May 13, 2022 9:22 AM
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digasisv
Said the same thing a while ago. Different groups, but get the same.
Erumun
how i feel when i look at twitter comments.
ScaredSpitless
I remember wincing the first time I heard this line....I was pretty young and still know how prescient it was.
skyhook
Leia’s adoptive father, President Matthew Santos
HOOMANGUY
George Lucas really did try to tell a good story about the fall of democracy. Sadly the writing was "From my perspective the jedi are evil!"
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WeAreTheRobots
Not that there is anything wrong with it, but I though Palp was gay and really gay for Annie.
murderhobbit
You know, I never noticed how it looks like she's holding back tears before slipping into cynicism.
Arsikere
who's applauding
AnythingMuchShorter
This was already relevant when it came out close to when they passed the patriot act.
heartlessninja6
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/05/13/supreme-court-end-democratic-century-00032171
michaelfire
https://www.nytimes.com/2000/12/10/politics/supreme-court-split-54-halts-florida-count-in-blow-to-gore.html
Phazonismydrug
So dramatic.
mawqs
Amen
TheGhostofElizabethShue
Padme was not a good person.
BusterH
SuperDramaticFusion
Order 66 was an inside job
AncientBreadcrumbs
honeybadger16
Democracy overthrew the republic
GammonFaceMcFuckNips
I think about this line often.
Molvanian
Literally the best line in the prequels.
thereitis101
This was a shot at the Patriot Act under Bush at the time. Dark Knight did too. Little did we know how far down that line would really go
zFUBARz
Naw bro, we all fucking new.
toderascu23
Padme, you did this, you asked for the vote of no confidence which made Palpatine the chancelor.
4EverZw
Didn't the GOP convince the Democrats to have Joe Manchin as one of them? Sounds like manipulation of well meaning people is on point.
Have no idea dude, I live in Europe.
ThereAreCrocodiles
I think it was John Wayne who shot Liberty.
Ninjainslippers
Clever, and also John Wayne was an incredible piece of shit, even by 70s Hollywood standards.
nsaspyingonuranus
No, he shot the sheriff.
GlowstickJedi
But what about the Deputy?
zenoshogun
One, one man ???
kc2syk
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056217/
edasm
You lookin' for trouble, Doniphan?You aimin' to help me find some?
GravyEducation
Jury's still out on that one
Only because they refused to tell the story. It was the West, where when the legend becomes fact, they print the legend.
Baron29
"at least it's not because it's sad..."
SegyeJibae
well if you didn't marry the boy or at least bring his entire family out of slavery we might be at a better timeline, Padmé
I mean she probably should have called it off when he admitted to genocide instead of covering it up. Also Anakin was a fucking creeper.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
Not telling people about his mass murder also didn't help. But sure, dodge responsibility by dying of sadness.
skwint
Yeah, Padme! Display some nepotism already!
GloriousPirateBeard
It's more like she was rich enough to buy his mom, not nepotism
But she could free any slave she wanted. She could free hundreds. We're saying she's bad for not specifically freeing her boyfriend's mom.
Bossco20
What, was Anakin's legs broken? He couldn't go get his mom? Because of rules? When had rules stopped him?
FeminineBeeOnslaught
Leonon
It's Always Sunny On Tatooine.
Varimothras
I love you
IAmDrBanner
His mother was out of slavery. She was a free woman living with a family that loved her. They chose to stay in Tattooine. She could /1
have died in Naboo or Coruscant just as easily. In fact, I imagine Sidious would go out of his way to make that happen. /2
it's not about where she dies but more how she died, brutally by the hand of the Tusken raiders. would be different if she dies by a Sith.
Unless he left a note saying "The Sith did it", it wouldn't. He would simply have some mercenary or other thug kill her, Anakin would /1
hunt them down and murder for revenge and the final result would be the same. It becoming a point of contention that Palpatine would use /2
therealsarahconnor
It’s all Yoda’s fault—fight me.
no need, Yoda is the best example of "live long enough and become the villain", just like real life old senators, out of touch with reality
thedevil
Anakin didn’t cause the republic to fail, palpatine did. No anakin means one less pawn for Palpatine but it was still doomed.
alexstamat
But if Anakin didn’t turn Palpatine would of died.
