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We're at that stage, folks...
Aug 1, 2020 1:15 PM
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4thwalled
PantLord
“Do not resist freedom!” - America’s catch phrase. I’m surprised you don’t have the coins.
anglarite
DinosaurArmyMajor
They want you to just submit. Don't stand up to tyranny or question whether this is legal/ethical/constitutional, just submit. Fascists.
FrolickingFrolicking
Guys in every IMGUR comment section: “bUt BoTh SiiiiiDeS”
MasterGed
Wouldnt you get away with killing them since theyre unmarked?
TapiocaMartini
Now that right there is ducking good question!
ButterfaceTaintClown
oh, I thought for a second you were talking about rapists.
tm85naibsel360
Honest mistake. Very little difference between the two situations.
inb4thewar
The venn diagram may not be a circle, but it sure as hell isn't an eight, either.
LollipopGuild
One Long Night: A Global History of Concentration Camps, is the book referenced if anyone is curious.
TagaryenFangirl
Thank you
NuggetsForKitty
You'll be aghast at the amazing writing
Overborkeddoggo
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arock133
Just got it. Thanks!
Dravit
Me too.
TanithRosenbaum
While it would be good for education, I need to pass on that one, that might exacerbate my anxiety to levels dangerous to myself. Thanks tho
eyebrowarchedinconcern
Good on you for looking out for your mental well being. These are crazy times and anxiety is at an all time high. May you find peace
TanithRosenbaum
Thank you very much. And I hope things are geing well or will be well for you too my friend. All the best to you from Germany.
TooOldToBeRealLife
HIGHLY recommend.
flamingflamingo
I literally had this conversation about Breonna Taylor's boyfriend firing on the intruders. They were saying, he shouldn't have shot at cops
Quomp
Unidentified intruders in your home with guns at night should be given the assumption of the doubt, according to bootlickers.
Quomp
Nevermind that they were holding ARs protesting masks a couple months ago
123idrinkpeee
Whether you’re on the left or the right, this should concern you. They’re taking our freedoms in the name of freedom.
TheDayTheBrainStoodStill
No it's fine, I support the repressive regime because they are only victimizing the people I don't like and I want that to go on. Also...
TheDayTheBrainStoodStill
...in other news I've never learned anything about history and I'm rather dense, so it never occurred to me that I might regret this later.
Crimesawastin
I'm just here to downvote fascists.
tarkus10
Jimmy Hoffa's last words, "Yeah, Tony, your car does have a lot of trunk space."
basicwhitelich
I will blow a blood vessel shitting all over that rental van if it even slightly spites this fascism bs
sorrythisnameisntavailable
If people haven't realised by this time that Trump is planning to declare himself dictator before November, none of you are paying attention
theyar
Ok but if you don't think these protests and even this disease were also calculated campaign moves, you need to think about it.
Becker37
All I know is I'm a woman and if someone tries to grab me and shove me in a van I'm going to take my rather large knife and stick it in
Becker37
Whatever body part I can. I might get shot but I'm not going down without a fight. Fuck this bitch ass system.
OregonFlyer
American living in Portland, OR...this is a very real thing for us. Fucking terrifying.
OrangeFlavours
No? Don't you have the right to resist anybody not identifying themselves as law enforcement? You can't be blamed for it if they don't ID
Quomp
In theory sure, but how are you going to resist 4 trained officers with ARs who flank you?
OrangeFlavours
Uh... then what's the point of the tweet?
Quomp
Hence why people are calling this a descent into fascism.
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Quomp
Just because you're dumb doesn't mean the tweet is. Try again with less dumb in your head.
iHeartCrabWife
I wonder how many people getting abducted by unidentified people wearing uniforms it will take before self defense with deadly force happens
RickDyball
After you have had your election, officials need to go to jail. It is not enough to just sack these morons.
electronicbovine
It'll be funny when the next dem gets elected and the screeching right will come out in full force as anti-gov.
CantEscapePolitics1
It's weird because that's exactly what the Dems are doing now. It happens Everytime there is a power shift.
Seigeengine
Criticizing the government isn't being anti-gov. Get a grip.
CantEscapePolitics1
We keep putting the government in charge and look how that's working
Welltron3030
If they dont identify themselves as law enforcement, its (theoretically) fully legal to "stand your ground"
Alfadorfox
*in some states
Seigeengine
It's legal to defend yourself from being kidnapped in every state afaik.
