidence to prosecute the world's biggest pedophile for years, and they didn't do shit.
Kind of tough to do that with a boot on your neck. Got to be in power to change that, and then … most who get in go along to get along. Not all, but most.
Bingo, their ineptitude and milquetoast impotent response to the attempt to disrupt certification on January 6th is a direct contributing factor to the current mess. If the Democrat party were any less useless they'd be a fireman holding a bucket of kerosine.
Hopefully by then we will have replaced most of the establishment people. It may be necessary. Even if you do not vote in the general election vote in primaries. Support somebody actually progressive.
Plenty of us were seething over J6, but there was a non-stop squad of bad faith assclowns that kept insisting we had to have blind faith in Biden/Garland and that the wheels of justice turn slowly. Any of us who criticized that narrative were shouted down.
Yup. There is a good reason the Dems' approval rating is cratering. The American govt has never handed out true accountability. Even all the way back to the Civil War and the Nuremberg Trials. It's been a farce.
Direct prosecution no but they do go about it in other ways.
Example: Boeing CEO being made to appear in front of the Senate to explain the problems they had been having with their planes. This was while they were under investigation by the Justice department and yet Senators demanded more answers.
I don't know if they took action on Boeing afterwards, just wanted to use it as a non political example
WTF is happening here? Alternate reality USA?! Bannon, Manafort, Cohen, Navarro, Gates etc etc etc *ALL* went to prison ... 1500 insurrectionists were prosecuted ... the leader of the Proud Boys got 22 years, OathKeepers' leader 18years ... can you guess who pardoned each and every one of them? Can you guess who some of the new ICE agents are? Imagine, actual felons given guns, badges, and unwavering support, with financial incentives on top ...
Oh wow, they got a bunch of nobodies and a street thug leader patsy. Trump, members of Congress, Supreme Court Justices, numerous oligarch financiers, Chuck Flynn and the other traitors at the Pentagon, Secret Service members who backed it, etc. weren't prosecuted. Simply put, the people who mattered weren't indicted let alone convicted.
Throwing Trump's pardons out there is pure sophistry.
I take your point, the truly evil folk skated ... but prosecuting 1500 criminals is *still* closer to justice, than releasing them, arming them, and giving them authority to be cruel, no?
"you people" - how's that high horse working for you, bud? Talking like that to people who should nominally be on YOUR SIDE is a good way to drive wedges home further. Be better.
If being called out with harsh words is enough to make you oppose that person, then you were never on that side to begin with. Big boy issues sometimes require blunt talk, get over it and be better.
Same energy as the lady at thr last protest I went to screaming "where were you guys last time". Sorry? Guess I'll go home? Do you not want more support?
He's talking to the people on here who bernie bash and voter shame even as the DNC supports ICE and Isreal and props up the worst candidates while snubbing its voters.
Or, they're talking to the idiots out there who don't (or straight up can't) understand how they're getting away with all this shit around the world. Because everyone else is LETTING them. That's why. Those are the "you people."
Americans bellowing the loudest on every platform about their politics for over a decade garnering the attention of the world, and now that the time has come and gone to put those morals to the test rather than incessantly virtue signal about them, they're upset that the attention they've hoarded is all negative and the mental gymnastics of justification begin.
"Put up or shut up" has never meant more than it does now.
Being critical of the party you vote for, have always voted for, have donated to, have canvassed for, have gotten into arguments over and have lost friends and family for supporting is a normal part of having fully functioning cognition you absolute walnut. Demanding better of them is what is supposed to be the baseline, I know it gets confusing when you look across the aisle and see them lined up like sheep. Let's work together to make something better. The status quo is what led us here.
Democratic candidates typically win the majority vote. The electoral college is what fucks with the election results. Remember that Trump lost the popular vote in 2016 and 2020.
somebackup
No, they won't be prosecuted. America is too weak for it.
FinancialRavioli
The bonus is $10k/year for 5 years. IF THEY DON'T COMPLETE THE 5 YEARS, they have to pay back all the bonuses received.
Morons.
garently
Yep. Not only did they fall for ANOTHER CON, they're going to be in pretty deep shit for carrying out actions that violate people's rights. No pardon for them either.

Bojovnik84
They dont care. They got a gun and can kill people. Money was an afterthought.
GoddessPurpleFrost
*can kill people with total immunity and zero retaliation.