That was all setup by palpatine. He allowed himself to be caught specifically TO turn anakin. It was never going to result in his death.
Even if Anakin helped killing him? Seem a bit of a stretch.
Palpatine had been marinating and conditioning snaking for years at that point. He knew exactly how it would play out
true, the Republic had it coming but might taken longer if Anakin didn't join the dark side
jrockjesse
Unpopular opinion, but the prequel trilogy is not as bad as people make it out to be
StanielRonathan
It's aged a little better now that it has something even more poorly executed to compare to, but it's not great in its own right
It has some annoying bits and a bit too much talking pacing issues, but aside from that, they are decent movies.
buttcreambandit
It’s absolutely fantastic and people have dumbass mob mentality
beezzarro
It has enough things that i love about them that i can look past the bad
Snarknado4
I think they’re visually stunning and I love the simultaneously complex (space politics!) and simple (laser battles!) lines of storytelling
What holds them back, and why people hate them, imo, is the god-awful dialogue and acting, even by the good actors. So mostly- boo G Lucas.
ilavalamp
It tried to too too much. 3D Clone Wars really helped fill in all the gaps of half-finished storytelling & underdeveloped characters.
That said some of the most epic SW scenes are in the PT. Begun the CW have w Venator SD, Dual of Fates, Yoda v Palp. PT was enjoyable.
Trislar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI
redstang1
He nails this. I couldn't put my finger on why the prequels were lame until seeing those.
JonnyTHM
I think they're easy to hate on, but they are greate VFX demos from the early 00s (and 1999)
MuonNeutrino
The prequels *are* as bad as they're made out to be. The sequels just showed everyone that it could have been even *worse* >.>
Clickbot9000
From my perpective, they're dogshit.
SequoiaHughes
That is an EXTREMELY popular opinion on imgur. Fucking *whisper* any criticism of the prequels and watch the downvotes come
pfshfine
There are a few fan edits that pare all three movies into one pretty great movie.
NotABadLookingNarcissist
People can’t help but pile on. For what it’s worth, I’m a life long SW fan, and while the good parts are great, the bad parts are pretty bad
fivefrozenfishfingers
IMO the acting and dialog are so terrible it renders the movies unwatchable. They're physically painful to watch in places.
drowscion
These things are true, but matter less than respecting lore and headcanon to a lot of people. The prequels are worse movies, but better SW
Seems I'm the one with the unpopular opinion.
porcubot
It's very... uh... prophetic.
cepacolusmaximus
You can skip ep1. It adds nothing.
AZRAELSBLADE
Wow that is a truly terrible opinion.
SenfinaZeit
Personally I think Phantom Menace is the best Star Wars movie.
jscuster
The action scenes were great. The obviously racist depictions of aliens, not so much.
SecondToNine
It's certainly better than the sequels
Capum15
I've always liked the prequels, though I love 2 specifically due to the Battle of Genosis. Big fight make monkey happy.
gunnexx
Jar Jar sucks and I always disliked the way they portrayed technology, but otherwise yes, its pretty good imo
Aquaspiritdl
3 gets undesservedly roped in with the other two it's one of the best
xehupatl
DarkSock
I agree. And I enjoyed the prequels and never understood all the hate. But episode 3 was mighty.
Anakin vs Obi-Wan was and is one of the greatest fights in cinema history. Just a master piece. Shame it was bookended by akward Padme stuff
Agreed that fight is so good and Ewan really sells thr gravity of the lost relationship
WorkerLurker
It’s JarJarring to remember one of the characters.
Perkunas687
People dismissing the political side of the movies is (maybe?) ironic, as dismissing the political things is what doomed everyone in them.
We’re living through it now. If the politically agnostic would rise up for just one voting cycle & purge the toxic elements we’d be golden…
MajorSession
Three cycles. You'd need the Dem's to win decisively 3 times in a row to get a super majority capable of amending the constitution and >
over-riding the filibuster. Until then you will remain in the present situation. The world doesn't hold out hope for you.
JanieKarmaSmith
I don't hate the prequel trilogy, I just don't love them like I do the original trilogy & I hate the reboot trilogy.