Welltron3030
Yes. Thats exactly what Ive been saying
Welltron3030
Okay, but i would think self defense would be a viable legal defense if you did somehow defeat a gang of goons without any identification
Welltron3030
If they try to kidnap you in an unmarked vehicle, with no badges, how is anyone reasonbly expected to know they are govt agents?
Welltron3030
And, if they arent police, and they arent the national guard, then fuck em. The only legit LEOs the DHS has are trainers and desk jockeys
Welltron3030
Afaik, PSOs, even under federal purview have little to no more legal authority to enforce the law than the average citizen
Welltron3030
Downvoting facts without a counterarguement is really ballsy btw /s
HeretiCorpHasAnDFAcannon
If US Congress don't stand up against the clown and if the majority of People won't stand up against the clown. The Tyrants keeps on going.
senseicombs
I think what your saying is, "The only thing evil needs to succeed is for good people to do nothing."
prepeymad
Precisely
ThrownClub
The Republican Party has sold your freedom to a fucking clown. Vote them all out.
prepeymad
Precisely
OrangeAvenger6
Evil reigns when good men do nothing
MarcusRiedner
It isn't "Congress" that needs to stand up. Congress has become a symptom of the problem, and that problem. That problem is
MarcusRiedner
the confluence of wealth, power, and social inequality coupled to a broken economic system and a set of normative cultural myths. Together
MarcusRiedner
that has created a toxic culture and nation which allowed a failed business man and a reality TV star to hold a globally powerful office.
dontknowifwanttouserealnameorpseudonym
this doesn’t apply here. there is a concerted effort to prevent net neutrality by corps not destabilize our democracy
dontknowifwanttouserealnameorpseudonym
s with the have’s, stability is good for business so the incentive is to keep things as-is
StarkRG
Then what's the solution?
awindingland
IAmTheKiltCommander
MarcusRiedner
At this point? Revolution. The empire needs to collapse and rebuild. That can be done violently or peacefully.
HeretiCorpHasAnDFAcannon
It looks to me the that nothing will change and the same corrupt government will continue after they put their new puppet on the throne.
RussellDejimmys
Both sides bad, so why bother voting, right comrade?
3141592pancake
Is that a younger Ivana? Spot on for looks, if not.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
It's a character from a British comedy, Absolutely Fabulous. And she's styled after Ivana.
mikeatike
Every bOtH pArTiEs tard like you just wants another Trump term. Find a less transparent argument.
HeretiCorpHasAnDFAcannon
Also I see the GOP/DNC as the same, the only reason they have a red & blue shirt is to create for the plebs an us against them tactic.
Bmxrider70763
Red or blue they don't care about you.
CantEscapePolitics1
This thread gets it. Rare find on imgur
HeretiCorpHasAnDFAcannon
If you don't clean up your complete government, yes a new "trump" term is what you're gonna get, just with a new puppet on the throne.
mikeatike
Sorry, dude, nobody believes that Biden will be another Trump. Just stop your obviously dishonest arguments.
HeretiCorpHasAnDFAcannon
Didn't say that. Biden is a real man not a clown but nothing will change. For example since Truman called for a universal healthcare 1/
DiamondJB1911
Biden's just the guy who authored the '94 crime bill that has lead to the policing tactics that caused the protests.
senseicombs
I am sure human traffickers are taking full advantage of the situation created by our own government.
thesmelge
Oh but that'll be seen as fine. It's in Dem states, so they'll be blamed regardless of what kicked it off.
senseicombs
Full agreement
girlfartjapan
*Freedoms internally*
johnzaku
https://twitter.com/AndrewMCrespo/status/1285738001004482561
Quomp
This addresses a massive pattern in government accountability that claims things as consensual or appropriate after the fact.
TheDayTheBrainStoodStill
"It's not illegal, because we did it and we're the police." AKA The Nixon Defense.
3crowsBeast
It wasn't an arrest, it was detainment. They were identified and then released.
perey
Does that make it okay? Is it even a different thing? I thought arrest was any "you're not free to go" situation.
perey
In fact, ignore my previous reply, because I've now finished reading that Twitter thread and he addresses exactly this. Yes, it's an arrest.
magicrhombus
I'll wait for a court ruling, but it is HIGHLY likely these were legally arrests. Removing a person to a second location is a big red flag.
alchemist12345
Sure, but same rules apply: you need probable cause AND you need to clearly identify yourself, your department and the reason of detainment.
meemolade
What happens if I just run away?
