Every time I try to tell a chem trail believer about lead in aviation fuel or the anthrax analogue biowarfare incidents and the black neighborhood rooftop radioisotope releases: they listen, their minds get blown... Then they go right back to chem trails like fucking morons. Books worth of real declassified documents and it only means something to them for a day before they revert to fake conspiracy bullshit. Hopeless.
Lead in fuel ps://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/epa-determines-lead-emissions-aircraft-engines-cause-or-contribute-air-pollution">https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/epa-determines-lead-emissions-aircraft-engines-cause-or-contribute-air-pollution fake anthrax https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea-Spray radiological testing rooftop tests https://www.msn.com/en-us/science/environmental-science/us-army-sprayed-cancer-causing-fog-over-american-cities-in-bizarre-cold-war-era-experiment/ar-AA1LQCDY all of this data and instead of knowledge they prefer skitzo entertainment and paranoia of the unreal.
Oopsie, looks like the radioisotope link only lists biowar. Its the same group of tests. Probably is in the FOIA shit I handed to my idiot cousin. I got shit to do today and he died last year. You'll have to find it yourself. Sorry for the inconvenience. Summary from memory: A further test set used low level isotopes to simulate dirty bomb effects that got linked to some nasty cancers after being thought to be harmless. was done in predominantly black neighborhoods. Government denies wrongdoing.
Now... I'm no anti-semite but, the only books I have ever read that laid out a logical chain that credibly debunks The Chronicles of the Elders of Zion were edited by "Jews". IE: Paradox Press's The Big Book Of Hoaxes, and The Big Book of Weirdos. Just sayin'.
The problem is the physics don't work. The gravity on the inside surface of a sphere is zero everywhere, and it's trivial to prove it (although I've forgotten enough math that I can't do it any more).
Idk that exact conspiracy but the Rothschilds have an insane and unkwown, as in not on the books, wealth. Technically the large corpos that lobby to rule are a kind of illuminati, just not hiding.
There's a hell of a lot of bits and pieces to suggest that Epstein genuinely didn't kill himself, too include the prison videos which "didn't exist" according to the DoJ.
The counter to that is that the camera outage could have been guards hiding their negligence. Their job was to keep an old pedophile alive. Would YOU perform that duty?
I won't say he DID kill himself. But I won't say he didn't. Anything could have happened in that missing span of time. Others certainly had reason to silence him. But also, he knew what was going to happen to him. He therefore had reason to check himself out, too.
Dang, I'd expect the flat earther rejection of a world created by universal forces would also include rejecting all other systems based world concepts.
Haha that is so untrue, conspiracy theorists are on both sides as idiots come in all flavors but the conservatives take lies from their party like gifts and have taken over as the largest dumb party supporting a literal, proven conman
The anti-vaxxers were always on both sides fringes, on the left it was the 'be natural no chemicals' yahoos and the right has the libertarian and conspiracy theorist nutjobs.
It's only in recent years those groups have merged.
Not long ago, I was flying back to LA from Portland and made the mistake of helping this rich white lady put her bag in the overhead bin.
Thus began a two hour conversation, by which I mean, she talked the whole time, while I nodded politely, about all kinds of crazy conspiracy theory shit, including this one, which was brand new to me: A long lost but technologically advanced empire, the existence of which has been kept secret from us all…
I bet she mentioned "black goo" as well. I´ve met a few of the Tatarian believers and they always mention it as very important for that lost empire. Don´t ever talk to such people, afterwards your brain is muddy slop. Phew!
The chem trails thing always makes me laugh... Some idiot misheard con trails and that's how we've ended up here...
And the same people who buy into that shit will also say that climate change doesn't exist because humans couldn't have that much of an effect on the planet...
Close! Cognitive dissonance is the state of the world having a difference with something we think, do, or value (Leo Festingers theory of cognitive dissonance). Cognitive coherence is the state of creating harmony between evidence that dissonant, usually by changing the way we think, act, or judge things to alleviate the dissonance.
One of the reasons that people used to believe there was a civilization on Mars was based on early observations by Italian astronomers, who observed channels on the surface of the planet that water might have once flowed through.
But when their find findings were later published in English, the Italian word for “channels” — which can form naturally — was mistranslated as “canals,” meaning they would have been man-made.
Every now and then my dad says something along the lines of “the earth naturally goes through heating and cooling cycles.” and I immediately shut that shit down with “yeah over the course of tens of thousands of years, this is happening in decades.”
Yeah. "Jumping from the balcony of the 10th floor can't hurt you, because people travel from the 10th floor to ground level every day when going to work, and they are perfectly fine, and then the even go up again!" - Some VERY smart people.
I'd escalate black. Climate change is going to kill us all if we don't do something about it. Antivaxers generally can't kill vaccinated people, at least.
Also, they're all dangerous. All of these groups think it's an global conspiracy by "da joos", believe in some kind of related apocalypse and think that fighting "da joos" will save us or whatever. They're significantly more insane than you think. You should ask them who is behind it and why, and then you'll hear the real crazy shit.