The only non original trilogy Star Wars movie I love is Rogue One and I skipped Solo.
averageNerdyGuy
You didn’t miss much with Solo. Rogue One was excellently done.
iceynyo
Solo would have been fine if they didn't try to stuff all of his big life accomplishments into a single event. Also the name thing...
The trailer did nothing for me, my brother saw it & told me everything you just said so I skipped it.
I liked what they were doing, but it really needed to be 3 movies.
CrixusMaximus
The name thing instantly killed it for me.
The first trilogy was classic good versus evil; the second trilogy was about… *…checks notes…* Trade federation policy.
ColonelColon
So... Tired old trope that was mostly cribbed versus slightly less used trope vaguely modeled on the Roman Republic/empire transition.
Well…*compares box office takes* …YES.
godofhorizons
I’m curious as to what you think has caused most of the wars in human history
East India Trading Company is also interested in their answer.
Oh, no, you are indeed correct. But resource haggling has seldom given us great epic stories in the vein of “A New Hope”. That’s my point…
But resource haggling is what leads to war and creates the epic stories as seen in A New Hope. Those stories don’t exist in a vacuum and if>
>you’re going to create a prequel series to that epic story, it’ll start with resource haggling, like most wars in history
TheLesserOfTwoWeevils
Was it though?
SJohnson23
He checked his notes.
My notes are impeccable. *checks them again to be sure*
Yup: A long long time ago, in a galaxy far far way, Naboo was under an attack. And I thought me & Qui Gon Jinn could talk the Federation in-
maybe cutting them a little slack.
purdhapley
Agreed. Jar jar was annoying af tho.
theovermynd
They didnt have the balls to make him Darth Jar Jar which would have been the best thing ever. Bumbling idiot clown is actually a Sith lord
smashpro1
Which is why he got fewer lines in each subsequent movie.
TheSwedishMoose
Jar Jar is just C3PO with a different accent; both are just as annoying. Change my mind.
CriticalCritic
They were characters that filled the same slot. But, jar jar was less useful, less significant to the story, and more intrusive/distracting.
Jar Jar was significant in Ep 1, C3PO is Ep 6. That's about it.
Yousa talking dookey-day?
koilo0
Take Jar Jar’s name out yo mouth!
Davidnfilms
Unpopularer opinion, The Sequel Trilogy isn't as bad as people make it out to be
7 and 8 sure, but Rise of Skywalker is worse than anything. Makes judging the whole trilogy problematic
It is by far the blandest rendition of Star Wars.
SaveitforQueenDoppelpoppolus
they're cinematic masterpieces compared to the sequel trilogy
the sequel was simply recycled lines plus cgi
Davoneous
I was going to upvote your comment, but I am instead upvoting your username… doppelgänger…
There’s an argument to be made for “better”, but “masterpieces” is hyperbole
MulliganStew
I love that the writers were like "hes a clone", but then why would the clone have the lightning scars from the Mace Windu fight?
Exsul
I'm watching the sequels with a friend. Saying, "the prequels are masterpieces compared to the sequels" ain't wrong!
Buddy, the prequels are fucking TERRRIBLE still.
It’s easy to get wistful about some of the better qualities of the prequels, but there’s no way they’re masterpieces in comparison.
culinarydream7224
Give it another 20 years and people will be saying they weren't that bad. The prequel hate was much stronger than the sequel hate.
PangolinBan
Sequel expectations were a lot lower because of the prequels. A lot of people just didn't care anymore.
apneax3n0n
I stopped caring after episode 7
A lot of people were hyped for The Force Awakens, which was worlds better than TPM btw
Sure, but that doesn't contradict my point. Hype for TPM was immense, even if it was objectively terrible.
digasisv
Said the same thing a while ago. Different groups, but get the same.
Erumun
how i feel when i look at twitter comments.
ScaredSpitless
I remember wincing the first time I heard this line....I was pretty young and still know how prescient it was.
skyhook
Leia’s adoptive father, President Matthew Santos
HOOMANGUY
George Lucas really did try to tell a good story about the fall of democracy. Sadly the writing was "From my perspective the jedi are evil!"
