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ChrisMorray
I love genius things like these.
wt29
Billions and Billions of upvotes
Quaxx
Who would win: 1) A guy 220BC with two sticks. 2) People with access to more information at their fingertips than ever today.
allmostthere1234
Exactly. Thats how I know the earth is flat. I just Googled it and BOOM, it's flat according to Usename:asseater2000
PoliticalWanderer
jonjayspop
No wise man has the power to reason away, what a fool believes.....
TheGhostofElizabethShue
sandwiches
Got a feeling you mean to say that the idea of the globe Earth is the bamboozle here.
TheGhostofElizabethShue
Well that feeling is wrong. I wouldn't go quoting the title of his book if I thought scientists were all "in on it".
sandwiches
Good to hear!
fullyfunctioningfinnish
NASA hacked his eyes.
amtronic
And after calculating the circumference of the earth, he found that it still wasn't as big around as your Momma!
DoNotTakeSeriousPls
luckycelticboy
Relevant username.
DoNotTakeSeriousPls
Yes. As in don’t take the government lies seriously about the earth being round and Australia existing.
AgnostosQue
Since many people are wondering: On Syene there was a well, and the sun being on the zenith, was being reflected on the water at noon. 1/2
AgnostosQue
meanwhile at Alexandria the obelisk would cast a shadow. Since both places are roughly on the same meridian, noon happens at the same time
MinorityOpinion
Meridians are not a feature of the Earth.
AgnostosQue
Huh? Meridian is a great circle of the earth that passes from both poles.
MinorityOpinion
It's an _imaginary_ line - not a real line.
AgnostosQue
Ofc it's imaginary. So are the poles, so is every line. What's the point of the comment?
novokaine187
Good ol Carl
AnOceanOfStars
"But how did Eratosthenes check? DiD tHoSe GuYs HaVe PhOnEs?!?!?!"
martian086
Yes
Illithidbane
Could check at the shortest shadow of the day (noon). If they are same longitude, that would work, right?
DoctorBaboon42
This is what he did, iirc. Checked the length of the shadow at midday. Probably had a buddy record the length and then compare it later.
theUserThatGoesPing
ilhares
He wasn't interested in that Diablo game, either.
AnOceanOfStars
They had Apophis III, much better.
Sauroctonus
It's just a rip-off of Apep 3
BewareTheIceSpiders
Banana phones.
Imacatflushingthetoilet
What happen to the guy that poll money to rent a boat to go to the world edge? It's been a while already
17arkOracle
You can't use logic to get someone out of a position they didn't use logic to get themselves into.
alazyamerican
I tried that with my girlfriend. We got stuck. It was so worth it!
QuiteADapperAsshole
You’d get the same effect on a flat earth if you have a small closeup spotlight sun and you ignore all evidence the sun isn’t that.
OrionRed
Right. If you actually encounter that argument, point out that it only works on one spot at a time and this experiment has been done...
OrionRed
with many different spots. If they say you are just believing what THEY tell you,ask them to repeat the experiment themselves.
QuiteADapperAsshole
Remember, any evidence that disagrees with you is proof of a conspiracy with a shadow government. /s
OrionRed
How did you FIND ME????
QuiteADapperAsshole
We have operatives all around the globe.
ScottaHemi
donut earth confirmed!
Sauroctonus
Imagine sitting in Spain, looking up at Florida.
amtronic
Bagel earth just up the road in land of the Israelites.
Paladinsabre
svoka
It is in every science book. Also Erathosphene calculated Earth's circumference without leaving town. Read wiki article, he's cool af
ShoeShineFR
How did he know how was the shadow at 2 different places at the same instant?
BaronVonProto
He had a partner measure the shadow at the same time.
tomyironmane
Ancient Greeks and Egyptians figured this shit out with fucking rocks and sticks. Even had decent numbers for circumference.
tomyironmane
Flat Earthers have satellite photos and GPS signals, and insist the opposite is true and it's all a clever hoax.