Quomp
Also they just swing by while you're walking down the street because of facial recognition software and smart-phone tracking.
ourari
I'd like to thank all those who said "but I have nothing to hide" when told of the value of privacy and the problems with recog & tracking.
ourari
And yes, that was sarcasm.
puppet
LariCheltsy
SylvesterMarcus
Have you ever wondered what it’s like to be shot in the back because you terrified a cop?
TooOldToBeRealLife
“Terrified”
puppet
ThefluteCaptainPicardplayedfirstinhisimaginationtheninreallife
Best case scenario? It's actually police and they arrest and charge you for resisting arrest.
Quomp
Well, they have vans and squads of militarized agents so I don't imagine you'll get far.
GTimgur
Is there a source/proof that people are getting "abducted"? I'd sincerely like to know.
KartFnocker
if you mean abducted as in permanently, no. If you mean unconstitutionally taken away, then yes. Sources:
KartFnocker
https://lawandcrime.com/legal-analysis/two-dhs-officials-apparently-just-admitted-their-troops-have-been-violating-the-constitution/
KartFnocker
https://www.lawfareblog.com/unpacking-dhss-troubling-explanation-portland-van-video
KartFnocker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uglv-fV1CqI
cadburyegg
Won't be long now before rapists and murderers and serial killers start posing as nondescript federal agents...
allmostthere1234
BobtheNinja
What has stopped anyone from doing this before? Impersonation of an officer has always been a thing.
Bombpier
But. O abduction by un identified guys in unmarked Van's is becoming normalized
BobtheNinja
No it's not
Bombpier
When its happend as much as it has.. yes it fucking is bootlicker
BobtheNinja
Lol ;)
TheWombatStrikesAgain
Some might even be posing as top-level government officials right now.
Fastjack2056
The FBI released a report warning that White Nationalists were trying to infiltrate the military and police years ago. Pissed off the cops.
batmanbumantics
Or as members of the government, hang on a minute....
MrJwinkyface
I think the local police should arrest them for kidnapping
StrangePaegan
FWIU, they’re working in conjunction with local authorities.
Eleshar24
Police is behind calling in the feds. I understand there is no recourse, maybe national guard, but that can be federalised too and 1/2
Eleshar24
it would bring the country on the brink of another civil war. But that is clearly what the USA needs now 2/2
jm151
what makes you think the local police have a problem with it?
MrJwinkyface
Because many in Portland spoke out against it. So did the local and State government. My entire states leadership hated it
TheDayTheBrainStoodStill
A city *mayor* might speak out against it, but his city's police union doesn't have any problem with it whatsoever.
MrJwinkyface
Just read the police union did have issue, they just took the time to meet and speak with the feds. That was not an endorsement
TheDayTheBrainStoodStill
That's interesting. Do you have a link handy?
Clockworkdancerobot
Or don't moonlight for the DHS?
SlamdogKillionaire
Kvothefefe
If you don't vote, you might end up getting abducted in a van down by the river!
MNJW
Upvote for name
elvissatdownyonder
Love this movie.
poopknifeMAN
Hell yeah Chris Farley the man! Shootin snortin drinkin smokin! ??
jeyes
Yesss i got the 1337th vote! Im so alone
smax410
I like it
RealBernieSanders
Just want to point out that Biden had a large hand making polices in the 80s that enabled mass incarceration and police militarization.
Henchman86
Is that you Bernie? Big fan!
cuzitsthere
I just want to point out that if you can't change your opinion in 40 years, you might have a problem.
RealBernieSanders
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/510763-biden-says-he-supports-additional-funding-for-the-police
TheRockDude
I'm gonna vote, but I just wanna say that it's really fucking depressing how Clinton had like 42% of the popular vote in Texas and got -
TheRockDude
- exactly ZERO of the electoral votes in the last election.
smax410
As a liberal Texan and not even from the Austin area, you still need to vote. Put progressives in local seats and state seats. Send 1/2
smax410
baby donny a message that significantly more than half of this country knows he’s a bunker bitch. 2/2
DuckPlanetKing
Electoral college sucks.
mactoid
You realize voting isn’t going to help, right? We are way past the stage where peaceful political activism will make a difference.
thatscool22
Riiiiight. And a bunch of losers without weapons looting target is making a difference??
draekie
Was that the alternative he suggested l?