Elkku
You know.. just like they prosecuted Trump and all the others after Jan 6.
hfctom
I mean, they did prosecute a lot of the J6ers. And then because they didn't prosecute the ringleaders (it would have looked bad) they got pardoned.
chata954
Im surprised it's in writing at all....
woozle
they better use some of that money to get a lawyer. They're gonna need it.
Dracon27
They have to pay the money back if they can't finish, and the lawyer won't win vs the government for shit like that
woozle
I meant a defense attorney. :/
Neferium
I demand accountability with the next administration. This is my one issue. The hill I’ll die on.
Nothing in our democracy matters if laws can be ignored and agendas forced upon the citizenry. Any issues I care deeply for don’t mean anything if we do not hold to the rule of law.
Kalli
Dems abolishing ICE or cutting their pay is about as farcical as thinking Trump will lower your grocery bills. You think Chuck or Jeffries are gonna push for that? They've got kitchen table issues to discuss!
Jaqdakloun
Fuck Trump
CatSparkleBreaker
Late stage capitalism is going so well, people are getting into bed with a syphilitic fraudster at the mere promise of a signing bonus to join the brown shirt goon squad
HogulusPrime
They don't need salaries when they can steal anything you have on you when they "detain" you or break into your home. And never be prosecuted for it, just like their little brothers, the popo.
PostHartmann
I think that everyone that was hired since the Orange Criminal took office is immediately fired. Budget cut to bare minimum. Obama deported more but didn't do it in a way that split the country.
anender
DesdemonaMoor
Nor will he be around to pardon anyone convicted!
ablamboo2
1. It's not Trump's money to give, it's ours so they'll get paid because
2. In 5 years they'll control America and nobody, especially the useless Dems, will stop them
ItAintAllitsCrackedUpToBe
If not prosecuted, hopefully blacklisted from polite society, any government jobs and carry with you the stench of your gestapo tenure into every job interview for the rest of your miserable lives
Sebastopol140
lindabelchersfirstcousin
…if they could read.
techcitizen
That mean: ICE will be motivated to vote for Trump and be aggressive "vigilant" in the days of voting.
RubberMonkeys
Gonna need more info on this. Only thing I could find was the $50K is paid over three years. I didn't see anything about waiting five years. https://factually.co/fact-checks/government/ice-agent-50k-signing-bonus-timeline-696961
dizzyturtle
Shhhh, you're spoiling the propaganda.
marsilies
It's been updated - Recruitment Incentive: Newly appointed Border Patrol Agents (as defined in 5 CFR 575.102) will be offered up to a $20,000 incentive. The first $10,000 will be paid upon successful completion of the academy, with the remaining $10,000 awarded for accepting a prioritized location.
Retention Incentive: Newly appointed Border Patrol Agents may also qualify for up to $40,000 in additional incentives distributed over the next four years (effective December 1, 2025).
marsilies
https://careers.cbp.gov/s/applicant-resources/recruitment-and-retention-incentives
McUUID
We need someone to go through the process so they can get their hands on documents.
MeowWoof
While you're right that we need a source, your own cite concludes "What cannot be definitively stated from these sources is the precise disbursement cadence (exact dates or amounts per year), variation among hire types, or the administrative mechanics for first payment and clawbacks, because those details are not publicly laid out in the supplied reporting" so the tweet "could be" true.
BallsLikeWatermelonsPeckerLikeAThimble
Don’t confuse people with the truth when they’re enjoying the lies.
1stDrunkJoe
Wait one minute, your telling me the guy who defrauded his own charity for sick kids doesn't pay his bills?! I'm flabbergasted!!! S/
Khanamana324
Not if Democrats have anything to do with it.
Raventhief
Trump never pays anything. He had dozens of companies going after him and his campaigns for unpaid bills.
rich13surr365
i believe that's why he was outside during his "shooting" escapade.
jayman0123
He had entire states doing the same thing
xRevenx
He's also had a lot of construction companies coming after him for never paying when they built one of his many buildings/hotels
hfctom
He had entire cities going after him for unpaid bills.
ravenousj
He failed to pay $69.5m to workers of Taj Mahal. Bet many more construction projects.
MechKelly
And it still all got swept under the rug.
pitfallgalagatf2
New Jersey is packed with small businesses unpaid for work on Drumpf’s casinos.