Undrave
With no clear motive for this vast conspiracy of theirs...
tomyironmane
Ya can't fix Stupid.
deaconshadow
Yeah he was like off by 10 to 15% depending on which measurement you use for the staid.
angrytaco
It was less than that
deaconshadow
You are correct. He was amazingly close.
tomyironmane
He was using ROCKS. And STICKS. That's pretty fucking awesome.
deaconshadow
Oh absolutely. Given the tech his approximation was amazing.
packardcaribien
How did they know they were measuring them at the same time though? Not a flat earther or some shit but never understood
MinorityOpinion
Noon doesn't have to happen at the same time in both cities, it only matters that the measurements are taken at local noon the same day.
OrionRed
Prepared ahead of time. Take this measurement on this day, at highest point of the sun. Compare data after.
packardcaribien
But isn't the sun at the highest point of the day at two different times for locations with different longitudes?
OrionRed
Uh...I get lat and long confused... North to South would be the same time. But even East to West, it doesn't need to be the same time.
JerryManderring
The best and simplest explanations I've heard to explain earth curvature - if this is OC, thanks for making @OP
OrionJC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8cbIWMv0rI
GilderoyPopDropNLockart
It’s from the original Cosmos show
svoka
It is in every science book. Also Erathosphene calculated Earth's circumference without leaving town. Read wiki article, he's cool af
Snarkywisecrack
In 4th grade my teacher said the sun hit the bottom of a well and made a shadow in Alexandria. I still love Carl Sagan and Mr Brune.
jepplax
lad, you are gonna love watching where this clip came from! get on that carl sagan knowledge train, its the B.E.S.T in educational TV
JerryManderring
You a Scouser?
jepplax
nah, just a regular lad. you a scouse?
JerryManderring
yup - many us northerners call each other "lad" - nice to hear it
jepplax
i like it up north, maybe one day i will move there
JerryManderring
I'm filling my Kindle with Sagan as I speak. Any other recommendations?
jepplax
does kindle play video? Sagan's a boss writer, he wrote contact, &dragons of eden is great. But also i HIGHLY ;-) recommend you watch cosmos
CatTranslator
When there are still people that ignore any kind of reasonable fact this still applies:
daelythm
People just aren't understanding that flat-earthers are the very best trollers that they've never met in real life.
redgamehunter
And you don't understand that by dismissing people like flat eathers as trolls is how shit like the anti vax movement happens
redgamehunter
While there are trolls, many believe this shit, and not fighting it causes real friggin issues
SheTurnedMeIntoANewtButIGotBetter
I love and i hate this cartoon with every fiber of my being for how accurate it is.
TheAussieNerd
Amen, brother
futuresmith
haha. so, so true.
lwbell851337
Gotta love them echo chambers
IWishAussieAnimalsWereMoreCuddly
How did Eratosthenes know that the shadows were different lengths at the same time? Am I right assuming he had simply visited both cities?
MinorityOpinion
It doesn't matter if noon happens at the same time in both cities, only that the length of shadow is measured at noon the same day. 1/2
MinorityOpinion
2/2. If one of the cities is on a tropic, it has no shadow at noon on one day each year, and if you know that, you don't have to go there.
SpaceballsTheComment
All you need is a sun dial. Which he was already working with. A compass would be helpful, but is optional.
RadicalLeftist
He used a sun dial to show midday on the summer solstace when he knew from the year before the position of the sun in relation to a well 1/2
RadicalLeftist
And being north, rather then east or west, of the syene they were in the same time zone so noon was the same time. He then calculated 2/3
RadicalLeftist
The angle of the shadow pointing north. I hope that makes some sense. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes
IWishAussieAnimalsWereMoreCuddly
It does, thank you :)
Ehilgy
He sent his partner/servant to Syene, if I recall.
Bukulu
Leaves the question how they coordinated when they take their reading. Not doubting the result, just always asked myself how they did it
equityforpunks
You know, clocks, both obelixes were on same'ish timezone and it's not like you need to be minute exact on the measurements.