MileHighLivin
6/21/20 CO passed a law allowing victims to bypass qualified immunity.
ijoinedtoolate
KILL WHITEY!!!
zzpacksmasher
No. Racism is bad' mmmmkay
mishnitsa
Looks like a few people haven’t seen the movie.
ijoinedtoolate
Nah, the just love whitey so much... Racists
thekeyofe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJe5AbguXlk
poppinfresh92
He was doing so well... Lol
ijoinedtoolate
Ya'll so ignorant, watch a movie
penisparty
And all the Jamaican guys were like "no no no!!"
Quomp
No, that is not anybody is saying besides splintered extremists.
7CentsVern
HakunaMatataWhatAWonderfulPhrase
He's not white hes orange
MikeMcAwesome91
NOOOO NO NO NO
ThatsTwoThusFarShooter
Why the downvotes? Accurate next line of the movie is accurate
MikeMcAwesome91
I think people just got excited about the original GIF but have never seen the movie
shmoomoomoo
No one seems to get that this a line from the movie that totally tanks the speech
zzpacksmasher
Doesn't matter if from movie. It encourages hate
HakunaMatataWhatAWonderfulPhrase
Down with the orangey
MileHighLivin
Man comedy is going to suck by 2030...
poppinfresh92
*thumb up
DiscountOneLiners
Kinda matters that it’s from a movie since art and comedy allows us to acknowledge & talk about problems as a society & grow/move past them
MiniMacropod
Exactly. Nobody with a brain would think Blazing Saddles was a celebration or glorification of racism.
Kemyo
-.-
Quomp
Pro-equality isn't anti-white, and that's a propaganda tactic used to incite radicalism from bigots who view minorities as an enemy.
FattyLumpkin3
Nah nah nah it’s the next part of what Farley says in the movie that ruins his speech.
darkstar1982
It's a quote from the movie that GIF is from.
Quomp
Oh okay, my bad. Just a really inflammatory phrase to see without knowing context.
Allanonshea1
Its a joke he said it a lil later in the movie this speech gif is from
7CentsVern
DrDadJokes
BTW, did the people who got abducted had shown sign of life at all or they are gone without trace for few days now?
BobtheNinja
No one is missing, they were taken to the jail and processed, there have been many charges filed related to the riots.
Shredz131
Correction: There have been many charges filed related to the Protests. Civil Disobedience and destruction are protesting.
3crowsBeast
They were caught, identified, the released. They will soon be charged with damaging federal property because that's what they were doing.
Nefel
afaik they all were released; they mostly just get scare tactics to confess to some vague crime but most protesters wont talk to cops
Nefel
so after figuring the person wont talk they release them
adamant
I saw a post on Insta claiming one guy was released. Have no way to verify though.
thiswontwork
As a non US citizen is there any actual evidence of abductions or is it all anecdotal?
feeltheice
There isn’t any evidence. DHS has arrested people in rented vehicles. Identified themselves to the person they arrested and that’s it
coffeetime
There's one video of one guy who was released 90 minutes later, and a bunch of 'stories'. The only true part is the rented unmarked vans.
RyanAndTheQuestForWorldDomination
Well. That really depends on how you define “anecdotal” cause there was a single incident that was recorded. But I have no context for the >
RyanAndTheQuestForWorldDomination
Event and on the same hand it’s not exactly possible to say it’s the only time it’s happened, cause we don’t know, just the only recorded.
KartFnocker
yes, the feds have confirmed it. Look for the "you’re probably talking about the van" part in this:
KartFnocker
https://lawandcrime.com/legal-analysis/two-dhs-officials-apparently-just-admitted-their-troops-have-been-violating-the-constitution/
BojackHorsemeat
Constitutional violations have been happening for a while. There was a lot of bitching about Bush, total silence with Obama.
BojackHorsemeat
We need consistency but I expect silence when Biden violates the constitution, and the right will whine about actually legal things only.
Quomp
There is 100% people being picked up off the street by agents blocking identification in unmarked vehicles.
VultureTX
Yet there are no missing persons from these incidents, they get charged or released. and no lawsuits from abducted's families either.
Quomp
Yes there is, it just isn't publicized in the propaganda machine. Talk to people involved in Portland and you'll get accounts.
VultureTX
nope I read Antifa's sites (IGD, People's Trib ,etc.) too, no abducted and unaccounted for so far. so you are repeating urban myths.