Vaccines aren't 100% effective individually. They're quite effective, maybe something like 90-97% depending on the vaccine, but you can still get sick even vaccinated. The real strength in vaccines is herd immunity, but that requires EVERYONE vaccinated. Otherwise, anti-vaxxers are disease vectors. (Plus there's also immunocompromised people, infants that haven't been vaccinated yet, etc.) Climate change deniers are also a big risk but on a longer term, and most can't directly cause harm.
(They can cause harm indirectly, by voting for policies that neglect climate actions, spreading stupidity, etc. But at least they won't kill your kid.)
They're not directly causing harm, but they are restraining us from stopping the people who are. We could stop a lot of pollution very quickly if not for massive pressure both from "grass roots" denier movements and fossil fuel lobbyists. They might not hurt us directly, but they're content to make us watch - Clockwork Orange style - as the world burns.
As for herd immunity, yeah, that's why I put "generally". Antivax is a mass death distaster, climate change is the apocalypse.
johnpetrucci
90% of the usa
theskepticinme
There is much crossover between all those
Velv3tThunder
MAGAs
FlatPlutoSociety
Flat EARTH people are stupid.
ispendtomuchtimehere
these people do not need oxygen
mrbadxampl
they're oxygen thieves
sacurishadow888
In their defense, Epstein.
ThatGuyFromJustSouthOfTheMiddleOfNowhere
DukeDarkwood
I find this offensive. Spaceballs is a classic of our age, and should not be sullied by association to... that.
foxpotate
Every time I try to tell a chem trail believer about lead in aviation fuel or the anthrax analogue biowarfare incidents and the black neighborhood rooftop radioisotope releases: they listen, their minds get blown... Then they go right back to chem trails like fucking morons. Books worth of real declassified documents and it only means something to them for a day before they revert to fake conspiracy bullshit. Hopeless.
foxpotate
Lead in fuel ps://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/epa-determines-lead-emissions-aircraft-engines-cause-or-contribute-air-pollution">https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/epa-determines-lead-emissions-aircraft-engines-cause-or-contribute-air-pollution fake anthrax https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea-Spray radiological testing rooftop tests https://www.msn.com/en-us/science/environmental-science/us-army-sprayed-cancer-causing-fog-over-american-cities-in-bizarre-cold-war-era-experiment/ar-AA1LQCDY all of this data and instead of knowledge they prefer skitzo entertainment and paranoia of the unreal.
foxpotate
Oopsie, looks like the radioisotope link only lists biowar. Its the same group of tests. Probably is in the FOIA shit I handed to my idiot cousin. I got shit to do today and he died last year. You'll have to find it yourself. Sorry for the inconvenience. Summary from memory: A further test set used low level isotopes to simulate dirty bomb effects that got linked to some nasty cancers after being thought to be harmless. was done in predominantly black neighborhoods. Government denies wrongdoing.
ButtscratchMcPherson
Ah, so the Trump admin's nominees for all our science related stuff
Unclescam
Illiterati seems a poor name as most of these people read quite a lot. It's mostly just base nonsense I get to hear about at work.
TheDoctorCrankenstein
Just because they read does not mean they comprehend. Literacy is more than just knowing your letters.
scootwhoman
Thinking is hard work. Some people just refuse to make the effort.
Pelican3
Forgot to put god believers
Aranon1183
What's the correct term for the cloud trails jets leave again?
ThatDudeInTheMitten
Condensation trails... "Contrails" for short
Contrail - Wikipedia https://share.google/tOmj8YqaL75kZV3nf
Aranon1183
That's right! Thanks!
bikergeek6249
Wapusk
Now... I'm no anti-semite but, the only books I have ever read that laid out a logical chain that credibly debunks The Chronicles of the Elders of Zion were edited by "Jews". IE: Paradox Press's The Big Book Of Hoaxes, and The Big Book of Weirdos. Just sayin'.
ElbowDeepInSaintCelestine
I personally always thought Hollow Earth was an interesting fantasy. However, the key word is fantasy.
bikergeek6249
The problem is the physics don't work. The gravity on the inside surface of a sphere is zero everywhere, and it's trivial to prove it (although I've forgotten enough math that I can't do it any more).
STGxDante
Idk that exact conspiracy but the Rothschilds have an insane and unkwown, as in not on the books, wealth. Technically the large corpos that lobby to rule are a kind of illuminati, just not hiding.
2774
There's a hell of a lot of bits and pieces to suggest that Epstein genuinely didn't kill himself, too include the prison videos which "didn't exist" according to the DoJ.
DukeDarkwood
The counter to that is that the camera outage could have been guards hiding their negligence. Their job was to keep an old pedophile alive. Would YOU perform that duty?
I won't say he DID kill himself. But I won't say he didn't. Anything could have happened in that missing span of time. Others certainly had reason to silence him. But also, he knew what was going to happen to him. He therefore had reason to check himself out, too.
bikergeek6249
That's why it's under "We have questions", i.e. "Possibly factual".
powwerbottom
Oh hey my ex is 4 of these guys
eadanke
No flat earth?
powwerbottom
No climate change denier
eadanke
Dang, I'd expect the flat earther rejection of a world created by universal forces would also include rejecting all other systems based world concepts.
secretagentchewbacca
Congrats! You survived
Akule
CrisprCAS
Conservatives...