IBroughtASpareDrainpipe
There were no clocks or watches or timepieces in 220 BC.
Tminus1622d
The oblixes themselves form big ass sun dials. They are the equivalent of clocks.
daguq
They took their readings at noon.
IBroughtASpareDrainpipe
Sorry, that doesn't work. At noon in both places, nothing casts a shadow, because the sun is directly overhead.
sp1cychick3n
What...?
Tminus1622d
Either you're trolling or your education system has failed you. Noon is not the absence of shadow but the shortest shadows of the day.
Lordofskuzz
The sun is almost never directly overhead, the only time and is during a solstice on the equator. And Egypt is not on the equator.
Ehilgy
Thats the whole base of this experiment. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8cbIWMv0rI
totallyconfuddled
The earth isn't flat? Well this is a revelation.
FartedWhileMakingUpName
Revolution?
Frenchgeek
Stargrave3000
People knew the Earth was round before Eratosthenes. What he did was calculate how round it was.
PeterPieRunner
They also didn’t know what orbited what. Was the earth orbiting the sun or the sun orbiting the earth
jasgstock
Yep. E.g. many sailers knew it was round because they had watched ships disappear over the horizon.
SalmySwims
His calculation was off only by a very small amount, too
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GeekusPrimus
It was 15% off. Considering what he had to work with, that's remarkably good.
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GeekusPrimus
How about I give you some ancient Greek surveying tools and see how well you do?
CoeusDarksoul
Probably just because of how slow information traveled & the challenge of getting the timing exactly the same.
FourtytwosQuestion
The internet was the greatest invention so far, but it also helped to spread misinformation at nearly light speed.
Yinyang107
A lie can get around the world before the truth has got its boots on.
WillemHellfire
Beat me to it.
Snoopy101x
In this age of information and technology, ignorance is a choice.
fathogwrestler
The wheel was a pretty good invention too.
NotTinyPancakes
I thought the lever and wheel were pretty good
Tafkam96
And ever since Russian bots were introduced all logic is out there window
tocfanke4
It's really beer. The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problem.
DownvoteIsTheNewUpvote
With great power comes great idiocy - Uncle Ben
iHateNicolasCage
With great power comes great responsitrilitrust
maltesefalcon
The one from the rice box?
Splittmark
Its funny how they have models of a flat earth.. Like there is only "one" and the goverment doesnt stop you at the end
joid75
TheGhostofCarrieFisher
I was looking for this. +1
Inarticulated
I lost it when he said the thousands of protesters were fake news on one of his last trips
Magjee
"Reality is what I say it is" - 2020
bonly89
Also makes you think misinformation is more widespread and makencontact with crazy people.
candiduscorvus
It mainly exposes the misinformed and the easily fooled. Our history is filthy with lies peddled as truth. We just see them exposed more.
IHaveTwoCuteDoggies
Yeah. The internet originally spread some of what started the anti-vax movement but it wasnt misinformation at the time
DavinValkri
You aren't wrong, but that's also true for every information option, from TV to radio to the printing press to damn oratory ("sophism").
CeoHuntingSeason
Internet isn't at fault, America and many other countries don't foment skepticism at schools to doubt wild claims and conspiracy theories
CeoHuntingSeason
Defunded schools don't make for a good place to rise rational thinkers that understand that extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence
CeoHuntingSeason
Countries with better education systems like Japan don't have this problem of people spreading so much idiocy
KarakLohr
I’m hoping the thrill or whatever of being a pompous ass anonymously will wear off in a generation and we’ll collectively grow the fuck up
TheGreatBlueWaffle
As long as it's not forced. Anonymity is the only thing keeping millions of people alive in places such as the ME and China.
KarakLohr
Misteree8
Its one the unforeseen consequences of democratizing information and communication. Everyone is connected thru the internet including 2/
Misteree8
those who knowingly and unknowingly are destroying enlightenment ideas. The same with the printing press, radio and television. They 3/
Misteree8
all disseminated information to the mass but with the consequence of books,shows becoming banned, censored at one time or still to this day.