Quomp
Maybe because antifa isn't a gigantic organization orchestrating BLM but a collection of cells? People in Portland have different accounts.
alchemist12345
There ARE lawsuits by the state where said people are claimed as plaintiffs.
VultureTX
cite these missing person lawsuits, only state claim was dismissed by a Fed judge.
alchemist12345
The lawsuit isnt about abduction, its about illegal arrests: https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Rosenblum-Motion.pdf
eagle1111
But when one of these abductors is shot in the face they will still claim they clearly identified themselves.
VultureTX
not happening, the "abductions" are a shadowplay, and Antifa still has not figured it out. but feel free to msg me when you grok it.
Quomp
You don't hear it from the free mainstream media news outlets or the DHS website.
VultureTX
"WATCH OUT FOR PROPAGANDA, IT'S EVERYWHERE AND DESIGNED TO PIT LEFT VS RIGHT " - sigh every single time they project.
BobtheNinja
People were arrested by federal agents in unmarked vehicles. No one has gone missing, they've all been processed as any arrestee would.
alexatrf21
It’s what happens when you break numerous laws and the US Marshalls are allowed to arrest the alleged perpetrators.
alsoAzrael
How many of them were charged with a crime?
alexatrf21
Fourteen.
alsoAzrael
that's a new stat to me, got a link? Also, how many were detained?
TheDayTheBrainStoodStill
What were they arrested for?
BobtheNinja
Charges have included felony riot, resisting arrest, weapons charges, and arson.
Seigeengine
That's the problem. As far as we know nobody has gone missing. You can't be sure once the precedent has been set.
BobtheNinja
I'm confused what the problem is? People were arrested, charged, and bailed out. That's how the justice system works.
YourLordCthulhu
Consider how you'd respond if someone jumped out of a white van, grabbed you, and dragged you in. Your first thought would not be that >>
YourLordCthulhu
this is the police acting on a suspicion, it would be that you're being kidnapped. You don't get to know who's a trafficker and who's >>
MasterArmOn
The problem is they aren't immediately identifiable as federal agents. I do think it's been blown out of proportion, but the feds really /1
MasterArmOn
should have considered that they aren't easily identified by civilians and used marked vehicles instead of rental vans. IMO at least.
Seigeengine
The problem is unidentified thugs abducted people off the streets. It doesn't matter what happened after that point. That is already enough.
BloodGoddess
Has anyone considered how dangerous this is? Anyone could claim to be feds now and just take people. Easy pickings for sex traffickers now!
Quetzal4U
A homeless trans teen was recently snatched by feds. She could also be a target for kidnappers.
Quomp
Yep, I've seen that point floating around especially combined with recent allegations of high-level government involvement with traffickers.
BloodGoddess
Exactly! It's so fucked up..
kojenk
i think it will be a good idea to review the sharp increase in missing persons for this time period a few weeks or months down the line
BloodGoddess
Completely in agreement with you.
tooomanystevesgotbanned
So? You're Americans, just shoot them with all the guns you love?
jridley
Nah "overthrow a corrupt government" argument is bullshit used to justify gun fetishists. Besides they mostly laugh because it's libtards...
shidageki
There is the fact that they have to be in range of or tsrget some one who is carrying at the time.
shiyal
Honest answer; the state I love has has armed protestors all over the streets several times since the first of the year. Some of my friends/
shiyal
Were there. Well armed. There were no issues. Only one of my friends went to Portland. Unarmed. Our weapons are illegal there. As far as /
shiyal
I m in now our state (blue) hasn’t had any disappeareds yet. Our right to arms is less infringed upon here in guess.
Xjlxking
This will inevitably happen. They are now snatching people, but they will run into the guy that’s willing to kill them. Hell, I would shoot
Blud4BludGod
One of the scary things about this situation I haven't heard mentioned yet is that some criminals ALREADY impersonate police officers...
Blud4BludGod
...and the current state of things makes that a lot easier to do and in way more aggressive ways. 100% believe that somewhere in the...
Blud4BludGod
...country right now there are people doing that in order to abduct people for human trafficking, or other criminal pursuits.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
Many of the most well-armed people actually support this, because the government they love does it to people they hate. There's probably (1)
TheWombatStrikesAgain
a lesson somewhere in there. (2)
BloodGoddess
Many of us aren't fans of guns. Jussayin'.
Idontknowwhatimdoingdude
My daughter doesn't own a gun and just wants to believe she can make a change with her right to peacefully protest.What do I tell her to do?
tooomanystevesgotbanned
That was possible until Trump was elected.