JohnSmithterms
More like hundreds going back to his casino and various failed bankruptcies
curialis
only dozens?
pixelsnader
Simultaneously
Raventhief
Prolly more. I don't have a comprehensive list.
imnotinthewitnessprotectionprogram
I’d bet it was dozens of dozens
MinimumContributor
Hundreds of dozens
mercyPandaRunner
His whole schtick is that he knows the legal fees are likely higher, especially when up against someone like Trump, who will drag it out, sue you back frivolously etc., than the sum he owes you. For most of his life, Trump was basically a cockroach living in a crack of the american legal system. The precise crack being that money determines your stamina in legal disputes.
Daliena06
And long before that, he was infamous for stiffing contractors, suppliers and everyone else stupid enough to do business with his companies with a simple "You'll settle for pennies on the dollar, or I'll tie it up in courts until you go bankrupt and get nothing".
dawnkelly3160
And some did go bankrupt; he ruined people . And he gleefully bragged what a great business man he was. Scum .
hogeyegrex
Hell, the company that demo-ed the East Wing apparently hasn’t been paid. It’s just the way he works.
Redoneter593
Fuck... I wonder if and when someone will get so fed up with him not paying will try to kill him or hire someone to.
Daliena06
And yet people keep lining up. "Surely he won't rip ME off, I'm SPECIAL!"
BananaForScaIe
"Now that he has more power, he surely won't abuse it! He was just doing it cause he was a lowly *checks notes* billionaire developer and celebrity"
foxpotate
Sadly the dems are already talking about expanding ICE budgets.
Redoneter593
WHAT?!? (I need more memes for anger, wasn't expecting to use this one so much)
anender
They can join them, afaic
ThrowAwayAcct0000
Source?
DocNitro
With some exceptions, the 'Democrats' are just the 'carrot' half of the 'carrot and stick' combo.
Assume the two to mean the same to you.
foxpotate
If you got a box of 100 "chocolates" and 95 of them were actual turds from a butt, would you still call it a box of chocolates or a box of shit? I know there is still five good ones but jesus the smell of collaboration is too much to ignore.
DocNitro
Thats pretty much what I wrote. They are the 2 sides of a coin, with some actual social (doesn't mean 'socialist'!) minded independents trying to run under the democrat banner.
HenryLongfellowIII
Joke's on you. They would do this stuff for free.
taco81
Is this legit?
mormonbatman
We're never getting the US we had back.
ionlyregisteredtosavelinks
No, nobody will be prosecuted. Let's not forget US is a fascist country. They voted in a free election for a know fascist TWICE. It's what they want, it's who they are.
MatrimBloodyCauthon
Knock off the doomerism.
Howlingowl
Well, in this country, we used to have 3 branches of government: the Executive, Legislative and Judicial. And each would check each other’s power. Like for instance: the President used to have to get approval from the Legislative branch to, let’s say… invade a foreign sovereign nation and abduct their President and wife. Now you ask: does the judicial branch of government work? The answer is: mwap mwap *shrugs shoulders*
Stuffitwithbeans
No
xj4low
I doubt ICE members went to college. Most are excited to be making $100-200k a year with a high school education. Many can barely read resulting to most flunking out of an open book test.
KittyKlimt6
You guys make +100k with a high school education? O_o
ballisticks
I'm not even making that much with a college degree.
xj4low
The ICE agents do. I don't make that much with a college degree that I'm still paying for. But I get to sleep well at night.
P0werSurg3
That's pretty good. I went to college and I'm not making that. Almost makes me want to join ice and be the worst fucking employee they ever had
kermitdaftfrog
If you haven't seen it South Park did a fantastic parody of it this season
reichstein
It was last season (season 27), they're up to season 28 now.
FractalShoggoth
I'm not able to where I'm at, but this is exactly what I've wanted to do.
Hell, if nothing else, one could be a passable employee and just document *everything*.
arikelrecords2000
You have to remain in the position in good standing or you have to pay back any portion given up to that point. At 10k a year of the 50k they are not likely willing to risk being fired and having to pay back spent money
But you go for it. Fuck ICE
taez555
When they're prosecuted and found guilty, what's the punishment in the United States for Treason? Just asking for a friend who wants to get into the firing squad business.
Dragondraikk
Being put in the oval office presumably
eronth
Unless things escalate dramatically, I promise they won't be found guilty of Treason.
sinistralguy
Idk what the current punishment is but I'm not opposed to embedding a swastika on their foreheads like in the ending of Inglorious Basterds. When it's all said and done, these dipshits shouldn't get to hide \in functioning society imo.
VerboseDood61
I mean, I was just following orders has been proven to be an ineffective defense. So treason seems appropriate!!!