THRAWN18
Large number of the people in the flat Earth and anti Vaxx movements are Russian trolls who are doing it to cause Americans to lose faith
THRAWN18
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6137759/
PardusXY
Getting downvoted for a source... seems like you hurt someone's worldview...
THRAWN18
Probably a flat Earth or anti Vaxx idiot
PardusXY
Don’t discount the “I base my self esteem on hating groups of people” crowd.
CeoHuntingSeason
It's not to "lose faith" is the cheapest bilogical warfare: let idiots do it for them
BallsackHippo
Greatest invention? Calm down. Without it, we'd be pretty much back in 1990. No biggy. Now, imagine the world without wheels & axels.
antebellumCerebellum
You have a different definition of 'greatness' than OC. His definition scales with complexity, yours with simplicity.
antebellumCerebellum
I do wonder how much farther the Incan civilization could've gotten, though, since they didn't have wheels.
antebellumCerebellum
Also, how many wheel applications we have today which could conceivably be replaced by Jansen or klann linkages.
BallsackHippo
I was more thinking about the impact that they had on civilisation over thousands of years. Farming, goods transportation, travel, war etc
antebellumCerebellum
Proliferation is a natural consequence of the intersection of usefulness and simplicity.
2badmice
Proof in the Trump election and Brexit
PardusXY
This is the sentiment that has made me seriously come to despise those I agree with politically, just because someone disagrees with you, -
flexistraw
Are you saying that nobody believes Trumps lies, but they support him nonetheless?
PardusXY
I am saying, that people can have all different reasons to vote a particular way, and you are not superior to them.
Shohanna
If you are voting on lies, you need to take responsibility and admit you were fooled, not gaslight everyone else on YOUR mistake!
BuickRiviera
If someone does something stupid I’m not really interested in their specific special reasons for being stupid. Eventually reality will bite.
CeoHuntingSeason
Nobody mentioned being superior to nobody, you just seem to be looking for a fight of some sort.
PardusXY
does not make then misinformed, or stupid, and thinking this way makes you a reprehensible excuse for a human being.
hugozaanen101
except everything trump supporters believe in are complete lies and slander.
PardusXY
That "holier than thou" thing you have going, makes you look like the superior human being... not.
Desomega
I mean, I understand your sentiment completely, but in the Uk it was found that spread of misinformation during the referendum occurred.
PardusXY
This I understand, and that may have got the vote passed, but the idea that all brexiteers don't have principled reasons to leave...
Desomega
What's more, much of it was deemed to have violated laws in place to prevent such a thing, and the gov't didn't do enough to stop it.
Drapetomanius
'A lie gets halfwayaround the world before truth puts on its boots.' - Winston Churchill
oblimo
"Rum, sodomy, and the lash." Churchill on the British Navy
gaidinbdj
He was obviously referring to the Internet, there.
canto54
Well he did invent in after all.
CeoHuntingSeason
It's referring to communication regardless of the medium (works for pidgin message as well as for internet)
edwardfog
You can't use facts against flat-earthers.
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sixthreefourfiveseveneightnine
Such as
TheTittyLicker
You cant reason someone out of a position they didnt reason themselves into.
darkninja2992
You must out-stupid an idiot so you can push them into reason. Like "The flat earth theory is a lie started by communists to weaken America"
glassware
Conspiracy beliefs are a way of building community when we are lonely. It’s not about truth, it’s about having a clan of your own.
rgzdev
It's also about mistrust of the outgroup
dakaifeixingmoshi
Sauroctonus
Bummer? I hardly know her!
romicra88
Well, the obelisk at Alexandria was clearly taller. (Kidding of course)
pennyeater
well alexandria is known for its big feet, and you know what they say
TheVest
Depends. Some of them are just skeptics gone horribly wrong, others are trolls and still others are fundamentalist nuts. (1/2)
TheVest
(2/2) You can use facts against the "skeptics gone wrong" if you drive them home with a practical demonstration.
OneZebraInAHerdOfWildebeests
I like how their edge of the world is all ice.