BoneyBaby
Those guys ran and hid
goodluckeverybodyelse
Or understand what it means to take a life, while are preparing and hoping that we can have a peaceful transition of power. Instead of a war
Fastjack2056
It's a fight for public support, and the fascists own a lot of media. The first cop to get shot for this becomes a martyr for their cause.
Fastjack2056
They managed to turn half the US against civil liberties because of a few fires. A murder & they will declare open season on dissidents.
laserfork
This has been confusing to me, too. I thought this was the moment Americans have been preparing for via the lives of mass shooting victims.
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
I mean, that's why they have all these guns after all. So the powers-that-be will supposedly think twice about doing exactly this. Guess ...
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
they did think twice and came to the conclusion "fuck the people". There was something the NRA and its supporters were supposed to do at ...
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
this point with their collected guns. It's on the tip of my tongue.
jayman0123
peaceful protesters are typically unarmed. if you did, it would be attempted murder of a police officer. you would never be taken alive then
helmutk00hl
Aaaand that mindset is precisely why we'll never ever set another foot in this hot dogshit country usa
PercivilleParks
They’re just waiting it out in the college safe spaces. Can’t gettum there!
OnePostCloserToAHappierLIfe
Yes, but it's a "cold war" situation. If civvies use guns, he can use worse tactics. The US/world is still hoping voting will work.
OnePostCloserToAHappierLIfe
Which, again, is why he's trying to delay the election.
squeakypanda
This is what the second amendment is for tbh. But a lot of people don't want bloodshed. Modern America is afraid of certain things that
squeakypanda
don't fit into our image of America is perfect. We're better then third world countries that bloody strife in their countries. I'm not
squeakypanda
Exempt from the afraid thing. Nor do I believe America is the greatest. Nor do I believe violence is the answer to this but we're also
squeakypanda
getting pretty close to 30s Germany. There is a better way right now to fix things. I just hope it does happen in November.
PantLord
Nailed it mate.
aggressivelysouthern
The ones with the guns generally aren't the demographic being taken.
Danteet
Hey tbh that time is getting closer and closer. A lot of us are seeing where this election is going first.
SpacemaniaXu
Liberals generally don't own guns but... It may start to shift at this place
Quomp
They are Americans too & that will be the flare to start a civil war people want to avoid. Besides, the NRA are bootlickers without backbone
ActionJohnnie
Jackboot lickers
gurlsnuggler
They are contractors. They don’t have an identity. Cops get off on murder with less justification.
WardSharlow
All the NRA cares about is gun sales. That's it.
NomDeImguerre
That's what they're counting on. That you're fear of civil war will make you submit. There's no middle ground for fascists.
Welltron3030
The NRA are clowns. Don't let partisan politics stop you from defending yourself
skellington01
There’s like a 15% chance that a civil war is coming. Limits are being tested right now. Police is siding w/ Trump, who has a secret police
skellington01
and support from NRA people. And quite possibly China/Russia the minute he stops pretending(1% chance, too high). I hope this comment will
skellington01
sound as crazy and delusional come January as it would sound in 2016. But it’s safer to not ignore the signs.
Eltuen
Thankfully I think the military is on our side for the most part, so if it comes to that we should be safe from the worst.
Ogri
The only way to get rid of a war is to have it.
InTheDistanceAPlaintiveEnglishHorn
But why is a civil war so much worse than fascist kidnapping?
awkfaceawk
And here I was thinking the flare was gov’t officials behaving in a manner that causes people to shoot in self defense. How stupid of me.
LaoBeifong
Ah good ol bootlicker
ilhares
I don't want to avoid it. If that's the only way to fix things, burn those motherfuckers down in their unmarked vehicles.
Direblood
I had a one year membership (free gym bag) and I still get regular e-mails. As a gun toting resident of the Pacific Northwest... They crazy!
DomerPyle
I did too and they always sent letters asking for more money during that time
AThreeFootTallChocolateMooseWithFudgeEyes
Things improved over in the US with one Civil War. why not have another to finish what they started?
lanenwm
I'm not saying it's the only thing, but it's pretty easy to draw cause and effect from that war and after effects to where we are today.
Quomp
Because people don't want to fight and kill their family members who they're arguing with
AThreeFootTallChocolateMooseWithFudgeEyes
Sure, but doing nothing when tyranny is roaming the streets would be worse, since who's to say you won't have siblings as the NuGestapo?