[deleted]
[deleted]
WeAreTheRobots
Not that there is anything wrong with it, but I though Palp was gay and really gay for Annie.
murderhobbit
You know, I never noticed how it looks like she's holding back tears before slipping into cynicism.
Arsikere
who's applauding
AnythingMuchShorter
This was already relevant when it came out close to when they passed the patriot act.
heartlessninja6
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/05/13/supreme-court-end-democratic-century-00032171
michaelfire
Phazonismydrug
So dramatic.
mawqs
Amen
TheGhostofElizabethShue
BusterH
SuperDramaticFusion
Order 66 was an inside job
AncientBreadcrumbs
honeybadger16
Democracy overthrew the republic
GammonFaceMcFuckNips
I think about this line often.
Molvanian
Literally the best line in the prequels.
thereitis101
This was a shot at the Patriot Act under Bush at the time. Dark Knight did too. Little did we know how far down that line would really go
zFUBARz
Naw bro, we all fucking new.
toderascu23
Padme, you did this, you asked for the vote of no confidence which made Palpatine the chancelor.
4EverZw
Didn't the GOP convince the Democrats to have Joe Manchin as one of them? Sounds like manipulation of well meaning people is on point.
toderascu23
Have no idea dude, I live in Europe.
ThereAreCrocodiles
I think it was John Wayne who shot Liberty.
Ninjainslippers
Clever, and also John Wayne was an incredible piece of shit, even by 70s Hollywood standards.
nsaspyingonuranus
No, he shot the sheriff.
GlowstickJedi
But what about the Deputy?
zenoshogun
nsaspyingonuranus
One, one man ???
kc2syk
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056217/
edasm
You lookin' for trouble, Doniphan?
You aimin' to help me find some?
GravyEducation
Jury's still out on that one
ThereAreCrocodiles
Only because they refused to tell the story. It was the West, where when the legend becomes fact, they print the legend.
Baron29
"at least it's not because it's sad..."
SuperDramaticFusion
SegyeJibae
well if you didn't marry the boy or at least bring his entire family out of slavery we might be at a better timeline, Padmé
zFUBARz
I mean she probably should have called it off when he admitted to genocide instead of covering it up. Also Anakin was a fucking creeper.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
Not telling people about his mass murder also didn't help. But sure, dodge responsibility by dying of sadness.
SuperDramaticFusion
skwint
Yeah, Padme! Display some nepotism already!
GloriousPirateBeard
It's more like she was rich enough to buy his mom, not nepotism
skwint
But she could free any slave she wanted. She could free hundreds. We're saying she's bad for not specifically freeing her boyfriend's mom.
Bossco20
What, was Anakin's legs broken? He couldn't go get his mom? Because of rules? When had rules stopped him?
FeminineBeeOnslaught
Leonon
SegyeJibae
Leonon
It's Always Sunny On Tatooine.
Varimothras
I love you
IAmDrBanner
His mother was out of slavery. She was a free woman living with a family that loved her. They chose to stay in Tattooine. She could /1
IAmDrBanner
have died in Naboo or Coruscant just as easily. In fact, I imagine Sidious would go out of his way to make that happen. /2
SegyeJibae
it's not about where she dies but more how she died, brutally by the hand of the Tusken raiders. would be different if she dies by a Sith.
IAmDrBanner
Unless he left a note saying "The Sith did it", it wouldn't. He would simply have some mercenary or other thug kill her, Anakin would /1
IAmDrBanner
hunt them down and murder for revenge and the final result would be the same. It becoming a point of contention that Palpatine would use /2
therealsarahconnor
It’s all Yoda’s fault—fight me.