Goldensands
Bitch it's america. You've never once dealt with your white supremacy filth, you won't do it now. Their defence will be "woops" and you will do nothing.
Firestar002
“You signed up AFTER the orders were given. That defense does not apply.” If only…
taez555
"Don't worry, keep putting them in the ovens, we're safe...Hitler will just pardon us. There's nothing they can do. The law's the law."
stayingalive4life
Why use a firing squad where bullets costs money when you can use a trusty ol’ rope or axe where it can be used over and over again? That is unless we can charge the bullet cost to their estate. I think something like $500 a round seems fair (fyi, bullets usually cost no more than $.50 a round…so 1000x premium price seems fair for the damage they’ve caused).
taez555
Fun, mostly.
stayingalive4life
Knowing the typical MAGA trigger happy red necks, they’d be all too happy to volunteer their services to shoot whoever…even if it’s their own family and friends.
jayman0123
It's cost effective the conservatives, on at least, should love it
johnblood616
Firing squad is the only form of execution with 100% effectivness rate.
sloomoo
True, rope can be re-used, but hanging ropes were often cut up in pieces and became souvenirs.
ToSisPoS
And it will help promote the hemp industry
pgdave
Death penalty potentially, Imprisonment of not less than five years, A fine of not less than $10,000 (and potentially higher, under "this title" — Title 18 of the U.S. Code), Ineligibility to hold any office under the United States for life.
But they won't be tried for treason - that's an *incredibly* rare charge, like - there haven't been 100 people ever charged with treason in the US's history.
Niagaran
5 years for every person they kidnapped.
MySpareAccount
There's plenty of things they should be charged for, treason is not one of them. The legal definition of treason is very narrow.
taez555
We've never had a fascist takeover in American history either, so... first time for everything.
pgdave
that's...not exactly true. We've been fascist at many points in our history - and we *did* have a whole ass rebellion where people literally took up arms against the US Government. It was kind of a big deal.
DocFunkenstein
Yeah, totally getting prosecuted. By the Democrats. The same Democrats who last time were all "okay, well that's over, let's carry on like nothing happened."
And you people wonder why they're so fucking emboldened.
ZAPZAPMOTHAFUCKA
Everytime I post something like this, all I get is "Boaf sieds"
ThrowAwayAcct0000
Yeah I have zero faith the Dems will prosecute anyone. They had all the evidence to prosecute the world's biggest pedophile for years, and they didn't do shit.
Comet260
That's why people like Chuck Schumer have GOT TO GO. Preferably to Israel. After renouncing their US citizenship and pension.
PolitiCat
Most of the Democrats need to go too. Throw the system away and rebuild as a modern democracy from scratch.
Chalybos
Kind of tough to do that with a boot on your neck. Got to be in power to change that, and then … most who get in go along to get along. Not all, but most.
clankthegray
Honestly all of congress also needs to be held accountable for letting him do this.
walnutbreath
And the media. So many collaborators. Plenty of rope and trees to go around.
circlebreaker
Bingo, their ineptitude and milquetoast impotent response to the attempt to disrupt certification on January 6th is a direct contributing factor to the current mess. If the Democrat party were any less useless they'd be a fireman holding a bucket of kerosine.
ballisticks
They'll probably just fucking continue with ICE, with maaaaybe a regulation or two on the more hideous parts.
QuantumInc
Hopefully by then we will have replaced most of the establishment people. It may be necessary. Even if you do not vote in the general election vote in primaries. Support somebody actually progressive.
calenti
This. Dems tweet and bleat like champions, legislate like builders and fight the fascists like confused children.
whereismymind86
People were seething with rage back then, I don’t think they will have a choice but to prosecute
walnutbreath
Plenty of us were seething over J6, but there was a non-stop squad of bad faith assclowns that kept insisting we had to have blind faith in Biden/Garland and that the wheels of justice turn slowly. Any of us who criticized that narrative were shouted down.
I fully expect more of the same.
hfctom
I'm sure they'll put a sternly worded letter in each and every one of their permanent records.
frankmanhattan
Sealed prior to entry.
TheDefective
imnottom
i think the commenter meant that OP will be prosecuted once conservatives get the country back
bdgood132
Yup. There is a good reason the Dems' approval rating is cratering. The American govt has never handed out true accountability. Even all the way back to the Civil War and the Nuremberg Trials. It's been a farce.
Samantha4u
TRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
KittyKlimt6
Is prosecution a task of politicians, serious question?
kermitdaftfrog
Direct prosecution no but they do go about it in other ways.