Quomp
That's why people are protesting and rioting, because they don't want it to devolve. Federal militarization will force it to.
InTheDistanceAPlaintiveEnglishHorn
Wait I thought Americans like wars? What's all that "fought for your freedom" soldier bullshit about?
InTheDistanceAPlaintiveEnglishHorn
Now people have an chance to ACTUALLY fight for freedom, rather than for oil and capitalist interests!
HeretiCorpHasAnDFAcannon
Again why would Americans need guns for? I always hear the same crap about fighting against a corrupt Government. Now it's time to shine?
Swomuchfun
If Trump delays the election or fails to concede when he loses, I’ll be the first one to take up arms.
PropainAndPropainAccesories
I’d like to believe we are waiting for November.. if we arnt doing anything yet after that then I’m getting out ASAP.
tooomanystevesgotbanned
How are you going to get out? Only a couple of countries are allowing in Americans due to the pandemic.
PropainAndPropainAccesories
I’ll do a flip.
Quomp
You heard right-wing bigots arguing against reason. Those same bigots are now silent as their bigoted values are broadcasted by government.
Quomp
People don't want the escalation, but they need to maintain their arms to prevent these federal troops from further overstepping.
EmbedAndBreakfast
I support the 2nd amendment but the idea that a bunch of undisciplined gun enthusiasts could end up being anything more than grease stains
HeretiCorpHasAnDFAcannon
Don't want escalation? It's already escalated. Stop being passive & take action, have a little self-respect.
tequilamockingbirb
So when is it "overstepping"?
antleroid
i hate to say it, but secret police abducting free citizens might be the flare. violence begets violence. i hope not, but this is 'Merica.
antleroid
i see this is unpopular. i don't advocate for violence ever, but there remains a question of when it is necessary or justifiable.
OrangeAvenger6
I’m not religious but amen
Muffyns
i think a civil war would be a good thing, push the nazis and racist out of your country. get a REAL president not a fucking cheeto in chief
MarcusRiedner
News Flash: America is already in a civil war.
Quomp
No it's not, it's in a heated protest cycle that can easily devolve into a civil war.
PicassoCT
Just like in syria.
3P3references
You... Haven't actually seen a civil war in action. And by God you do not want to.
MarcusRiedner
I have spoken and worked with Syrian and Eritrean refugees, and refugees from the Bosnia conflict. The US is early stage civil war.
3P3references
MarcusRiedner
What else would you call the racial inequality, the paramilitary police attacking citizenry, and the military kidnapping people?
lordbunbun
Any evidence of racial inequality? Federal officers were protecting assets, liberals say it was just for Lincoln to protect Ft Sumter.
MarcusRiedner
It's a civil war between the authoritarian government and their supporters and everyone else
RedIronCrown
Civil war would have both sides militarized and fighting conventional battles against each other. What's going on is bad but it's not war.
hardytardigrade
The people stockpiling guns to defend against government tyranny are apparently in favor of this government tyranny. Makes you wonder if
hardytardigrade
tyranny was really the issue for them rather than who is suffering under it. The last time they took up arms vs govt was in favor of slavery
DiscountCatSoMyCatTaxIsLower
Don't worry, the "protestors" have been doing that
FieldDay
Hahahahahahahaha as an American, none of these fat, lazy, complacent, ignorant fucks are gonna do a damn thing.
glassware
The Americans who love guns are fascists. They approve of minorities and protestors being abducted off the streets. The rest of us hate guns
OhNoDontTouch
We don't hate guns. At least I don't.. though I do hate the way "gun culture" has manifested itself in the USA. Guns are just another tool.
EranL
The gun love was just marketing for gun companies. The idea isn't to use them, it's to feel big and strong. Gun nuts are the biggest cowards
scottbTerror
Wrong. My guns are to hunt and to protect my family during these times its better to have it and not need it then need it an not have it.
MoreAshyThanLarry
Incorrect, your gun is far more likely to be used against yourself or a family member than a bad guy.
somerandomusernamebecauseididntlikemyoldone
There are at least some gun nuts who never want to use them on people but just enjoy target shooting/collecting
DomerPyle
Yeah but the people calling them cowards are afraid to even be in a room with a gun. Ironic, isn't it?
thechocmaster
A reminder that many responsible gun owners don’t drive lifted pick ups and failed high school
Taarguus
Nice of you to assume I can afford a gun
tooomanystevesgotbanned
Fair point.