SlightlyDodgy
Their brain is flat and unable to hold much
FarenDin
take them to norway. show them the different day/night cycle. fun fact: no flat erthers here!
mycatToastwasafatasshole
They treat it like religion. "My faith that this is true is PROOF of its truth!!"
karateshark
They only understand brute force
ScrollingOnTheToilet
Common sense is not among the common
srsfaceI8C
They don't even believe the facts they uncover for themselves.
BuickRiviera
“That’s what Pharaoh wanted them to think.” — Flat Earthers probably
PardusXY
I think "against" might be your problem here, the issue isn't they believe the earth is flat, the issue is, what good does it do them?
complimentpin
They believe all of science is corrupt, where can you go from there? they control their own narrative
tirusr
sadly they are using pseudo science and ignore results that defy their predetermined conclusion.
bixol
This only works when you assume the sun is sufficiently far away that all light rays come in parallel 1/
bixol
Flat Earth model use a "close" and very small sun. Imagine a tiny lightbulb hanging above that map, you can have different length shadows 2/
bixol
while the map remain flat, just move the lightbulb around, so unfortunately when flat earthers don't even agree on basic facts 3/
bixol
there's nothing to debate
ImgurRulerOfThePlanetOmicronPersei8
That is a fact
meatpopsicleinurmenge
Try pouring water on a ball. Flat earthed. /sarcasm
Jonataurus
Hammers work much better.
darkninja2992
The flat earth theory is a lie started by communists to weaken America
DontTazeMeBrah
..only bullets
RealPenguin
You can't use facts against anti-facters.
pflugerville
Those are called trolls
charlietrundlethegreat
Unfortunately no. They are truly a stupid subspecies. Either evolution has to take care of them or we do.
pflugerville
It started out as a troll board and they got the stupid people to believe them.
dingofdong
Unfortunately not. The conspiracy theory mindset primes a brain to reject facts that contradict what they believe as "false" or being part +
dingofdong
+ of the conspiracy to try and cover up the "truth" that they've convinced themselves of
mormacil
Beyond the Curve is a nice documentary on them.
fireeternal
I thought it was a waste of time since i was expecting at least some coherence from them. (1/2)
fireeternal
At the end i looks like its just a guy trying to make money off of it (2/2)
HereDueToYourOnePeskyDownVote
This was my take. Genuinely felt for the bearded lad with the scientific brains but had lost his way somewhere and was found by the flatties
ihavediarrhea
It’s so funny how they keep accidentally proving the earth is curved in it
holgerdk
Fuck yes. Its hilarious that the experiments they devise are proving them wrong :D
HereDueToYourOnePeskyDownVote
Weeds in the water. Bwaaaa haaaaaa haaaaaa
jacblake
Too much math.
CommentsWithGandalf
Too many words in general for them
neutronfish
Actually, they replicated numerous experiments proving that the Earth is round. They just refuse to accept their own results.
itypewerdsonline
ultravioletregulator
Theres a weird subset of flat earthers that are doing it as a troll to MAKE people do the experiments prove things they've been told 1/2
ultravioletregulator
They dont like that ppl take everything as fact just because it's in a book or taught. I like the idea of people confirming facts but 2/3
ultravioletregulator
Really...that little subset's goal is completely lost in the sea of morons who cite religion and govt conspiracy as 'proof' .
cearn
In a recent video, two flerfs used (spherical) google earth as their flat earth model. That's how delusional they are.
Dionysianmasks
Where
cearn
See this response video: https://youtu.be/4Ea4tOicVRg (not linking to Oakley's original b/c I don't want to give him clicks). Watch & weep.
IUpvoteEveryNicholasCageGIF
Ok, I need to read that shit, do you happen to have a link?
neutronfish
https://www.newsweek.com/behind-curve-netflix-ending-light-experiment-mark-sargent-documentary-movie-1343362
IUpvoteEveryNicholasCageGIF
Thanks man
thatshairy
That doc on Netflix i think?