Example: Boeing CEO being made to appear in front of the Senate to explain the problems they had been having with their planes. This was while they were under investigation by the Justice department and yet Senators demanded more answers.
I don't know if they took action on Boeing afterwards, just wanted to use it as a non political example
walnutbreath
Their task is to ensure prosecution occurs.
Dapashun81
WTF is happening here? Alternate reality USA?! Bannon, Manafort, Cohen, Navarro, Gates etc etc etc *ALL* went to prison ... 1500 insurrectionists were prosecuted ... the leader of the Proud Boys got 22 years, OathKeepers' leader 18years ... can you guess who pardoned each and every one of them? Can you guess who some of the new ICE agents are? Imagine, actual felons given guns, badges, and unwavering support, with financial incentives on top ...
DocFunkenstein
STFU
chencking
Lots of people were prosecuted for 1/6
walnutbreath
None of the ones that mattered were.
Dapashun81
1500 individuals ... the leader of the Proud Boys got 22 years ... can you guess who pardoned each and every one of them?
walnutbreath
Oh wow, they got a bunch of nobodies and a street thug leader patsy. Trump, members of Congress, Supreme Court Justices, numerous oligarch financiers, Chuck Flynn and the other traitors at the Pentagon, Secret Service members who backed it, etc. weren't prosecuted. Simply put, the people who mattered weren't indicted let alone convicted.
Throwing Trump's pardons out there is pure sophistry.
Dapashun81
I take your point, the truly evil folk skated ... but prosecuting 1500 criminals is *still* closer to justice, than releasing them, arming them, and giving them authority to be cruel, no?
Cyrakhis
"you people" - how's that high horse working for you, bud? Talking like that to people who should nominally be on YOUR SIDE is a good way to drive wedges home further. Be better.
VinnieJonesDiary
If being called out with harsh words is enough to make you oppose that person, then you were never on that side to begin with.
Big boy issues sometimes require blunt talk, get over it and be better.
sqeewew
Same energy as the lady at thr last protest I went to screaming "where were you guys last time". Sorry? Guess I'll go home? Do you not want more support?
DocFunkenstein
"Yes, it's YOUR fault I'm not voting!"
DocFunkenstein
"So, I'm just not going to vote now because I'm annoyed by you! HA! GOT YOU LIBTARD!"
thatsbadmmkay
He's talking to the people on here who bernie bash and voter shame even as the DNC supports ICE and Isreal and props up the worst candidates while snubbing its voters.
ToSisPoS
This is how you spot the people that didn’t vote in the last election. They’re trying to take a high ground that doesn’t exist.
MisterLemons
"Both sides" or "we're different". Stop the gymnastics, make up your minds.
DocFunkenstein
Or, they're talking to the idiots out there who don't (or straight up can't) understand how they're getting away with all this shit around the world. Because everyone else is LETTING them. That's why. Those are the "you people."
BrdCdn
Or foreigners like myself who have been watching in disbelief for a decade now.
MisterLemons
Americans bellowing the loudest on every platform about their politics for over a decade garnering the attention of the world, and now that the time has come and gone to put those morals to the test rather than incessantly virtue signal about them, they're upset that the attention they've hoarded is all negative and the mental gymnastics of justification begin.
"Put up or shut up" has never meant more than it does now.
LazerSpacePirate
Being critical of the party you vote for, have always voted for, have donated to, have canvassed for, have gotten into arguments over and have lost friends and family for supporting is a normal part of having fully functioning cognition you absolute walnut. Demanding better of them is what is supposed to be the baseline, I know it gets confusing when you look across the aisle and see them lined up like sheep. Let's work together to make something better. The status quo is what led us here.
FoamingToad
+1 for "you absolute walnut". Am on yoink mode.
imsurroundedbyassholes
Yes Dems should be better. But they're not and that's why we're here. Electing people with spines should be step 1.
sundaymondayhippyday
No third party yet so it’s Dems or Trump-lite-Pedo-Protectors
Muffyns
What about black panthers who are they
shehdbeuebw738373
Leftists can't get elected and don't vote. Seems shittier than Democrats to me.
"I believe the right things!" Is meaningless. Especially when a lot of them actually just want free shit. Wake me up for the voting, wealthy leftists
datCookieGuy
Democratic candidates typically win the majority vote. The electoral college is what fucks with the election results. Remember that Trump lost the popular vote in 2016 and 2020.
shehdbeuebw738373
Not sure what this has to do with leftists but ok