SegyeJibae
no need, Yoda is the best example of "live long enough and become the villain", just like real life old senators, out of touch with reality
thedevil
Anakin didn’t cause the republic to fail, palpatine did. No anakin means one less pawn for Palpatine but it was still doomed.
alexstamat
But if Anakin didn’t turn Palpatine would of died.
thedevil
That was all setup by palpatine. He allowed himself to be caught specifically TO turn anakin. It was never going to result in his death.
alexstamat
Even if Anakin helped killing him? Seem a bit of a stretch.
thedevil
Palpatine had been marinating and conditioning snaking for years at that point. He knew exactly how it would play out
SegyeJibae
true, the Republic had it coming but might taken longer if Anakin didn't join the dark side
jrockjesse
Unpopular opinion, but the prequel trilogy is not as bad as people make it out to be
StanielRonathan
It's aged a little better now that it has something even more poorly executed to compare to, but it's not great in its own right
IAmDrBanner
It has some annoying bits and a bit too much talking pacing issues, but aside from that, they are decent movies.
buttcreambandit
It’s absolutely fantastic and people have dumbass mob mentality
beezzarro
It has enough things that i love about them that i can look past the bad
Snarknado4
I think they’re visually stunning and I love the simultaneously complex (space politics!) and simple (laser battles!) lines of storytelling
Snarknado4
What holds them back, and why people hate them, imo, is the god-awful dialogue and acting, even by the good actors. So mostly- boo G Lucas.
ilavalamp
It tried to too too much. 3D Clone Wars really helped fill in all the gaps of half-finished storytelling & underdeveloped characters.
ilavalamp
That said some of the most epic SW scenes are in the PT. Begun the CW have w Venator SD, Dual of Fates, Yoda v Palp. PT was enjoyable.
Trislar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI
redstang1
He nails this. I couldn't put my finger on why the prequels were lame until seeing those.
JonnyTHM
I think they're easy to hate on, but they are greate VFX demos from the early 00s (and 1999)
MuonNeutrino
The prequels *are* as bad as they're made out to be. The sequels just showed everyone that it could have been even *worse* >.>
Clickbot9000
From my perpective, they're dogshit.
SequoiaHughes
That is an EXTREMELY popular opinion on imgur. Fucking *whisper* any criticism of the prequels and watch the downvotes come
pfshfine
There are a few fan edits that pare all three movies into one pretty great movie.
NotABadLookingNarcissist
People can’t help but pile on. For what it’s worth, I’m a life long SW fan, and while the good parts are great, the bad parts are pretty bad
fivefrozenfishfingers
IMO the acting and dialog are so terrible it renders the movies unwatchable. They're physically painful to watch in places.
drowscion
These things are true, but matter less than respecting lore and headcanon to a lot of people. The prequels are worse movies, but better SW
fivefrozenfishfingers
Seems I'm the one with the unpopular opinion.
porcubot
It's very... uh... prophetic.
cepacolusmaximus
You can skip ep1. It adds nothing.
AZRAELSBLADE
Wow that is a truly terrible opinion.
SuperDramaticFusion
SenfinaZeit
Personally I think Phantom Menace is the best Star Wars movie.
jscuster
The action scenes were great. The obviously racist depictions of aliens, not so much.
SecondToNine
It's certainly better than the sequels
Capum15
I've always liked the prequels, though I love 2 specifically due to the Battle of Genosis. Big fight make monkey happy.
gunnexx
Jar Jar sucks and I always disliked the way they portrayed technology, but otherwise yes, its pretty good imo
Aquaspiritdl
3 gets undesservedly roped in with the other two it's one of the best
xehupatl
DarkSock
I agree. And I enjoyed the prequels and never understood all the hate. But episode 3 was mighty.
SenfinaZeit
Anakin vs Obi-Wan was and is one of the greatest fights in cinema history. Just a master piece. Shame it was bookended by akward Padme stuff
Aquaspiritdl
Agreed that fight is so good and Ewan really sells thr gravity of the lost relationship
WorkerLurker
It’s JarJarring to remember one of the characters.
Perkunas687
People dismissing the political side of the movies is (maybe?) ironic, as dismissing the political things is what doomed everyone in them.
DarkSock
We’re living through it now. If the politically agnostic would rise up for just one voting cycle & purge the toxic elements we’d be golden…
MajorSession
Three cycles. You'd need the Dem's to win decisively 3 times in a row to get a super majority capable of amending the constitution and >
MajorSession
over-riding the filibuster. Until then you will remain in the present situation. The world doesn't hold out hope for you.
JanieKarmaSmith
I don't hate the prequel trilogy, I just don't love them like I do the original trilogy & I hate the reboot trilogy.