IUpvoteEveryNicholasCageGIF
This is gonna be funny as fuck. Doing research to disprove something only to have yourself disproven.
IUpvoteEveryNicholasCageGIF
Aside from Nicholas Cage, I always Upvote and Heart Carl Sagan, that Majestic Beautiful Sexy Man.
tg2222222
SalmySwims
His voice is incredibly soothing
lwbell851337
https://youtu.be/zSgiXGELjbc Then you might enjoy this
SalmySwims
Thanks, but I saw it when it came out >_>
lwbell851337
It's never a bad thing to revisit good ol stuff.
SalmySwims
Yup. I have that one & a few other Symphony of Science videos saved 2 my comp. Melodysheep, the dude who made them, has videos played on PBS
HammerParty13
Carl Sagan was sexy? Is this a common feeling amongst the male-attracted folks out there?
yourlocaleconomicsnerd
Brains are sexy af
DrDings
Yes he's sexy.
SalmySwims
Dem eyebrows lol
IUpvoteEveryNicholasCageGIF
I'm straight and I think he's sexy, Paul Rudd, Bob Ross, Stan Lee, and so many more pleasant people that I find sexy.
njadakatchalla
I agree. Pleasant is a sexy quality.
pareidoliaperson
Nice of you, and very lovely and shit. But a big BS answer to the real Q at hand; are these talented people SEXY - as sexually attractive?
IUpvoteEveryNicholasCageGIF
Yes, simple, I was told that sexually attractiveness is by person's preferences. I think I'm ugly as fuck, but I heard from other people 1/2
TheHippieDrood
That I do cocaine 2/2
IUpvoteEveryNicholasCageGIF
That someone in the Office, for some reason, stupid or otherwise, has a crush on me. Completely opened up my eyes about attractiveness. 2/2
just4thelolz
Wrong. Clearly the sun is just much closer and much smaller than they assume. /s
Snarkywisecrack
I see what you did there.
mabbo
/s aside, this is an important counter argument. To answer it, we can add more points with shadows to get the true distance and curve.
Mytrashpanda101
Saying the earth is flat wouldn't take away all curves. There is obviously mountains and valleys. - Flat Earther
ShinySephiroth
I think people are assuming you are a flat earther, instead of seeing you are quoting what one of them would say.
mesowetodit
According to some flat Earthers models, the sun is but a light source, not a star. Thus, they would say that light is just over 1 obelisk.
just4thelolz
Stars are light sources. ...But I understood what you meant.
mesowetodit
....Making one obelisk shadow longer than the other one. Sad...but it kind of works for them.
redgamehunter
Any time a flat farther brings up a model, point out how it fails to account for X other thing a round earth model easily explains
redgamehunter
Seriously, it's the easiest and quickest way to tear apart their arguments. They literally can't make models that account for everything 2/3
redgamehunter
At once. They'll get weather but not seasons, they'll get seasons but not ocean currents, they'll get currents but not weather, etc
jacblake
You’re assuming that the sun is also flat and perpendicular to the earth.
kaikazu
You're assuming it's not....
glaug
What else would it be?
Daymaster1
I think the funniest part of it is that the flat earthers say all the other planets are round except this one
ultravioletregulator
Yeah...we are special. Haha
sandwiches
Some of them think that the sky we see is not real and it’s merely a projection.
SirPelvisJohnwood
I think a flat earth would put the sun at an altitude of about 110km / 360,000ft with this calculation.
cearn
H = L tan(α), so more like 6500km. And 5000 at 45* lat. And 1600 at 80* lat. All at the same time. And no, they see nothing wrong with this.
Vorquel
Maybe space is curved but earth isn't /s
SirPelvisJohnwood
Oops, you're right. I was looking at the wrong angle. Doing it less wrong gives me 7000km.
SirPelvisJohnwood
We reached that altitude by plane in 1963: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-15_Flight_91
SunBrolem
Sounds like government lies to me
aThingWithTheStufAndTheJunk
That's what they want you to believe!!!!!111!!1!!!!one!!!!