that brown person over there must be absolutely perfect morally and subjectively for me to even consider them a person. However, that guy can be a racist, rapist, pedophile and I'm gucci.
...only if you're stupid. This idiot would justify voting for Hitler for the same reasons. Trump's "poor choices and mistakes (oh, how cute. Trump did an Oopsie) are everyone's problem and if you voted for him, you're at fault.
I wouldn't go that far, exactly. Recall that one of the famous reasons for reluctance to vote for Harris was because of her zionist policies. Voting for her didn't require one to a zionist, merely to think that on the balance, she was a better option than Trump for other reasons. We'd need to hear what they thought they were getting.
"I think the black woman supporting Israel is bad, so I'll help the racist, rapist, fascist pedophile who supports Israel even more win, and the obvious racist backlash against minorities be damned!" I don't know if that's necessarily racist, but it's definitely stupid. And probably racist.
Sorry, that somehow came across backward...? My point was rather that, if voting for Harris didn't necessarily require one to be a zionist, then voting for Trump didn't necessarily require one to be a racist. There can be some other, important issue that secured that decision, a line in the sand, so to speak. I don't know what it could be, but it isn't hard to imagine something. Maybe they're terrified of whatever they were told "communism" is.
It is reasonable to vote for Harris thinking she can be negotiated to less zionism, since that is what the flank of her party wants. It is not reasonable to think Trump can be negotiated to be less racist, since racism is what the flank of his party wants. But there's a bigger principle than that at work here:
When I vote for Harris in spite of her zionism, it is because (as you say) of other red lines with respect to Trump. But importantly, those red lines are of the same sort as Harris' zionism: Greater zionism, racism, misogyny, etc. Greater bigotries. The red lines suggested by Trump voters are either pro-bigotry (immigrants) or bigotry-agnostic (personal finances).
I would absolutely go that far. The fascism was obvious in the election. Everyone that chose Trump was ecstatic about the idea of him hurting marginalized outsiders. They didn’t think he’d fuck all of us. In spite of us screaming it from the hilltops.
Nationalism is a belief structure in which you get to attribute other people’s hard work, and sacrifice as your own because you won a birth lottery. These people love being perceived as great people without ever having done anything great. They’re proud to be American as if they chose it, or worked for it.
Otomasoteraph
There's no point in arguing with them, they lack brain mass, can't compute on their own.
boozits
I'm sort of okay with this because normies need an off-ramp that saves face.
ElbowDeepInUserSub
"He is infallible, even when he is obviously wrong!"
pushingchildrenintotraffic
that brown person over there must be absolutely perfect morally and subjectively for me to even consider them a person. However, that guy can be a racist, rapist, pedophile and I'm gucci.
dynamojoe
...only if you're stupid. This idiot would justify voting for Hitler for the same reasons. Trump's "poor choices and mistakes (oh, how cute. Trump did an Oopsie) are everyone's problem and if you voted for him, you're at fault.
AyatollahBahloni
This is cultist prattle.
RARusk
Definitely. She also wrote an article describing why Project 2025 is a good thing.
usernametakenisthestoryofmylife
Yes in fact, it DOES make you a bigot. And a racist. You fucking ignorant piece of shit.
WaterUnderTheRocketAppliances
Frenchgeek
How much lead paint did this idiot eat?
MadameTiffany
How to say you're a "Pick me."
CrisprCAS
"Voting for a racist doesn't make me a racist!" Yes it does.
Corrodias
I wouldn't go that far, exactly. Recall that one of the famous reasons for reluctance to vote for Harris was because of her zionist policies. Voting for her didn't require one to a zionist, merely to think that on the balance, she was a better option than Trump for other reasons. We'd need to hear what they thought they were getting.
CrisprCAS
I wish people weren't downvoting you, you made the comments in good faith.
Corrodias
Thanks, but it's alright; I'm used to how it works, and I am not concerned about points.
CrisprCAS
"I think the black woman supporting Israel is bad, so I'll help the racist, rapist, fascist pedophile who supports Israel even more win, and the obvious racist backlash against minorities be damned!" I don't know if that's necessarily racist, but it's definitely stupid. And probably racist.
Eyeetsass
Choosing Trump is a racist decision in spite of personal views of the topic. Choosing racism maketh the racist.
Corrodias
Sorry, that somehow came across backward...? My point was rather that, if voting for Harris didn't necessarily require one to be a zionist, then voting for Trump didn't necessarily require one to be a racist. There can be some other, important issue that secured that decision, a line in the sand, so to speak. I don't know what it could be, but it isn't hard to imagine something. Maybe they're terrified of whatever they were told "communism" is.
CrisprCAS
It is reasonable to vote for Harris thinking she can be negotiated to less zionism, since that is what the flank of her party wants. It is not reasonable to think Trump can be negotiated to be less racist, since racism is what the flank of his party wants. But there's a bigger principle than that at work here:
CrisprCAS
When I vote for Harris in spite of her zionism, it is because (as you say) of other red lines with respect to Trump. But importantly, those red lines are of the same sort as Harris' zionism: Greater zionism, racism, misogyny, etc. Greater bigotries. The red lines suggested by Trump voters are either pro-bigotry (immigrants) or bigotry-agnostic (personal finances).
Eyeetsass
I would absolutely go that far. The fascism was obvious in the election. Everyone that chose Trump was ecstatic about the idea of him hurting marginalized outsiders. They didn’t think he’d fuck all of us. In spite of us screaming it from the hilltops.
Corrodias
Yeah, it really does all wrap up into the same package, in the end. There is no separating nationalism from bigotry.
Eyeetsass
Nationalism is a belief structure in which you get to attribute other people’s hard work, and sacrifice as your own because you won a birth lottery. These people love being perceived as great people without ever having done anything great. They’re proud to be American as if they chose it, or worked for it.