SandyTentaclez
"By your powers combined, ..."
dedpan
Antivaxx and chemtrails are the kinds of shit that wrap around to the hippies and wine moms on the left, too.
lucklobster
Yes, but I’m old enough to remember when the anti-vaxers were the liberal side’s nut jobs.
robpaschal
Me too. All the conspiracy idiots in the 80's were liberals.
Toqom
Haha that is so untrue, conspiracy theorists are on both sides as idiots come in all flavors but the conservatives take lies from their party like gifts and have taken over as the largest dumb party supporting a literal, proven conman
sunyudai
The anti-vaxxers were always on both sides fringes, on the left it was the 'be natural no chemicals' yahoos and the right has the libertarian and conspiracy theorist nutjobs.
It's only in recent years those groups have merged.
shameofslate
Not long ago, I was flying back to LA from Portland and made the mistake of helping this rich white lady put her bag in the overhead bin.
Thus began a two hour conversation, by which I mean, she talked the whole time, while I nodded politely, about all kinds of crazy conspiracy theory shit, including this one, which was brand new to me: A long lost but technologically advanced empire, the existence of which has been kept secret from us all…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartarian_Empire
alexakry
I bet she mentioned "black goo" as well. I´ve met a few of the Tatarian believers and they always mention it as very important for that lost empire. Don´t ever talk to such people, afterwards your brain is muddy slop. Phew!
Arcadian1
Yeah never heard of that one.
ThatDudeInTheMitten
The chem trails thing always makes me laugh... Some idiot misheard con trails and that's how we've ended up here...
And the same people who buy into that shit will also say that climate change doesn't exist because humans couldn't have that much of an effect on the planet...
They're the definition of cognitive dissonance
StellaMatutina
Close! Cognitive dissonance is the state of the world having a difference with something we think, do, or value (Leo Festingers theory of cognitive dissonance). Cognitive coherence is the state of creating harmony between evidence that dissonant, usually by changing the way we think, act, or judge things to alleviate the dissonance.
shameofslate
One of the reasons that people used to believe there was a civilization on Mars was based on early observations by Italian astronomers, who observed channels on the surface of the planet that water might have once flowed through.
But when their find findings were later published in English, the Italian word for “channels” — which can form naturally — was mistranslated as “canals,” meaning they would have been man-made.
wabitgirl
It's doubly funny because we DO have crop dusting planes.... but they work nothing like the shit that these people are proposing.
pres465
You are correct, but I think they are confusing "cloud seeding" with crop dusting.
BaalkpanBay
Similarly to Nixon? (I think?) He shut down the Department of Communication because he misheard Department of Communism.
eadanke
Aviation pollution can do anything except cause climate change apparently.
akafluffy
it can turn the freaking frogs gay, but can't flood their habitats
prosper020
Every now and then my dad says something along the lines of “the earth naturally goes through heating and cooling cycles.” and I immediately shut that shit down with “yeah over the course of tens of thousands of years, this is happening in decades.”
Malak224
If they’re really dumb they counter with the earth being 5000 years old.
ElroydIsGone
Yeah. "Jumping from the balcony of the 10th floor can't hurt you, because people travel from the 10th floor to ground level every day when going to work, and they are perfectly fine, and then the even go up again!" - Some VERY smart people.
cousteau
Red, black, blue, white, brown. Sorted from most actually dangerous to most harmlessly stupid.
Something1Said
I'd escalate black. Climate change is going to kill us all if we don't do something about it. Antivaxers generally can't kill vaccinated people, at least.
Also, they're all dangerous. All of these groups think it's an global conspiracy by "da joos", believe in some kind of related apocalypse and think that fighting "da joos" will save us or whatever. They're significantly more insane than you think. You should ask them who is behind it and why, and then you'll hear the real crazy shit.
cousteau
Vaccines aren't 100% effective individually. They're quite effective, maybe something like 90-97% depending on the vaccine, but you can still get sick even vaccinated. The real strength in vaccines is herd immunity, but that requires EVERYONE vaccinated. Otherwise, anti-vaxxers are disease vectors. (Plus there's also immunocompromised people, infants that haven't been vaccinated yet, etc.)
Climate change deniers are also a big risk but on a longer term, and most can't directly cause harm.
cousteau
(They can cause harm indirectly, by voting for policies that neglect climate actions, spreading stupidity, etc. But at least they won't kill your kid.)
Something1Said
They're not directly causing harm, but they are restraining us from stopping the people who are. We could stop a lot of pollution very quickly if not for massive pressure both from "grass roots" denier movements and fossil fuel lobbyists. They might not hurt us directly, but they're content to make us watch - Clockwork Orange style - as the world burns.
As for herd immunity, yeah, that's why I put "generally". Antivax is a mass death distaster, climate change is the apocalypse.