JanieKarmaSmith
The only non original trilogy Star Wars movie I love is Rogue One and I skipped Solo.
averageNerdyGuy
You didn’t miss much with Solo. Rogue One was excellently done.
iceynyo
Solo would have been fine if they didn't try to stuff all of his big life accomplishments into a single event. Also the name thing...
JanieKarmaSmith
The trailer did nothing for me, my brother saw it & told me everything you just said so I skipped it.
iceynyo
I liked what they were doing, but it really needed to be 3 movies.
CrixusMaximus
The name thing instantly killed it for me.
DarkSock
The first trilogy was classic good versus evil; the second trilogy was about… *…checks notes…* Trade federation policy.
ColonelColon
So... Tired old trope that was mostly cribbed versus slightly less used trope vaguely modeled on the Roman Republic/empire transition.
DarkSock
Well…*compares box office takes* …YES.
godofhorizons
I’m curious as to what you think has caused most of the wars in human history
heartlessninja6
East India Trading Company is also interested in their answer.
DarkSock
Oh, no, you are indeed correct. But resource haggling has seldom given us great epic stories in the vein of “A New Hope”. That’s my point…
godofhorizons
But resource haggling is what leads to war and creates the epic stories as seen in A New Hope. Those stories don’t exist in a vacuum and if>
godofhorizons
>you’re going to create a prequel series to that epic story, it’ll start with resource haggling, like most wars in history
TheLesserOfTwoWeevils
Was it though?
SJohnson23
He checked his notes.
DarkSock
My notes are impeccable. *checks them again to be sure*
StanielRonathan
Yup: A long long time ago, in a galaxy far far way, Naboo was under an attack. And I thought me & Qui Gon Jinn could talk the Federation in-
StanielRonathan
maybe cutting them a little slack.
purdhapley
Agreed. Jar jar was annoying af tho.
theovermynd
They didnt have the balls to make him Darth Jar Jar which would have been the best thing ever. Bumbling idiot clown is actually a Sith lord
smashpro1
Which is why he got fewer lines in each subsequent movie.
TheSwedishMoose
Jar Jar is just C3PO with a different accent; both are just as annoying. Change my mind.
CriticalCritic
They were characters that filled the same slot. But, jar jar was less useful, less significant to the story, and more intrusive/distracting.
TheSwedishMoose
Jar Jar was significant in Ep 1, C3PO is Ep 6. That's about it.
heartlessninja6
Yousa talking dookey-day?
koilo0
Take Jar Jar’s name out yo mouth!
Davidnfilms
Unpopularer opinion, The Sequel Trilogy isn't as bad as people make it out to be
drowscion
7 and 8 sure, but Rise of Skywalker is worse than anything. Makes judging the whole trilogy problematic
SuperDramaticFusion
ColonelColon
It is by far the blandest rendition of Star Wars.
SaveitforQueenDoppelpoppolus
they're cinematic masterpieces compared to the sequel trilogy
dwarfinathonginacaskinthewaterwoooo
the sequel was simply recycled lines plus cgi
Davoneous
I was going to upvote your comment, but I am instead upvoting your username… doppelgänger…
drowscion
There’s an argument to be made for “better”, but “masterpieces” is hyperbole
MulliganStew
I love that the writers were like "hes a clone", but then why would the clone have the lightning scars from the Mace Windu fight?
Exsul
I'm watching the sequels with a friend. Saying, "the prequels are masterpieces compared to the sequels" ain't wrong!
zFUBARz
Buddy, the prequels are fucking TERRRIBLE still.
drowscion
It’s easy to get wistful about some of the better qualities of the prequels, but there’s no way they’re masterpieces in comparison.
culinarydream7224
Give it another 20 years and people will be saying they weren't that bad. The prequel hate was much stronger than the sequel hate.
PangolinBan
Sequel expectations were a lot lower because of the prequels. A lot of people just didn't care anymore.
apneax3n0n
I stopped caring after episode 7
culinarydream7224
A lot of people were hyped for The Force Awakens, which was worlds better than TPM btw
PangolinBan
Sure, but that doesn't contradict my point. Hype for TPM was immense, even if it was objectively terrible.