CakeShapedPie
Rifles can be had for even less. A ww2 surplus gun in working but sporterized condition is probably still under $150
DomerPyle
You can get a reliable shotgun for less than $300 and same with pistols
experiencemike
Highpoint, not a great pistol but it'll shoot. 200 bucks
experiencemike
On the street, maybe 70 bucks
StrangePaegan
Nice of you to assume we have an extra $200 (or $70). I mean, I guess I can go without food or my meds.
experiencemike
Looks like you can't get protection then I don't know that's not my problem? I was just saying there's cheap options. Like damn chill...
LupusLilium
Pointing out that HiPoints exist for ~2-300 is actually important, because many 'starter/low end' varieties from companies go for 5-800.
LeSethX
Generally speaking, the ones who have guns are the ones who vote Trump and those of us resisting dont have guns.
ediddy631
That’s a generalization, I have several guns and did not vote trump. Fuck that guy and his administration. I do not want to ever have to use
LeSethX
I am speaking as a very broad generalization. I know some liberal gun owners and conservatives who dont have guns.
LeSethX
However, looking at the Big Picture politics who who tends to own guns and vote conservative, those are more likely
ediddy631
any of my guns on fellow Americans. Others above have said, there are plenty of gun owners that are not boot licking cum rags.
TheAsterite
If you really cared about america, you'd give up your guns.
ediddy631
Yea what’s your argument there? I am generally curious as to why you have that opinion.
Welltron3030
As an American, i think thats excactly what people should do, but for some reason, self defense is a partisan issue. Divide and conquer
Justaguyfromaplace
As an American, we shouldn't be having to defend ourselves from the government.
Welltron3030
A-fucking-men
Welltron3030
However, that is literally the exact reason for the existence of the second amendment. People are foolish to vote away the bill of rights
Welltron3030
But its not really people, so much as it is shady congresspersons. The 4th and 6th amendment are effectively null and void thanks to 1/2
mycatToastwasafatasshole
The NRA has been COMPLETELY silent throughout all of this. I mean, tyrannical governments was their entire argument for existing.
tooomanystevesgotbanned
That's how I understand it.
purdhapley
FYI. Not all Americans are gun nuts.
WardSharlow
At this point in time, owning a gun doesn't make you a nut any more than owning a first aid kit or a spare tire.
riduckulous
While we have the most gun ownership, it's still only like a third of americans
Kohler2
A third is still an extremely huge percentage for gun ownership.........
tooomanystevesgotbanned
You point is correct, but irrelevant.
tooomanystevesgotbanned
It's probably true that "Not all Americans" are any one thing; gun-nuts, Christ-nuts, racist, etc. But enough are that there is a problem.
purdhapley
Well how are us Americans without fins supposed to rise up? Maybe we should have more guns.
SecretlyASiberianHusky
The irony is the people being abducted (the left) want guns banned. So they kinda set themselves up for it.
preparationh67
Leftist own guns moron, that's the libs
Phatman113
No
HaveGinWillBabble
That is false.
ImNewandDontKnowWhatToDo
the irony is people on the right so quickly accepting fascism .
hardytardigrade
No, few on the left literally want to ban guns. And even if they did, that does not justify anything that guns would be needed for.
BlueLanternBraxx
That's what I said! Isn't this the kind of chance you guys jerk off over? Actually using 2nd amendment for its intended purpose?
BlueberryQuickjet
The gun nuts ide today with the federal agents / kidnappers and would most like to use the guns against the protestors if they could
UglyHorribleGrouchyOldMan
The overwhelming bulk of weapons and Pro2A supporters are on the right side of the political spectrum.
KeyHollo
No. They defend the right to own a gun. Y’all want people shot, y’all huh your own guns and ammo
Blud4BludGod
They defended the right to own a gun specifically because it is necessary for citizens to be able to push back against a tyrannical...
Blud4BludGod
...government that oversteps its authority, so the criticism is pretty valid. I don't expect y'all paste eating, cousin fucking morons...
Blud4BludGod
...to actually do anything because you've been obviously disingenuous/all talk from the beginning, but it's valid criticism.
KeyHollo
I’m a black centrist in a metro area you cunt. And I’ll do my part when it gets to my city. Do your work in yours.
lordbunbun
Ya don't feel like sacrificing yourself for people that call you a racist gun-nut?
KeyHollo
Especially because I’m black